RV10-List Digest Archive

Sat 04/05/08


Total Messages Posted: 19



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     1. 04:01 AM - FW: Jack Stands (David McNeill)
     2. 04:06 AM - Jack stand (David McNeill)
     3. 04:19 AM - jack stand (David McNeill)
     4. 04:24 AM - response (David McNeill)
     5. 05:43 AM - Re: Florida Use Tax (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
     6. 06:19 AM - Re: response (linn Walters)
     7. 06:25 AM - Re: Florida Use Tax (linn Walters)
     8. 07:26 AM - Re: Scat tube questions (Jesse Saint)
     9. 07:26 AM - sunscreens and covers (David McNeill)
    10. 08:13 AM - Re: Jack Stands (Albert Gardner)
    11. 08:20 AM - Re: sunscreens and covers (Jesse Saint)
    12. 09:48 AM - Re: sunscreens and covers (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
    13. 09:51 AM - Re: Jack Stands (John W. Cox)
    14. 09:54 AM - Re: Jack Stands (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
    15. 12:29 PM - Re: Jack Stands (Albert Gardner)
    16. 01:11 PM - jack pads (David McNeill)
    17. 03:09 PM - more FL use tax ..... again (linn Walters)
    18. 07:16 PM - Piper Clipper trade for raw RV10 kit (Matthew Collier)
    19. 09:01 PM - Re: sunscreens and covers (AirMike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:01:15 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Jack Stands
    > ______________________________________________ > From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 3:47 AM > To: 'rv10-list@matronics.com' > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands > > I see a couple of potential problems with your design. > (1) Standard aircraft jacks have mechanical locks and don't depend on > hydraulics to hold in place after the lift. > (2) The lift appears to be made and supported only on the steel bolt into > aluminum threads; on our QB wings there was a .100 gap between the skin > and the bottom of the fixture; the choice was enlarge the hole in the skin > or use a block of wood suitably padded with baffling material against the > spar. We chose a block aligned along the main spar. BTW, the jack pads > that Van supplies should be trashed. They are made of nylon and would > engage at most four threads. How Vans can supply a short nylon fitting to > support a 100K+ machine amazes me. > (3) wood will become dry and brittle over time and should be checked > regularly. > > _____________________________________________ > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:22 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Jack Stands > > Being a sort of cheap frugal type I made these stands out of $12 worth of > =BE plywood and 2 long rams from Harbor Freight on sale. > Seems to work OK. (base is 18=94 square.) > Albert Gardner > Yuma, AZ >


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    Time: 04:06:50 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: Jack stand
    Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: IMG_0030 security settings to determine how a10ttachments are handled.


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    Time: 04:19:51 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: jack stand
    One other comment I did not see it mentioned but a tail weight is necessary to hold the tail down. .


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    Time: 04:24:20 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: response
    Sorry about starting the jack stand thread again; my email was sorted alphabetically instead of by date.


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    Time: 05:43:04 AM PST US
    From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
    Subject: Florida Use Tax
    Hello, I think it's totally illegal to try to charge "use" tax on out of state aircraft. If that ever happened to me I would never pay. They have no leverage anyway against an out-of-state resident. I can't believe this attempt at robbery has not been struck down as unconstitutional right away! Brian, Eug, OR -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> I understand the same people who have been ripping off out-of-state aircraft owners are now saying No problem, come on in (said the spider to the fly) Im staying home this year. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: RV10-List: Florida Use Tax For those going to Sun & Fun it does not appear that there is any problem with the Florida use tax. FMI read: http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf Russ Daves N710RV- Flying RV-10 RV-7 Wings and Tail finished <html><body> <DIV>Hello,</DIV> <DIV>I think it's totally illegal to try to charge "use" tax on&nbsp; out of state aircraft. If that ever happened to me I would never pay. They have no leverage anyway against an out-of-state resident. I can't believe this&nbsp;attempt at robbery&nbsp;has not been struck down as unconstitutional right away!</DIV> <DIV>Brian, </DIV> <DIV>Eug, OR</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Albert Gardner" &lt;ibspud@roadrunner.com&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)" name=Generator> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} pre {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";} span.EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I understand the same people who have been ripping off out-of-state aircraft owners are now saying</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">No problem, come on in (said the spider to the fly)</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Im staying home this year.</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Albert Gardner</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yuma</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">AZ</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Russell Daves<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, April 04, 2008 4:30 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> rv10-list@matronics.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RV10-List: Florida Use Tax</SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">For those going to Sun &amp; Fun it does not appear that there is any problem with the Florida use tax.&nbsp; FMI read:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><A href="http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf">http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf</A></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Russ Daves</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">N710RV- Flying RV-10</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">RV-7 Wings and Tail finished</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></DIV><PRE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE><PRE style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT face="Courier New" color=black size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></B></PRE></DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?> </B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE> <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 06:19:42 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: response
    David McNeill wrote: > Sorry about starting the jack stand thread again; my email was sorted > alphabetically instead of by date. Quite allright ..... I didn't get the original!!! Linn do not archive > >


