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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Tailcone attach gotchas (Lew Gallagher)
2. 05:24 AM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
3. 06:11 AM - Re: N46007 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
4. 06:59 AM - Re: N46007 (John Jessen)
5. 07:46 AM - paint shops AR (David McNeill)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: paint shops AR (David Maib)
7. 08:11 AM - Re: paint shops AR (Damon Wack)
8. 08:50 AM - Re: paint shops AR (Sam Marlow)
9. 10:23 AM - New Product Announcement (Bob-tcw)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
11. 01:38 PM - Buying and Selling RV-10s (John W. Cox)
12. 02:10 PM - Flap Switch (lbgjb10)
13. 02:35 PM - AFS Systems (Jesse Saint)
14. 02:52 PM - Re: Flap Switch (Sam Marlow)
15. 03:19 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Bob Leffler)
16. 04:25 PM - Fw: AFS Systems (b e)
17. 04:26 PM - Re: Flap Switch (lbgjb10)
18. 04:38 PM - Re: AFS Systems (John W. Cox)
19. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (Sam Marlow)
20. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (John Ackerman)
21. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (Larry Rosen)
22. 05:34 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Jesse Saint)
23. 05:37 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (Jesse Saint)
24. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (Deems Davis)
25. 05:49 PM - Re: AFS Systems (RobHickman@aol.com)
26. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (linn Walters)
27. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Flap Switch (linn Walters)
28. 06:42 PM - Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again. (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
29. 07:11 PM - Re: Re: Insurance Renewal Time once again (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
30. 07:37 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Jesse Saint)
31. 07:58 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Pascal)
32. 08:00 PM - Re: paint shops AR (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
33. 08:47 PM - Re: paint shops AR (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
34. 09:14 PM - Re: AFS Systems (RobHickman@aol.com)
35. 09:33 PM - Re: AFS Systems (RobHickman@aol.com)
36. 11:23 PM - EFIS One Price Slashed!!! (cdwambolt)
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| Subject: | Re: Tailcone attach gotchas |
Hey Chris,
Our QB fuse did not have that problem (40695), but after much grunting and swearing,
I DID discover a temporary pop rivet in that area that would not allow the
tail to mesh in the baggage door area. We felt stupid after we discovered
it and it did finally fit ... still not my favorite thing to do!!
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174305#174305
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| Subject: | Insurance Renewal Time once again. |
I didn't insure mine until it was time for the trip to the airp
ort from the garage.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ganster
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once a
gain.
Talking of insurance, when in the building process have builder gotten hull
insurance to cover their investment?
Tom Ganster 40778 wings
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: **Possible_Spam** RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again
.
Here is one big reason to sift through all of the posts during the year. G
reat Information.
Fly Safe, Fly Often, Fly RV-10s
John Cox
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
Ray, good info - thanks!
I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received qu
otes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument r
ated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This include
s a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM
for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of fir
st flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything bu
t with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period.
AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with r
equirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model.
AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into pl
ay.
AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft
. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the
discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within t
he last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requ
irements for that discount:
Aircraft Requirements:
1. IFR certified GPS
2. Moving map display
3. 2 axis autopilot
Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational:
Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS
Traffic avoidance (TCAS)
Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or rad
ar
Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer
RNP capability
Pilot Requirements:
1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating
2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually th
ereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated
3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months rela
ted to:
a. Single pilot IFR
b. Datalink
c. Thunderstorms
d. IFR GPS
e. Runway Safety
Bob #40105
So close...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-1
0. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how m
uch it was going to cost me this year for insurance.
My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my
premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that rene
wal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and
150 hours in make and model.
This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714
for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That
make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull valu
e, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,0
18.
Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace wa
s $3,520
Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull v
alue or not with AIG.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250)
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Checked by AVG.
3/30/2008 12:32 PM
Checked by AVG.
