---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/03/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: paint shops AR (Wayne Edgerton) 2. 11:56 AM - Re: AFS Systems (are neato) (Chris Johnston) 3. 01:21 PM - N789AB Flies Wheel Bearing Problem (Barry Marz) 4. 02:28 PM - Re: N789AB Flies Wheel Bearing Problem (Vernon Smith) 5. 05:45 PM - Re: Wing Stand (johngoodman) 6. 05:53 PM - Re: Sun-n-Fun (johngoodman) 7. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: Sun-n-Fun (Jesse Saint) 8. 07:36 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Re: Sun-n-Fun (Tom Ganster) 9. 07:54 PM - Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: Re: Sun-n-Fun (linn Walters) 10. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Sun-n-Fun (Marcus Cooper) 11. 11:51 PM - What it costs to build an RV10 (AirMike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:22 AM PST US From: "Wayne Edgerton" Subject: Re: RV10-List: paint shops AR GLO Custom in Roanoke, TX is doing RV's exclusively. www.glocustom.com Wayne Edgerton N602WT ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems (are neato) From: "Chris Johnston" I can't wait to see what you guys have in store. I had the opportunity to show another builder some of the neato-ness of the AF3400, and he was as impressed as I am. I'm also continually inpressed by the customer service, and responsiveness of Rob and company. Top notch. If you're checking out EFIS systems, I strongly suggest getting a demo of the unit - you won't be disappointed. There's more in the unit than their website shows! cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of RobHickman@aol.com Sent: Wed 4/2/2008 9:11 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems We will have a new web site up on Tuesday morning. -Rob (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv0003000000 0016) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:57 PM PST US From: Barry Marz Subject: RV10-List: N789AB Flies Wheel Bearing Problem First Flight. I had the front wheel installed I/A/W the plans. I had the small SS spacers and the axle was a little longer than the spacer width. I believe I got some shimmy and the spacers allowed a little side load on the bearing and it bent the cage on one set of bearings and locked the wheel up. Second Flight. I set the front wheel up I/A/W Tim's ideas and the big AL spacers and cut the axle back 1/16", so the spacers captured the bearings; and torqued the axle bolt to 190 in/lbs. I also ended up with the pre-load on the forks at +/- 32 lbs. It handled good and had no shimmy and I was able to taxi back to the hangar which is always a plus. I was going to change out the Al spacers for the SS spacers " down the road " but I would suggest that you do it before you fly; more important is cutting the axle back so there's pressure on the spacers and bearings and not the axle. FWIW On the second flight all CHT's were under 400'F and oil temp was 220'F with Sam James cowl and plenum. I will post full perf #'s and temps when I have 5 hrs on the engine. Barry Marz 18735 Baseleg AVE. FT. Myers, Fl 33917 239-567-2271 blalmarz@embarqmail.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:59 PM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: N789AB Flies Wheel Bearing Problem Barry, Congratulations on your first flight! Also thank you for the heads up on t he spacers and the oil temperatures. Vern Smith (#324 finishing) Don not archive > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > From: blalmarz@embarqmail.com > Subject: RV10-List: N789AB Flies Wheel Bearing Problem > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:18:02 -0400 > > > First Flight. I had the front wheel installed I/A/W the plans. I had > the small SS spacers and the axle was a little longer than the spacer > width. I believe I got some shimmy and the spacers allowed a little > side load on the bearing and it bent the cage on one set of bearings > and locked the wheel up. > Second Flight. I set the front wheel up I/A/W Tim's ideas and the big > AL spacers and cut the axle back 1/16", so the spacers captured the > bearings; and torqued the axle bolt to 190 in/lbs. I also ended up > with the pre-load on the forks at +/- 32 lbs. It handled good and had > no shimmy and I was able to taxi back to the hangar which is always a > plus. > I was going to change out the Al spacers for the SS spacers " down > the road " but I would suggest that you do it before you fly; more > important is cutting the axle back so there's pressure on the spacers > and bearings and not the axle. > FWIW On the second flight all CHT's were under 400'F and oil temp was > 220'F with Sam James cowl and plenum. I will post full perf #'s and > temps when I have 5 hrs on the engine. > Barry Marz > 18735 Baseleg AVE. > FT. Myers, Fl 33917 > 239-567-2271 > blalmarz@embarqmail.com > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Pack up or back up'use SkyDrive to transfer files or keep extra copies. L earn how. hthttp://www.windowslive.com/skydrive/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Ref resh_skydrive_packup_042008 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:13 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Wing Stand From: "johngoodman" I built mine like Larry & Tim did. Works great. I have plenty of shop room and if I was doing it again I would splurge a few more 2x4s and build a single one for each wing. That way you can get to the top easier (assuming top on inside). Riveting the flap gap fairings is the first time you'd like this; attaching the flaps and ailerons is another. Just a suggestion - if you have the room. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174694#174694 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:46 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun From: "johngoodman" I plan on arriving Tuesday afternoon and leaving Saturday morning. I'll be camping in the tent area - driving down. Willing to fill requests if asked. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174696#174696 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:44 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun Anybody going to Sun-N-Fun, if you want to meet up somewhere and chat, you have my cell phone number on all of my e-mails. Feel free to call. We (my family and I) will be hanging out in the campground in the evenings with an airpark group from Ft Meyers, one of which is an RV-10 builder. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:50 PM, johngoodman wrote: > > > > I plan on arriving Tuesday afternoon and leaving Saturday morning. > I'll be camping in the tent area - driving down. Willing to fill > requests if asked. > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174696#174696 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:16 PM PST US From: "Tom Ganster" Subject: RE: **Possible_Spam** Re: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun My wife and I will be there from Tues PM until Sun. We would love to get together with other 10 builders. Tom Ganster 40778 wings cell# 715-250-2675 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:11 PM Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun Anybody going to Sun-N-Fun, if you want to meet up somewhere and chat, you have my cell phone number on all of my e-mails. Feel free to call. We (my family and I) will be hanging out in the campground in the evenings with an airpark group from Ft Meyers, one of which is an RV-10 builder. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:50 PM, johngoodman wrote: > > > > I plan on arriving Tuesday afternoon and leaving Saturday morning. > I'll be camping in the tent area - driving down. Willing to fill > requests if asked. > > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174696#174696 > > Checked by AVG. 4:14 PM Checked by AVG. 4:14 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:08 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: **Possible_Spam** Re: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun We should plan on a time/place to meet each other. My Grumman group meets on the corner across from the cafe at noon and then go enjoy each others company over food. Something similar might work for us -10 builders. How about outside Van's booth at noon??? Worth a try!!! Linn Tom Ganster wrote: > >My wife and I will be there from Tues PM until Sun. We would love to get >together with other 10 builders. > Tom Ganster 40778 wings cell# 715-250-2675 > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint >Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 8:11 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: **Possible_Spam** Re: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun > > >Anybody going to Sun-N-Fun, if you want to meet up somewhere and chat, >you have my cell phone number on all of my e-mails. Feel free to >call. We (my family and I) will be hanging out in the campground in >the evenings with an airpark group from Ft Meyers, one of which is an >RV-10 builder. > >do not archive > >Jesse Saint >Saint Aviation, Inc. >jesse@saintaviation.com >Cell: 352-427-0285 >Fax: 815-377-3694 > >On Apr 3, 2008, at 7:50 PM, johngoodman wrote: > > >> >> >>I plan on arriving Tuesday afternoon and leaving Saturday morning. >>I'll be camping in the tent area - driving down. Willing to fill >>requests if asked. >> >>John >> >>-------- >>#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished >>N711JG reserved >> >> >> >> >>Read this topic online here: >> >>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174696#174696 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Checked by AVG. >4:14 PM > >Checked by AVG. >4:14 PM > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun If we get there in time on Friday we'll be living in an orange Harley Davidson tent. Hopefully we'll stay until Sunday morning. Please swing by and say hello, I'd like to meet some of you great RV-10 folks. Marcus -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 7:51 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sun-n-Fun I plan on arriving Tuesday afternoon and leaving Saturday morning. I'll be camping in the tent area - driving down. Willing to fill requests if asked. John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174696#174696 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:44 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: What it costs to build an RV10 From: "AirMike" I am getting to the light at the end of the money drain, and since I have been keeping careful records of costs, I figured that I would share them with those who may be considering the big move. It looks like my final cost will come in at around $155,000. Vans seems to move up the price about 3% per year, but 5% may be a better assumption in '08-09. I got nailed for an extra 5% on my Hartzell prop by ordering 2 weeks too late. Anyway - here s how it computes: 1. Engine - new IO540 Mattituck - OSH Special $39K 2. QB kit - Empenage - Fuse - Wings - Finish - FWF $55K 3. Panel 1x AFS3500 , TT Auto - Garmin MINIMUM IFR - GPS496 - $33K 4. Prop - Hartzell from vans $6500 5. Paint Reserves $8000 6. Interior Reserves $3500 Includes stuff like good vents $300 + paint This all adds up to $145,000 - where is the extra $10,000 to make $155K Well..........................Believe me these are the hardest of hard costs, It goes for paint (smoothprime $50/Qt) , Tools $3000, Builders training and assist, things like lights - parking brakes - mistakes - new tools - and the biggest expense FREIGHT which increases daily. I picked up my plane by making 2 trips to Vans. Paid $800 for a van/gas/lodging for the big QB pickup then about $500 for a trip for the FWF & Finish kit in my big SUV. I am not counting my trip to OSH where I got some great discounts. The biggest potential savings items are: 1. Engine - but be careful there - you can get shafted big time. I know one guy that bought one with the AD and wound up spending $45K for a used two cycle engine. I know another guy who got a run-out one for $6K 2. Paint - Do it yourself - Save about $5K 3. Panel - I am on the low side at 33K - many guys have the shops do panels for them that average about 70K and one ran $110K. I would not do a panel in this plane without a tru-trak autopilot and an SL30 4. Buy early and do not wait if you have the money and have started. I lost $300 on ordering the prop late. Good luck - it is a blast -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174748#174748 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.