---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/30/08: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - Re: Plastic strip (Kelly McMullen) 2. 06:16 AM - Re: subpanel pics (Jesse Saint) 3. 07:08 AM - Re: subpanel pics (Rene) 4. 07:42 AM - MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go (Dsyvert@AOL.COM) 5. 08:25 AM - Re: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go (Rene Felker) 6. 08:54 AM - Re: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go (DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com) 7. 12:14 PM - RV-10 Project For Sale (Eric Parlow) 8. 12:37 PM - Re: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go (Jesse Saint) 9. 12:47 PM - Re: Plastic strip (David McNeill) 10. 01:25 PM - NEED TO RENT (Rick Sked) 11. 01:54 PM - Re: NEED TO RENT (linn Walters) 12. 02:03 PM - Chelton display (David McNeill) 13. 02:50 PM - Re: Chelton display (Tim Olson) 14. 04:24 PM - Re: NEED TO RENT (Larry Rosen) 15. 04:43 PM - Re: NEED TO RENT (egohr1) 16. 05:21 PM - Re: RV-10 Project For Sale (Lew Gallagher) 17. 05:58 PM - Rivetting Bottom Skins (bruce breckenridge) 18. 06:02 PM - Re: NEED TO RENT (Rick Sked) 19. 06:17 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Rick Sked) 20. 06:45 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Jesse Saint) 21. 07:34 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Dave Leikam) 22. 07:52 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Marcus Cooper) 23. 08:04 PM - Filtered Airbox (McGANN, Ron) 24. 08:14 PM - Sun-n-Fun (Marcus Cooper) 25. 08:16 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (bruce breckenridge) 26. 08:26 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Tim Olson) 27. 08:38 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Fred Williams, M.D.) 28. 08:43 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (linn Walters) 29. 08:43 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Rene) 30. 09:00 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Rene) 31. 09:50 PM - Re: NEED TO RENT (Jeff Carpenter) 32. 09:57 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Jeff Carpenter) 33. 10:24 PM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Jesse Saint) 34. 11:03 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (Bill DeRouchey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:12 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Plastic strip alligator strip. IIRC Spruce has it. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Dave Leikam wrote: > > > I am looking for a plastic strip product I have seen to prevent chaffing on > wires or tubing passing through large lightening holes. The product lines > the sharp edge of the lighting hole. Can anyone direct me to a source of > this product and what it is called? Thanks. > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:55 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: subpanel pics Rob, Your panel layout will be the first starting point for the subpanel layout. What do you have in your panel and how it is organized? Contact me off-list and I would be happy to dialog a little bit on this. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 29, 2008, at 10:47 PM, Robert Wright wrote: > Trying to get ideas on how the rear on my panel/subpanel area should > or could look. Please share any pics you may have so that I can get > my brain in gear on what it will eventually look like back there! > > Thanks, > > Rob Wright > #392 > Canopy with smoothprime and Doors ! > > ">No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal > for Yahoo! users and friends. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:43 AM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: subpanel pics Rob, here is how I did it.. First, Stein built my panel and he used his alternate, 3 section one. (picture attached) I did not rivet the forward section onto the fuselage and thus was able to mount the panel in the forward section on the work bench. From there I decided what had to be cut out and where to place everything. It was easy to mark locations and do the cutouts and then test fit...many times. I attached everything on the sub-panel with screws and nutplates so that it would be easier to install in the airplane. I also installed a shelf, using nut plates, between the sub-panel and the firewall to hold the AHRS and in the end I mounted on more item to the bottom (dimmers). I found it hard to fit everything in a convenient place and thus had to make another shelf type extension for the relays, terminal board and manifold pressure sender. In the end it is not to much of a maintenance nightmare, I had to test that theory twice so far. Test number three is coming up next week.....going to change some wiring in the GRT and 430. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: RV10-List: subpanel pics Trying to get ideas on how the rear on my panel/subpanel area should or could look. Please share any pics you may have so that I can get my brain in gear on what it will eventually look like back there! Thanks, Rob Wright #392 Canopy with smoothprime and Doors ! ">No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:13 AM PST US From: Dsyvert@AOL.COM Subject: RV10-List: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go To All: ON page 28-16 it shows building the Mid Seat Rail Supports - F-1057, then it says putting them off to the side until after the gear legs are installed. Can some one tell me on what page they are installed? I can not seem to find it. Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:26 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go I don't ever remember finding it. But when you go to put the seats in..you will need them installed. I did not put them in until final assembly. