---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/01/08: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Flexible Fuel Lines (Bob-tcw) 2. 07:14 AM - Re: N789AB FLIES (John Jessen) 3. 09:08 AM - Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 4. 09:38 AM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Tim Olson) 5. 10:04 AM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 6. 11:16 AM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 7. 12:00 PM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (David McNeill) 8. 02:22 PM - Golden Eagle software (Wayne Edgerton) 9. 03:27 PM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (John W. Cox) 10. 05:13 PM - N46007 (David McNeill) 11. 05:45 PM - Tailcone attach gotchas (Chris Hukill) 12. 05:57 PM - Wing Stand (Bob Leffler) 13. 06:11 PM - Re: Tailcone attach gotchas (Chris and Susie McGough) 14. 06:50 PM - Re: Wing Stand (Larry Rosen) 15. 06:58 PM - Re: N46007 (Kelly McMullen) 16. 07:33 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Tom Ganster) 17. 07:37 PM - Re: Tailcone attach gotchas (Dave Leikam) 18. 07:45 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Rene) 19. 08:02 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (David McNeill) 20. 08:03 PM - Re: Tailcone attach gotchas (Sam Marlow) 21. 08:34 PM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again (Wayne Edgerton) 22. 09:49 PM - Re: N46007 (Deems Davis) 23. 11:05 PM - Official RV10-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle) 24. 11:06 PM - Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle) 25. 11:20 PM - Re: Tailcone attach gotchas (AirMike) 26. 11:22 PM - Re: Wing Stand (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:09 AM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flexible Fuel Lines I'm using flexible SS over teflon lines available from www.anplumbing.com I've used them for the brake system as well. Their customer service is excellent, give them a call with your questions. The series of hose I used is called. "Speed-Flex" also these guys have installation videos up on youtube! http://www.anplumbing.com/shop/ Bob Newman TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES From: John Jessen Congratulations, Barry! That must have been a thrill. Hope the bearing problem is an obvious fix. Keep us informed of that and the how the cowl and plenum effects things. John J -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Marz Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: N789AB FLIES N789AB WAS SEEN IN THE FLORIDA SKYS THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND IT LOOKED GOOD I AM TOLD. I HAD A PRETTY GOOD SHAKE DOWN FLIGHT, WITH ONLY A FEW (HOPEFULLY) PROBLEMS. IT HANDLED WELL AND MOST THINGS WORKED, BUT HAD SOME NOSE WHEEL SHIMMY ON LANDING AND IT ACTUALLY ATE UP ONE OF THE BEARINGS. I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE THE LIST FOR THEIR INFO AND IDEAS ON HOW TO GET THESE MACHINES IN THE AIR SAFELY. I HAVE A SAM JAMES COWL AMD PLENUM SO I'LL GET SOME PERF. NUMBERS OUT WHEN I GET A FEW MORE HOURS. THANKS AGAIN AND KEEP BUILDING CAUSE FLYING FEELS SOOOOO GOOD. BLUE SKYS BARRY Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:08:44 AM PST US From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-1 0. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how m uch it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that rene wal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull valu e, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,0 18. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace wa s $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull v alue or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:15 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Same thing happened to me.....2 drops in a row just like that. I upped the hull one or both times to make up the difference. Nice to have the hull where it should be. Great that you're putting on very worthwhile time don't you think!? :) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Doerr, Ray R [NTK] wrote: > Its that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my > RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told > about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. > > > > My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year > my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of > that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours > total time and 150 hours in make and model. > > > > This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIGs premium is > $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, thats $430 cheaper than last > year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing > the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote > came in at $3,018. > > > > Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace > was $3,520 > > > > Now I just need to figure out if I want to increase the > hull value or not with AIG. > > > > > > Thank You > *Ray Doerr* > N519RV (40250) > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:04:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into play. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within the last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requirements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or radar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months related to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close... _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:10 AM PST US From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Bob, thanks for the info. I just contacted my agent at AIG to see if he is aware of this program since I meet all of the requirements tha t you had listed. Thank You Ray Doerr ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received qu otes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument r ated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This include s a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of fir st flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything bu t with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with r equirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into pl ay. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft . You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within t he last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requ irements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or rad ar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually th ereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months rela ted to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close... ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-1 0. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how m uch it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that rene wal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull valu e, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,0 18. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace wa s $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull v alue or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:47 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. I am getting ready to fly January 103 (aka April 13) and just paid $3325 to Globe for the EAA insurance for 150K hull. AIG offered $2715 but deductible was 10% for test period. AVEMCO , for a laugh, wanted $5400. My TT is 4000+ COM CFII A&P; They required that I get one hour of RV10 dual (The travel to TX) exceeded the cost of the dual by a factor of 5. After I have flown the test period I will be providing two hours dual to my building partner whose total time is about 250 in C152 and Glastar. He is PVT A&P only; addtional insurance cost is $900 annually. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:53 PM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: Golden Eagle software I was in Tina's pilot shop yesterday, which is located at 52F, Roanoke, TX, and saw an item one of you might possible be interested in at her store. She has on consignment a brand new, never used, Golden Eagle System http://www.flightprep.com/ ,which includes all the hardware and their software to get all the info a person would need for IFR flight and flight planning. The person that is selling it is a person, as I understand it, who has just started his pilots training and got a little ahead of himself in buying this. The computer is, I believe a Toshiba, and it has an external drive with all the quizmos, I guess. I didn't check everything out completely I just saw it in the display case and talked to Tina a little about it. Tina told me that the person had just paid $5,500 for it, which included a 1 year subscription to Golden Eagles chart updates, which is their 28 day update cycle. I would have looked at buying this for myself but I just recently bought a system very similar to this one from Golden Eagle. I'm not sure what this person would entertain as an offer but I'm guessing a person could possible save up to a couple thousand dollars. No harm in making an offer if your looking. So if any of you have been thinking about a system like this I would suggest you give Tina a call and have her explain in detail included in the system, she said it a full blown system, and make an offer. www.tinaspilotshop.com Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:07 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. From: "John W. Cox" Here is one big reason to sift through all of the posts during the year. Great Information. Fly Safe, Fly Often, Fly RV-10s John Cox ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into play. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within the last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requirements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or radar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months related to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close... ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:55 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: N46007 N46007 is now an airplane. The DAR (Phil Beck of Paladin Aerospace) completed the inspection this afternoon. He required checking of the correct movement of all controls, reviewed the placards and checked pilot reach of all controls. I received a 25 hour test period for the PHX southern route. Also today I checked the EIS graphics on the GRT Sport. The Cheltons are my primary Flight instrumentation but the GRT Sport was selected as backup and it provides a separate PFD,MFD or EIS or XM page. The new EIS page has a nice graphic display comparable in info as the Chelton engine page. First flight should be either 4/13 or 4/20. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:45:23 PM PST US From: "Chris Hukill" Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas I did the initial tailcone attach today, and ran into a gottcha that I thought I would share. It turns out the quickbuild fuselage was built with the F10102A baggage door seal angle 1/16 inch too long. This is the angle riveted below the F1046L longeron. This angle butts up to the tailcone longeron, which is positioned under the fuselage longeron. Because you cannot see this interference unless you really look for it with a mirror, I was unaware that it was keeping the left side of the tailcone from getting forward enough to line up with the holes in the fuselage. A lot of time was spent swearing and trying to get it in position, before the we found the problem. I was able to drill out several of the 1/8 inch rivets, and place a .060 piece of scrap between the longeron, and angle, then use a cutoff disk on a dremmel to shorten the angle, and get a fit. I'll clean up the cut after the tailcone is removed again. I suggest that you measure the angle from a reference, like the side skin rivet holes to make sure yours aren't too long, before you wrestle the tailcone onto the fuselage. Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:14 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Wing Stand I had bookmarked Larry Rosen's site because he had detailed plans for building a wing stand. Unfortunately, his site is offline. I've found many pictures of wing stands on other sites, but no detailed plans. I was hoping to find dimensions and a bill of materials. Does anyone have a copy of Larry's plans or can point me to where I can find them (or something similar) online? Thanks, Bob #40684 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:10 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas Vans was told about this 2 years ago....they sure work slow to fix things! regards Chris do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hukill To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas I did the initial tailcone attach today, and ran into a gottcha that I thought I would share. It turns out the quickbuild fuselage was built with the F10102A baggage door seal angle 1/16 inch too long. This is the angle riveted below the F1046L longeron. This angle butts up to the tailcone longeron, which is positioned under the fuselage longeron. Because you cannot see this interference unless you really look for it with a mirror, I was unaware that it was keeping the left side of the tailcone from getting forward enough to line up with the holes in the fuselage. A lot of time was spent swearing and trying to get it in position, before the we found the problem. I was able to drill out several of the 1/8 inch rivets, and place a .060 piece of scrap between the longeron, and angle, then use a cutoff disk on a dremmel to shorten the angle, and get a fit. I'll clean up the cut after the tailcone is removed again. I suggest that you measure the angle from a reference, like the side skin rivet holes to make sure yours aren't too long, before you wrestle the tailcone onto the fuselage. Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:58 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wing Stand Sorry my site is down. Send you a pdf and photo of list. Let me know if you need more information. Larry Bob Leffler wrote: > > I had bookmarked Larry Rosens site because he had detailed plans for > building a wing stand. Unfortunately, his site is offline. Ive found > many pictures of wing stands on other sites, but no detailed plans. I > was hoping to find dimensions and a bill of materials. Does anyone > have a copy of Larrys plans or can point me to where I can find them > (or something similar) online? > > Thanks, > > Bob > > #40684 > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:17 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: N46007 Congratulations David. That is huge. David McNeill wrote: > N46007 is now an airplane. The DAR (Phil Beck of Paladin Aerospace) > completed the inspection this afternoon. He required checking of the > correct movement of all controls, reviewed the placards and checked > pilot reach of all controls. I received a 25 hour test period for the > PHX southern route. Also today I checked the EIS graphics on the GRT > Sport. The Cheltons are my primary Flight instrumentation but the GRT > Sport was selected as backup and it provides a separate PFD,MFD or EIS > or XM page. The new EIS page has a nice graphic display comparable in > info as the Chelton engine page. First flight should be either 4/13 or > 4/20. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:54 PM PST US From: "Tom Ganster" Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Talking of insurance, when in the building process have builder gotten hull insurance to cover their investment? Tom Ganster 40778 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Here is one big reason to sift through all of the posts during the year. Great Information. Fly Safe, Fly Often, Fly RV-10s John Cox _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn=92t cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into play. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn=92t know this and didn=92t have an IPC within the last year so didn=92t get the discount this time). Following are the requirements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or radar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months related to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close=85 _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It=92s that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG=92s premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that=92s $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan=92t to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List"http://www.matronics.com/Na vig ator?RV10-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribut ion Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:32 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas Chris, I just connected my tailcone to my QB fuse and did not find this problem. Maybe my kit is later? Dave Leikam 40496 ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Hukill To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:41 PM Subject: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas I did the initial tailcone attach today, and ran into a gottcha that I thought I would share. It turns out the quickbuild fuselage was built with the F10102A baggage door seal angle 1/16 inch too long. This is the angle riveted below the F1046L longeron. This angle butts up to the tailcone longeron, which is positioned under the fuselage longeron. Because you cannot see this interference unless you really look for it with a mirror, I was unaware that it was keeping the left side of the tailcone from getting forward enough to line up with the holes in the fuselage. A lot of time was spent swearing and trying to get it in position, before the we found the problem. I was able to drill out several of the 1/8 inch rivets, and place a .060 piece of scrap between the longeron, and angle, then use a cutoff disk on a dremmel to shorten the angle, and get a fit. I'll clean up the cut after the tailcone is removed again. I suggest that you measure the angle from a reference, like the side skin rivet holes to make sure yours aren't too long, before you wrestle the tailcone onto the fuselage. Chris Hukill ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:27 PM PST US From: "Rene" Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. I did not get insurance until a couple of days before first flight. Helped me not rush the first flight.. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ganster Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Talking of insurance, when in the building process have builder gotten hull insurance to cover their investment? Tom Ganster 40778 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Here is one big reason to sift through all of the posts during the year. Great Information. Fly Safe, Fly Often, Fly RV-10s John Cox _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into play. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within the last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requirements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or radar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months related to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) http://www..matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:23 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. You need flight/ground insurance when you start the engine as that procedure is not covered under builders insurance; at least the EAA broker sees it that way. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. I did not get insurance until a couple of days before first flight. Helped me not rush the first flight.. Rene' 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ganster Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Talking of insurance, when in the building process have builder gotten hull insurance to cover their investment? Tom Ganster 40778 wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Here is one big reason to sift through all of the posts during the year. Great Information. Fly Safe, Fly Often, Fly RV-10s John Cox _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA) Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. Ray, good info - thanks! I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model. AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into play. AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within the last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requirements for that discount: Aircraft Requirements: 1. IFR certified GPS 2. Moving map display 3. 