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1. 12:45 AM - ATP plug (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 12:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
3. 01:08 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
4. 03:37 AM - Re: Door handles (Bob Leffler)
5. 04:12 AM - Re: RV Grin (Bob Leffler)
6. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: NVFR avionics help (Rodger Todd)
7. 05:16 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Testement)
8. 05:18 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
9. 06:16 AM - Re: RV Grin (gary)
10. 06:44 AM - Re: P-Mag! (marcausman)
11. 06:56 AM - 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees (Pascal)
12. 07:05 AM - Re: Air field flow for the 10 (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: NVFR avionics help (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: RV Grin (Deems Davis)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Door handles (Steven DiNieri)
16. 08:54 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (SteinAir, Inc.)
17. 08:58 AM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Bill DeRouchey)
19. 09:26 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 09:46 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
21. 09:49 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Tim Olson)
22. 10:07 AM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
23. 11:24 AM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
24. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Larry Rosen)
25. 01:04 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John Ackerman)
26. 02:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Scott Schmidt)
27. 03:02 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (Patrick Thyssen)
28. 03:14 PM - Engine Special (Jeff Carpenter)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Tim Olson)
30. 03:39 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rene Felker)
31. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (PJ Seipel)
32. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes ()
33. 03:47 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (McGANN, Ron)
34. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Deems Davis)
35. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Bob Leffler)
36. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Steven DiNieri)
37. 05:09 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
38. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John W. Cox)
39. 05:24 PM - Re: Garmin 1000 additions (John W. Cox)
40. 05:48 PM - Re: AFS Systems (Rick Sked)
41. 05:59 PM - Re: Engine Special (John Cram)
42. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
43. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Larry Rosen)
44. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (David McNeill)
45. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: P-Mag! (Jesse Saint)
46. 07:49 PM - Re: Engine Special (Pascal)
47. 07:54 PM - Re: Door handles (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
48. 07:58 PM - Doors coming off (Chris and Susie McGough)
49. 08:04 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (Rick Sked)
50. 08:14 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Tim Olson)
51. 08:26 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Ben Westfall)
52. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (Marcus Cooper)
53. 08:35 PM - Re: RV Grin (Marcus Cooper)
54. 08:42 PM - Re: Doors coming off (David McNeill)
55. 09:11 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John W. Cox)
56. 09:15 PM - Re: Engine stop tests. (John W. Cox)
57. 09:33 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Perry, Phil)
58. 10:36 PM - Re: Doors coming off (Kelly McMullen)
59. 10:59 PM - Re: Re: The King has no Clothes (John Ackerman)
60. 11:25 PM - Re: Doors coming off (John Dunne)
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Just recieved visors from Aviation Tech Products. Came within 10 days to
Australia and answered all questions .
Great service.
Chris 388
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install
> the very excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to
> install and adjust, but they are really sweet and center the
> closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing your
> door plus the whole install feels very strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
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Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:33 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Door handles
With all the talk about the doors I've been doing some thinking regarding
the factory setup vs the aftermarket handles. I like the flush look and
operation of the handles like Hendricks and others but the lack of a
positive locking detent really makes me nervous.
I also want a way to lock the doors so they can't be opened by any
passerby. The is especially important with the TSA rumblings that all GA
aircraft must have locked doors. It's not a law yet but I wouldn't be
surprised to see it conceded to stop something bigger. Frankly having the
kind of investment in these aircraft that we do it's a bit silly to not have
the doors locked somehow. I know, if a thief really wants in he will get
in. But a thief also isn't going to stop at a plane with locks if a better
target is around or if it will take too long or be too noticeable to
circumvent them.
So to that end someone had posted a while back a way to make a baggage
door lock work with the standard Van's door handles. Anyone still have the
links to that?
Michael
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Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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Great news Gary!
I'm looking forward to seeing you, Brenda, and both your RVs this summer.
My wife is definitely coming and is anxious to meet all the RV-10 spouses.
Please let us know how your Phase I goes.
See ya in 109 days!
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
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| Subject: | Re: NVFR avionics help |
Hi Chris,
You'll need to replace (or add to) the SL-40 with an SL-30 which will give you
a TSO'd VOR/LOC/GS. To this you will have to add an MD200 series CDI to maintain
the TSO.
Why don't you contact Jake (can't find his e-mail address at the moment) to confirm
that you don't need anything else avionics wise? Also why noit try the Oz
RV Yahoo group site?
Looking forward to hearing about the first flight - Spring is in the air!
Rodger
--- On Wed, 9/4/08, Chris and Susie McGough <VHMUM@bigpond.com> wrote:
> From: Chris and Susie McGough <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, 9 April, 2008, 8:13 AM
> McGough" <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Mike ....my 10 is just about ready to fly and as per email
> you can see my
> current setup and wanted to go from there.
>
> thanks anyway regards Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:39 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: NVFR avionics help
>
>
> "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> >
> > Obviously you are going through the time consuming
> process of panel
> > planning. After beating around the bush for 2 months,
> I went with the SL30
> > as most of the threads here also indicate. I tried for
> a long time to save
> > the extra two thousand plus dollars on the SL40 (radio
> only). I finally
> > realized that it was false economy. Yes(Ron) you do
> need the additional
> > CDI and Glide slope lights. The AFS3500 has (built in)
> the CDI indicators
> > for guidance but you also need an audio panel for the
> Marker Beacon
> > lights. Yes that is another $1000. My panel is being
> finished by the very
> > nice folks at Aerotronics in Billings, MT. While I
> have not yet received
> > the panel, I am very impressed with the excellent
> customer interaction and
> > pro-active approach that Aerotronic takes. I got three
> bids on my panel,
> > but went with them on my intuition and the advice of a
> member of the EAA
> > advisory panel. I will give another report after I P/U
> the panel later
> > this month. This is my thinking that this a a !
> > serous NVFR panel and will get me out of trouble if
> caught in IFR
> > conditions. It seem to be a very cost effective setup.
> Probably could save
> > more with Dynon
> >
> > AFS3500 (1x)
> > Garmin SL30 Nav/Com
> > Garmin 327 Mode "C" Transponder
> > Garmin 340 Audio
> > Garmin 496
> > Digiflight II VS
> > Trutrak B/U ADI Backup 2.25"
> > UMA Altimeter Backup 2.25"
> > UMA A/S Backup 2.25"
> > Xaon XRX TCAS Beta (talks to 496)
> > PAI Vertical Card compass
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust
> > Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> >
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175661#175661
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
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Like all builders, I need to tackle the honey-do list. I have been lax in
that area.
Gary
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary! That's fantastic news. Now, since you like building
so much, what is the next project going to be? :-)
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 8, 2008, at 7:07 PM, gary wrote:
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
<RV Grin.jpg>
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Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are a few
pix.
Gary
40274
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV Grin
Congratulations Gary - let's see some more pix.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
Checked by AVG.
4/8/2008 7:30 AM
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I've had them for about 320 hours on my RV-7. Early on I had two failures and a
third (which was my fault, you have to be very careful making the ignition wires).
So I replaced one with a slick mag. The difference between the slick mag
and the p-mag are very obvious when running the engine on only one mag (for
testing, run-up etc.). Along the way, Brad and Tom were very helpful.
More importantly, though, the last 160 hours or so have been flawless. So I can
only deduce that they've worked out the bugs, at least based on my experience.
If and when I build an RV-10 I'll put them on for sure.
--------
Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175686#175686
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| Subject: | 2 blade Hartzell- SnF attendees |
SnF Attendees;
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/pr_htm/pr_11_09_07.htm
Could someone walk over to Hartzell and ask if the 2 blade Carbon blade
would be a good option for the RV-10? If so what would be needed to get
one? I am thinking although it's for the Diamond DA40 now, Hartzell may
provide it for other aircraft as well. Since the three blade is in the
Cirrus this blade may very well work for us.
Thanks!
Pascal
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| Subject: | Air field flow for the 10 |
Bob,
RV6 pressure plot attached. The pressure areas on our 10's should be
very similar if your using the stock cowl. The pressure does change
depending on angle of attack. Here is another good site with lots of
pressure data. Different airframe but the basic principles apply.
http://www.melmoth2.com/
Bobby Hughes
40116
I am in the process of working the intake and exhaust heat flow and am
wondering if anyone has done a field flow on the RV-10. It makes sense
for air to exhaust into a low pressure area and enter in a high pressure
area.
Hense the need for the air field flow, if that is what it is called.
Thanks in advance
Bob K
Baby steps along once I hit the finishing part.