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    Time: 06:25:40 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Florida Use Tax
    cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote: > Hello, > I think it's totally illegal to try to charge "use" tax on out of > state aircraft. I would totally agree. FL isn't the only one ..... look at what Maine did to the poor guy who flies up for vacation!!! > If that ever happened to me I would never pay. They have no leverage > anyway against an out-of-state resident Actually, they do if they want to. States routinely share information ..... and collection ..... if the item is big enough or the guy is bored enough. > I can't believe this attempt at robbery has not been struck down as > unconstitutional right away! Making laws ..... including the bad ones is the job we give to our government. The only way bad laws disappear is if someone challenges them in court. It's far cheaper to live with bad laws (or find a way around them) than it is to hire an attorney. Linn do not archive > Brian, > Eug, OR > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com> > > I understand the same people who have been ripping off > out-of-state aircraft owners are now saying > > "No problem, come on in" (said the spider to the fly) > > I'm staying home this year. > > Albert Gardner > > Yuma, AZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Russell > Daves > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:30 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Florida Use Tax > > > > For those going to Sun & Fun it does not appear that there is any > problem with the Florida use tax. FMI read: > > > > http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080328fl.pdf > > > > Russ Daves > > N710RV- Flying RV-10 > > RV-7 Wings and Tail finished > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:26:07 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Scat tube questions
    It's like I say to people who comment on me eating ice cream and drinking Diet Coke at the same time. The ice cream is a given, so I might as well cut back on calories by drinking the Diet Coke instead of regular. In other words, those scat tube holes are given, so don't let more air leak out in unnecessary places than you absolutely can't avoid. Air going to your alternator is not wasted air, but air going out around the prop governor is. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 4, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Jay Rowe wrote: > I have the plane power 70 amp alternator. The installation manual > indicates that a 1" scat tube is needed for cooling---and there is > a 1" connection on the back. Where should I get that cooling air? > I also have the Lightspeed ignition for the upper plugs, and that > too asks for a scat tube. Since my console is located aft of the > firewall on the subpanel do I really need the cooling and, if so, > where do I get the cooling air for that item? > Those cooling items brings up another question. We are told that we > have to make our baffling as leak proof (see the last RVator where > it is recommeded to smooth the upper cowling for less leaking) as > possible but then we go and punch these huge holes for the various > scat tubes including the massive one for the oil cooler. I mean > what does a pinhole leak around the prop governor matter when you > are leaking huge amounts thru the various scat cooling holes? What > am I missing? Jay Rowe > >


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    Time: 07:26:28 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: sunscreens and covers
    Given that the 10 will sit outside at OSH, I am looking to protect the interior from heat damage. Since the aircraft is hangared in AZ what short term protection have pilots devised? My primary concern is he black glare shield which should heat rapidly.