3/30/2008 12:32 PM
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Very good to hear! I'm probably going to be doing almost the same thing pa
nel wise. Dual Cheltons except with an AFS-3400 or 3500 for engine integra
tion and backup EFIS.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 7:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N46007
N46007 is now an airplane. The DAR (Phil Beck of Paladin Aerospace) complet
ed the inspection this afternoon. He required checking of the correct movem
ent of all controls, reviewed the placards and checked pilot reach of all c
ontrols. I received a 25 hour test period for the PHX southern route. Also
today I checked the EIS graphics on the GRT Sport. The Cheltons are my prim
ary Flight instrumentation but the GRT Sport was selected as backup and it
provides a separate PFD,MFD or EIS or XM page. The new EIS page has a nice
graphic display comparable in info as the Chelton engine page. First flight
should be either 4/13 or 4/20.
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Wonderful news!
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N46007
N46007 is now an airplane. The DAR (Phil Beck of Paladin Aerospace)
completed the inspection this afternoon. He required checking of the correct
movement of all controls, reviewed the placards and checked pilot reach of
all controls. I received a 25 hour test period for the PHX southern route.
Also today I checked the EIS graphics on the GRT Sport. The Cheltons are my
primary Flight instrumentation but the GRT Sport was selected as backup and
it provides a separate PFD,MFD or EIS or XM page. The new EIS page has a
nice graphic display comparable in info as the Chelton engine page. First
flight should be either 4/13 or 4/20.
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Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG painted
there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership since then. Any
current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow Matterhorn white base
color and Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips , rudder tips, stripe,
etc). Particularily interested in the quality of work and the ability to
meet time and money committments
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| Subject: | Re: paint shops AR |
Somebody posted about one of the Mena paint shops just recently. I cannot remember
if it was on this site or the VAF site. I cannot seem to find it now, but
it was a positive review.
David Maib
40559
endless finishing
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On Wednesday, April 02, 2008, at 09:54AM, "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG painted
>there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership since then. Any
>current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow Matterhorn white base
>color and Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips , rudder tips, stripe,
>etc). Particularily interested in the quality of work and the ability to
>meet time and money committments
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint shops AR |
I don't know about now but when I worked for Comair in the 1990's we
used to fly the Metroliners to Mena for paint work.
On Apr 2, 2008, at 9:42 AM, David McNeill wrote:
> Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG
> painted there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership
> since then. Any current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow
> Matterhorn white base color and Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips
> , rudder tips, stripe, etc). Particularily interested in the quality
> of work and the ability to meet time and money committments
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: paint shops AR |
Best quality and price I've seen is at "aircraftpainting.com" , great
guys to deal with. Ask to see my RV10 pic.
Sam Marlow
#40157
David McNeill wrote:
> Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG
> painted there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership
> since then. Any current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow
> Matterhorn white base color and Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips
> , rudder tips, stripe, etc). Particularily interested in the quality
> of work and the ability to meet time and money committments
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | New Product Announcement |
Fellow RV Builders,
I'd like to make you aware that we are introducing a new flap
controller to our line-up of products at TCW Technologies. TCW
Technologies currently provides the Safety-Trim series of servo
controllers.
The new product, Intelligent Flap Controller IFC-1 will be featured
along with Safety-Trim at our booth at Sun-n-Fun. (booth N-96)
IFC-1 was specifically designed to drive the Van's Flap actuator and has
some key features not available in other flap controllers.
IFC-1 provides for simple wiring of Pilot and Co-Pilot flap switches and
provides Vfe protection to guard against accidental flap deployment.
All the details are available at
http://www.tcwtech.com/Aviation%20Products.htm
IFC-1 will be available directly from our web site or at Stein Air, Inc.
www.steinair.com
Thank you,
Bob Newman (40176)
TCW Technologies.
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Insurance Renewal Time once again. |
Thanks Bob, I will owe you a few beers at Oshkosh this year. M
y Agent just got back to be about the 10% discount for Technologically Adva
nced Aircraft (TAA). AIG said I do meet these requirements and in fact the
discount worked out to more than 10%, it was 12.2% in my case, or a saving
s of $368.
So here is how it looks.
Hull Value w 5% AOPA w 5% AOPA and TAA discount
$150,000 $2714 $2384
$170,000 $3,018 $2,650
So I told him to go ahead with the $170K on the Hull.