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| Subject: | Re: NVFR avionics help |
KX 155 with a CDI would be pretty inexpensive compared to a TSO'd GPS and
may give you good situational and back up...
(http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)
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Gary, your work speaks for itself!
Deems
gary wrote:
>
> Unlike Deems I am not a very good documenter of my work, but here are
> a few pix.
>
>
>
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Bob,
i make all my own parts. They are modified versions I made for
myself and decided to offer on the website. Check the site often as I'm
adding new stuff all the time. Next up are lightweight fiberglass interior
trim panels, and a leather interior handle cover.
steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator trim
bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you reselling
Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but in
a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for the rv10.
My design allows the latching system to remain in place as vans designed.
when i started designing the handles the primary idea was to leave all the
door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the outside handle, just in
a different position. they also allow standard lock cylinders for locking
(just like the Hendricks) and i am introducing on the website this week a
flush stainless lock system for all rv10's. easily installed into even
flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches and
the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming from
here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a bit
washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system is
telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I don't
really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data fields
ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable
mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front of you
I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or at
least that's my personal take on it.
Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different ways at
looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath we
all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit biased......sorry
to call you out TimO! :)
Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and others will
not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified terrain
available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and all in
fun as typical!@ :)
Cheers,
Stein
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>
>
>The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>the system.
>
>The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>
>But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. Theyve added some
>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Michael*
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
John,
99 gets you parts for both doors, aluminum sockets, stainless pins
with magnets, 10-32 stainless allen-screws and platenuts. Includes priority
shipping (3 day) usps.
Thanks steve
Iflyrv10.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Testement
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:14 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
Steve,
How much for a set?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
When I went to install a set in my rv10, I modified them to be much easier
to install. After seeing my mods coupled with the shipping delays I was
asked to reproduce a similar product by a few builders. I think they are a
very good anchor for the door rods to latch into, and should add a margin of
strength to the latch mech. I do offer them on my website (available
immediately ;) sorry for the commercial announcement, I just want all to
know there are options...
Steve dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:59 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
>
> I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very
> excellent Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust,
> but they are really sweet and center the closure on the door giving a
> positive feel when closing your door plus the whole install feels very
> strong
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
Checked by AVG.
7:10 AM
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| Subject: | Engine stop tests. |
Something that I was playing with (experimenting is too strong a word) is when
the engine dies (in my case idling) and is still turning - if you pull the prop
out the RV10 takes a leap forward. Does the glide range increase with the prop
all the way out? Is this in fact the standard emergency procedure with a constant
speed prop?
It seems that the engine turning would power the oil pump and could turn the
blades to full coarse decreasing the drag.
Any comments? My previous constant speed prop experience was just sufficient
to get my high performance signoff.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Fabulous detail and invaluable research. We need more of this stuff and
less accident reporting. By the way, did you go with the stock James
engine cowl?
The Warbirds acts as breathtaking as the setting at Wanaka. See you for
OSH '08.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Hi
I would like to report on some tests we did this evening.
We wanted to know what would happen when the engine stops. In flight!
We have a Barratts IO540, standard compression, with the MT 3 blade
prop, dual mags.
The object of the exercise was to see just what happens when the fuel
runs out in one tank, and how easy it is to re-start.
First exercise was to practise some forced landings in case we really
couldn't restart it. So complete with clearance from our local
Airforce base, and with one of their squadron leaders in the right
hand seat, the tower fully briefed on what we were doing, off we set
to 5000ft.
There was a relatively strong wind of about 35 knots at 2000ft & 25
gusting 30 on the ground . So we came up a bit short (just a bit) on
the runway. I was reminded then that I need to practice forced
landings from all heights, not just pattern (or circuit) height.
Then it was back up to 5000ft.
Cool the engine a bit, then ( all in controlled airspace I hasten to
add), we cut mixture to full idle cut off. The engine just kept on
going at about 500 rpm in the glide at about 80 knots or so, so
eventually with full flap, and mushing down at about 55 knots, we
managed to finally get it to stop. It's certainly odd seeing the prop
stopped, and the ground so far below. Yes we do know that it is less
than ideal for the prop to drive the engine, but we wanted to do the
tests. There is no doubt that if the engine stops, the glide rate is
about 200 ft/m better with the prop in full course.
So it was full rich, full fine, and about 1/2 inch. Fuel pump on, a
flick of the starter and away it went. So no problems there at all.
The next test was a bit harder, because we wanted to check if we could
start the engine without the starter (just in case of a flat battery /
broken starter etc.) I've had two occasions where the engine started,
but the starter failed in the process. So I was unable to restart.
With the prop stopped again, we went flaps up, full rich,full fine,
1/2 inch on the throttle and entered a dive.
The prop looked as if someone was trying to hand swing it (though at
4500ft and rapidly decreasing, that was unlikely!)
After a few seconds it finally passed TDC, then again, and eventually
it did restart after having lost about 2600ft, and at a speed of about
130-150 knots.
Very quickly it builds up revs, so pulling back on stick & throttle we
were quickly under control. But it is not something you will get away
with under 3000ft.
Our final test was to deliberately run out of fuel. With plenty in the
other tank!
So we simply cruised around for a further 15 mins or so, until finally
the engine cooughed & spluttered. There was plenty of time to switch
pump on and change tanks and away she went. So no dramas at all.
Having completed our tests it was back up to 7000ft t play on the
overcast for a short while.
So in conclusion, there is nothing to be feared about running a tank
dry. So long as the starter works, or you have sufficient height.
However, if you have totally run out of fuel, it will happily continue
to turn. So bearing in mind you have little or no oil pressure, then
there is very little time to coursen up the prop to minimise drag. And
if you are thinking of saving the engine on your forced landing, then
you need to drop the flap and stall for a while to get the engine to
stop.
So what a fun evening. Just wish I had taken the camera with me.
If anyone else has done such tests, it would be great to hear from
you. Or if anyone has any other thoughts on such matters.
Neil
ps- Take off with Sarah PIC at Warbirds over Wanaka a couple of weeks
back. Osh may be bigger, but Wanaka surely has the best setting
anywhere for an airshow.
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Which actually brings up another thing that I started harping on a few years back.
Is Chelton going to get rid of the wireframe terrain for something a little
less, well, ugly? They are the low man on the display pole nowadays.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming from
here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a bit
washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system is
telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I don't
really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data fields
ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable
mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front of you
I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or at
least that's my personal take on it.
Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different ways at
looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath we
all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit biased......sorry
to call you out TimO! :)
Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and others will
not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified terrain
available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and all in
fun as typical!@ :)
Cheers,
Stein
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>
>
>The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>the system.
>
>The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>
>But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added some
>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Michael*
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 additions |
Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems
that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
though first.
The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
that they added it is a big bonus.
I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
on the same standards.
It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
so it's definitely a good thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming from
> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a bit
> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system is
> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I don't
> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data fields
> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable
> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front of you
> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or at
> least that's my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different ways at
> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath we
> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit biased......sorry
> to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and others will
> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified terrain
> available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and all in
> fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>> the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. Theyve added some
>>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Michael*
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 additions |
Personally I think there's a reasoning behind the wire
frame and other than maybe smoothing it a bit, I'd prefer
they keep it closer to the way it is than what some of
them are going to. Right now it's functional and safe,
and pretty isn't the concern. Yeah, I was amazed 4
years ago by BMA's stuff too, but at the time I wasn't
thinking about some of the side effects of getting fancy
with the colors....and actually, these days some of the
manufacturers are going a little far with the glitz
IMHO. There's got to be a happy medium some where that
would add to safety but still be nicer looking.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Which actually brings up another thing that I started harping on a
> few years back. Is Chelton going to get rid of the wireframe terrain
> for something a little less, well, ugly? They are the low man on the
> display pole nowadays.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir,
> Inc. Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:54 AM To:
> rv10-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>
>
> <stein@steinair.com>
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming
> from here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does
> appear a bit washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out
> because the system is telling us we're about to fly into a granite
> cloud. At that point I don't really care what direction the plane is
> aiming (or what the data fields ultimately say), as long as it
> doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable mountain in front of me! If
> the screen is turning blood red in front of you I doubt any of us
> will much care what is in any of the data field - or at least that's
> my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different
> ways at looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the
> same breath we all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee
> bit biased......sorry to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and
> others will not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems
> having certified terrain available to us it just makes the entire
> market even more attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and
> all in fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers, Stein
>
>> -----Original Message----- From:
>> owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely
>> improves the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design on
>> some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields
>> well, then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to
>> make for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before
>> glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people much
>> better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive
>>
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added
>>> some very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably
>>> only a matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Michael*
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted
and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player
at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and
W&B latitude.