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dsyvert@AOL.COM Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 8:37 AM Subject: RV10-List: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go To All: ON page 28-16 it shows building the Mid Seat Rail Supports - F-1057, then it says putting them off to the side until after the gear legs are installed. Can some one tell me on what page they are installed? I can not seem to find it. Thanks Dave Syvertson 40625 _____ Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:52 AM PST US From: DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go DAVE AS RENE STATED THEY ARE INSTALLED AT FINAL., DIRECTIONS STATE LATER ON TO FINAL DRILL LANDING GEAR BOLTS FIRST THEN INSTALL MID SUPPORTS ON TOP OF LANNING GEAR SUPPORTS. MY QUESTION TO ALL IS WHAT HARDWARE BOLTS/NUTS DO YOU USE TO ATTACH MID SUPPORTS TO THEIR FINAL POSITION? DAVE LIUDVINAITIS, NJ #40466 **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:42 PM PST US From: Eric Parlow Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Project For Sale RV-10 project for sale.Asking $120k. To finish it needs: engine, prop, inte rior, paint, ~1000 hours labor. A few photos attached. ERic--(828) 777-7976 Williamsport, PA panel4 (Medium).jpg Transfer 12-25-06 192 (Medium).jpg Transfer 1-30-07 048 (Small).jpg Transfer 2-5-07 033 (Small).jpg Transfe r 2-5-07 034 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 120 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-0 8 121 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 131 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 134 ( Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 138 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 146 (Small). jpg Transfer 3-27-08 150 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 170 (Small).jpg Tr ansfer 3-27-08 194 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 207 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 213 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 214 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 217 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 221 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 223 (S mall).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 224 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 226 (Small).j pg Transfer 3-27-08 228 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 229 (Small).jpg Tra nsfer 3-27-08 230 (Small).jpg Transfer 3-27-08 231 (Small).jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:38 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: MId Seat Rail Supports - Where do they go As was mentioned, I would wait until EVERYTHING is done with all wiring for your stick grips at least before putting them on. You can put them on before your inspection because there is an inspection panel there, but I would leave it off until the very end. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 30, 2008, at 9:36 AM, Dsyvert@aol.com wrote: > To All: > > ON page 28-16 it shows building the Mid Seat Rail Supports - > F-1057, then it says putting them off to the side until after the > gear legs are installed. Can some one tell me on what page they are > installed? I can not seem to find it. > > Thanks > Dave Syvertson > 40625 > > > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:40 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plastic strip Spiral wrap nylon is good ; comes in spindles from McMaster Carr _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Plastic strip http://www.bonaero.com/Electrical.htm#MS21266 Is this what you are looking for? Vans sells it as MS21266-1n...12" lengths. I used about 4 or five of them. Used E6000 to hold it in place where needed. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: RV10-List: Plastic strip I am looking for a plastic strip product I have seen to prevent chaffing on wires or tubing passing through large lightening holes. The product lines the sharp edge of the lighting hole. Can anyone direct me to a source of this product and what it is called? Thanks. Dave Leikam 40496 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:20 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT Looking to rent small, mechanically inclined, child to hook up parking brak e cable an tie off final electrical cables, mainly antennas from center con sole mounted radio stack to main panel. Willing to train only in aircraft m aintenance/assembly. No Potty training. Instructor not qualified to give in struction on dealing/juggling with multiple female relationships. Great ben efit package to include, roller coaster rides at NY NY, Buffalo Bills, Stra tosphere and Sahara Casino's, endless bowl of Mac & Cheese, unlimited Hot d ogs or other foods not allowed controlling mothers/women in general. No hea lth care, friends kids always seems to coming down with "something" then gi ve it to me. Small men (Jockey size parameters are a good start) may also a pply in exchange for more suitable benefits to include adult libations and grilled Porterhouse steaks. Serious inquires only. Sorry had to post this, just finished contorting myself out from under that panel for the umpteenth time and only have those few items left to do. Wish there was a tip up ver sion of the RV-10. =C2- Rick Sked 40185 After finishing the wiring,panel, pitot/static and O2, fiberglass don't seem that bad! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:54:52 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT Rick ..... you should have made your panel completely removeable!!!! Mine surely will be. Linn ..... fuse controls Rick Sked wrote: >Looking to rent small, mechanically inclined, child to hook up parking brake cable an tie off final electrical cables, mainly antennas from center console mounted radio stack to main panel. > >Willing to train only in aircraft maintenance/assembly. No Potty training. Instructor not qualified to give instruction on dealing/juggling with multiple female relationships. > >Great benefit package to include, roller coaster rides at NY NY, Buffalo Bills, Stratosphere and Sahara Casino's, endless bowl of Mac & Cheese, unlimited Hot dogs or other foods not allowed > >controlling mothers/women in general. No health care, friends kids always seems to coming down with "something" then give it to me. Small men (Jockey size parameters are a good start) > >may also apply in exchange for more suitable benefits to include adult libations and grilled Porterhouse steaks. > >Serious inquires only. Sorry had to post this, just finished contorting myself out from under that panel for the umpteenth time and only have those few items left to do. > >Wish there was a tip up version of the RV-10. > > > >Rick Sked > >40185 > >After finishing the wiring,panel, pitot/static and O2, fiberglass don't seem that bad! > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:03:27 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Chelton display I started the new IO540 this AM; I have the output of an EIS6000 going serially to the Cheltons and a Grand Rapids Sport. The Sport was logging the data. The engine ran fine after switching a couple of wires on the SLICKSTART. The data as displayed on the computer shows normal EGTs for idle of abut 900F. The Chelton engine display, however shows negative numbers in the 2 digits while operating and negative low three digits when shutdown. Any ideas? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:47 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Chelton display You have some scale factor/offset/field setup to do on the EIS to provide the values at the right scale. Also, make sure your GRT actually has the Chelton version of software running on it. GRT makes more than one software rev for various integrations...you want the Chelton version. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive David McNeill wrote: > I started the new IO540 this AM; I have the output of an EIS6000 going > serially to the Cheltons and a Grand Rapids Sport. The Sport was logging > the data. The engine ran fine after switching a couple of wires on the > SLICKSTART. The data as displayed on the computer shows normal EGTs for > idle of abut 900F. The Chelton engine display, however shows negative > numbers in the 2 digits while operating and negative low three digits > when shutdown. Any ideas? > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:30 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT Rick, You know my son Zach. He is well qualified and trained to work in the tail cone. Can buck rivets, small arms that reach into lightning holes. He has yet to work under the panel, but he is up for the challenge. A round trip ticket from Philadelphia to Vegas and Zach is there. Too bad you just missed spring break. I send my 16 year old daughter, but she is not that interested in aircraft maintenance/assembly. Larry do not archive Rick Sked wrote: > *Looking to rent small, mechanically inclined, child to hook up parking brake cable an tie off final electrical cables, mainly antennas from center console mounted radio stack to main panel. * > *Willing to train **only in aircraft maintenance/assembly. No Potty training. Instructor not qualified to give instruction on dealing/juggling with multiple female relationships.* > *Great benefit package to include, roller coaster rides at NY NY, Buffalo Bills, Stratosphere and Sahara Casino's, endless bowl of Mac & Cheese, unlimited Hot dogs or other foods not allowed* > *controlling mothers/women in general. No health care, friends kids always seems to coming down with "something" then give it to me. Small men (Jockey size parameters are a good start)* > *may also apply in exchange for more suitable benefits to include adult libations and grilled Porterhouse steaks. * > *Serious inquires only. **Sorry had to post this, just finished contorting myself out from under that panel for the umpteenth time and only have those few items left to do. * > *Wish there was a tip up version of the RV-10.* > > *Rick Sked* > *40185* > *After finishing the wiring,panel, pitot/static and O2, fiberglass don't seem that bad! > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:43:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: NEED TO RENT From: "egohr1" I have a 4 year old. Already experienced under the panel area. Good with a socket wrench,( this how I did my motor mount bolts). Knows how to feed wire and reach into small spaces after dropped parts. We live in Oklahoma City but visit the Buffalo area twice a year. Fee is negotiable, RV rides accepted. "Finishing" kit -------- eric gohr EGOHR86@alumni.carnegiemellon.edu Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173763#173763 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:21:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 Project For Sale From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Eric, Can you post the pictures as jpg's without going through the hotmail viewer? I'm currently helping a friend build his -10 and we're making good progress. Much farther down the line will be me building mine -- I've already picked up the tail kit and will eventually need everything else. I'm probably not the customer for you (I'm looking for those who may have bought the standard build fuse & wings, then decide to go quick build) but I'm curious to see what you have. Joe Arnold (RV10-List: RV-10 kit for sale) is also in PA ... Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173772#173772 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:37 PM PST US From: "bruce breckenridge" Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:54 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT Thanks Larry!! Yes, Zach would work perfectly, but with a little more back bending effort I managed to get them done today....Looks like we will pass in the night at Sun n Fun too...leaving the day you get there. Rick do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Rosen" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 4:22:41 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT Rick, You know my son Zach. He is well qualified and trained to work in the tail cone. Can buck rivets, small arms that reach into lightning holes. He has yet to work under the panel, but he is up for the challenge. A round trip ticket from Philadelphia to Vegas and Zach is there. Too bad you just missed spring break. I send my 16 year old daughter, but she is not that interested in aircraft maintenance/assembly. Larry do not archive Rick Sked wrote: > *Looking to rent small, mechanically inclined, child to hook up parking brake cable an tie off final electrical cables, mainly antennas from center console mounted radio stack to main panel. * > *Willing to train **only in aircraft maintenance/assembly. No Potty training. Instructor not qualified to give instruction on dealing/juggling with multiple female relationships.* > *Great benefit package to include, roller coaster rides at NY NY, Buffalo Bills, Stratosphere and Sahara Casino's, endless bowl of Mac & Cheese, unlimited Hot dogs or other foods not allowed* > *controlling mothers/women in general. No health care, friends kids always seems to coming down with "something" then give it to me. Small men (Jockey size parameters are a good start)* > *may also apply in exchange for more suitable benefits to include adult libations and grilled Porterhouse steaks. * > *Serious inquires only. **Sorry had to post this, just finished contorting myself out from under that panel for the umpteenth time and only have those few items left to do. * > *Wish there was a tip up version of the RV-10.* > > *Rick Sked* > *40185* > *After finishing the wiring,panel, pitot/static and O2, fiberglass don't seem that bad! > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:42 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Left them in the cradle. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce breckenridge" Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:54:49 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:33 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins On the table. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 30, 2008, at 7:54 PM, bruce breckenridge wrote: > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of > the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as > the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > Bruce > 40018 Wings > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:12 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins I kept them in the cradles. Deems has some good photos on his site of the process using wire to hold the skins back while riveting. I found this method to work well. Dave Leikam 40496 attaching tailcone ----- Original Message ----- From: bruce breckenridge To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:10 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Cradle - looks like 2:1 so far J Marcus From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:07 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Filtered Airbox From: "McGANN, Ron" G'day all, Just finishing off the FAB. The VA122 arm used to open/close the alternate air door appears to have been bent to the wrong angle. Anyone else experience this? Cheers, Ron "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:56 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun I'm hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not 'routinely' accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous experience found that to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day to start accepting airplanes considering how many show up. Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their airplane? Seems like this may have been hashed out already so sorry if it's a repeat question. Thanks, Marcus ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:04 PM PST US From: "bruce breckenridge" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Yeah, I'm hoping "cradle" wins. My concern is that there's just the slightest sag at the center that pulls together when it's cleco'd. I may just use a ton of clecos and then support the leading edge better before taking the clecos out. Go cradle! Bruce On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Marcus Cooper wrote: > Cradle ' looks like 2:1 so far J > > > Marcus > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *bruce breckenridge > *Sent:* Sunday, March 30, 2008 7:55 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins > > > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the > wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans > say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > > Bruce > > 40018 Wings > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:12 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Flat on the table. Just thought maybe Van's had a good reason, like the way the wing would be stressed during riveting. Probably not, but it did work well for me. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive bruce breckenridge wrote: > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the > wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the > plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > Bruce > 40018 Wings > > * ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:57 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Table 2:2 Fred Williams bruce breckenridge wrote: > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the > wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the > plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > Bruce > 40018 Wings > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG. > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:44 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Marcus Cooper wrote: > I'm hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the > show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not > 'routinely' accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous > experience found that to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day > to start accepting airplanes considering how many show up. > The airshow goes to 5:00 and they need to get the departures out ...... before the arrivals ...... is my guess. > Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and > camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their > airplane? Seems like this may have been hashed out already so sorry > if it's a repeat question. > I can't help there. I live in a camper the whole week ..... and it's already onsite. By the way, there are quite a few changes to the site .... go to http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/ and peruse the web site for a lot of info. I was at the volunteer meeting yesterday, and they've already got about 1/2 of the tents up. Last year they were still getting stuff up on opening day!!! Linn do not archive > > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:52 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins On the table. Worked great. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:13 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins PS...I had help on about 70% for each wing, did the rest solo... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins On the table. Worked great. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:42 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: NEED TO RENT ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:47 PM PST US From: Jeff Carpenter Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins In the cradle, by myself. Jeff Carpenter 40304 Fuse Side Skins On Mar 30, 2008, at 5:54 PM, bruce breckenridge wrote: > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of > the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as > the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > Bruce > 40018 Wings > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:24:27 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Well, it looks like it's about a tie. Do it however you feel best between the two methods. With the leading edge on and the fuel tank installed I don't think it would sag, but you never know until you try it. Some have done a lot of it themselves, but this is a job, IMHO, for a helper. It can go quickly (about 3-4 hours per wing) with a helper. Just make sure, either way you do it, to pad your bucking bar(s) nicely so when (not if) you drop it, it won't damage the wing. Speaking of which, in case I haven't mentioned it before, the Tungsten bucking bar from Stein is fantastic! Thanks Stein. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Mar 30, 2008, at 7:54 PM, bruce breckenridge wrote: > For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of > the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as > the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? > > Bruce > 40018 Wings > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:38 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Its true. Last year I staged and fueled at X35 for arrival at 1815 and it worked well. There was a group in a holding pattern around the lake that they let land beginning at 6:00. When I arrived 15 minutes later I was all alone and it was easy. Listen to the power plant frequency soon after leaving X35 to prepare yourself for the traffic (if any). The challenge is to land at this late hour, park, and get your rental car before they close. Have fun, Bill DeRouchey N939SB linn Walters wrote: Marcus Cooper wrote: Im hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not routinely accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous experience found that to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day to start accepting airplanes considering how many show up. The airshow goes to 5:00 and they need to get the departures out ...... before the arrivals ...... is my guess. Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their airplane? Seems like this may have been hashed out already so sorry if its a repeat question. I can't help there. I live in a camper the whole week ..... and it's already onsite. By the way, there are quite a few changes to the site .... go to http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/ and peruse the web site for a lot of info. I was at the volunteer meeting yesterday, and they've already got about 1/2 of the tents up. Last year they were still getting stuff up on opening day!!! 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