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1. 05:05 AM - Re: Pix (Phillips, Jack)
2. 05:16 AM - Re: Pix (gary)
3. 05:19 AM - Re: AFS Systems .... and others (Jesse Saint)
4. 05:26 AM - OT: RRL First Exhibition Race (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 05:53 AM - Re: Pix (Lew Gallagher)
6. 06:07 AM - Re: Wheel pants/lower strut fairing (Lew Gallagher)
7. 06:43 AM - OT: it's all about the rivets (MauleDriver)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: AFS Systems .... and others (Albert Gardner)
9. 08:06 AM - Re: AFS Systems .... and others (Robin Marks)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: AFS Systems .... and others (John Cox)
11. 08:35 AM - RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Tim Olson)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Pascal)
13. 10:28 AM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (James K Hovis)
14. 10:47 AM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Tim Olson)
15. 10:51 AM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Tim Olson)
16. 11:40 AM - Automatic temp controller for air conditioning (marcausman)
17. 11:47 AM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (James K Hovis)
18. 12:15 PM - Re: flight planning (jason Parker)
19. 12:42 PM - Re: Andair problems (Bruce Lane)
20. 01:10 PM - wing rotisserie & paint booth (Sheldon Olesen)
21. 01:10 PM - Re: Andair problems (Michael Wellenzohn)
22. 01:20 PM - Re: Re: Pix (gary)
23. 01:49 PM - Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth (Bobby J. Hughes)
24. 02:13 PM - Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth (Bud Williams)
25. 03:15 PM - Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth (MauleDriver)
26. 03:35 PM - doors again (David McNeill)
27. 03:54 PM - Re: Recommendations for front air vents (Thane States)
28. 04:02 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Marcus Cooper)
29. 04:18 PM - Re: Recommendations for front air vents (Rene Felker)
30. 04:18 PM - Re: Recommendations for front air vents (McGANN, Ron)
31. 04:19 PM - Re: doors again (John Gonzalez)
32. 04:49 PM - Re: doors again (David McNeill)
33. 05:06 PM - Re: doors again (Lew Gallagher)
34. 05:32 PM - 64TX is a real airplane (Bill Hicks)
35. 06:07 PM - Re: 64TX is a real airplane (Perry, Phil)
36. 06:41 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Robert Wright)
37. 07:03 PM - Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series (Tim Olson)
38. 07:10 PM - Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth (tomhanaway)
39. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth (Tim Olson)
40. 08:34 PM - dimple or countersink around baggage door (Chris Hukill)
41. 09:46 PM - Re: dimple or countersink around baggage door (Dave Leikam)
42. 10:04 PM - Re: Re: doors again (John Gonzalez)
43. 10:23 PM - Re: Re: doors again (McGANN, Ron)
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Any difference in flying qualities with the wheel pants, Gary?
Jack Phillips
#40610
Wings (Slooooo Build)
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Subject: RV10-List: Pix
I have been flying lots, but finally got the wheel pants on so took some
pix to motivate you "yet to fly" guys.
Gary
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It is about 15K faster at the same power settings.
Gary
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Any difference in flying qualities with the wheel pants, Gary?
Jack Phillips
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I have been flying lots, but finally got the wheel pants on so took some pix
to motivate you "yet to fly" guys.
Gary
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Systems .... and others |
I do also think the market has to experience some consolidation before
too long. Even the certified market probably will. After walking
through the hangars at Sun-N-Fun and seeing the amazing number of
offerings, I started realizing that this is inevitable. I agree that
Dynon and AFS will very likely be around long term with their EFIS
products, as will TruTrak with their auto pilot (and possibly their
EFIS). MGL is hard to judge because of their limited exposure in the
US to date. Of the certified products, Garmin is solid. While other
companies like OP, Chelton, L3, Avidyne, etc have fantastic offerings,
how many can the market truly support? Aspen avionics appears to be a
certified offering in the lower end of price points, so it will be
interesting to see how they do. Marketing and customer service will
determine this. So far I have had nothing but good customer service
from Dynon, and have heard the same for GRT. I have heard great
things from AFS, but they are still fairly new to the EFIS market.
Their service on their other products has had very good reports. BMA,
on the other hand, I have yet to hear a very good report about. They
must be selling something, though, because they still are out there.
No offense meant to the companies I have failed to mention, as I know
there are a lot of others out there.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Apr 15, 2008, at 1:18 AM, Randy Lervold wrote:
> Robin,
>
> You raise an important consideration and one I gave serious weight
> to myself in choosing an EFIS supplier. Personally though I think
> Dynon and AFS have the greatest potential for longest term survival.