For those of you guys that are still planning your panels, this
is great information if you were sitting on the fence about having an IFR
Certified GPS, Moving Map etc. It may pay for itself some time down the ro
ad with this yearly discount.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250)
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
Ray, good info - thanks!
I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received qu
otes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an instrument r
ated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours make/model. This include
s a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I had one other quote from AIM
for $3,050. Difference between the two was essentially in coverage of fir
st flight and during the flyoff period. The AIG quote covers everything bu
t with increased deductible and lower liability during the flyoff period.
AIM didn't cover first flight but did include an Open Pilot Warranty with r
equirements of 500 hours TT and 10 hours make/model.
AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into pl
ay.
AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced Aircraft
. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated to get the
discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an IPC within t
he last year so didn't get the discount this time). Following are the requ
irements for that discount:
Aircraft Requirements:
1. IFR certified GPS
2. Moving map display
3. 2 axis autopilot
Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational:
Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS
Traffic avoidance (TCAS)
Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or rad
ar
Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer
RNP capability
Pilot Requirements:
1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument rating
2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually th
ereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated
3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months rela
ted to:
a. Single pilot IFR
b. Datalink
c. Thunderstorms
d. IFR GPS
e. Runway Safety
Bob #40105
So close...
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R [NTK]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my RV-1
0. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told about how m
uch it was going to cost me this year for insurance.
My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year my
premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of that rene
wal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours total time and
150 hours in make and model.
This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is $2,714
for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last year. That
make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing the hull valu
e, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote came in at $3,0
18.
Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace wa
s $3,520
Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the hull v
alue or not with AIG.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250)
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Buying and Selling RV-10s |
Just received my SNF '08 Complimentary copy of TRADE-A-PLANE (Volume 71)
and found four RV-10s for sale #40441, #40423, #40144 and don't forget
Eric's #40014.
***
Then this morning someone posted a Question on Best Buying Practices on
finished RVs.
"I think a set of Best Practices for used RV pre-buy/purchasing would
be helpful. Has anything like this been compiled before? I'm thinking
about:
Indicators of good construction (with photos)
Indicators of poor construction (with photos)
What to look for in the logs (good and bad)
What tests to do? (avionics, engine, etc)
Should an Oil Analysis be done?
What quirks to be aware of between models...
I think something like this would be very helpful to any non-A&P
shopping for a used RV.
-Andrew"
The RV-10 is just too shiny and new to use my standard inspection
techniques, but it is worth consideration when looking at another's
work. It is amazing to track all of the RV-10s that have already resold
and those now "On the Block". I am still fascinated at the high
percentage of RV-10s which go on the blocks after the build is complete.
Wish you guys would hold the longer and let market forces sent the
value through the roof.
When considering purchase of an older RV aircraft, I do a comprehensive
review of all three logbooks; Airframe, Engine and Prop. The last one
was an RV-6A which had over Nine joyous years and 950+ hours on it. I
actually take the entries and convert them to Excel so I can do multiple
searches of the hard data. Holes in the data entry can tell as much as
what is sometimes written into them.
Step 1 - Regularity and time between oil changes (or big periods of
neglect).
Step 2 - Rate of accumulated hours on the airframe.
Step 3 - Replacement of failed components.
Step 4 - Compliance with A.D.s and the time to respond (a Hot Topic
lately).
Step 5 - Compliance with S.B.s.
Step 6 - Consideration of where the aircraft was flown and time to
MOH.
Step 7 - The accuracy and completeness of required logbook entries
(Including transponder, VOR and ELT.
Step 8 - In depth review of all Operating Checklists.
Step 9 - The Conditional Inspection list and
A differential cylinder pressure test should be completed on the
powerplant with leak down results (when the engine is properly warmed to
operating temperature). You really should fly the bird you are
considering purchasing.
Using a Digital Level (+/- 0.1=B0), check the rigging and movement of
all control surfaces for compliance to Spec.
Use three calibrated scales and reweigh the aircraft as "Properly
Configured". Check your calculations with those that the manufacturer
entered during the DAR inspection process. You don't want to be using
Lycoming data with a Subaru powerplant or an incorrect battery weight
and location.