2 axis autopilot Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational: Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS Traffic avoidance (TCAS) Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or radar Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer RNP capability Pilot Requirements: 1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating 2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated 3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months related to: a. Single pilot IFR b. Datalink c. Thunderstorms d. IFR GPS e. Runway Safety Bob #40105 So close. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again. It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance. My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and 150 hours in make and model. This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,018. Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace was $3,520 Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull value or not with AIG. Thank You Ray Doerr N519RV (40250) http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM Checked by AVG. 3/30/2008 12:32 PM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:00 PM PST US From: Sam Marlow Subject: Re: RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas My kit is #40157, and it had the same problem. Sam Marlow Dave Leikam wrote: > Chris, > > I just connected my tailcone to my QB fuse and did not find this > problem. Maybe my kit is later? > > Dave Leikam > 40496 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Chris Hukill > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:41 PM > *Subject:* RV10-List: Tailcone attach gotchas > > I did the initial tailcone attach today, and ran into a gottcha > that I thought I would share. It turns out the quickbuild fuselage > was built with the F10102A baggage door seal angle 1/16 inch too > long. This is the angle riveted below the F1046L longeron. This > angle butts up to the tailcone longeron, which is positioned under > the fuselage longeron. Because you cannot see this interference > unless you really look for it with a mirror, I was unaware that it > was keeping the left side of the tailcone from getting forward > enough to line up with the holes in the fuselage. A lot of time > was spent swearing and trying to get it in position, before the we > found the problem. I was able to drill out several of the 1/8 inch > rivets, and place a .060 piece of scrap between the longeron, and > angle, then use a cutoff disk on a dremmel to shorten the angle, > and get a fit. I'll clean up the cut after the tailcone is removed > again. I suggest that you measure the angle from a reference, like > the side skin rivet holes to make sure yours aren't too long, > before you wrestle the tailcone onto the fuselage. > Chris Hukill > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:58 PM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: RV10-List: RE: Insurance Renewal Time once again I also just received a quote for my insurance renewal, which is coming up in June. Last year I had Jim Pappas as an agent and he put me with AIG. I had the hull value at $200,000, a little low, with $1,000,000 coverage. There is some small deductible amount. The premium was $3,379 As many of you may know Jim decided to no longer be an insurance agent so I went to EAA who got me a quote from Global & AIG for my renewal. I have about 2000 hours, about 100 in type, and I'm twin engine instrument rated with a glider rating, I don't know if that helps or not. I've also completed the Wings program level 11. The only reason I'm saying all of this is for comparison on quotes. On the quotes that I just received it appears that Global is a better choice for me. They have no deductible and several other benefits that AIG doesn't and my new rate will be $2,950. Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:39 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: N46007 Way to go Dude!!!!! Looking forward ot your 1st flight. Nice job! Deems David McNeill wrote: > N46007 is now an airplane. The DAR (Phil Beck of Paladin Aerospace) > completed the inspection this afternoon. He required checking of the > correct movement of all controls, reviewed the placards and checked > pilot reach of all controls. I received a 25 hour test period for the > PHX southern route. Also today I checked the EIS graphics on the GRT > Sport. The Cheltons are my primary Flight instrumentation but the GRT > Sport was selected as backup and it provides a separate PFD,MFD or EIS > or XM page. The new EIS page has a nice graphic display comparable in > info as the Chelton engine page. 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Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:47 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV10-List: Official RV10-List Usage Guidelines Dear Listers, Please read over the RV10-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV10-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV10-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV10-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV10-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV10-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV10-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV10-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established: - Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc. - THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it. - Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and responses. - Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address, aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary space in the archive. - DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the web page or FAQ first. - If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it easy to find threads in the archive. - When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive can not be overstated! - When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the "reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your response to the original poster. You might have to actively address your response with the original poster's email address. - DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large. - When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly contribute something valuable. - Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. - Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by List members promoting their respective products or items for sale should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. ------- [This is an automated posting.] do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:04 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tailcone attach gotchas From: "AirMike" No problem like this on 40663 QB delivered 4/07 -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174292#174292 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:22:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing Stand From: "AirMike" Belated thanks Larry - the wing stand saves boku space and works great -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174293#174293 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.