> Dynon because of their market share due to being first to market and
> having the lowest price points. Regarding AFS, you may not be aware
> that they have an OEM relationship with Bendix/King Honeywell (the
> KFD 840 Primary Flight Display), and also is the exclusive supplier
> of EFIS systems for the Glasair TWT Sportsman program. This provides
> diversification and funding for additional development and support
> resources that benefit those of us with AFS branded products. As an
> AFS owner I am more familiar with their situation than GRT, I hear
> great things from owners of their products also, just didn't know if
> any of this was widely known.
>
> I agree with those who think this market will likely experience some
> consolidation as it matures, and that those still choosing their
> avionics should consider this aspect as well.
>
> Randy Lervold
> RV-3B, www.rv3works.com
> RV-8 www.rv-8.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robin Marks
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:19 PM
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
>
> Linn,
> There has been a lot of discussion on the list of how many different
> EFIS systems this category can support before the industry
> consolidates leaving some panels without product innovation or
> support including replacement parts. I know nothing about Odyssey
> and their backing (and do not want to disparage them) but It does
> seem that Dynon & GRT on the (relatively) lower end of the price
> spectrum continue to develop & improve their already impressive &
> tested products. When one has spent so much time & effort on your
> aircraft it would be a shame to be stuck with a white elephant
> panel. Imagine having placed dual BMA EFIS One=92s in your plane
> because of all the reported features. When you eventually do offer
> your plane for sale the panel MAY eliminate many potential buyers. I
> look at a lot of RV-6/7/8=92s with amazing construction & beautiful
> paint then I see their panel and I think=85 yeeeeh=85 never mind.
> I don=92t know the ultimate difference in pricing between the Odyssey,
> Dynon & GRT offerings but they can=92t be THAT far apart when viewed
> in your overall -10 budget. I always say an aircraft is the airframe
> design, engine/prop & avionics. I think we all agree you have made
> an outstanding airframe selection, any of the approved engines are
> an excellent choice for the -10, all that is left is your panel.
>
> Robin
> RV-4 Sold
> RV-6A 400 Hours
> RV-10 Sooner or Later, Probably Later
>
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of linn Walters
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
>
> John W. Cox wrote:
>
> This is a perfect question for Stein of SteinAir or Dewey Conroy of
> Pacific Coast Avionics. They are probably both taking all kinds of
> orders and will address this after returning. Many inquiring minds
> want to know exactly these questions.
>
> I would like to see an EFIS system which can annunciate remotely
> mounted and controlled avionics without taking the financial dive
> with the Garmin G900X national debt decision. I am impressed with
> Robin=92s purchase but it is too rich for my blood. Synthetic Vision,
> HITS, Chartview, SafeTaxi, Terrain, Traffic and Weather with the
> capability to go IFR. Vertical Autopilot GPS steer with the AFS
> 4500 is a great start.
>
> John
>
> OK, while we're on the subject of the stuff panels are made of, does
> anyone have any comments on the Odessey???
>
> http://www.mglavionics.com/html/odyssey.html
>
> I'm looking at that for my panel. I spent a lot of time looking at
> it at Sun-N-Fun. Tell me why you think it's a good or bad purchase!!!
> Linn
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| Subject: | OT: RRL First Exhibition Race |
Should be pretty cool at OSH:
http://www.rocketracingleague.com/media/press_releases/2008_4_14_oshkosh.ht
ml
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Hey Gary,
Just beautiful ... maybe tiger paws, gamecock for ours ... probably not!
As I just finished the strut pants, I also was wondering if you noticed any difference
in trim as well as speed. Seems like that could make a difference if
they were even a little off.
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176921#176921
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| Subject: | Re: Wheel pants/lower strut fairing |
Hey Roger,
Access to the tire valve would be a good thing. I've read the other posts about
round plugs, but we haven't addressed that yet. Currently, I'm helping the
owner build his and it will be his decision.
We're fine tuning the door latch mechanism (sticking with Van's) this week, and
after a break from the pants challenge, I'll let you know if we come up with
anything more practical about the valve access when we get back to it.
Please let me know if you come up with something as well.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176923#176923
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| Subject: | OT: it's all about the rivets |
An interesting read for all of us rivet bangers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/science/15titanic.html?ex=1208923200&en=4b81a0af77edab6c&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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| Subject: | AFS Systems .... and others |
When we build our panels and select the instruments/vendors that are
available we are hoping that these products/companies well survive.