King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.
The timing would be great.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems
that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
though first.
The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
that they added it is a big bonus.
I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
on the same standards.
It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
so it's definitely a good thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming
from
> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a
bit
> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system
is
> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I
don't
> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data
fields
> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable
> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front
of you
> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or
at
> least that's my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different
ways at
> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath
we
> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
biased......sorry
> to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and
others will
> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified
terrain
> available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and
all in
> fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>> the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added some
>>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Michael*
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine stop tests. |
The glide definitely got better at full coarse, but when it stopped,
there was obviously no oil pressure, and so we were unable to change
pitch. I have no idea if it's standard proceedure, but it was what I
was taught to do.
Neil
ZK-RVT
Not flying - sitting at a computer instead. However, both Sarah & I
did our first night flying last night. It was great. Although as
virtually no one in NZ is RV 10 rated, we had to revert to C152's -
aarrgghh. Although it was a bit like meeting a crusty old family
friend. There is no doubt that we are spoiled with Vans. I really did
miss the EFIS & GPS though.
On 10/04/2008, at 4:09 AM, Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Something that I was playing with (experimenting is too strong a
> word) is when the engine dies (in my case idling) and is still
> turning - if you pull the prop out the RV10 takes a leap forward.
> Does the glide range increase with the prop all the way out? Is this
> in fact the standard emergency procedure with a constant speed prop?
>
> It seems that the engine turning would power the oil pump and could
> turn the blades to full coarse decreasing the drag.
>
> Any comments? My previous constant speed prop experience was just
> sufficient to get my high performance signoff.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
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Have they released a Lyc 6 cylinder model? I know they have been
developing one. Maybe one of you at Sun-N-Fun could fill us in. Thye
are in building D space #93.
Larry
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> I think Jesse only builds RV-10's so I doubt it. They are just now releasing
their 6cyl models so I don't think there have been any significant hours built
up to give a good idea on their MTBF. If you search various archives of the
4cyl homebuilts you will find a lot's of references from one extreme to the
other. Overall they seem to have an excellent idea but have been plagued with
lots of gremlins in their design. Many people have had no problems but it seems
an equal number of people have had consistent problems.
>
> I for one really hope they get all their problems licked and end up with a
solid product. Lots of potential there and they seem to e steadily improving.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:22 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
>
>
> Jesse,
>
> Can you share any experiences you have had with the PMags? Put any in your planes?
Any recent problems that you are aware of?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick
>
> --------
> Nick Leonard
> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175573#175573
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin 1000 additions |
Respectfully disagree, John.
For me, there are already too darn many wires and connections!
do not archive
John Ackerman 40458
On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:03 AM, John W. Cox wrote:
> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely
> mounted
> and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player
> at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and
> W&B latitude.
>
> King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.
> The timing would be great.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>
>
> Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
> enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
> Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
> graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
> and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
> re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems
> that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
> the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
> L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
> though first.
>
> The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
> that they added it is a big bonus.
>
> I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
> MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
> crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
> them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
> good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
> I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
> the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
> standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
> on the same standards.
>
> It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
> so it's definitely a good thing.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>> <stein@steinair.com>
>>
>> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming
> from
>> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does
>> appear a
> bit
>> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system
> is
>> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I
> don't
>> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data
> fields
>> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big
>> immovable
>> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front
> of you
>> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field -
>> or
> at
>> least that's my personal take on it.
>>
>> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different
> ways at
>> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same
>> breath
> we
>> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
> biased......sorry
>> to call you out TimO! :)
>>
>> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and
> others will
>> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified
> terrain
>> available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
>>
>> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and
> all in
>> fun as typical!@ :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stein
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>>
>>>
>>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>>> the system.
>>>
>>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>>>
>>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added
>>>> some
>>>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>>>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *Michael*
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where it
threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the standard
rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I cannot imagine why anyone flying an RV10 does not install the very excellent
Rivethead door pins. They are tedious to install and adjust, but they are really
sweet and center the closure on the door giving a positive feel when closing
your door plus the whole install feels very strong
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175658#175658
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
John,
You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the OP booth
at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back again. Would like
to hear anything new?
Patrick Thyssen
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely mounted
and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only player
at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design and
W&B latitude.
King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.
The timing would be great.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems
that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
though first.
The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
that they added it is a big bonus.
I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
on the same standards.
It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
so it's definitely a good thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming
from
> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear a
bit
> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system
is
> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I
don't
> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data
fields
> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big immovable
> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in front
of you
> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field - or
at
> least that's my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different
ways at
> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same breath
we
> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
biased......sorry
> to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and
others will
> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified
terrain
> available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and
all in
> fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>> the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design
>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well,
>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to make
>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added some
>>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *Michael*
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Vans has a nice discount on three (was four, but I just bought one)
XIO-540-D4A5 engines just posted on the website.
On your marks... get set... go!
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
That was my concern as well. I really would like to do it but
it would be nice to get the pins in hand so you can see exactly
where the threaded connection is. I'd really prefer to have 4 or
6 inches of pin before the threaded area, because I don't want
to tap my pins, and then have that junction crack, the pin to
fall out of the main rod, and then have the door come off.
With enough pin both inside the door and inside the frame though
that is one solid piece, I'd have no worry.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
> installing them.
> Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point
> where it threads in?
> Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than
> the standard rods?
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
My general comment would be no, I do not have any concerns. The end of the
rod was already threaded per plans and all I did was fill them. ( Not
exactly since I cut and threaded the rods again to shorten them.) But, they
are not real tight. After 25 flight hours and the web traffic from last
week, I inspected them and did not see any signs of wear. I rechecked their
alignment and put some locktite on the threads. I installed mine per the
video and thus they do not extend all the way into the cabin frame, only
into the block itself. I am re-thinking that.....
Also, when you install the blocks there is very little room between the AL
blocks and the nylon blocks in the door. I had to cut down the blocks on
the door just to get the door to close. I think this closer tolerance helps
to reduce the stress on the rod itself.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
I am concerned about it. Not sure how to fix it though.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
> installing them.
> Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point
> where it threads in?
> Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than
> the standard rods?
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
Scott:
You just cut off the pointed end of the rod, and tap it with a 5/16-24 tap,
screw the point in, and set it with some lok-tite. Works like a charm.
Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
RV-10 40486 Slow-build Eggenfellner E-6TI
Naperville, Illinois
Finishing kit, engine install
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Yes - get rid of the blasted wires. Bring on the distributed avionics
with Bluetooth or 802.11 connectivity!! Won't get rid of the power lines
until they introduce miniature fusion batteries that deliver endless
power <grin>, or the analog sensor lines (like CHT,EGT, OAT stall, trim
annunc etc), but would be a great way of eliminating those #22-#24AWG
wires and the panel interconnect nightmare!
cheers
Ron
187
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Ackerman
Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Respectfully disagree, John.
For me, there are already too darn many wires and connections!
do not archive
John Ackerman 40458
On Apr 9, 2008, at 10:03 AM, John W. Cox wrote:
> <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely
> mounted and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the
> only player at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more
> design and W&B latitude.
>
> King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned C-182.
> The timing would be great.
>
> John
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>
>
> Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
> enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;) Personally,
> I think that there are downsides to tweaking the graphics out too
> much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable and clean. But, with
> the direction they're now headed, if I were re-planning a panel, I can
> now say that there are 2 (or 3) systems that I might consider....The
> G900, the L3, and the Chelton are the ones that I'd be seriously
> looking at. I'd like to see
> L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes though
> first.
>
> The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact that they
> added it is a big bonus.
>
> I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the MicroSoft
> of the avionics industry. With the proprietary crap they pull, people
> end up getting to be 100% reliant on them and their integrateable
> items, so even when they make some good moves, a little part of me
> still cringes in that regards.
> I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all the
> other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication standards
> were all open and they all were forced to integrate on the same
> standards.
>
> It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago, so it's
> definitely a good thing.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>> <stein@steinair.com>
>>
>> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is coming
> from
>> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does appear
>> a
> bit
>> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the system
> is
>> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that point I
> don't
>> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the data
> fields
>> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big
>> immovable mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red
>> in front
> of you
>> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data field -
>> or
> at
>> least that's my personal take on it.