A review of two continuous oil analysis reports helps to develop a trend
and not just a one time "Snap Shot". If you don't have them, start now.
Check ignition timing and do a complete visual inspection of ignition
components. One Mag was significantly off the timing marks. All lower
plugs were Lead fouled. Check for RPM rise upon Leaning at Shutdown for
correct setting. With higher fuel costs, the use of Mogas is going to
become an issue with future purchases.
Take digital pictures of the (Behind the Scenes) Instrument Panel
construction and wiring. Get your favorite Avionics shop to critique
the condition of wiring routing, connections and mount techniques. This
is always a heavy hit $$$ when they want to rework or correct an
installation.
When in doubt, get an A&P who is an active I/A or does lots of RVs
Conditionals of the model you covet to do your Pre-Purchase inspection.
The investment in money can save a lot when tackling the responsibility
of ownership on an Amateur Built aircraft. Remember that you don't get
to hold the Repairman Certificate, so future Conditionals are more
challenging. That right stays with the Seller, So maybe he will sign
each future Conditional Inspection and stay on the hook with you? It is
amazing what can be hidden by shiny new paint and filler. Tim or
someone needs to start a Gotcha List for prospective buyers on items to
look for.
Keeping a High Resale Value and Lower Insurance costs, coupled with a
low accident record is in every builder's self interest. Let the
Excitement of Sun N Fun '08 begin.
John Cox
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anyone know where to get a flap switch--3 position like some use on the Infinity
grip, but for panel mounting. I would like it to have a broader 'toggle' than
standard toggle switch so I can tell by feel it is flaps. thanks
--------
Larry N104LG
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Just an FYI for those doing their own panels. I have just finished
wiring in a dual AHRS Advanced Flight System setup, which is the first
AFS system I have installed except the AOA. It is a very easy system
compared to some. It is very similar to a Dynon installation in many
ways. Way easier than the GRT EIS.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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A/C Spruce has the infinity switches.
lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> anyone know where to get a flap switch--3 position like some use on the Infinity
grip, but for panel mounting. I would like it to have a broader 'toggle'
than standard toggle switch so I can tell by feel it is flaps. thanks
>
> --------
> Larry N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174398#174398
>
>
>
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Jesse,
I am a year away from the EFIS decision. Can you elaborate on the different
experience with AFS compared to GRT so that I can make a more informed
decision?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS Systems
Just an FYI for those doing their own panels. I have just finished wiring
in a dual AHRS Advanced Flight System setup, which is the first AFS system I
have installed except the AOA. It is a very easy system compared to some.
It is very similar to a Dynon installation in many ways. Way easier than
the GRT EIS.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Jesse,
Thanks for the heads up. As usual you come to our aid. Have any news concerning
the new GRT Horizon HX? Further on the subject of GRT, what IFR GPSs are being
used?
Thanks in advance
Barry Chapman, 91591
RV-9A waitin on da wings
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From: Bob Leffler <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 5:15:33 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems
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Jesse,
I am a year away from the EFIS decision. Can you elaborate on
the different experience with AFS compared to GRT so that I can make a more
informed decision?
Thanks,
Bob
#40684
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS Systems
Just an FYI for those doing their own panels. I have
just finished wiring in a dual AHRS Advanced Flight System setup, which is the
first AFS system I have installed except the AOA. It is a very easy
system compared to some. It is very similar to a Dynon installation in
many ways. Way easier than the GRT EIS.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your generous support!
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thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what is on the infinity
grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT A/C they had switches
for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on the toggle to be flat rather than
regular round toggle. lbb
--------
Larry & Gayle N104LG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
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Jesse, before answering Bob's question. Will your "just finished
wiring" for the AFS 3500 AHRS setup allow for the AFS4500 about to be
unveiled next week up the street from you?
Wiring is a biggy. If yes, then go ahead and answer Bob's query. I
will wait until after you have an answer. It is great to watch the
products develop and seek their place on the food chain. These are
exciting times.