None-the-less we are well aware that there will be many changes in the
market in just a short time. In my RV-9A I installed a Navaid autopilot,
changed to a Trio, was in the planning stage of removing the electric
gyros
and other round gages looking at EFIS/EMS displays. Now in the RV-10 I
have
Dynon EFIS/EMS and TruTrak but I'm looking at the Dynon autopilot and I
know
Trio has a new one to present at Oshkosh. My point is because we can
make
major panel changes some of us will-and maybe more than once. My advice
is
to make it as easy as possible to remove and alter the panel, add more
wires, etc. I added rudder trim after completion but had already run a 5
wire cable into the tail cone and put the indicator on the panel 'just
in
case' so it was pretty easy to do. But what if it had required 6 wires
instead of 5 I had run? Make it as easy as possible to incorporate
change.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | AFS Systems .... and others |
Randy,
I forgot to group AFS impressive products in my brief list
of solid companies. Like Jessie I apologize if I left a few personal
favorites out but that just proves the point, too many to list. Again I
feel we are very lucky to have all these options made available to us in
just a few short years but it comes at a price. My yet to fly G900X has
a fantastic new SVT option so my panel is already outdated and has yet
to clear 10' AGL. I read that the SVT upgrade for Diamond Aircraft
products will be $10K. They are obviously certified aircraft with
"certified" costs but I have yet to get an answer on what my unit will
cost for these improved features.
Robin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy Lervold
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
Robin,
You raise an important consideration and one I gave serious weight to
myself in choosing an EFIS supplier. Personally though I think Dynon and
AFS have the greatest potential for longest term survival. Dynon because
of their market share due to being first to market and having the lowest
price points. Regarding AFS, you may not be aware that they have an OEM
relationship with Bendix/King Honeywell (the KFD 840 Primary Flight
Display), and also is the exclusive supplier of EFIS systems for the
Glasair TWT Sportsman program. This provides diversification and funding
for additional development and support resources that benefit those of
us with AFS branded products. As an AFS owner I am more familiar with
their situation than GRT, I hear great things from owners of their
products also, just didn't know if any of this was widely known.
I agree with those who think this market will likely experience some
consolidation as it matures, and that those still choosing their
avionics should consider this aspect as well.
Randy Lervold
RV-3B, www.rv3works.com
RV-8 www.rv-8.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
Linn,
There has been a lot of discussion on the list of how many
different EFIS systems this category can support before the industry
consolidates leaving some panels without product innovation or support
including replacement parts. I know nothing about Odyssey and their
backing (and do not want to disparage them) but It does seem that Dynon
& GRT on the (relatively) lower end of the price spectrum continue to
develop & improve their already impressive & tested products. When one
has spent so much time & effort on your aircraft it would be a shame to
be stuck with a white elephant panel. Imagine having placed dual BMA
EFIS One's in your plane because of all the reported features. When you
eventually do offer your plane for sale the panel MAY eliminate many
potential buyers. I look at a lot of RV-6/7/8's with amazing
construction & beautiful paint then I see their panel and I think...
yeeeeh... never mind.
I don't know the ultimate difference in pricing between the
Odyssey, Dynon & GRT offerings but they can't be THAT far apart when
viewed in your overall -10 budget. I always say an aircraft is the
airframe design, engine/prop & avionics. I think we all agree you have
made an outstanding airframe selection, any of the approved engines are
an excellent choice for the -10, all that is left is your panel.
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 400 Hours
RV-10 Sooner or Later, Probably Later
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:42 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
John W. Cox wrote:
This is a perfect question for Stein of SteinAir or Dewey
Conroy of Pacific Coast Avionics. They are probably both taking all
kinds of orders and will address this after returning. Many inquiring
minds want to know exactly these questions.
I would like to see an EFIS system which can annunciate remotely
mounted and controlled avionics without taking the financial dive with
the Garmin G900X national debt decision. I am impressed with Robin's
purchase but it is too rich for my blood. Synthetic Vision, HITS,
Chartview, SafeTaxi, Terrain, Traffic and Weather with the capability to
go IFR. Vertical Autopilot GPS steer with the AFS 4500 is a great
start.
John
OK, while we're on the subject of the stuff panels are made of,
does anyone have any comments on the Odessey???
http://www.mglavionics.com/html/odyssey.html
I'm looking at that for my panel. I spent a lot of time looking
at it at Sun-N-Fun. Tell me why you think it's a good or bad
purchase!!!
Linn
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| Subject: | AFS Systems .... and others |
This is a great resource to share with the other builders. Knowing how
many wires to run in anticipation of future adaption of emerging
technology. Maybe Stein could make a future edition of Kitplanes
Magazine on aircraft wiring tips, techniques and wiring run planning.
Tim has done a lot with his loads and diagrams. Thanks for the wake up
call.
John
Aurora, OR
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert
Gardner
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: AFS Systems .... and others
When we build our panels and select the instruments/vendors that are
available we are hoping that these products/companies well survive.
None-the-less we are well aware that there will be many changes in the
market in just a short time. In my RV-9A I installed a Navaid autopilot,
changed to a Trio, was in the planning stage of removing the electric
gyros and other round gages looking at EFIS/EMS displays. Now in the
RV-10 I have Dynon EFIS/EMS and TruTrak but I'm looking at the Dynon
autopilot and I know Trio has a new one to present at Oshkosh. My point
is because we can make major panel changes some of us will-and maybe
more than once. My advice is to make it as easy as possible to remove
and alter the panel, add more wires, etc. I added rudder trim after
completion but had already run a 5 wire cable into the tail cone and put
the indicator on the panel 'just in case' so it was pretty easy to do.
