---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/31/08: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:11 AM - Flexible Fuel Lines (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 2. 03:24 AM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Bob Leffler) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (gary) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Fred Williams, M.D.) 5. 05:47 AM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (orchidman) 6. 06:36 AM - HS Attachment Bars (Kent Ogden) 7. 07:07 AM - Re: HS Attachment Bars (johngoodman) 8. 07:27 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 9. 07:46 AM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (linn Walters) 10. 07:46 AM - Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins (Ben Westfall) 11. 08:18 AM - Re: HS Attachment Bars (Kent Ogden) 12. 08:22 AM - Re: HS Attachment Bars (Kent Ogden) 13. 09:43 AM - Cost effective parking brake solution (Matco) ($170) (AirMike) 14. 12:20 PM - couldn't hurt (dogsbark@comcast.net) 15. 12:53 PM - Re: couldn't hurt (gary) 16. 01:07 PM - Service Ceiling (Rene Felker) 17. 01:23 PM - N789AB FLIES (Barry Marz) 18. 01:36 PM - Re: Service Ceiling (John W. Cox) 19. 01:42 PM - Re: N789AB FLIES (Rene Felker) 20. 01:50 PM - Re: N789AB FLIES (Tim Olson) 21. 01:59 PM - Re: Service Ceiling (Rene Felker) 22. 04:18 PM - Re: Service Ceiling (Kelly McMullen) 23. 04:20 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (Marcus Cooper) 24. 04:52 PM - Re: N789AB FLIES (Deems Davis) 25. 05:59 PM - Primer overhead console and cabin interior (jayb) 26. 08:04 PM - Re: Primer overhead console and cabin interior (AirMike) 27. 08:09 PM - Re: N789AB FLIES (AirMike) 28. 08:18 PM - Re: Service Ceiling (Rene) 29. 08:19 PM - Re: Primer overhead console and cabin interior (Tim Olson) 30. 08:21 PM - Re: Flexible Fuel Lines (GenGrumpy@aol.com) 31. 08:24 PM - Re: Primer overhead console and cabin interior (David McNeill) 32. 08:26 PM - Re: Primer overhead console and cabin interior (Fred Williams, M.D.) 33. 09:15 PM - Re: Flexible Fuel Lines (Rene) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:45 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Flexible Fuel Lines From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" I want to run flexible fuel lines from just outside the fuselage to make the wing root connection. Has anyone else done similar? Length of line used? Source? Thanks, TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:09 AM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins I can't offer an opinion on this one quite yet, since I'll just be putting on the top skins in the next week or so. I just had the local EAA chapter over to visit my project. One of the questions I was asked was why the RV-10 didn't require the use of a wing jig. Anyone know the answer? It appears to for the other RV models, building a wing jig and getting everything straight was one of their more frustrating tasks. The 3 or 4 builders that had completed both RV-7s and RV-8s were surprised that the instructions to build the RV-10 wing were just to clamp to the work bench. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:03 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins No Jig is needed and the wing is dead on because of the prepunch holes. Gary 40274 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 6:18 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins I can't offer an opinion on this one quite yet, since I'll just be putting on the top skins in the next week or so. I just had the local EAA chapter over to visit my project. One of the questions I was asked was why the RV-10 didn't require the use of a wing jig. Anyone know the answer? It appears to for the other RV models, building a wing jig and getting everything straight was one of their more frustrating tasks. The 3 or 4 builders that had completed both RV-7s and RV-8s were surprised that the instructions to build the RV-10 wing were just to clamp to the work bench. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:03 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Bob: We don't need a jig because of the matched holes and the accuracy of placement on the parts. When they all line up, the wing is straight. Probably _better_ than any jig we could build at home. Fred Williams Bob Leffler wrote: > > I cant offer an opinion on this one quite yet, since Ill just be > putting on the top skins in the next week or so. > > I just had the local EAA chapter over to visit my project. One of the > questions I was asked was why the RV-10 didnt require the use of a > wing jig. Anyone know the answer? > > It appears to for the other RV models, building a wing jig and getting > everything straight was one of their more frustrating tasks. The 3 or > 4 builders that had completed both RV-7s and RV-8s were surprised that > the instructions to build the RV-10 wing were just to clamp to the > work bench. > > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG. > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivetting Bottom Skins From: "orchidman" Cradle here. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173849#173849 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:51 AM PST US From: "Kent Ogden" Subject: RV10-List: HS Attachment Bars All, I just started my tailcone, and when I went to drill the HS-1011C horizontal stabilizer attachment bars, I found that the pre-punched holes were conical in shape. That is, one side of the hole is a bit larger than the other, larger than the #30 bit used to match drill. I understand that this is probably the result of punching a hole through such a thick piece, but it seems like this would leave a lot of slop for the rivet. Just wanted to check whether others noticed this as well? Should the larger side of the hole be put against the bulkhead? Kent Ogden #40710 (real) slow build ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:18 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: HS Attachment Bars From: "johngoodman" Are you talking about the F 1011C on page 10-3? If the hole is too big you might want to contact Vans for a replacement. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173867#173867 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:27:23 AM PST US From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Last year when I fly down, we landed at Bartow (KBOW) because w e arrived when the show was still on. We killed time on the ground there u ntil the Show was over than we refueled (Cheapest gas around here as well) and headed back into he air. Like others have said, it took about 30 minut es for the departures to finish before they would let arrivals begin, which was around 30 minutes after the show. It was a nice tour flying in and ar ound Lakeland while listen to the radio for when they were going to start a ccepting arrivals. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) 370 Hrs on the Hobbs after a 15.8 Hr, 2273nm trip from Gardner, KS to Dalla s, TX to Lakeland, FL and back to Kansas. ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Marcus Cooper wrote: I'm hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not 'routinely' accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous experience found tha t to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day to start accepting airplan es considering how many show up. The airshow goes to 5:00 and they need to get the departures out ...... bef ore the arrivals ...... is my guess. Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their airplane? Seems l ike this may have been hashed out already so sorry if it's a repeat questio n. I can't help there. I live in a camper the whole week ..... and it's alrea dy onsite. By the way, there are quite a few changes to the site .... go to http://www .sun-n-fun.org/content/ and peruse the web site for a lot of info. I was a t the volunteer meeting yesterday, and they've already got about 1/2 of the tents up. Last year they were still getting stuff up on opening day!!! Linn do not archive Thanks, Marcus ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:53 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun And Bartow has a restuarant now!!! Linn do not archive Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > Last year when I fly down, we landed at Bartow (KBOW) > because we arrived when the show was still on. We killed time on the > ground there until the Show was over than we refueled (Cheapest gas > around here as well) and headed back into he air. Like others have > said, it took about 30 minutes for the departures to finish before > they would let arrivals begin, which was around 30 minutes after the > show. It was a nice tour flying in and around Lakeland while listen > to the radio for when they were going to start accepting arrivals. > > > > Thank You > Ray Doerr > N519RV (40250) > > 370 Hrs on the Hobbs after a 15.8 Hr, 2273nm trip from Gardner, KS to > Dallas, TX to Lakeland, FL and back to Kansas. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:42 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun > > > > Marcus Cooper wrote: > > I'm hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the > show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not > 'routinely' accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous > experience found that to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day > to start accepting airplanes considering how many show up. > > The airshow goes to 5:00 and they need to get the departures out > ...... before the arrivals ...... is my guess. > > Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and > camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their > airplane? Seems like this may have been hashed out already so sorry > if it's a repeat question. > > I can't help there. I live in a camper the whole week ..... and it's > already onsite. > > By the way, there are quite a few changes to the site .... go to > http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/ and peruse the web site for a lot of > info. I was at the volunteer meeting yesterday, and they've already > got about 1/2 of the tents up. Last year they were still getting > stuff up on opening day!!! > Linn > do not archive > > > > Thanks, > > Marcus > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:46:53 AM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins Bruce, My wife and I did them on the table. The first one took forever but the second one we did in about half a Saturday. We attribute the difference in speed to getting a tungsten bucking bar. You can borrow mine if you want. I will gladly come help you out with a few days advanced warning. I also have a couple different sets that work great around the flap attach brackets. Some things to think about. 1) Have you planned your pitot location and tubing and wiring and if you use the gretz where you are going to mount the circuit board? 2) Have you run conduit for wiring up lights? 3) Have you run tubing for the AOA ports (if your using AFS's AOA)? 