>>
>> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are different
> ways at
>> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same
>> breath
> we
>> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
> biased......sorry
>> to call you out TimO! :)
>>
>> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it and
> others will
>> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having certified
> terrain
>> available to us it just makes the entire market even more attractive!
>>
>> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit and
> all in
>> fun as typical!@ :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Stein
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>>
>>>
>>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the G900X.
>>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely improves
>>> the system.
>>>
>>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super hi-res type
>>> color patterning. I think too many companies try to stretch to the
>>> "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious design on some of
>>> that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on displaying
>>> graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo with the big red and
>>> orange mountain, and see how the compass in the center looks.....I
>>> understand they're trying to figure out how to improve it already,
>>> but man, if you can't see the text and data fields well, then you're
>>> really looking at some safety downfalls all to make for a pretty
>>> display. Safety and functionality before glitter.
>>>
>>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level that
>>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people much
>>> better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>>> Looks like Garmin is sleeping on the job either. They've added
>>>> some
>>>> very nice synthetic vis and HITS to the G1000. Probably only a
>>>> matter of time before it trickles down to the G900.
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *http://www.aopa.org/pilot/firstlook/080408garminsvs.html*
>>>>
>>>> * *
>>>>
>>>> *Michael*
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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The one thing about the Rivethead receiver/pins arrangement that I'm not
comfortable with is that they are designed so that the machined pins are
captured by the receiver itself and do not project through the door
frame and the intercostal. IF (Big IF!!!) the fit of the doors is such
that there is some room for them to shift fore and aft, AND IF (another
BIG IF!!!) the pressure inside the cabin is enough to cause some
deformation and 'bowing' of the door itself, there MIGHT be a case for
the pins pulling out of the receiver and opening.
HOWEVER, if the pins are inserted so that they pass all of the way
through the receivers and the doorframes / intercostals, this is a MUCH
less likely scenario. I think the down side is that with the longer
pins, it raises the risk of the pins being exposed and damaging the
paint in that region. I fit mine so they are longer and project through
the door and frame, BUT I definitely have the likelihood for paint damage.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Scott Schmidt wrote:
> I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
> installing them.
> Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point
> where it threads in?
> Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than
> the standard rods?
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
> *
> *
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I'm a little naive here since I'm just building wings. Couldn't somebody
like Rivethead-Aero or Steven DiNieri make new longer rods? I'm assuming
that the short pins they send are screwed into existing rods.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
I can make pins as long as needed, but consider the loads on the door pins
are in shear. The likelihood that the rods or end pins break would be very
low given that the doors (uhmw blocks) are touching the blocks in the door
jamb. There is very little space. It would take a lot of force to shear a
steel line with a stainless fastener threaded within. More likely would be
the door flexing as deems pointed out or the blocks themselves tearing out
somehow.
Once installed and operating it's quite apparent that the guides and pins
door fastener system is much more secure than the factory setup. With the
factory setup you can get some fore aft movement out of the door even after
its been latched.
Your mileage may vary..
Steven dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I'm a little naive here since I'm just building wings. Couldn't somebody
like Rivethead-Aero or Steven DiNieri make new longer rods? I'm assuming
that the short pins they send are screwed into existing rods.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Gary should be providing First Hand Reporting with Deems leaning into
every word.
I am sure listening for more remote avionics.
John
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
John,
You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the
OP booth at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back
again. Would like to hear anything new?
Patrick Thyssen
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely
mounted
and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only
player
at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design
and
W&B latitude.
King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned
C-182.
The timing would be great.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3)
systems
that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
though first.
The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
that they added it is a big bonus.
I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
on the same standards.
It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
so it's definitely a good thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is
coming
from
> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does
appear a
bit
> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the
system
is
> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that
point I
don't
> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the
data
fields
> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big
immovable
> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in
front
of you
> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data
field - or
at
> least that's my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are
different
ways at
> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same
breath
we
> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
biased......sorry
> to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it
and
others will
> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having
certified
terrain
> available to us it just makes the entire market even more
attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit
and
all in
> fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the
G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely
improves
>> the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super
hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to
stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious
design
>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo
with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the
center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to
improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data
fields well,
>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to
make
>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before
glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level
that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
My impression is that N416EC was a Saint Aviation, VANS directive,
Factory approved "Standard Install". Hence the header "The King has no
clothes". All of those followers in the crowd to the "As Written
Instructions" might reflect careful on this particular style of
installation.
Every improvement is worth the pursuit. I have enjoyed the discussion
and the enlightenment..... So Thank You all.
Four good people and three fine aircraft lost in six months is simply
too many.
JC
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I can make pins as long as needed, but consider the loads on the door
pins are in shear. The likelihood that the rods or end pins break would
be very low given that the doors (uhmw blocks) are touching the blocks
in the door jamb. There is very little space. It would take a lot of
force to shear a steel line with a stainless fastener threaded within.
More likely would be the door flexing as deems pointed out or the blocks
themselves tearing out somehow.
Once installed and operating it's quite apparent that the guides and
pins door fastener system is much more secure than the factory setup.
With the factory setup you can get some fore aft movement out of the
door even after its been latched.
Your mileage may vary....
Steven dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I'm a little naive here since I'm just building wings. Couldn't
somebody like Rivethead-Aero or Steven DiNieri make new longer rods?
I'm assuming that the short pins they send are screwed into existing
rods.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
installing them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point
where it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than
the standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Garmin 1000 additions |
Sorry Patrick, I was not aware OP Tech made avionics, just the really
cool EFIS screens. I wanted a competitor to the remotely mounted
GNS530Twins used in the G900X package with GMA 1647 Remote Switch
panel(s) and GCU 476 remote data entry pad. I think Stein dialed in my
number and has kids wanting to attend Stanford or Harvard on an RV-10
builders nickel, quarter, dollar.
Would love to see some competitive blood on the negotiating table to
help in choices. Isn't it interesting nothing is being said about cool
ADS-B stuff at SNF.
John
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Thyssen
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
John,
You've forgotten OP tech has remote avionics. And has anyone seen the
OP booth at sun n fun? I'm not making it this year due to a bad back
again. Would like to hear anything new?
Patrick Thyssen
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Not that anyone is listening but what is needed IMHO is remotely
mounted
and remotely controlled avionics. Garmin should not be the only
player
at the experimental level. It gives the builder much more design
and
W&B latitude.
King Air, Malibu, Mooney, DJet, Cessna/Columbia even a darned
C-182.
The timing would be great.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
Oh don't worry...I did say that they finally have something with
enough of the key features that it would be attractive. ;)
Personally, I think that there are downsides to tweaking the
graphics out too much, and upsides to keeping it 100% readable
and clean. But, with the direction they're now headed, if I were
re-planning a panel, I can now say that there are 2 (or 3)
systems
that I might consider....The G900, the L3, and the Chelton are
the ones that I'd be seriously looking at. I'd like to see
L3 get installed and flying in a bunch of equivalent airframes
though first.
The HITS is far more useful than you'd imagine, and the fact
that they added it is a big bonus.
I'll take one semi cheap shot though....Garmin is like the
MicroSoft of the avionics industry. With the proprietary
crap they pull, people end up getting to be 100% reliant on
them and their integrateable items, so even when they make some
good moves, a little part of me still cringes in that regards.
I think ideally all this WX, Traffic, GPS WAAS, ADS-B, and all
the other goodies would become much cheaper if the communication
standards were all open and they all were forced to integrate
on the same standards.
It's now much more attractive though than 6 months ago,
so it's definitely a good thing.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
SteinAir, Inc. wrote:
>
> Indeed a nice looking system. I can sort of see where Tim is
coming
from
> here and I rarely disagree with him. Im this case the DG does
appear a
bit
> washed out, but on the other hand it's washed out because the
system
is
> telling us we're about to fly into a granite cloud. At that
point I
don't
> really care what direction the plane is aiming (or what the
data
fields
> ultimately say), as long as it doesn't stay aimed at the big
immovable
> mountain in front of me! If the screen is turning blood red in
front
of you
> I doubt any of us will much care what is in any of the data
field - or
at
> least that's my personal take on it.
>
> Anyway my point is everything is subjective and there are
different
ways at
> looking at things. I certainly see Tim's point but in the same
breath
we
> all have to realize that he might be just a tiny wee bit
biased......sorry
> to call you out TimO! :)
>
> Some people will love it and others won't. Some will buy it
and
others will
> not. It's all about choice, and now with 2 systems having
certified
terrain
> available to us it just makes the entire market even more
attractive!