But what if it had required 6 wires instead of 5 I had run? Make it as
easy as possible to incorporate change.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
Enjoy!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
As always a great review! Thanks!
Here is a video to show the effects on stall as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzbeWwe0wM
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series
>
> Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
> or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
>
> Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
> bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
>
> Enjoy!
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
About what I'd expect to see Tim. What's the time interval between
pictures if I might ask?
On 4/15/08, Pascal <rv10builder@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> As always a great review! Thanks!
>
> Here is a video to show the effects on stall as well.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzbeWwe0wM
>
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series
>
>
> >
> > Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
> > or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
> >
> > Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
> > bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
> >
> > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > Tim
> >
> > --
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
Cool, I never saw that link before. I did take video,
also, but haven't downloaded it and crunched it yet. I figure
she can play the video at school and use the photos for
explaining. Fun stuff! If I get the video all done soon
I'll add it to that original link of mine.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Pascal wrote:
>
> As always a great review! Thanks!
>
> Here is a video to show the effects on stall as well.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKzbeWwe0wM
>
> Pascal
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:25 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series
>
>
>>
>> Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
>> or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
>>
>> Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
>> bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
>>
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
>>
>> Enjoy!
>> Tim
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> Do Not Archive
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
I'm not sure the interval...I just had her hold down the auto drive
on the camera...so maybe 2 or 3 shots per second or a bit less?
It did take quite a bit of work to get it really well into the
stall. I saw airspeeds in the 40's when I was stalling too.
(No, I don't mean I was flying at 40....I was stalled)
It was very interesting to see how hard I had to work to really get
a nasty stall though. I can't imagine someone stalling this plane
accidently, in a departure stall situation...it would take a
lot of work. When it buffets, you have lots of warning yet until
it gets wild.
What I really should do is videotape the EFIS during the stall.
I wasn't able to watch out the wing all the time, but I know
I saw pitch angles that were pretty steep...and red chevrons
telling me to knock it off. And all that crabbing (a kinder word)
from Betty....
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
James K Hovis wrote:
>
> About what I'd expect to see Tim. What's the time interval between
> pictures if I might ask?
>
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| Subject: | Automatic temp controller for air conditioning |
We recently announced at Sun n Fun a set and forget temperature controller for
air conditioning systems. In a nutshell, you set the desired temp and it controls
the fans and compressor to regulate the cabin temperature. It automatically
turns on after engine start, and turns off during takeoff and after engine shutdown.
If there is a fault with the air conditioning system, it tells you exactly
where the fault is and what kind of fault occurred.
You can find more information here: http://www.verticalpower.com/climate_control.html
The system is just beginning beta testing now and expected to begin shipping in
Q3 08.
Marc
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Marc Ausman
http://www.verticalpower.com
RV-7 IO-390 Flying
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
Check this link for some of the physics invovled:
http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/airflylvl3.htm
Probably too much for a 7 year old! Sometimes too much for a 42 yr old
Aerospace Engineer!
On 4/15/08, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure the interval...I just had her hold down the auto drive
> on the camera...so maybe 2 or 3 shots per second or a bit less?
> It did take quite a bit of work to get it really well into the
> stall. I saw airspeeds in the 40's when I was stalling too.
> (No, I don't mean I was flying at 40....I was stalled)
> It was very interesting to see how hard I had to work to really get
> a nasty stall though. I can't imagine someone stalling this plane
> accidently, in a departure stall situation...it would take a
> lot of work. When it buffets, you have lots of warning yet until
> it gets wild.
>
> What I really should do is videotape the EFIS during the stall.
> I wasn't able to watch out the wing all the time, but I know
> I saw pitch angles that were pretty steep...and red chevrons
> telling me to knock it off. And all that crabbing (a kinder word)
> from Betty....
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> James K Hovis wrote:
> >
> > About what I'd expect to see Tim. What's the time interval between
> > pictures if I might ask?
> >
>
>
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Curtis,
Curtis,
Extreme version 2 turbo on bottom 16500
Redundancy 2200
Engine mount (if it works on Buds) 1000
New zero time Block 3000 USD
Intercooler 1500
Modification to your mount 500
Total above 24700
Plus extras
Muffler, muffler support, muffler wrap 650
Wiring harness heat wrap, water line heat wrap, roll of exaust wrap 120
New total: 25470-5000 deposit 20470.
I do not take person checks or money orders. The best thing is cash. You will
also need to sign a hold harmless agreement prior to release of the engine. One
more thing, i do not rip into engines any longer due to liability, so you have
stock new pistons.