4) Have you built your control rod tubing yet and fit it? Ben Westfall #40579 PDX _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bruce breckenridge Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rivetting Bottom Skins For those that have completed the rivetting of the bottom skins of the wings, did you leave the wings in the cradle? or, did you do as the plans say (page 20-5, step 2) and lay them on the table? Bruce 40018 Wings ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:58 AM PST US From: "Kent Ogden" Subject: RV10-List: Re: HS Attachment Bars Yes, these parts first appear on page 10-3. These are the heavy tapered bars that will attach the HS to the tailcone. This would be a bad place for failure to occur. I will give Vans a call to see what they say. Kent >>> "johngoodman" 3/31/2008 10:04 AM >>> Are you talking about the F 1011C on page 10-3? If the hole is too big you might want to contact Vans for a replacement. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173867#173867 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:03 AM PST US From: "Kent Ogden" Subject: RV10-List: Re: HS Attachment Bars Just talked to Vans, they said it's normal and the shank of the rivet will expand to fill the hole. Kent >>> "johngoodman" 3/31/2008 10:04 AM >>> Are you talking about the F 1011C on page 10-3? If the hole is too big you might want to contact Vans for a replacement. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173867#173867 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:12 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Cost effective parking brake solution (Matco) ($170) From: "AirMike" I just finished the install of my Matco parking brake. Went really well. At least I will see when I hot up the brake system 1. I used an unused bracket (F1048F) from my QB kit - riveted 2. Matco brake from Matco (also from Vans) $115-120 with shipping 3. A few plumbing fittings modified from Spruce ($15-20) 4. A CT-A740 Cable from Vans ($25) 5. One #2 cushion clamp (in FWF/Electrical kit) 6. One Bowden cable end fitting (Vans $6.00) Ran the cable to the F-1002-L frame and terminated it there. I figure that down low at your ankles - it is out of the way (recessed) -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Doors/windows/fiberglass stuff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=173908#173908 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:24 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: couldn't hurt .....I think the message on the balloon pulled me through! So far, so good. http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/images/157146848447f06f37d3b0e.jpg Whew! Sean Blair N967SB (reserved) http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/ do not archive
 
.....I think the message on the balloon pulled me through!  So far, so good.
 
 
Whew!
 
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________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:04 PM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: couldn't hurt When I tested mine, the balloon deflated after an hour. Turns out the balloon leaked not the tank. Gets your frustration level up though in the mean time. Gary 40274 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dogsbark@comcast.net Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: RV10-List: couldn't hurt .....I think the message on the balloon pulled me through! So far, so good. http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/images/157146848447f06f37d3b0e.jpg Whew! Sean Blair N967SB (reserved) http://websites.expercraft.com/seanb/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:33 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Service Ceiling, what is it? My definition, highest altitude you can maintain 100 foot rate of climb. I tested it today, these results are not scientific, but it looks like 20,100 for my airplane fully loaded to max. Very close to the aft CG. No wheel fairings. Had a break in the weather this morning, so I ran to the airport and did my service ceiling testing. Got a block of airspace over the Ogden VOR, the Salt Lake Controllers are great. The airplane performed well, it was my first flight at gross weight and I really did not see very much difference in handling. The EFIS showed 100 knot winds at altitude and thus I was almost standing still while I was headed west....I should of looked at my ground speed I am sure it was close if not 0 at times. It looks like Vans numbers are right on for me. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:33 PM PST US From: Barry Marz Subject: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES N789AB WAS SEEN IN THE FLORIDA SKYS THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND IT LOOKED GOOD I AM TOLD. I HAD A PRETTY GOOD SHAKE DOWN FLIGHT, WITH ONLY A FEW (HOPEFULLY) PROBLEMS. IT HANDLED WELL AND MOST THINGS WORKED, BUT HAD SOME NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON LANDING AND IT ACTUALLY ATE UP ONE OF THE BEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE THE LIST FOR THEIR INFO AND IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THESE MACHINES IN THE AIR SAFELY. I HAVE A SAM JAMES COWL AMD PLENUM SO I'LL GET SOME PERF. NUMBERS OUT WHEN I GET A FEW MORE HOURS. THANKS AGAIN AND KEEP BUILDING CAUSE FLYING FEELS SOOOOO GOOD. BLUE SKYS BARRY Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:40 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling From: "John W. Cox" Thanks for reporting the performance. Gross Weight, Aft CG and required climb margin. Was that an Aerosport IO-540D4A5 or a Barrett 9:1 Cold Air with Forsling tuned exhaust? John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Service Ceiling, what is it? My definition, highest altitude you can maintain 100 foot rate of climb. I tested it today, these results are not scientific, but it looks like 20,100 for my airplane fully loaded to max. Very close to the aft CG. No wheel fairings. Had a break in the weather this morning, so I ran to the airport and did my service ceiling testing. Got a block of airspace over the Ogden VOR, the Salt Lake Controllers are great. The airplane performed well, it was my first flight at gross weight and I really did not see very much difference in handling. The EFIS showed 100 knot winds at altitude and thus I was almost standing still while I was headed west....I should of looked at my ground speed I am sure it was close if not 0 at times. It looks like Vans numbers are right on for me. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:55 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES Congrats, let us know what happened to cause the bearing problem. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Marz Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES N789AB WAS SEEN IN THE FLORIDA SKYS THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND IT LOOKED GOOD I AM TOLD. I HAD A PRETTY GOOD SHAKE DOWN FLIGHT, WITH ONLY A FEW (HOPEFULLY) PROBLEMS. IT HANDLED WELL AND MOST THINGS WORKED, BUT HAD SOME NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON LANDING AND IT ACTUALLY ATE UP ONE OF THE BEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE THE LIST FOR THEIR INFO AND IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THESE MACHINES IN THE AIR SAFELY. I HAVE A SAM JAMES COWL AMD PLENUM SO I'LL GET SOME PERF. NUMBERS OUT WHEN I GET A FEW MORE HOURS. THANKS AGAIN AND KEEP BUILDING CAUSE FLYING FEELS SOOOOO GOOD. BLUE SKYS BARRY Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:33 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES A huge congratulations to you guys for getting that thing done! I can't wait to see/read/hear more! Sorry to hear about the bearings...what part of them went out? I can't hardly picture what would happen so quick except for the rubber seal. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Barry Marz wrote: > > N789AB WAS SEEN IN THE FLORIDA SKYS THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND > IT LOOKED GOOD I AM TOLD. I HAD A PRETTY GOOD SHAKE DOWN FLIGHT, WITH > ONLY A FEW (HOPEFULLY) PROBLEMS. IT HANDLED WELL AND MOST THINGS WORKED, > BUT HAD SOME NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON LANDING AND IT ACTUALLY ATE UP ONE OF > THE BEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE THE LIST FOR THEIR INFO > AND IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THESE MACHINES IN THE AIR SAFELY. I HAVE A SAM > JAMES COWL AMD PLENUM SO I'LL GET SOME PERF. NUMBERS OUT WHEN I GET A > FEW MORE HOURS. THANKS AGAIN AND KEEP BUILDING CAUSE FLYING FEELS SOOOOO > GOOD. BLUE SKYS BARRY > > Barry Marz > 18735 Baseleg AVE. > FT. Myers, Fl 33917 > 239-567-2271 > blalmarz@embarqmail.com > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:21 PM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling I have an overhauled C4D5, with the Vans provided exhaust. Dual mags. Just a stock engine and the two blade Hartzell. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:33 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Thanks for reporting the performance. Gross Weight, Aft CG and required climb margin. Was that an Aerosport IO-540D4A5 or a Barrett 9:1 Cold Air with Forsling tuned exhaust? John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Service Ceiling, what is it? My definition, highest altitude you can maintain 100 foot rate of climb. I tested it today, these results are not scientific, but it looks like 20,100 for my airplane fully loaded to max. Very close to the aft CG. No wheel fairings. Had a break in the weather this morning, so I ran to the airport and did my service ceiling testing. Got a block of airspace over the Ogden VOR, the Salt Lake Controllers are great. The airplane performed well, it was my first flight at gross weight and I really did not see very much difference in handling. The EFIS showed 100 knot winds at altitude and thus I was almost standing still while I was headed west....I should of looked at my ground speed I am sure it was close if not 0 at times. It looks like Vans numbers are right on for me. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:36 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Is that adjusted for density altitude, or just indicated altitude? How far off std temp and pressure were the conditions? On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Rene Felker wrote: > > I have an overhauled C4D5, with the Vans provided exhaust. Dual mags. Just > a stock engine and the two blade Hartzell. > > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:33 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling > > > Thanks for reporting the performance. Gross Weight, Aft CG and required > climb margin. > > Was that an Aerosport IO-540D4A5 or a Barrett 9:1 Cold Air with Forsling > tuned exhaust? > > John Cox > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:03 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Service Ceiling > > > Service Ceiling, what is it? > > My definition, highest altitude you can maintain 100 foot rate of climb. > > I tested it today, these results are not scientific, but it looks like > 20,100 for my airplane fully loaded to max. Very close to the aft CG. > No > wheel fairings. > > Had a break in the weather this morning, so I ran to the airport and did > my > service ceiling testing. Got a block of airspace over the Ogden VOR, > the > Salt Lake Controllers are