John
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: AFS Systems
Just an FYI for those doing their own panels. I have just finished
wiring in a dual AHRS Advanced Flight System setup, which is the first
AFS system I have installed except the AOA. It is a very easy system
compared to some. It is very similar to a Dynon installation in many
ways. Way easier than the GRT EIS.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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The toggle switch on my infinity grip, that I use for the flaps is a
flat blade type. It could be used anywhere. You just need the correct
part numbers, which I unfortunately don't have at the moment. But I'm
sure someone on the list has them readily at hand.
bgjb10 wrote:
>
> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what is on the
infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT A/C they had switches
for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on the toggle to be flat rather than
regular round toggle. lbb
>
> --------
> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
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Apparently they're pretty hard to come by. You might try one of the A/
C salvage yards, such as Wentworth in the twin cities.
Some folks here have "rolled their own" with appropriate machine
tools. They slipped a "home-made" flap-shaped Al cover on a standard
toggle, and held it in place with a set screw. That's beyond my level!
We put our flap switch inside a cage-like guard and just used a
standard toggle configuration. It's the only guarded switch on the
panel - I think that will work well, and it's protected from
accidental activation in turbulence, for example.
Good luck!
Marlys and John 40458
On Apr 2, 2008, at 4:24 PM, lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what
> is on the infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT
> A/C they had switches for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on
> the toggle to be flat rather than regular round toggle. lbb
>
> --------
> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
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Avionics Hanger has them for $89.
<http://www.avionicshangar.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=85>
Or roll your own. Some photos and instructions from Aeroelectric Bob
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Switches/Flap_Switch.jpg
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Switches/FLAPS1.JPG
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Switches/FLAPS2.JPG
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Switches/FLAPS3.JPG
http://www.aeroelectric.com/Pictures/Switches/Toggle_Shaft.jpg
Larry Rosen
lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what is on the
infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT A/C they had switches
for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on the toggle to be flat rather than
regular round toggle. lbb
>
> --------
> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
>
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I don't know the answer to that yet, but if AFS is half as smart as
they appear to be, it will be the same or very similar wiring.
Dynon's wiring for their D-180 is the same as for the D-100 and D-120
combined, and the D-100 and D-120 have the same wiring as the D-10/
D-10A's. You know what assuming does, but let's hope it will be the
same or very similar wiring. The one thing I know about the 4500 is
that they will fit into trays instead of having the connectors attach
directly to the back of the EFIS or EMS. I just got the paperwork
from Rob that they will be giving out at Sun-N-Fun and it looks
fantastic. Market share is definitely going to be moving in their
direction, IMHO.
As far as Bob's question, I have only worked with the GRT EIS, not the
EFIS, so I won't/can't speak to that. My main memory of the recent
wiring of the EIS is all of the specific resistors that need to be
wired in line with the different sensors and the number of wires that
have to be run to multiple places for the excitation voltage for
sensors. On GRT's behalf, I got the impression that they have a new
EIS coming out that will eliminate some of this. Also, the GRT allows
you to use a lot more different types of senders and to calibrate the
system to read them, but for most of the people on this list, I don't
think that is as big of a deal since most are building new planes and
buying new sensors, not trying to retrofit.
On the Sun-N-Fun note, I will plan to be there all week except Sunday,
probaby. By that time I will be pretty tired, especially since I am
just getting back home from Ecuador the day after tomorrow, and also
because my wife is due with baby #5 in 3 weeks (please no comments on
how close I am cutting that, as I already know it - but since she will
be with me at Sun-N-Fun, we may end up having the midwife just come to
the camper as long as the labor doesn't run into the curfew
hours :-) ). I will try to send reports on any new offerings or
surprises or great show specials. I don't know if we can expect an
Auto Pilot offering from Dynon yet or if we have to wait until OSH.
Who knows what Garmin, TruTrak, etc. might have up their sleeves.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:33 PM, John W. Cox wrote:
> Jesse, before answering Bob=92s question. Will your =93just finished
> wiring=94 for the AFS 3500 AHRS setup allow for the AFS4500 about to
> be unveiled next week up the street from you?