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    Time: 08:13:07 AM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Jack Stands
    The comments directed toward my wooden base design jackstand (photo attached) are all valid. Mechanical locks seemed unnecessary because the only use so far has been to lift the mains just clear of the surface in order to align the wheel pants. I also changed a tire once but immediately placed blocks under the axle. The plane is supported entirely with the bolt which screws in about an inch and a half. On the other hand that=92s the same amount the tie-down ring screws in also. I don=92t think I=92d use this design if I was going to go into the jackstand business but it did seem adequate for personal use and cost about $90 for a pair using Harbor Freight rams. In some ways it=92s better than the commercial designs I looked at because the bolt screws into the tiedown ring support and goes into a hole in the top of the ram so it can=92t slip off unlike some expensive designs I=92ve see in use. =93NOTICE: DON=92T TOUCH THE PLANE-IT=92S ON JACKS!=94 Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill : RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands I see a couple of potential problems with your design. (1) Standard aircraft jacks have mechanical locks and don't depend on hydraulics to hold in place after the lift. (2) The lift appears to be made and supported only on the steel bolt into aluminum threads; on our QB wings there was a .100 gap between the skin and the bottom of the fixture; the choice was enlarge the hole in the skin or use a block of wood suitably padded with baffling material against the spar. We chose a block aligned along the main spar. BTW, the jack pads that Van supplies should be trashed. They are made of nylon and would engage at most four threads. How Vans can supply a short nylon fitting to support a 100K+ machine amazes me. (3) wood will become dry and brittle over time and should be checked regularly. _____________________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [ <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner : RV10-List: Jack Stands Being a sort of cheap frugal type I made these stands out of $12 worth of =BE plywood and 2 long rams from Harbor Freight on sale. Seems to work OK. (base is 18=94 square.) Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 08:20:47 AM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: sunscreens and covers
    I'd get a cabin cover from Bruce's or someone else that sells them. That keeps the sun off the interior. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 5, 2008, at 9:21 AM, David McNeill wrote: > Given that the 10 will sit outside at OSH, I am looking to protect > the interior from heat damage. Since the aircraft is hangared in AZ > what short term protection have pilots devised? My primary concern > is he black glare shield which should heat rapidly. > >


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    Time: 09:48:56 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: sunscreens and covers
    From: dougpflyrv@aol.com
    I BOUGHT AN EXTERNAL CANOPY COVER....ALSO SOME AUTO SUN SCREENS THAT ARE BETTER THAN NOTHING...SHORT TERM DP N372RV DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 9:21 am Subject: RV10-List: sunscreens and covers Given that the 10 will sit outside at OSH, I am looking to protect the interior from heat damage. Since the aircraft is hangared in AZ what short term protection have pilots devised? My primary concern is he black glare shield which should heat rapidly.


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    Time: 09:51:58 AM PST US
    Subject: Jack Stands
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Our aircraft at work require mechanical locks be set any time we walk away from the jacks. 1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day. When a jack lifting mechanism fails the lock is the last line of protection. The mechanical lock is a safety feature and our employer tells the FAA that "Safety is #1". The instructions and procedures for Jacking an Aircraft are just like doing a preflight run-up. The design of the equipment can be simple, the cost of construction inexpensive. The result, now that is important when it's my invested capital. YMMV. John Cox Oregon Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 8:08 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands The comments directed toward my wooden base design jackstand (photo attached) are all valid. Mechanical locks seemed unnecessary because the only use so far has been to lift the mains just clear of the surface in order to align the wheel pants. I also changed a tire once but immediately placed blocks under the axle. The plane is supported entirely with the bolt which screws in about an inch and a half. On the other hand that's the same amount the tie-down ring screws in also. I don't think I'd use this design if I was going to go into the jackstand business but it did seem adequate for personal use and cost about $90 for a pair using Harbor Freight rams. In some ways it's better than the commercial designs I looked at because the bolt screws into the tiedown ring support and goes into a hole in the top of the ram so it can't slip off unlike some expensive designs I've see in use. "NOTICE: DON'T TOUCH THE PLANE-IT'S ON JACKS!" Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill : RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands I see a couple of potential problems with your design. (1) Standard aircraft jacks have mechanical locks and don't depend on hydraulics to hold in place after the lift. (2) The lift appears to be made and supported only on the steel bolt into aluminum threads; on our QB wings there was a .100 gap between the skin and the bottom of the fixture; the choice was enlarge the hole in the skin or use a block of wood suitably padded with baffling material against the spar. We chose a block aligned along the main spar. BTW, the jack pads that Van supplies should be trashed. They are made of nylon and would engage at most four threads. How Vans can supply a short nylon fitting to support a 100K+ machine amazes me. (3) wood will become dry and brittle over time and should be checked regularly. _____________________________________________ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner : RV10-List: Jack Stands Being a sort of cheap frugal type I made these stands out of $12 worth of =BE plywood and 2 long rams from Harbor Freight on sale. Seems to work OK. (base is 18" square.) Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ


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    Time: 09:54:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Jack Stands
    From: dougpflyrv@aol.com
    I RECENTLY FOUND THIS JACK & STANDS ON BARNSTORMERS.COM. PLAN TO ORDER THEM MONDAY. THEY ARE SMALL & LIGHT ENOUGH TO CARRY ON BOARD. RV JACK AND JACK STAND =A2 AVAILABLE FOR SALE =A2 Jack and a pair of Jack Stands to service the wheel, tires and brakes This a Jack system it comes with a 4 ton Bottle Jack. Don't risk damaging your wings. The aircraft is very stable sitting on the stands. They are made from stainless steel that is laser cut and TIG welded. $150 =A2 Contact Sonny Poarch - SKUNKWORKS located Weirsdale, FL USA =A2 Telephone: 352 269-4370 =A2 Posted March 25, 2008 =A2 Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser =A2 Recommend This Ad to a Friend =A2 Email Advertiser =A2 Save to Watchlist =A2 Report This Ad =A2 View Larger Pictures -----Original Message----- From: Albert Gardner <ibspud@roadrunner.com> Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:07 am Subject: RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands The comments directed toward my wooden base design jackstand (photo attached) ar e all valid. Mechanical locks seemed unnecessary because the only use so far has been to lift the mains just clear of the surface in order to align the wheel pants. I also changed a tire once but immediately p laced blocks under the axle. The plane is supported entirely with the bolt which screws in about an inch and a half. On the other hand that=99s the sam e amount the tie-down ring screws in also. I don=99t think I=99d u se this design if I was going to go into the jackstand business but it did seem adeq uate for personal use and cost about $90 for a pair using Harbor Freight rams. In some ways it=99s better than the commercial designs I looked at becaus e the bolt screws into the tiedown ring support and goes into a hole in the top of the ram so it can=99t slip off unlike some expensive designs I =99ve see in use. =9CNOTICE: DON=99T TOUCH THE PLANE-IT=99S ON JACKS !=9D Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ =C2- -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill :=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- RE: RV10-List: Jack Stands I see a couple of potential problems with your design. (1) Standard aircraft jacks have mechanical locks and don't depend on hydraulics to hold in place after the lift. (2) The lift appears to be made and supported only on the steel bolt into aluminum threads; on our QB wings there was a .100 gap betwe en the skin and the bottom of the fixture; the choice was enlarge the hole in t he skin or use a block of wood suitably padded with baffling material against t he spar. We chose a block aligned along the main spar. BTW, the jack pads that Van supplies should be trashed. They are made of nylon and would engage at most four threads. How Vans can supply a short nylon fitting to support a 100K+ machine amazes me. (3) wood will become dry and brittle over time and should be checked regularly. _____________________________________________ From: =C2- owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]=C2- On Behalf Of Albert Gardner :=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2- RV10-List: Jack Stands Being a sort of cheap frugal type I made these stands out of $12 worth of =C2=BE plywood and 2 long rams from Harbor Freigh t on sale. Seems to work OK. (base is 18=9D square.) Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ =C2- [Image Removed]