great. The airplane performed well, it was my > first flight at gross weight and I really did not see very much > difference > in handling. The EFIS showed 100 knot winds at altitude and thus I was > almost standing still while I was headed west....I should of looked at > my > ground speed I am sure it was close if not 0 at times. > > It looks like Vans numbers are right on for me. > > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:28 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Thanks for the replies. I think I confused myself when I read the NOTAM where it mentioned not routinely opening for arrivals until 1830 after the field REOPENS each day. My hope was to arrive Sat morning before the show and that's where I got confused thinking the only arrivals all day long could only be after 1830. Having said that, a Friday PM arrival may be possible which would be nice. Thanks again, Marcus From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:42 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sun-n-Fun Marcus Cooper wrote: I'm hoping to get down to Lakeland on Fri or Sat at the end of the show and was reading the arrival NOTAM. It mentioned arrivals are not 'routinely' accepted until AFTER 1830 everyday. Any with previous experience found that to be the case? Seems awfully late in the day to start accepting airplanes considering how many show up. The airshow goes to 5:00 and they need to get the departures out ...... before the arrivals ...... is my guess. Secondly, are most folks planning on parking in homebuilt and camping, or parking at HBC (homebuilt camping) and living with their airplane? Seems like this may have been hashed out already so sorry if it's a repeat question. I can't help there. I live in a camper the whole week ..... and it's already onsite. By the way, there are quite a few changes to the site .... go to http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/ and peruse the web site for a lot of info. I was at the volunteer meeting yesterday, and they've already got about 1/2 of the tents up. Last year they were still getting stuff up on opening day!!! Linn do not archive Thanks, Marcus ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:52:17 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES Nice job Barry, Congratulations, re nose wheel, 1. Did you have the steel or aluminum spacers? 2. Did you make any provisions to 'anchor' the spacers so that they don't spin on the axle ? Also VERY interested in hearing any information/data on the cowl/plenum combo, EGT's, CHT's Oil temps etc. THANKS Deems Davis # 406 Waiting on the painter................. http://deemsrv10.com/ Barry Marz wrote: > > N789AB WAS SEEN IN THE FLORIDA SKYS THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME, > AND IT LOOKED GOOD I AM TOLD. I HAD A PRETTY GOOD SHAKE DOWN FLIGHT, > WITH ONLY A FEW (HOPEFULLY) PROBLEMS. IT HANDLED WELL AND MOST THINGS > WORKED, BUT HAD SOME NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON LANDING AND IT ACTUALLY ATE > UP ONE OF THE BEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE THE LIST FOR > THEIR INFO AND IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THESE MACHINES IN THE AIR SAFELY. I > HAVE A SAM JAMES COWL AMD PLENUM SO I'LL GET SOME PERF. NUMBERS OUT > WHEN I GET A FEW MORE HOURS. THANKS AGAIN AND KEEP BUILDING CAUSE > FLYING FEELS SOOOOO GOOD. BLUE SKYS BARRY > > Barry Marz > 18735 Baseleg AVE. > FT. Myers, Fl 33917 > 239-567-2271 > blalmarz@embarqmail.com > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:19 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Primer overhead console and cabin interior From: "jayb" Dear Listers, I'm priming the cabin interior and overhead console in preparation from painting w/ PPG topcoat. The PPG Primer Wash says "not recommended for use on fiberglass". What to use? Anyone know if 988 shake and rattle auto body primer would work okay? It seems to stick pretty well. Thanks in advance for replies. Regards, Jay more than ready to attach cabin top to fuse... do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174026#174026 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Primer overhead console and cabin interior From: "AirMike" I like the 2 part epoxy primers - way better than the rattle can stuff. I am not so keen on the rattle can stuff as it probably has some oils in it which may prevent good adhesion later. I am using Nason (Dupont) products, but a friend of mine is using Sherwin Williams. If I were starting today, I would go with the SW product as it seems more uniform. The Epoxies are a pain to mix and spray, but they are tough as nails when dry -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174055#174055 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:06 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: N789AB FLIES From: "AirMike" Congratulations - you guys finishing up inspire the worker bees. Wow - I think that three joined the fraternity this week. Puff chested ( and properly earned) picture required -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174057#174057 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:08 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling I made no adjustments. Thought I might figure that out tonight, but went flying instead.....the choices we make. Maybe later this week I will figure it out. It was cold today, around 33 at takeoff.... Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Ceiling Is that adjusted for density altitude, or just indicated altitude? How far off std temp and pressure were the conditions? On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Rene Felker wrote: > > I have an overhauled C4D5, with the Vans provided exhaust. Dual mags. Just > a stock engine and the two blade Hartzell. > > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:33 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Ceiling > > > Thanks for reporting the performance. Gross Weight, Aft CG and required > climb margin. > > Was that an Aerosport IO-540D4A5 or a Barrett 9:1 Cold Air with Forsling > tuned exhaust? > > John Cox > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:03 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Service Ceiling > > > Service Ceiling, what is it? > > My definition, highest altitude you can maintain 100 foot rate of climb. > > I tested it today, these results are not scientific, but it looks like > 20,100 for my airplane fully loaded to max. Very close to the aft CG. > No > wheel fairings. > > Had a break in the weather this morning, so I ran to the airport and did > my > service ceiling testing. Got a block of airspace over the Ogden VOR, > the > Salt Lake Controllers are great. The airplane performed well, it was my > first flight at gross weight and I really did not see very much > difference > in handling. The EFIS showed 100 knot winds at altitude and thus I was > almost standing still while I was headed west....I should of looked at > my > ground speed I am sure it was close if not 0 at times. > > It looks like Vans numbers are right on for me. > > > Rene' Felker > RV-10 N423CF Flying > 801-721-6080 > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:29 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Primer overhead console and cabin interior You don't use the wash primer on the glass. My painting area of my site tells about it....I think it's PPG K-36 primer that you use, mixed as a primer/sealer....where you mix it with paint. That's the stuff to use for the glass. Actually, you'll use that on the aluminum after the wash, too....as wash primer isn't a sealer. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying jayb wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I'm priming the cabin interior and overhead console in preparation > from painting w/ PPG topcoat. The PPG Primer Wash says "not > recommended for use on fiberglass". What to use? > > Anyone know if 988 shake and rattle auto body primer would work okay? > It seems to stick pretty well. > > Thanks in advance for replies. > > Regards, Jay more than ready to attach cabin top to fuse... > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174026#174026 > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:44 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@aol.com Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flexible Fuel Lines I used some good automotive fuel injection lines, but would like to replace them someday with some stainless braided ones if someone has a source. grumpy do not archive In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:14:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero writes: I want to run flexible fuel lines from just outside the fuselage to make the wing root connection. Has anyone else done similar? Length of line used? Source? Thanks, TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend 40025 _tdt@aurora.aero_ (mailto:tdt@aurora.aero) 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:18 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Primer overhead console and cabin interior BTW the number I supplied off list is Sherman Williams primer. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jayb Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 5:56 PM Subject: RV10-List: Primer overhead console and cabin interior Dear Listers, I'm priming the cabin interior and overhead console in preparation from painting w/ PPG topcoat. The PPG Primer Wash says "not recommended for use on fiberglass". What to use? Anyone know if 988 shake and rattle auto body primer would work okay? It seems to stick pretty well. Thanks in advance for replies. Regards, Jay more than ready to attach cabin top to fuse... do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174026#174026 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:34 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Primer overhead console and cabin interior I used UV smooth prime outta Aircraft Spruce. Here's the link; http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/smoothprime.php Fred Williams 40515 jayb wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > I'm priming the cabin interior and overhead console in preparation from painting w/ PPG topcoat. The PPG Primer Wash says "not recommended for use on fiberglass". What to use? > > Anyone know if 988 shake and rattle auto body primer would work okay? It seems to stick pretty well. > > Thanks in advance for replies. > > Regards, > Jay > more than ready to attach cabin top to fuse... > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174026#174026 > > > ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:30 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flexible Fuel Lines I made my own, tank to selector. Got the parts from Vans. Aeroquip. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GenGrumpy@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:19 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flexible Fuel Lines I used some good automotive fuel injection lines, but would like to replace them someday with some stainless braided ones if someone has a source. grumpy do not archive In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:14:28 A.M. 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