>
> My 2 cents as usual. Just playing devils advocate a little bit
and
all in
> fun as typical!@ :)
>
> Cheers,
> Stein
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Olson
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:26 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Garmin 1000 additions
>>
>>
>> The way I understand it, it will already be available on the
G900X.
>> So I don't think there will be a long wait. It definitely
improves
>> the system.
>>
>> The one thing that does disappoint me a bit is the super
hi-res
>> type color patterning. I think too many companies try to
stretch
>> to the "WOW" factor rather than ultimate safety-conscious
design
>> on some of that stuff. It's not only a waste of processor on
>> displaying graphics, but check out that G900TERRAIN photo
with the
>> big red and orange mountain, and see how the compass in the
center
>> looks.....I understand they're trying to figure out how to
improve
>> it already, but man, if you can't see the text and data
fields well,
>> then you're really looking at some safety downfalls all to
make
>> for a pretty display. Safety and functionality before
glitter.
>>
>> But, at least they finally brought the features up to a level
that
>> really improves it's attractiveness. It should serve people
>> much better now if they figure out the color thing.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not
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Well...I'm an=C2- AFS 3500 owner...I saw GRT's new display today with syn
thetic vision and terrain and it looks SWEET. The leap frogging continues,
anyone who strayed from GRT initially (me included) for the simple fact it
was low resolution...should re-examine that now. But that's today...tomorro
w's another day.
Rick Sked
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 3:18:13 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems
This does not answer your very good question, but, keep in mind that Rob is
supplying and thus receiving support from Honeywell.=C2- He is also the
supplier to the Glasair TWTT program.=C2- Both imply a strong company and
product.=C2- Not sure what connections GRT has, beyond themselves.=C2-
Both have excellent reputations for product and service.=C2- Rob is not
likely to come out with HITS, since Honeywell has investigated that and dis
missed it as not worth it, for whatever reason.=C2- The HITS for GRT is n
ot the same as the HITS for Chelton.=C2- Not even sure what the GRT HITS
is, but I don't think it can be classified as true HITS.=C2- You are the
integrator (aka Garmin 900), so look closely at how these utilize and talk
to autopilot, GPS, Nav/Com, traffic=C2-data.=C2- Also, if IFR, what do
they have relative to charts, plates, updates, costs. etc.=C2- Who suppli
es their AHARS and what is the testing that goes into the respective units.
=C2- I agree, it certainly would help one of them or both to have a more
detailed comparison of what they offer, and how the equipment is superior i
n terms of actual flying.=C2-
do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems
As both GRT and AFS leap frog each other with features, the question I
=99m attempting to answer is which platform (Horizon HX or AFS 4500) has
the best platform for implementing all the new software enhancements witho
ut requiring future hardware updates.=C2- Both have processor updates and
both have graphic enhancements.=C2- However, I=99m having difficul
ties locating any information that allows an objective comparison.
If either company is sharing more detailed information and SnF, inquiring m
inds want to know.=C2- All that can be found on their web sites is market
ing data sheets.=C2- It sure would be nice to get engineering specs.=C2
- Since that=99s not likely either, I would be interested in hearin
g any subjective evaluations of these units by anyone at SnF.
Thanks,
bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems
I spent some time with Rob this morning. =C2-The screen on the 4500 is ve
ry nice. =C2-It is glossy, and although I have seen glossy screens give m
ore glare in sunlight, Rob says that in their testing it is easier to see.
=C2-It is about 1,000 nits, whereas the 3500 is about 500, if I remember
correctly.
According to Rob, all of the units still do the same stuff, although you ge
t get to some features easier and more quickly on the 4500 because of the j
oystick and extra knob. =C2-However, with the faster processor (which may
become available on the 3500 as an upgrade) they will be able to offer mor
e things like the synthetic terrain, etc. =C2-They didn't have their appr
oach plates demo working this morning, but it should be this afternoon Rob
said. =C2-It's pretty sweet how you can cross-feed flight planning stuff
between the AFS and a Garmin 430/530 or even a 396/496. =C2-They also don
't have the weather up and running yet here, but should tomorrow, I think h
e said. =C2-I will be stopping back by. =C2-They currently only have Ne
xrad and one other thing (I think the METARS/TAFS) setup, but are working o
n the rest.
So, in answer to your question, the $1,700 (or $1,500 as stated by Rob this
morning) difference is the screen, the processor, the extra knob and the j
oystick so far.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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where did u find these one the site
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Carpenter<mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Special
<jeff@westcottpress.com<mailto:jeff@westcottpress.com>>
Vans has a nice discount on three (was four, but I just bought one)
XIO-540-D4A5 engines just posted on the website.
On your marks... get set... go!
Jeff Carpenter
40304
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igator?RV10-List>
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
After the 416EC thing surfaced I called the consulting engineer for my
project (actually the neighbor lady with a PhD in ME from Caltech). After
discussion she suggested several things. The flexing of the door could be
stiffened by additional glass ion the inner side, preferably in the shape of
an angle running fore to aft. Secondly she made the point that the fatigue
ratio of stainless to aluminum is a factor of 10. If one is concerned about
the working cycle of bending and scraping these pins to close the door, a
thousand cycles could be of concern. As for me, mine is ready to fly with
the standard closure but down the road I will seriously consider the
replacement of the pins and the door bulkhead bushings with stainless.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
My general comment would be no, I do not have any concerns. The end of the
rod was already threaded per plans and all I did was fill them. ( Not
exactly since I cut and threaded the rods again to shorten them.) But, they
are not real tight. After 25 flight hours and the web traffic from last
week, I inspected them and did not see any signs of wear. I rechecked their
alignment and put some locktite on the threads. I installed mine per the
video and thus they do not extend all the way into the cabin frame, only
into the block itself. I am re-thinking that.....
Also, when you install the blocks there is very little room between the AL
blocks and the nylon blocks in the door. I had to cut down the blocks on
the door just to get the door to close. I think this closer tolerance helps
to reduce the stress on the rod itself.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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Close to standard install. There is a metal plate between the plastic
block and the door frame, that on the outboard side is bent aft. This is
so when someone tries to close the door with the door pins out it does
not chip the paint. Minor mod, probably had not negative effect, but a
mod none the less.
Larry
do not archive
John W. Cox wrote:
>
> My impression is that N416EC was a Saint Aviation, VANS directive,
> Factory approved Standard Install. Hence the header The King has no
> clothes. All of those followers in the crowd to the As Written
> Instructions might reflect careful on this particular style of
> installation.
>
> Every improvement is worth the pursuit. I have enjoyed the discussion
> and the enlightenment.. So Thank You all.
>
> Four good people and three fine aircraft lost in six months is simply
> too many.
>
> JC
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven
> DiNieri
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:49 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
> I can make pins as long as needed, but consider the loads on the door
> pins are in shear. The likelihood that the rods or end pins break
> would be very low given that the doors (uhmw blocks) are touching the
> blocks in the door jamb. There is very little space. It would take a
> lot of force to shear a steel line with a stainless fastener threaded
> within. More likely would be the door flexing as deems pointed out or
> the blocks themselves tearing out somehow.
>
> Once installed and operating its quite apparent that the guides and
> pins door fastener system is much more secure than the factory setup.
> With the factory setup you can get some fore aft movement out of the
> door even after its been latched.
>
> Your mileage may vary.
>
> Steven dinieri
>
> Iflyrv10.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Leffler
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:04 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
> Im a little naive here since Im just building wings. Couldnt
> somebody like Rivethead-Aero or Steven DiNieri make new longer rods?
> Im assuming that the short pins they send are screwed into existing rods.
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Schmidt
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
>
> I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
> installing them.
> Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point
> where it threads in?
> Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than
> the standard rods?
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>
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> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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Are you saying that both doors were not found at each crash site? That
certainly is one of my questions for the last two fatals
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
My impression is that N416EC was a Saint Aviation, VANS directive, Factory
approved "Standard Install". Hence the header "The King has no clothes".
All of those followers in the crowd to the "As Written Instructions" might
reflect careful on this particular style of installation.
Every improvement is worth the pursuit. I have enjoyed the discussion and
the enlightenment... So Thank You all.
Four good people and three fine aircraft lost in six months is simply too
many.
JC
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I can make pins as long as needed, but consider the loads on the door pins
are in shear. The likelihood that the rods or end pins break would be very
low given that the doors (uhmw blocks) are touching the blocks in the door
jamb. There is very little space. It would take a lot of force to shear a
steel line with a stainless fastener threaded within. More likely would be
the door flexing as deems pointed out or the blocks themselves tearing out
somehow.