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    Time: 12:29:53 PM PST US
    From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
    Subject: Jack Stands
    Aircraft Spruce- and I think Van's also-sell an RV Jack that slips in the hollow axle after the nut comes off as this one does. A small bottle jack is then used to lift the plane far enough to change a tire. It looks like this jack works the same but also includes a stand. Having had a couple of flat tires I can point out some difficulties that need to be overcome. 1. With a flat tire the wheel pant is going to be against the ground hiding the lower screws. A wing jack works well but none of these axle jacks will work until you get the pant off. I installed hex headed screws in the lower position of the pant but it's still tough to get them out and the pant off with a flat tire. On the front you just need to accumulate enough weight to hold the tail down for tire repair. A wing jack will have to lift a lot farther than an axle jack to get the wheel clear of the ground. A 2 ton bottle jack is sufficient if it has the required stroke length. 2. After the wheel is removed you need to hold the plane up. I carried some short pieces of redwood 2x4"s, stacked them up a placed under the axle after the wheel was removed. Some redwood is very light and I kept the redwood and the RV jack in the plane. Looks like this jackstand would do the trick also. 3. You probably will need some help from others to do any tire repair or replacements other than patching and filling a tube so maybe you could lean on them for the jacks and stands also saving yourself money and the trouble of carrying stuff around. One flat tire was at Albany, OR and needed a tube and tire and happened in front of the FBO, the other was at Needles, CA on a VERY HOT day and (the baggage carpet came in very handy) required a tube although a patch may have worked as a temporary fix. In both cases air was required so a hand pump and gage are necessary items in your tool kit. Remember you need tools to remove and split the wheel also. 4. So, how much are we going to carry? Jacks, tools, tubes, tires, etc. Or, keep this stuff at home, throw yourself on the mercy of fellow avnuts when you travel, and when RV's (or other less fortunate home builders) in trouble land at your home field you can save them. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dougpflyrv@aol.com I RECENTLY FOUND THIS JACK & STANDS ON BARNSTORMERS.COM. PLAN TO ORDER THEM MONDAY. THEY ARE SMALL & LIGHT ENOUGH TO CARRY ON BOARD. <http://barnstormers.com/classified_192277_RV+Jack+and+Jack+Stand.html?PH PSE SSID=7f18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> RV JACK AND JACK STAND . AVAILABLE FOR SALE . Jack and a pair of Jack Stands to service the wheel, tires and brakes This a Jack system it comes with a 4 ton Bottle Jack. Don't risk damaging your wings. The aircraft is very stable sitting on the stands. They are made from stainless steel that is laser cut and TIG welded. $150 . Contact Sonny Poarch - SKUNKWORKS located Weirsdale, FL USA . Telephone: 352 269-4370 . Posted March 25, 2008 . <http://barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=29277&PHPSE SSID=7f 18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> Show all Ads posted by this Advertiser . <http://barnstormers.com/recommend.php?id=192277&title=RV+Jack+and+Ja ck+Stan d&PHPSESSID=7f18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> Recommend This Ad to a Friend . Email Advertiser . <http://barnstormers.com/ad_manager/watchlist.php?ADD=192277&PHPSESSID= 7f183 46dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> Save to Watchlist . <http://barnstormers.com/report_ad.php?id=192277&title=RV+Jack+and+Ja ck+Stan d&PHPSESSID=7f18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> Report This Ad . <http://barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=192277&go_to_images=1&PHPSE SSID=7f 18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> View Larger Pictures <http://barnstormers.com/images/1x1.gif> <http://barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=192277&go_to_images=1&PHPSE SSID=7f 18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a> <http://barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=192277&go_to_images=1&PHPSE SSID=7f 18346dbd3ff14c4d9e6ad1fe47c70a>


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    Time: 01:11:58 PM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: jack pads
    I concur that it is impossible/impractical to carry jacks in the aircraft. Away from home the FBO will usually allow use of his equipment. Once at Austin's premier FBO, I was offered the free use of their hangar and tools because they did not have any maintenance procedures for a Glastar. Anyway I carry about 30 pounds of tools and spare parts but do not carry bigger/heavier tools.I beg/borrow those and do lots of preventative maintenance at home.


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    Time: 03:09:19 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: more FL use tax ..... again
    If anyone is still interested, I found this on the Sun-N-Fun site: http://www.sun-n-fun.org/content/interior.asp?section=flyin&body=flasalestax Linn do not archive


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    Time: 07:16:13 PM PST US
    From: "Matthew Collier" <ivdiggs@gmail.com>
    Subject: Piper Clipper trade for raw RV10 kit
    Hello all, I'm new to the list and have a need for an RV 10 kit. I'm in the process of selling my beautiful PA-16 Piper Clipper N108PC for the sole purpose of buying an RV 10 kit. If anyone has a kit they are interested in trading for a great flying, great condition and ready to go Clipper please let me know. Pictures of the Clipper are on Barnstormers if interested. http://barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search&PHPSESSID=995a914b537ac815b91292cf97262744 Thanks, Matthew Collier 541-419-5634 ivdiggs@gmail.com


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    Time: 09:01:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: sunscreens and covers
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    Most people in the know and the USAF avoid the canvas sun covers, even the ones with the softy interior side. The assumption is that even the softy side accumulates grit which grinds against your windows. The Kennon or Kennon style shades are the best as far as I know. They stay in place and really protect from the heat. WalMart even sells the fold-over round covers that do a good job on my car. The big deal is that you want to avoid scratching your windows. Check out Kennons web site http://kennoncovers.com/pricelist.htm I do not want to necessarily promote them as they are quite expensive, but so are your windows. I believe that the PLASTIC COATED Kennon type product is available bulk but be sure that it has the interior plastic coating otherwise the aluminum will scratch the windows. I am not sure that Kennon even makes it's own raw material. They may only buy the product and laser cut it and put a border on it. (The border is nice) -------- OSH '08 or Bust Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175040#175040




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