>
> Wiring is a biggy. If yes, then go ahead and answer Bob=92s query. I
> will wait until after you have an answer. It is great to watch the
> products develop and seek their place on the food chain. These are
> exciting times.
>
> John
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:32 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: AFS Systems
>
> Just an FYI for those doing their own panels. I have just finished
> wiring in a dual AHRS Advanced Flight System setup, which is the
> first AFS system I have installed except the AOA. It is a very easy
> system compared to some. It is very similar to a Dynon installation
> in many ways. Way easier than the GRT EIS.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
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On this subject, does anybody know how much power this switch needs to
handle when wired to the Showplanes FPS? I know the power connects
both to the FPS controller and to the switch, so a switch that is made
for 1A might not be desirable for a circuit with a 10A breaker for the
flaps.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:24 PM, lbgjb10 wrote:
>
> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what
> is on the infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT
> A/C they had switches for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on
> the toggle to be flat rather than regular round toggle. lbb
>
> --------
> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
>
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t's a bit pricey, but here's a link to Pacific Coast who has a 'paddle'
type flap switch..
http://www.pca.aero/OnlineCatalog/PCA_pg40-41.html
Right side of page 3/4 way down page.
http://www.pca.aero/OnlineCatalog/PCA_pg40-41.html
Looks like this installed. (see attached)
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
>>
>> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what is
>> on the infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT A/C
>> they had switches for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on the
>> toggle to be flat rather than regular round toggle. lbb
>>
>> --------
>> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
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Exact same wiring and connections........
Everyone is under a gag order until Sun-n-Fun, so don't even try calling :)
-Rob
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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lbgjb10 wrote:
>
>thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what is on the infinity
grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT A/C they had switches
for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on the toggle to be flat rather than
regular round toggle.
>
I don't know what the postioons are for the infinity grip, so here's
some suggestions.
Make your own 'flap handle' like a flap section, drill a hole in the
hinge side and use some JBWELD to hold it on the switch handle. You can
buy switches with threaded handles too. Google 'electronic parts'
...... jameco mouser allied digikey are all possibilities. You can get
flat handles ..... maybe 1/4" wide but I think you'd rather have
something 1" wide. Also, you want a round one (lollipop) for the gear
switch. ;-)
You can also go to http://www.fletchair.com/ and order a flap switch for
a 2-place grumman. It has a center off, momentary (for flaps down .....
you hold it) and the other way is up (not momentary).
Linn
do not archive
> lbb
>
>--------
>Larry & Gayle N104LG
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
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Jesse Saint wrote:
>
> On this subject, does anybody know how much power this switch needs
> to handle when wired to the Showplanes FPS? I know the power
> connects both to the FPS controller and to the switch, so a switch
> that is made for 1A might not be desirable for a circuit with a 10A
> breaker for the flaps.
Remember that breakers are there to protect the wiring ...... the
devices connected to a 10A breaker may be very small current
consumers. However, this doesn't really answer the question either! :-P
Linn
>
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:24 PM, lbgjb10 wrote:
>
>>
>> thanks for the reply, but I want a functioning switch 'like' what
>> is on the infinity grip, but for panel mounting not on the grip. AT
>> A/C they had switches for the grip. I would like the 'handle' on
>> the toggle to be flat rather than regular round toggle. lbb
>>
>> --------
>> Larry & Gayle N104LG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174426#174426
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Insurance Renewal Time once again. |
Great news Ray - about the discount AND the beers! One thing that I
didn't mention before is that complex and/or high performance time also
seem to play into the equation.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
Thanks Bob, I will owe you a few beers at Oshkosh this year.
My Agent just got back to be about the 10% discount for Technologically
Advanced Aircraft (TAA). AIG said I do meet these requirements and in
fact the discount worked out to more than 10%, it was 12.2% in my case,
or a savings of $368.
So here is how it looks.
Hull Value w 5% AOPA w 5% AOPA and TAA discount
$150,000 $2714 $2384
$170,000 $3,018 $2,650
So I told him to go ahead with the $170K on the Hull.
For those of you guys that are still planning your panels,
this is great information if you were sitting on the fence about having
an IFR Certified GPS, Moving Map etc. It may pay for itself some time
down the road with this yearly discount.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250)
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob
(US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
Ray, good info - thanks!