Jason
William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
Not sure how they can call themselves a GA planning site when you can't overlay your route on an actual aviation map (sectional, TAC, etc). Did I miss how to do this? The only options for the route maps are Street Map, Satellite, Hybrid and Terrain. I much prefer http://skyvector.com/ It will overlay your planned route on the actual current Sectional, TAC or IFR charts.
William
http://wcurtis.nerv10.com/
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those
who matter don't mind."
-- Dr. Suess
-------- Original Message --------
>
> A great flight planning web site that I think you will appreciate.
>
> http://www.navmonster.com/
>
>
> Rob Kermanj
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Bruce:
Can't agree more. They make very nice products and have the worlds crappie
st service. I purchased two fuel caps for my RV-8 at Sun N Fun last year.
They promised to ship them within 4 days. I never got them. Lots of emai
ls, calls etc. Finally, I threatened to report them to my credit card comp
any and they promised to send the caps right away and give me a 10% discoun
t for my trouble. Still never got my gas caps. Only good news is to the b
est of my knowledge them never charged my credit card either.
They are embarrassingly bad at customer service.
bruce
From: snyderbd888@sbcglobal.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-Lis
t: Andair problemsDate: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:35:54 -0400
I=92ve had an ongoing problem with Andair and I thought that I=92d give eve
ryone that was thinking about buying one of their products some insight int
o their lack of responsiveness and customer service. I purchased a fuel va
lve for my RV-10 before the valve extensions were available. At Oshkosh 20
07 I personally handed them the fuel valve I purchased to be exchanged for
one with a six inch extension. The receipt noted the serial number of the
fuel valve that I gave them along with a quote for the price of a valve wit
h the extension. I=92ve been emailing every 2-3 weeks and I=92ve called th
em a couple of times but here I am almost 9 months later with no fuel valve
despite several promised shipping dates. I thought I was dealing with a r
eputable company but my experience so far has been otherwise.
Bruce Snyder
40353
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| Subject: | wing rotisserie & paint booth |
Does anyone have pictures or plans for making a wing rotisserie? I
want to be able to rotate the wings while they are being painted.
Also, any suggestions for the size and plans for a homemade paint
booth would be appreciated.
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 8 pieces ready to paint--all small
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| Subject: | Re: Andair problems |
Sorry to hear that. I personally had good experience with exchanging the fuel valve
with the extension version.
Hope they improve their service.
Michael
www.wellenzohn.net (FWF)
--------
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#511
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The trim is the same.
Gary
40274
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Pix
Hey Gary,
Just beautiful ... maybe tiger paws, gamecock for ours ... probably not!
As I just finished the strut pants, I also was wondering if you noticed any
difference in trim as well as speed. Seems like that could make a
difference if they were even a little off.
Later, - Lew
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crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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| Subject: | wing rotisserie & paint booth |
Sheldon,
Sent you information off line.
Bobby
4116
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wing rotisserie & paint booth
Does anyone have pictures or plans for making a wing rotisserie? I
want to be able to rotate the wings while they are being painted.
Also, any suggestions for the size and plans for a homemade paint booth
would be appreciated.
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 8 pieces ready to paint--all small
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| Subject: | wing rotisserie & paint booth |
Bobby,
Could you send the information to me to at rambud@windstream.net
Thanks
Bud
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: wing rotisserie & paint booth
Sheldon,
Sent you information off line.
Bobby
4116
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
Olesen
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: RV10-List: wing rotisserie & paint booth
Does anyone have pictures or plans for making a wing rotisserie? I
want to be able to rotate the wings while they are being painted.
Also, any suggestions for the size and plans for a homemade paint booth
would be appreciated.
Sheldon Olesen
#40080 8 pieces ready to paint--all small
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| Subject: | Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth |
I would appreciate the information too. I'm trying to decide whether to
commit to paint or not. And it's time to paint some interior stuff.
Thanks
Bill "Living with Fiberglass" Watson
40605
Durham NC
Bobby J. Hughes wrote:
>
> Sheldon,
>
> Sent you information off line.
>
> Bobby
> 4116
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sheldon
> Olesen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:07 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: wing rotisserie & paint booth
>
>
> Does anyone have pictures or plans for making a wing rotisserie? I
> want to be able to rotate the wings while they are being painted.
> Also, any suggestions for the size and plans for a homemade paint booth
> would be appreciated.
>
>
> Sheldon Olesen
> #40080 8 pieces ready to paint--all small
>
>
>
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For those who are not using the metal blocks in place of the delrin blockin
the door frame: There appears to be enough variability in door construction
that the standard c-1012 and c-1011 are not always long enough to penetrate
the complete door frame (i.e. delrin, glass and aluminum). For my money I
like to see .25" of complete tube in the door jamb. Because of the length of
the tube or the bevel, the supplied pins are short by .25-.375. I am making
the suggestion to Vans to lengthen these by that amount and allow the
builder to shorten to fit as opposed to my personal solution to buy material
and machine as required.