Once installed and operating it's quite apparent that the guides and pins
door fastener system is much more secure than the factory setup. With the
factory setup you can get some fore aft movement out of the door even after
its been latched.
Your mileage may vary..
Steven dinieri
Iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I'm a little naive here since I'm just building wings. Couldn't somebody
like Rivethead-Aero or Steven DiNieri make new longer rods? I'm assuming
that the short pins they send are screwed into existing rods.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installing
them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point where
it threads in?
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the
standard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
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In my first report I mentioned that they have a 6-cyl version in their
booth. They said they should be shipping by Oshkosh. Take that for
what it's worth in time frame promises.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 9, 2008, at 1:40 PM, Larry Rosen wrote:
>
> Have they released a Lyc 6 cylinder model? I know they have been
> developing one. Maybe one of you at Sun-N-Fun could fill us in.
> Thye are in building D space #93.
> Larry
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>> >
>>
>> I think Jesse only builds RV-10's so I doubt it. They are just
>> now releasing their 6cyl models so I don't think there have been
>> any significant hours built up to give a good idea on their MTBF.
>> If you search various archives of the 4cyl homebuilts you will find
>> a lot's of references from one extreme to the other. Overall they
>> seem to have an excellent idea but have been plagued with lots of
>> gremlins in their design. Many people have had no problems but it
>> seems an equal number of people have had consistent problems.
>>
>> I for one really hope they get all their problems licked and end
>> up with a solid product. Lots of potential there and they seem to
>> e steadily improving.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Nick Leonard
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:22 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: P-Mag!
>>
>>
>> Jesse,
>>
>> Can you share any experiences you have had with the PMags? Put any
>> in your planes? Any recent problems that you are aware of?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> --------
>> Nick Leonard
>> RV-10 (40015) Finish
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=175573#175573
>>
>>
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Main page on bottom (scroll down)
http://www.vansaircraft.com/images/open/Lyc-snf.jpg
----- Original Message -----
From: John Cram
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Engine Special
where did u find these one the site
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Carpenter
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Special
<jeff@westcottpress.com>
Vans has a nice discount on three (was four, but I just bought one)
XIO-540-D4A5 engines just posted on the website.
On your marks... get set... go!
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I installed a set of Steven's on my plane and am really happy with them.
I really wanted flush handles and one of the criteria was that they
preserve the locking feature of the stock handles.
Bob #40105
The big move to the airport this Sunday...
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Bob,
i make all my own parts. They are modified versions I made
for myself and decided to offer on the website. Check the site often as
I'm adding new stuff all the time. Next up are lightweight fiberglass
interior trim panels, and a leather interior handle cover...
steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Steven,
I see that you've added many new products to your site. The elevator
trim bracket and the aluminum door guides caught my eye. Are you
reselling Rivethead-Aero's product or are you manufacturing these
yourself?
Thanks,
Bob
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Door handles
Michael, i have been offering a handle kit similar to the Hendricks, but
in a complete kit form, thinner in profile, specifically designed for
the rv10. My design allows the latching system to remain in place as
vans designed. when i started designing the handles the primary idea was
to leave all the door latch mech alone. my handles simply replace the
outside handle, just in a different position. they also allow standard
lock cylinders for locking (just like the Hendricks) and i am
introducing on the website this week a flush stainless lock system for
all rv10's. easily installed into even flying aircraft.
sorry to toot my own horn, but with all the talk about door and latches
and the importance of such systems i just want all to know there are
options...
Steven dinieri
iflyrv10.com
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look
and maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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| Subject: | Re: The King has no Clothes |
Also Guys & Gals,
EVERY -10 I looked at here at SNF today...almost all of them I hadn't seen
before, had very visible signs of scarring on the aft block. It is very app
arent that door slamming and multiple locking attempts are taking their tol
l on the entire locking system. FWIW all I looked at had the delrin blocks,
I didn't see any of the rivethead blocks, I really think the pulling of th
e door closed forward of the center of the door is leaving the aft section
out of alignment, no new news here, we all know that from many past posts.
Bottom line, with David's remarks regarding number of cycles, it seems to b
e very important to get the door into position and flush before trying to e
ngage the pins to prevent this wear.It's a matter of time before there is a
=C2- greater catastrophic loss waiting to happen than the one that sparke
d my post about it on VAF. I want everyone to also consider the fact that t
hese doors "leave" the airplane....consider where they may fall.....playgro
und, school, bus stop.....think about the potential person who may fall vic
tim of a falling aircraft door.
I deal with construction safety and stats all day long, before every fatal
injury in my business there is an escalation of "incidents" that stops when
the fatality occur. After the catastrophe it drops sharply to a level abou
t half of the normal incident rate, climbs to the "normal" or expected/aver
age rate, holds there for quite awhile until the cycle starts over and begi
ns to climb. It's at that time when=C2-I see the climb we start to focus
with more vigor our efforts to communicate, remind, train, enforce what eve
r it takes to get every ones minds back into safe mode. This is no differen
t, folks we are climbing, time to focus on and fix the problem before it sp
ikes. The graphs are very sobering, almost like an EKG readout. Lets not go
the way of the Lancair people, nip it in the bud=C2- lest we will =C2-
pay very much higher insurance rates and worse....our friends, family neigh
bors blood
Rick Sked
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 6:27:30 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
After the 416EC thing surfaced I called the consulting engineer for my proj
ect (actually the neighbor lady with a PhD in ME from Caltech). After discu
ssion she suggested several things. The flexing of the door could be stiffe
ned by additional glass ion the inner side, preferably in the shape of an a
ngle running fore to aft. Secondly she made the point that the fatigue rati
o of stainless to aluminum is a factor of 10. If one is concerned about the
working cycle of bending and scraping these pins to close the door, a thou
sand cycles could be of concern. As for me, mine is ready to fly with the s
tandard closure but down the road I will seriously consider the replacement
of the pins and the door bulkhead bushings with stainless.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Rene Felker
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
My general comment would be no, I do not have any concerns.=C2- The end o
f the rod was already threaded per plans and all I did was fill them. ( Not
exactly since I cut and threaded the rods again to shorten them.) But, the
y are not real tight.=C2- After 25 flight hours and the web traffic from
last week, I inspected them and did not see any signs of wear.=C2- I rech
ecked their alignment and put some locktite on the threads.=C2- I install
ed mine per the video and thus they do not extend all the way into the cabi
n frame, only into the block itself.=C2- I am re-thinking that
..
Also, when you install the blocks there is very little room between the AL
blocks and the nylon blocks in the door.=C2- I had to cut down the blocks
on the door just to get the door to close.=C2- I think this closer toler
ance helps to reduce the stress on the rod itself. =C2-=C2-
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schmidt
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: The King has no Clothes
I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to installin
g them.
Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak point wher
e it threads in?=C2-
Does anyone have any concerns about the system being less robust than the s
tandard rods?
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2008 10:58:54 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Doors coming off |
Chris, from what I've heard, MOST of the RV-10's with door issues
were caused by the rear pin not being in the frame. I think the
one being discussed currently (416EC) is the only one that this
is in question on, as far as I've heard.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
> corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
>
> Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
> position?
> .
> Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
>
> I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
> door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look
> and maybe do some measuring ?
>
> I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
>
> I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
>
> regards Chris
>
> *
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know the
specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I don't
know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related issue. I
think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern states flyin.
Ben Westfall
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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| Subject: | Engine stop tests. |
Bill,
This info is based on my understanding of the props, if I'm off base
someone please chime in. Doesn't that make you feel confident about what
I'm about to write ;)
The non-reversing constant speed props (like on the -10) are designed to go
flat pitch in the event of a loss of oil pressure. The main concern is if
you have to execute a go-around or steep climb you want the high RPM
available for performance.
I think what you are experiencing is simply increased thrust by going more
coarse on the pitch while there's still oil pressure. Once the prop stops I
seriously doubt there is a significant difference in drag between flat and
coarse pitch. So first, I don't think you can control the pitch as the
engine quits and second I don't think it would make a difference.
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Something that I was playing with (experimenting is too strong a word) is
when the engine dies (in my case idling) and is still turning - if you pull
the prop out the RV10 takes a leap forward. Does the glide range increase
with the prop all the way out? Is this in fact the standard emergency
procedure with a constant speed prop?
It seems that the engine turning would power the oil pump and could turn the
blades to full coarse decreasing the drag.
Any comments? My previous constant speed prop experience was just sufficient
to get my high performance signoff.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Fabulous detail and invaluable research. We need more of this stuff and
less accident reporting. By the way, did you go with the stock James
engine cowl?