I have some additional data to contribute since I very recently received
quotes. AIG had a premium of $3,261 for a 150k hull value as an
instrument rated pilot with roughly 400 hours TT and 11 hours
make/model. This includes a 5% discount for being a member of AOPA. I
had one other quote from AIM for $3,050. Difference between the two was
essentially in coverage of first flight and during the flyoff period.
The AIG quote covers everything but with increased deductible and lower
liability during the flyoff period. AIM didn't cover first flight but
did include an Open Pilot Warranty with requirements of 500 hours TT and
10 hours make/model.
AIG has a breakpoint at 100 hours make/model where a discount comes into
play.
AIG also has a discount (10% I think) for Technologically Advanced
Aircraft. You have to meet the requirements when the quote is generated
to get the discount (unfortunately I didn't know this and didn't have an
IPC within the last year so didn't get the discount this time).
Following are the requirements for that discount:
Aircraft Requirements:
1. IFR certified GPS
2. Moving map display
3. 2 axis autopilot
Plus 2 of the following systems installed on-board and operational:
Terrain awareness such as TAWS, GPWS or EGPWS
Traffic avoidance (TCAS)
Weather monitoring equipment such as stormscope, datalink or
radar
Advanced fuel management such as a fuel totalizer
RNP capability
Pilot Requirements:
1. Private or more advanced pilot certificate with instrument
rating
2. Completion of an IPC within the previous 12 months and annually
thereafter in the make and model aircraft to be operated
3. Attend/complete 1 of 5 ASF courses in the preceding 12 months
related to:
a. Single pilot IFR
b. Datalink
c. Thunderstorms
d. IFR GPS
e. Runway Safety
Bob #40105
So close...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doerr, Ray R
[NTK]
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Insurance Renewal Time once again.
It's that time again when my Insurance Renewal is up on my
RV-10. I thought I would share with the group what I was just told
about how much it was going to cost me this year for insurance.
My RV-10 (N519RV) is currently insured with AIG. Last year
my premium was $3,144, for a hull value of $150,000. At the time of
that renewal, I was an Instrument rated pilot with roughly 300 hours
total time and 150 hours in make and model.
This year, (renewal on April 20, 2008) AIG's premium is
$2,714 for the same $150,000 hull value, that's $430 cheaper than last
year. That make me happy. And since I have been considering increasing
the hull value, I had them quote it for $170,000 hull value. That quote
came in at $3,018.
Now to compare, the quote for $150,000 with Global Aerospace
was $3,520
Now I just need to figure out if I wan't to increase the
hull value or not with AIG.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250)
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Insurance Renewal Time once again |
WAYNE, DO U MIND TELLING US HOW YOUNG U R AND WHO YOUR BROKER IS?? MY INSURANCE,
THROUGH NATIONAIR,? RENEWS THE 4TH WITH GLOBAL FOR $3163 AND HULL VALUE OF
$180K......SAME AS LAST YEAR. I AM 69, FLY A CORPORATE CITATION (have to pay for
the toys) 300 HOURS A YEAR, GO TO SIMUFLITE RECURRENCY EVERY 24 MONTHS, SEL,
MEL, ATP, 24,000 + HOURS,? 4 TYPE RATINGS, 600+ HOURS IN 2 PLACE RV's AND 120+
IN MY 10. THERE IS A SNAKE IN THE WOOD PILE SOMEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!? ALSO, I HAVE
NEVER HEARD OF THE DISCOUNT PROGRAMS SOME OF THE GUYS MENTIONED.
REGARDS,
DOUG PRESTON
N372RV
-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Edgerton <wayne.e@grandecom.net>
Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:31 pm
Subject: RV10-List: RE: Insurance Renewal Time once again
I also just received a quote for my insurance
renewal, which is coming up in June. Last year I had Jim Pappas as an agent and
he put me with AIG. I had the hull value at $200,000, a little low, with
$1,000,000 coverage. There is some small deductible amount. The premium was
$3,379?As many of you may know Jim decided to no longer be an insurance
agent so I went to EAA who got me a quote from Global & AIG for my
renewal.