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| Subject: | Re: Recommendations for front air vents |
Stein sells tem for just under $100. They are very nice and I found a great
way to install them with no hardware or Proseal.
Thane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Any recommendations for the front air vents?
> Vans wants $145 for the aluminum ones
>
> Aircraft Spruce has several varieties in the $175 price range.
> Is this is the part of the building where you say to the dealer?
>
> ........ hit me . :-)
>
>
> Lew: good job on the wheel pants. Thanks for the reference, but I just
> added the pics. Our late friend, Mark Ritter showed me how to do it when
> I looked at his plane a couple of months ago. And I will be "displeased"
> if you get flying before I do.
>
>
> Fred Williams
> 40515.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
Tim,
Great pictures and writeup.
Another trick you can have your daughter do in class is take a sheet of
notebook paper, hold it by one edge with the page falling away from her face
and blow across the top. The page lifts and proves the faster air/lower
pressure element pretty simply.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series
Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
Enjoy!
Tim
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| Subject: | Recommendations for front air vents |
OK, so tell us the secret..........
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents
Stein sells tem for just under $100. They are very nice and I found a great
way to install them with no hardware or Proseal.
Thane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Any recommendations for the front air vents?
> Vans wants $145 for the aluminum ones
>
> Aircraft Spruce has several varieties in the $175 price range.
> Is this is the part of the building where you say to the dealer?
>
> ........ hit me . :-)
>
>
> Lew: good job on the wheel pants. Thanks for the reference, but I just
> added the pics. Our late friend, Mark Ritter showed me how to do it when
> I looked at his plane a couple of months ago. And I will be "displeased"
> if you get flying before I do.
>
>
> Fred Williams
> 40515.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Recommendations for front air vents |
Thane - don't be coy. I am about to instal Steins vents and was
thinking of E6000 to attach them to the NACA ducts. What was your
method? Contact me off list if this is a secret <grin>.
Cheers,
Ron
187, almost there.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thane States
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents
Stein sells tem for just under $100. They are very nice and I found a
great way to install them with no hardware or Proseal.
Thane
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> Any recommendations for the front air vents?
> Vans wants $145 for the aluminum ones
>
> Aircraft Spruce has several varieties in the $175 price range.
> Is this is the part of the building where you say to the dealer?
>
> ........ hit me . :-)
>
>
> Lew: good job on the wheel pants. Thanks for the reference, but I
> just added the pics. Our late friend, Mark Ritter showed me how to do
> it when I looked at his plane a couple of months ago. And I will be
"displeased"
> if you get flying before I do.
>
>
> Fred Williams
> 40515.
>
>
>
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I'm within one to two hours from seeing how all this comes together and I a
m surprised that the pins do not penetrate all three structures. Still have
n't gotten to the part about how far the threaded bolts stick out of the pi
ns, and why did I have to make a run to the hardware store for these bolts?
??
From: dlm46007@cox.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: doors
againDate: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:32:38 -0700
For those who are not using the metal blocks in place of the delrin blockin
the door frame: There appears to be enough variability in door constructio
n that the standard c-1012 and c-1011 are not always long enough to penetra
te the complete door frame (i.e. delrin, glass and aluminum). For my money
I like to see .25" of complete tube in the door jamb. Because of the length
of the tube or the bevel, the supplied pins are short by .25-.375. I am ma
king the suggestion to Vans to lengthen these by that amount and allow the
builder to shorten to fit as opposed to my personal solution to buy materia
l and machine as required.
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The pins may not penetrate all three materials. My left rear pin engaged by
the .25" minimum but the other three did not; the bevel in the right rear
ran right to the edge of the aluminum; not sufficient for me. The only thing
I can figure is that location of the handle can effect these lengths. The
instructions requiring centering the handle in the box but of course the box
location is determined by where the inner shell is glued to the outer shell.
The appropriate holes on the shell halves were faint and flat so there is
some variability there. By Friday the doors shoudl be ready to go back on.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 4:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: doors again
I'm within one to two hours from seeing how all this comes together and I am
surprised that the pins do not penetrate all three structures. Still haven't
gotten to the part about how far the threaded bolts stick out of the pins,
and why did I have to make a run to the hardware store for these bolts???
_____
From: dlm46007@cox.net
Subject: RV10-List: doors again
For those who are not using the metal blocks in place of the delrin blockin
the door frame: There appears to be enough variability in door construction
that the standard c-1012 and c-1011 are not always long enough to penetrate
the complete door frame (i.e. delrin, glass and aluminum). For my money I
like to see .25" of complete tube in the door jamb. Because of the length of
the tube or the bevel, the supplied pins are short by .25-.375. I am making
the suggestion to Vans to lengthen these by that amount and allow the
builder to shorten to fit as opposed to my personal solution to buy material
and machine as required.