The Warbirds acts as breathtaking as the setting at Wanaka. See you for
OSH '08.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Hi
I would like to report on some tests we did this evening.
We wanted to know what would happen when the engine stops. In flight!
We have a Barratts IO540, standard compression, with the MT 3 blade
prop, dual mags.
The object of the exercise was to see just what happens when the fuel
runs out in one tank, and how easy it is to re-start.
First exercise was to practise some forced landings in case we really
couldn't restart it. So complete with clearance from our local
Airforce base, and with one of their squadron leaders in the right
hand seat, the tower fully briefed on what we were doing, off we set
to 5000ft.
There was a relatively strong wind of about 35 knots at 2000ft & 25
gusting 30 on the ground . So we came up a bit short (just a bit) on
the runway. I was reminded then that I need to practice forced
landings from all heights, not just pattern (or circuit) height.
Then it was back up to 5000ft.
Cool the engine a bit, then ( all in controlled airspace I hasten to
add), we cut mixture to full idle cut off. The engine just kept on
going at about 500 rpm in the glide at about 80 knots or so, so
eventually with full flap, and mushing down at about 55 knots, we
managed to finally get it to stop. It's certainly odd seeing the prop
stopped, and the ground so far below. Yes we do know that it is less
than ideal for the prop to drive the engine, but we wanted to do the
tests. There is no doubt that if the engine stops, the glide rate is
about 200 ft/m better with the prop in full course.
So it was full rich, full fine, and about 1/2 inch. Fuel pump on, a
flick of the starter and away it went. So no problems there at all.
The next test was a bit harder, because we wanted to check if we could
start the engine without the starter (just in case of a flat battery /
broken starter etc.) I've had two occasions where the engine started,
but the starter failed in the process. So I was unable to restart.
With the prop stopped again, we went flaps up, full rich,full fine,
1/2 inch on the throttle and entered a dive.
The prop looked as if someone was trying to hand swing it (though at
4500ft and rapidly decreasing, that was unlikely!)
After a few seconds it finally passed TDC, then again, and eventually
it did restart after having lost about 2600ft, and at a speed of about
130-150 knots.
Very quickly it builds up revs, so pulling back on stick & throttle we
were quickly under control. But it is not something you will get away
with under 3000ft.
Our final test was to deliberately run out of fuel. With plenty in the
other tank!
So we simply cruised around for a further 15 mins or so, until finally
the engine cooughed & spluttered. There was plenty of time to switch
pump on and change tanks and away she went. So no dramas at all.
Having completed our tests it was back up to 7000ft t play on the
overcast for a short while.
So in conclusion, there is nothing to be feared about running a tank
dry. So long as the starter works, or you have sufficient height.
However, if you have totally run out of fuel, it will happily continue
to turn. So bearing in mind
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Way to go Gary, and congratulations on getting it finished on time!
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: RV Grin
N204GS flew for the first time today. I have been telling folks that it
would be done on Tuesday ever since I started building. The airplane flew
perfectly.
Gary
40274
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One other idea we had was the placement of a knob on the door inside, back
near the pin. this will allow complete control (two hands pulling) of
positioning the door for closure.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know the
specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I don't
know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related issue. I
think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern states flyin.
Ben Westfall
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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The original prototype door on N410RV incurred damage during a x-cnty
airshow trip to Colorado. As I remember the canopy and door assemblies
off N220RV were removed as a quick fix and integral completed "total
unit" as a Second Iteration prototype build and used to repair N410RV.
All of the early kits going back to Randy s/n 006 and John Nys s/n 047
were the 220RV Gen II type. I believe 416EC s/n 416 was still this
same type. Since then, several improvements (alternations have been
included) aftermarket which is the thrill of this group, the open
discussion, the talent of the individuals and the desire to pursue
excellence in build.
Tim did an excellent explanation on the Taper. I am opposed to what I
believe is in the plans (that should be nothing new to anyone). The
Strike plate idea is a corrective measure for the high likelihood that
operators will try to close a door with the aft pin partially extended.
My review of the 416EC pictures shows an alignment and strike issue with
the Pilot's plate. I believe that other than in Tim's "safety locked"
scenario this system might allow an opening or movement at a critical
point in time. The Rack systems should not allow continued retraction
of an engaged pin during flight. I believe the taper needs to be
oriented to the interior never the exterior. I believe the pin needs to
be "fully" engaged into the metal door pillar. I believe the UMHD is
not adequate for a long term receptacle. The view of 416EC showed
significant stress forces on the mounting hardware. I believe a
handhold which pulls the door down and closed positively even with a
door ajar "in-flight" is a wise design change.
Within this body of personal opinion are several quality improvements
which need universal illumination. For those with the second
generation door & latch (220RV). I would like to see 416EC the last
RV-10 to ever suffer latch release and premature door departure in
flight.
Pilots are human, mistakes happen, the door handle might not always get
"safety latched" and remain so. The secondary latch on the leading edge
or a boldly relocated hinge set like on Cirrus can sure get the
discussion stirred.
Let's keep the sharp eyes focused at SNF and less mud on the field.
There is lots to learn. Think Safety, Fly Safe.
John C.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know
the specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I
don't know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related
issue. I think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern
states flyin.
Ben Westfall
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look
and maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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| Subject: | Engine stop tests. |
Two ways to flatten a coarse pitch to fine pitch in the event of engine
failure with a Constant Speed Prop Assembly . Adequate Oil Pressure or
Counter weights. With the choice of no weights, the reaction time on the
prop control is a important skill set. Low pressure - Lots of Luck.
Neil gave a great example of the loss of altitude and significant
increase in airframe speed necessary to overcome loss of adequate oil
pressure.
Loose your oil..... Think fast, move faster. Fly the aircraft safely to
a walk away landing. - Bob Hoover.
Get some practice with a dead engine in course pitch and again in fine
pitch. It will drive home the importance in no short order. Practice,
practice, practice with lots of altitude and options.
John C
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Bill,
This info is based on my understanding of the props, if I'm off base
someone please chime in. Doesn't that make you feel confident about
what I'm about to write ;)
The non-reversing constant speed props (like on the -10) are designed to
go flat pitch in the event of a loss of oil pressure. The main concern
is if you have to execute a go-around or steep climb you want the high
RPM available for performance.
I think what you are experiencing is simply increased thrust by going
more coarse on the pitch while there's still oil pressure. Once the
prop stops I seriously doubt there is a significant difference in drag
between flat and coarse pitch. So first, I don't think you can control
the pitch as the engine quits and second I don't think it would make a
difference.
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
DeRouchey
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Something that I was playing with (experimenting is too strong a word)
is when the engine dies (in my case idling) and is still turning - if
you pull the prop out the RV10 takes a leap forward. Does the glide
range increase with the prop all the way out? Is this in fact the
standard emergency procedure with a constant speed prop?
It seems that the engine turning would power the oil pump and could turn
the blades to full coarse decreasing the drag.
Any comments? My previous constant speed prop experience was just
sufficient to get my high performance signoff.
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
"John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
Fabulous detail and invaluable research. We need more of this
stuff and
less accident reporting. By the way, did you go with the stock
James
engine cowl?
The Warbirds acts as breathtaking as the setting at Wanaka. See
you for
OSH '08.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil
& Sarah
Colliver
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:48 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Engine stop tests.
Hi
I would like to report on some tests we did this evening.
We wanted to know what would happen when the engine stops. In
flight!
We have a Barratts IO540, standard compression, with the MT 3
blade
prop, dual mags.
The object of the exercise was to see just what happens when the
fuel
runs out in one tank, and how easy it is to re-start.
First exercise was to practise some forced landings in case we
really
couldn't restart it. So complete with clearance from our local
Airforce base, and with one of their squadron leaders in the
right
hand seat, the tower fully briefed on what we were doing, off we
set
to 5000ft.
There was a relatively strong wind of about 35 knots at 2000ft &
25
gusting 30 on the ground . So we came up a bit short (just a
bit) on
the runway. I was reminded then that I need to practice forced
landings from all heights, not just pattern (or circuit) height.
Then it was back up to 5000ft.
Cool the engine a bit, then ( all in controlled airspace I
hasten to
add), we cut mixture to full idle cut off. The engine just kept
on
going at about 500 rpm in the glide at about 80 knots or so, so
eventually with full flap, and mushing down at about 55 knots,
we
managed to finally get it to stop. It's certainly odd seeing the
prop
stopped, and the ground so far below. Yes we do know that it is
less
than ideal for the prop to drive the engine, but we wanted to do
the
tests. There is no doubt that if the engine stops, the glide
rate is
about 200 ft/m better with the prop in full course.