?
I have about 2000 hours, about 100 in
type,?and I'm twin engine instrument rated with a glider rating, I don't
know if that helps or not. I've also completed the Wings program level 11. The
only reason I'm saying all of this is for comparison on quotes.
?
On the quotes that I just received it appears that
Global is a better choice for me. They have no deductible and several other
benefits that AIG doesn't and my new rate will be $2,950.
?
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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Rob,
I wasn't going to spill the beans, but I just responded to the beans
spiller.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 2, 2008, at 7:46 PM, RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
> Exact same wiring and connections........
>
> Everyone is under a gag order until Sun-n-Fun, so don't even try
> calling :)
>
> -Rob
>
>
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exciting news!
please tell when we can get more info off the web since I am not going
to be able to see it @ SnF, maybe you might give us a first hand review
after you get the gag off? ;-)
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: RobHickman@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems
Exact same wiring and connections........
Everyone is under a gag order until Sun-n-Fun, so don't even try
calling :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: paint shops AR |
Don't know about them, but I just got mine out of the painter's hands here
locally, and it is a stupendous job (Tullahoma, TN - THA)
Hope to have some pics to post next week. This was his first RV10 and he's
painting a turboprop Lancair at the moment. He will also be at his booth at
Sun ' Fun.
Loehle Aircraft
_www.loehle.com_ (http://www.loehle.com)
grumpy
N184JM / 40404
In a message dated 4/2/2008 9:48:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dlm46007@cox.net writes:
Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG painted
there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership since then. Any
current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow Matterhorn white base color
and
Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips , rudder tips, stripe, etc).
Particularily interested in the quality of work and the ability to meet time and
money committments
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
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Specific shop mentioned was AOG http://www.aogpaint.com/
I also plan to have my plane painted there. As a side note, my wife
discovered Scheme Designers at OSH a couple years ago and AOG is one of
their recommended shops. They also were in Aviation Consumer a year or
two ago as one of the top shops.
Bob
In a message dated 4/2/2008 9:48:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
dlm46007@cox.net writes:
Any user feedback on the paint shops at Mena AR? I had my 177RG
painted there in 1984 and 1999 but the shops have changed ownership
since then. Any current fedback? I am looking for a simple Jetglow
Matterhorn white base color and Deep Maroon trim (stab tips, wing tips ,
rudder tips, stripe, etc). Particularily interested in the quality of
work and the ability to meet time and money committments
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We will have a new web site up on Tuesday morning.
-Rob
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Also....
Autopilot
I just landed from testing our new autopilot GPS steering, it works really
good. We have some minor adjustments to do and then it should be ready for our
beta testers. You might even be able to fly home from Sun-n-Fun with it :)
It currently follows the bugs or NAV CDI (GPS, VOR, or ILS)
To fully use the interface you will need an Autopilot that supports GPS
steering, lateral and vertical. I have a Digitrak IIVSGV in my RV-4 and RV-10.
You will not be disappointed!!, it will be worth the wait.
Weather
We have XM weather!! It looks really good on the map screen.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | EFIS One Price Slashed!!! |
Well OK, I dropped it a little, and added OBO.
BLUE MOUNTAIN EFIS ONE $7,200 OBO FOR SALE Never flown, just back from BMA with
memory upgrade and a clean bill of health. This unit provides: Autopilot (servos
sold separately), ADI/HSI, compass, Airspeed, Altimeter, Altitude alerter,
encoder, VSI, Slip/Skid, Turn and Bank, Clock, OAT, GPS, Moving map, Navigation
database, Fuel totalizer, Flight data recorder, Fuel Level, Fuel Flow, Tachometer,
Manifold Press, Coolant Temp, Voltmeter, Oil Press, Oil Temp, CHT,
EGT, Ammeter, no need for vacuum system Asking less than 1/2 price of new, $7200
OBO Thanks Larry 602-363-2888 Charlie 602-763-7131
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C D Wambolt
RV-8 Fastback (Showplanes)
N8390
CHD (Chandler AZ)
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