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Again, I did not thread the rods, just stuck a pencil in the hole with a bit of
masking tape to make it firm and centered, and marked away -- it came out perfect.
Using someone else's idea, I carved out the BACKSIDE of where the toothed bar retracts,
and also a bit of the teflon (where the retaining pin on the toothed
bar and the split end of the rod bumps in full open position) so that the pins
can retract to the maximum -- which allows you to set the rod at maximum penetration
in closed position (make sure they're set on the absolute last possible
tooth). In open position, the inside handle is at about 130 degrees instead
of 90.
I get full penetration through all three structures. No threads. The taper pulls
the door in snug with no help at all, no movement at all once it's shut.
This weekend we'll temporarily install the provided weather strip with double
sided carpet tape to see if we can accomplish the same fit. I can probably post
pictures later if there's interest.
This is not the right thread, but I gotta tell ya, I very much appreciate the info
on the crashes, and it's VERY sobering if not downright discouraging.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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| Subject: | 64TX is a real airplane |
64TX broke the bounds of earth on Saturday morning April 12 in celebration of my
65th bday. Flew well a little heavier on the controls than my 6A but still
easy to fly. Now comes the fun. It was kit number 40378 and still needs interior
and paint.
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| Subject: | 64TX is a real airplane |
Congrats, Bill!
I envy you!
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From: Bill Hicks [mailto:bilhicks@swbell.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:29 PM
Subject: RV10-List: 64TX is a real airplane
64TX broke the bounds of earth on Saturday morning April 12 in
celebration of my 65th bday. Flew well a little heavier on the controls
than my 6A but still easy to fly. Now comes the fun. It was kit number
40378 and still needs interior and paint.
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
Very nice graphics on the stall progression! I like that way it shows a non-theoretical
flow toward the tip, not in a straight line but more on the diagonal.
I noticed that was flaps down. Did you take any pics flaps up for comparison?
Rob
#392
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 11:25:49 AM
Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series
Had to go out last night for a school project for my girl....
or at least that's the perfect excuse for it.
Here's a photo series you RV-10 nuts might like....shows a
bunch of shots leading up to a big stall of the wing.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080414
Enjoy!
Tim
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 Wing Stall Photo Series |
I did a couple with no flaps at first. Not sure if I have snapshots of
those though. It might be on the video when I get it ready.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Robert Wright wrote:
> Very nice graphics on the stall progression! I like that way it shows a
> non-theoretical flow toward the tip, not in a straight line but more on
> the diagonal. I noticed that was flaps down. Did you take any pics
> flaps up for comparison?
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> #392
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> between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 <hr size=1>Be a better friend,
> newshound, and
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| Subject: | Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth |
Bobby,
I'm giving some thought to painting also. Could you email me the info also.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
tomhanaway@comcast.net
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177114#177114
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| Subject: | Re: wing rotisserie & paint booth |
Bobbie sent me the file to post since it was a little big for
the email list. Here's a link:
Http://www.MyRV10.com/tips/paint/Wing_Stands.pdf
I'll get it worked into the regular tips area soon, but at
least for now you all have a place to download it.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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tomhanaway wrote:
>
> Bobby,
> I'm giving some thought to painting also. Could you email me the info also.
> Thanks,
> Tom Hanaway
>
> tomhanaway@comcast.net
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177114#177114
>
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| Subject: | dimple or countersink around baggage door |
The plans call for you to countersink the aft six holes in the fuselage
skin, where it mates to the forward six holes in the tailcone skin,
F-1023 baggage floor angle, and F10100-A shim (page 32-4 figure 3). The
QB fuselage has the forward holes dimpled in those pieces. The floor
angle and shim was just temporarily attached with pop rivets. Why would
I not dimple those remaining holes also? The .032 skin is the minimum
for countersink, and I don't see an access issue. Is this a mistake in
the plans, or is there a reason to countersink, not dimple. The same for
the rivets above the baggage door, and on the right side, that go thru
the skin into the longerons. All the holes that were filled with rivets
have been dimpled, but the plans call for the remaining ones to be
countersunk. Vans says to just build it. Anyone with an input?
Chris Hukill
dazed and confused
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| Subject: | Re: dimple or countersink around baggage door |
I just went out and looked at my fuse as I just did that step a few
weeks ago. I countersunk the 6 holes as the plans said. There is
plenty of material behind the skin with the shim and angle, no worries.
I agree with Vans on this one, just build it.
Dave Leikam
40496
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Hukill
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: RV10-List: dimple or countersink around baggage door
The plans call for you to countersink the aft six holes in the
fuselage skin, where it mates to the forward six holes in the tailcone
skin, F-1023 baggage floor angle, and F10100-A shim (page 32-4 figure
3). The QB fuselage has the forward holes dimpled in those pieces. The
floor angle and shim was just temporarily attached with pop rivets. Why
would I not dimple those remaining holes also? The .032 skin is the
minimum for countersink, and I don't see an access issue. Is this a
mistake in the plans, or is there a reason to countersink, not dimple.