So it was full rich, full fine, and about 1/2 inch. Fuel pump
on, a
flick of the starter and away it went. So no problems there at
all.
The next test was a bit harder, because we wanted to check if we
could
start the engine without the starter (just in case of a flat
battery /
broken starter etc.) I've had two occasions where the engine
started,
but the starter failed in the process. So I was unable to
restart.
With the prop stopped again, we went flaps up, full rich,full
fine,
1/2 inch on the throttle and entered a dive.
The prop looked as if someone was trying to hand swing it
(though at
4500ft and rapidly decreasing, that was unlikely!)
After a few seconds it finally passed TDC, then again, and
eventually
it did restart after having lost about 2600ft, and at a speed of
about
130-150 knots.
Very quickly it builds up revs, so pulling back on stick &
throttle we
were quickly under control. But it is not something you will get
away
with under 3000ft.
Our final test was to deliberately run out of fuel. With plenty
in the
other tank!
So we simply cruised around for a further 15 mins or so, until
finally
the engine cooughed & spluttered. There was plenty of time to
switch
pump on and change tanks and away she went. So no dramas at all.
Having completed our tests it was back up to 7000ft t play on
the
overcast for a short while.
So in conclusion, there is nothing to be feared about running a
tank
dry. So long as the starter works, or you have sufficient
height.
However, if you have totally run out of fuel, it will happily
continue
to turn. So bearing in mind
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| Subject: | Doors coming off |
I'm starting to think of a simple and inexpensive design. Like our
co-builder Mr. Leffler, I'm still a ways away from reaching this point.
However I've heard of a few RV-10's with handles that allow the door to
be pulled down when you're sitting in the seat. I'm thinking of making
this pull down strap out of some higher strength material and actually
hooking it inside the cabin to a fixed point.
If it's done correctly, the handles will be functional and a open-door
scenario could result in only a couple of inches worth of opening.
Sure it would be a distraction if you had to fly the plane with a door
that was cracked open a few inches, but it sure beats having the door
remove your Horizontal Stab and tear up your airplane.
It's cheap, simple, fool proof, and practical.
Phil
________________________________
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:40 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
One other idea we had was the placement of a knob on the door inside,
back near the pin. this will allow complete control (two hands pulling)
of positioning the door for closure.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know
the specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I
don't know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related
issue. I think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern
states flyin.
Ben Westfall
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and
Susie McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look
and maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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410RV was right at 1000 hours last summer. Probably has a couple hundred
more by now.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Chris and Susie McGough <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
wrote:
> Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
> corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
>
> Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
> position?
> .
> Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
>
> I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
> door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
> maybe do some measuring ?
>
> I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
>
> I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
>
> regards Chris
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Folks, here is the Rivethead setup on our plane - Our parts were among
the first made, and came sans instructions, so we proceeded to install
them using what common sense was available... :-)
We cut the aluminum tubing latch pins, which had already been
internally threaded for the standard installation, to a length that
left the Rivethead bullet ends protruding just 1/16" or so out of the
plastic block on the door with the door latch handle in in the fully
open (pins retracted) position.
In the fully closed position, the bullet ends protrude through the
Rivethead aluminum block, through the glass doorframe, and through the
heavy aluminum vertical F1005C and F1042 Bulkhead Side Channels by
1/4" or more.
"Receiver" is the name Deems uses for the block - I like it! The
joint where the bullet end butts up against the aluminum tubing latch
pin is completely contained in the "receiver". The joint thus takes
almost no loads at all.
The aluminum tubing latch pins take all the load in shear over a very
short distance - the plastic block in the door tries to move outward
and the "receiver" stubbornly refuses to go along. I'm not sure, but I
think the threaded end of the bullet fills the interior of the
aluminum tube in the area subjected to the shear load.
I can 't see an even remotely likely structural failure mode
_provided_that_the_ doors_ are_closed _and_ latched_properly. Knock
wood! The receiver is held in place by two #10 screws that pass
through the side channels and fiberglass door frame and into the
receiver; they carry the forces on the block to the airframe structure
(Bulkhead Side Channels)
Oh yeah - the doors close very easily (provided the little pins
attaching the latch pins to the racks don't get hung up)
and the latchup seems extremely solid. I can't detect any relative
motion at all when I grab the door and shake it.
John Ackerman 40458
On Apr 9, 2008, at 3:51 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> The one thing about the Rivethead receiver/pins arrangement that I'm
> not comfortable with is that they are designed so that the machined
> pins are captured by the receiver itself and do not project through
> the door frame and the intercostal. IF (Big IF!!!) the fit of the
> doors is such that there is some room for them to shift fore and
> aft, AND IF (another BIG IF!!!) the pressure inside the cabin is
> enough to cause some deformation and 'bowing' of the door itself,
> there MIGHT be a case for the pins pulling out of the receiver
> and opening.
> HOWEVER, if the pins are inserted so that they pass all of the way
> through the receivers and the doorframes / intercostals, this is a
> MUCH less likely scenario. I think the down side is that with the
> longer pins, it raises the risk of the pins being exposed and
> damaging the paint in that region. I fit mine so they are longer and
> project through the door and frame, BUT I definitely have the
> likelihood for paint damage.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Scott Schmidt wrote:
>> I have ordered the Rivethead door pins and I'm looking forward to
>> installing them.
>> Is anyone concerned about cutting the door rod and having a weak
>> point where it threads in? Does anyone have any concerns about the
>> system being less robust than the standard rods?
>> Scott Schmidt
>> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
>>
>> *
>> *
>
>
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Isn't the idea of the taper to the outside, to ensure capture of the block
and thereafter apply a leverage to firmly pull the door closed and into
alignment?
John 40315
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox
Sent: Thursday, 10 April 2008 2:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
The original prototype door on N410RV incurred damage during a x-cnty
airshow trip to Colorado. As I remember the canopy and door assemblies off
N220RV were removed as a quick fix and integral completed "total unit" as a
Second Iteration prototype build and used to repair N410RV. All of the
early kits going back to Randy s/n 006 and John Nys s/n 047 were the 220RV
Gen II type. I believe 416EC s/n 416 was still this same type. Since
then, several improvements (alternations have been included) aftermarket
which is the thrill of this group, the open discussion, the talent of the
individuals and the desire to pursue excellence in build.
Tim did an excellent explanation on the Taper. I am opposed to what I
believe is in the plans (that should be nothing new to anyone). The Strike
plate idea is a corrective measure for the high likelihood that operators
will try to close a door with the aft pin partially extended. My review of
the 416EC pictures shows an alignment and strike issue with the Pilot's
plate. I believe that other than in Tim's "safety locked" scenario this
system might allow an opening or movement at a critical point in time. The
Rack systems should not allow continued retraction of an engaged pin during
flight. I believe the taper needs to be oriented to the interior never the
exterior. I believe the pin needs to be "fully" engaged into the metal door
pillar. I believe the UMHD is not adequate for a long term receptacle. The
view of 416EC showed significant stress forces on the mounting hardware. I
believe a handhold which pulls the door down and closed positively even with
a door ajar "in-flight" is a wise design change.
Within this body of personal opinion are several quality improvements which
need universal illumination. For those with the second generation door &
latch (220RV). I would like to see 416EC the last RV-10 to ever suffer
latch release and premature door departure in flight.
Pilots are human, mistakes happen, the door handle might not always get
"safety latched" and remain so. The secondary latch on the leading edge or
a boldly relocated hinge set like on Cirrus can sure get the discussion
stirred.
Let's keep the sharp eyes focused at SNF and less mud on the field. There
is lots to learn. Think Safety, Fly Safe.
John C.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Vans did have an issue with a door early on with 410RV. I don't know the
specifics but I think John C might. Hopefully he will chime in. I don't
know if the door came off or not but they did have a door related issue. I
think it was while going to/from Osh or some other eastern states flyin.
Ben Westfall
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie
McGough
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Doors coming off
Guys are we 100% sure that the doors that have come off were latched
corectly where they go into the fuse frames.
Are we sure that the door handles were closed properly and in the locked
position?
.
Remember the tunnel heat problem, some have the problem but most do not.
I would think Vans 10 would have close to 1000 hours on it , why has the
door not come off?? Does someone live close to Vans that can have a look and
maybe do some measuring ?
I am absolutely not saying there is no problem just need some facts
I have written to Vans to the engieering department to see what they say
regards Chris
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