The same for the rivets above the baggage door, and on the right side,
that go thru the skin into the longerons. All the holes that were
filled with rivets have been dimpled, but the plans call for the
remaining ones to be countersunk. Vans says to just build it. Anyone
with an input?
Chris Hukill
dazed and confused
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NO one ever answerred my question to this email below I sent a week or so a
go.
Thanks!
This could be the source of the problem right here, as long as the pins are
long enough to just be emerging from the door while the handle is in the 1
30 degree position:
Important question not adressed in the building instructions. When placing
the latch mechanism inside the latch pocket, is it necessary to cut access
holes for the geared arms that interface with the rod pin and the gear so
that not only is there a cut in the pocket for the pin, but also the back h
alf of the gear arm. Basically, when the door is open does the handle go up
to the 90 degree position or does it go all the way to the 180 degree posi
tion. If the pin was just emerging from the door side while the handle was
in the 180 degree position(Facing aft), just think how far the pin will tr
avel when the handle is placed in the closed position. The manual does not
state the number of cuts in the latch pockets??????I haven't fitted the en
tire mechanism yet, but real close so I am not certain of how it is suposse
d to be.. JG
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors again> From: lewgall@charter.net> Date: Tue
, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:13 -0700> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-List
message posted by: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>> > Again, I did no
t thread the rods, just stuck a pencil in the hole with a bit of masking ta
pe to make it firm and centered, and marked away -- it came out perfect.> >
Using someone else's idea, I carved out the BACKSIDE of where the toothed
bar retracts, and also a bit of the teflon (where the retaining pin on the
toothed bar and the split end of the rod bumps in full open position) so th
at the pins can retract to the maximum -- which allows you to set the rod a
t maximum penetration in closed position (make sure they're set on the abso
lute last possible tooth). In open position, the inside handle is at about
130 degrees instead of 90.> > I get full penetration through all three stru
ctures. No threads. The taper pulls the door in snug with no help at all, n
o movement at all once it's shut. This weekend we'll temporarily install th
e provided weather strip with double sided carpet tape to see if we can acc
omplish the same fit. I can probably post pictures later if there's interes
t.> > This is not the right thread, but I gotta tell ya, I very much apprec
iate the info on the crashes, and it's VERY sobering if not downright disco
uraging.> > Later, - Lew> > --------> non-pilot> crazy about building> NOW
OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!> > > > > R
ead this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=========> > >
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Hey John,
The plans are silent on this, but attached is a photo of 410RV. If you
do not cut the hole in the back of the pocket, there is no way to
achieve required full pin travel.
cheers,
Ron - almost there
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2008 2:31 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: doors again
NO one ever answerred my question to this email below I sent a
week or so ago.
Thanks!
This could be the source of the problem right here, as long as
the pins are long enough to just be emerging from the door while the
handle is in the 130 degree position:
Important question not adressed in the building instructions.
When placing the latch mechanism inside the latch pocket, is it
necessary to cut access holes for the geared arms that interface with
the rod pin and the gear so that not only is there a cut in the pocket
for the pin, but also the back half of the gear arm. Basically, when the
door is open does the handle go up to the 90 degree position or does it
go all the way to the 180 degree position.
If the pin was just emerging from the door side while the handle
was in the 180 degree position(Facing aft), just think how far the pin
will travel when the handle is placed in the closed position. The
manual does not state the number of cuts in the latch pockets??????I
haven't fitted the entire mechanism yet, but real close so I am not
certain of how it is supossed to be..
JG
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: doors again
> From: lewgall@charter.net
> Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 17:03:13 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
<lewgall@charter.net>
>
> Again, I did not thread the rods, just stuck a pencil in the
hole with a bit of masking tape to make it firm and centered, and marked
away -- it came out perfect.
>
> Using someone else's idea, I carved out the BACKSIDE of where
the toothed bar retracts, and also a bit of the teflon (where the
retaining pin on the toothed bar and the split end of the rod bumps in
full open position) so that the pins can retract to the maximum -- which
allows you to set the rod at maximum penetration in closed position
(make sure they're set on the absolute last possible tooth). In open
position, the inside handle is at about 130 degrees instead of 90.
>
> I get full penetration through all three structures. No
threads. The taper pulls the door in snug with no help at all, no
movement at all once it's shut. This weekend we'll temporarily install
the provided weather strip with double sided carpet tape to see if we
can accomplish the same fit. I can probably post pictures later if
there's interest.
>
> This is not the right thread, but I gotta tell ya, I very much
appreciate the info on the crashes, and it's VERY sobering if not
downright discouraging.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177090#177090
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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