---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/18/08: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:04 AM - FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy) 2. 07:26 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (Jesse Saint) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (Tim Olson) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (Doerr, Ray R [NTK]) 6. 07:46 AM - Re: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (Robin Marks) 7. 07:49 AM - Re: Torque wing bolts (Vernon Smith) 8. 07:50 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (Jesse Saint) 9. 07:55 AM - Re: Torque wing bolts (Roger Standley) 10. 08:12 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (Deems Davis) 11. 08:13 AM - wiring question (Jay Rowe) 12. 08:35 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 13. 09:05 AM - Re: wiring question (Rick Sked) 14. 09:08 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (Rick Sked) 15. 09:12 AM - Re: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (gommone7@bellsouth.net) 16. 09:38 AM - Re: wiring question (orchidman) 17. 10:03 AM - Re: wiring question (Dave Saylor) 18. 10:03 AM - Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning (tomhanaway) 19. 10:14 AM - oil cooler (lbgjb10) 20. 10:50 AM - Re: oil cooler (Rick Sked) 21. 11:56 AM - Re: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (Paul Grimstad) 22. 01:58 PM - Wiring NL starter help (Chris and Susie McGough) 23. 02:00 PM - Re: Torque wing bolts (Chris and Susie McGough) 24. 02:26 PM - Re: Wiring NL starter help (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 25. 02:41 PM - Re: Wiring NL starter help (Chris and Susie McGough) 26. 03:17 PM - SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning diagrams (Chris and Susie McGough) 27. 04:20 PM - Wiring NL starter problem solved (Chris and Susie McGough) 28. 05:15 PM - Re: Insurance was AFS Systems .... (G900X panel cost / Stick Clearance) (Larry Rosen) 29. 06:42 PM - Re: Recommendations for front air vents (Thane States) 30. 07:22 PM - Re: 12 "cigarette" receptacle (johngoodman) 31. 09:34 PM - PIREP: Electric Rudder Trim - Do I really need it? (Scott Schmidt) 32. 10:26 PM - Re: Wiring NL starter help (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:01 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" Check this out. I didn't really like the bulky cigarette-type power receptacles from Spruce or elsewhere (commonly with a flange on both sides for screw mounting), so I went to the aviation department at West Marine and found this one by Marinco. As you can see, it mounts with a screw-on ring in the back, so you've only got the diameter of the receptacle itself showing in front. There is an optional front flange if you want to use it. It also has a nice-sealing cap, being a marine product . . . I think it was $17.99 at my local West Marine. You landlubbers will have to go on their web site, if interested. TDT 40025 Wings going on soon! From: Dawson-Townsend [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: P1000230.JPG P1000230.JPG -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:24 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will always fall back on what the manufacturer says. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning No I did not know this does anyone know if Vans updated there plans as mine show to remove the jumper which will make it 24 volts!. regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jessen" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning > > Probably everyone knows about this but me, but since I just fried my > oil-soaked SkyTec starter on my GlaStar, I was perusing their web pages > and > found this: > > http://www.skytecair.com/Wiring_diag.htm > > Scroll down to the RV-10 wiring warning. If the shoe fits... > > John Jessen > 40328 building > GlaStar flying > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:22 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle Stein sells a really nice one for less than that, I think. It has a metal back ring that screws on. Very nice to work with (the receptacle and, as everybody already knows, Stein). do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 18, 2008, at 9:58 AM, Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote: > Check this out. I didn=92t really like the bulky cigarette-type power > receptacles from Spruce or elsewhere (commonly with a flange on both > sides for screw mounting), so I went to the aviation department at > West Marine and found this one by Marinco. As you can see, it > mounts with a screw-on ring in the back, so you=92ve only got the > diameter of the receptacle itself showing in front. There is an > optional front flange if you want to use it. It also has a nice- > sealing cap, being a marine product . . . > > I think it was $17.99 at my local West Marine. You landlubbers will > have to go on their web site, if interested. > > TDT > 40025 > Wings going on soon! > > > From: Dawson-Townsend [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu] > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:35 AM > To: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > Subject: P1000230.JPG > > > P1000230.JPG > > > -- > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:57 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning Mine wasn't from Van's, but it was recommended to me to go with the HT. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I > believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the > new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions > from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will > always fall back on what the manufacturer says. > > Michael > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:14 AM PST US From: "Doerr, Ray R [NTK]" Subject: RE: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning You don't get a Starter in the Van's FWF Kit. Thank You Ray Doerr -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will always fall back on what the manufacturer says. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:22 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning No I did not know this does anyone know if Vans updated there plans as mine show to remove the jumper which will make it 24 volts!. regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Jessen" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:47 AM Subject: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning > > Probably everyone knows about this but me, but since I just fried my > oil-soaked SkyTec starter on my GlaStar, I was perusing their web pages > and > found this: > > http://www.skytecair.com/Wiring_diag.htm > > Scroll down to the RV-10 wiring warning. If the shoe fits... > > John Jessen > 40328 building > GlaStar flying > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle From: "Robin Marks" I also didn't care for any aviation 12V receptacle I could source and the best looking one I could find was on one a 2008 Honda (CRV). Most newer Honda's used the same receptacle with a rectangular spring loaded cover plate and a nice 12V embossed on the face plate. I think I paid $20.00 each delivered from an online automotive supply house. Sorry no photos as I am traveling. Robin From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle Check this out. I didn't really like the bulky cigarette-type power receptacles from Spruce or elsewhere (commonly with a flange on both sides for screw mounting), so I went to the aviation department at West Marine and found this one by Marinco. As you can see, it mounts with a screw-on ring in the back, so you've only got the diameter of the receptacle itself showing in front. There is an optional front flange if you want to use it. It also has a nice-sealing cap, being a marine product . . . I think it was $17.99 at my local West Marine. You landlubbers will have to go on their web site, if interested. TDT 40025 Wings going on soon! From: Dawson-Townsend [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:35 AM Subject: P1000230.JPG P1000230.JPG -- ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:08 AM PST US From: Vernon Smith Subject: RE: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts Chris, I'm not sure if you got an answer. According to page 5-11 of Van's general instructions the 3/8" bolts require 160 to 190 inch pounds (13.3-15.8 foot pounds). And the 9/16" bolts 800-1000 inch pounds (66.6-83.3 foot pounds). NOTE: These values don't account for the preload of the nyloc or any lubric ate on the threads. Vern Smith (324 finishing) do not archive > From: VHMUM@bigpond.com> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:55:46 +1000> > --> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris and Susie McGough" > > Could s omeone look up the torque for me for those nas bolts that hold the > wings ===============> > > _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5 1N1653A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:05 AM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning The starter isn't part of the FWF. It's part of the engine. I don't know which one is included with which engine, but that depends on where you buy your engine, I imagine. The alternator is included in the FWF, and it is currently the Plane Power 60A. do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Apr 18, 2008, at 10:20 AM, RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: > > > > Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then > I believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then > the new diagram is correct. As always you should review the > instructions from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know > they will always fall back on what the manufacturer says. > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 5:22 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning > > > > > No I did not know this does anyone know if Vans updated there plans > as mine > show to remove the jumper which will make it 24 volts!. > > regards Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Jessen" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:47 AM > Subject: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning > > >> >> Probably everyone knows about this but me, but since I just fried my >> oil-soaked SkyTec starter on my GlaStar, I was perusing their web >> pages >> and >> found this: >> >> http://www.skytecair.com/Wiring_diag.htm >> >> Scroll down to the RV-10 wiring warning. If the shoe fits... >> >> John Jessen >> 40328 building >> GlaStar flying >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:29 AM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts Hi Chris,=0A=0ADid you receive a response? I need those torques, too.=0A=0ARoger=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A Fro m: Chris and Susie McGough =0A To: rv10- list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Wedne sday, April 16, 2008 9:55 PM=0A Subject: RV10-List: Torque wing bo ie McGough" >=0A=0A Could someone look up the torque for me for those nas bolts that hol d the =0A wings on? Cant find my red book=0A=0A regards Ch ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= ======================= w.matronics.com/contribution ======================= =================0A=0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:14 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning IF you have a prop/blade 'kick-back' the lightweight starter (LS) will fail. (It's happened to many). The Hi Torque starter was designed to eliminate that problem. Initially my engine had the LS but I upgraded it to the Hi Torque upon learning about the kickback issue. when you order your engine you should speficy the Hi Torque. (NL) starter. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Tim Olson wrote: > > Mine wasn't from Van's, but it was recommended to me to go > with the HT. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: >> >> >> Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I >> believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the >> new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions >> from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will >> always fall back on what the manufacturer says. >> >> Michael > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:52 AM PST US From: "Jay Rowe" Subject: RV10-List: wiring question Now deep into the wiring and panel placement but have several questions. 1) Trim wiring. Specifically what type of wire or bundle do I run from the panel to the three trim motors. I have used Stein's "servo" wire to feed the roll and pitch servos but that seems to have too many wires and some of the wires are too big. Do I make my own bundle or is there something available specifically for this chore? 2) The radio stack cooling fan I have has three ports but I can only find two ports on the radio stack. Do I use that other port to cool the Lightspeed console? And is there a preferred position to place that fan? Thanks everyone for the continued help. Jay Rowe 40301 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:29 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning I wasn't sure anymore what came with the FWF kit as I deleted so many things from it and added a couple like the PP alternator which wasn't standard yet then. One thing to note, if you end up with an LS there is a good chance Skytec will swap it for you for the difference assuming it's still NIB. If not you can probably sell it on eBay fairly easily considering how often the LS get mangled. The NL is definitely preferred for our engines nowadays. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning IF you have a prop/blade 'kick-back' the lightweight starter (LS) will fail. (It's happened to many). The Hi Torque starter was designed to eliminate that problem. Initially my engine had the LS but I upgraded it to the Hi Torque upon learning about the kickback issue. when you order your engine you should speficy the Hi Torque. (NL) starter. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Tim Olson wrote: > > Mine wasn't from Van's, but it was recommended to me to go > with the HT. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: >> >> >> Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I >> believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the >> new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions >> from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will >> always fall back on what the manufacturer says. >> >> Michael > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:51 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: wiring question Jay, Can't help you with the fans but this works well for the trim. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/wc2wire.php Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rowe" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:11:17 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: wiring question Now deep into the wiring and panel placement but have several questions.=C2 -1) Trim wiring. Specifically what type of wire or bundle do I run from t he panel to the three trim motors.=C2- I have used Stein's "servo" wire t o feed the roll and pitch servos but that seems to have too many wires and some of the wires are too big. Do I make my own bundle or is there somethin g available specifically for this chore?=C2-2)=C2- The radio stack cool ing fan I have has three ports but I can only find two ports on the radio s tack.=C2- Do I use that other=C2-port to=C2-cool the=C2-Lightspeed console?=C2- And is there a preferred position to place that fan?=C2- =C2-Thanks everyone for the continued help.=C2- Jay Rowe 40301 Upgrade Your Email - Click here! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:07 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning If you should shear the shearpin from kickback on the HT model, Skytec has placed a spare in RTV in the recess on top of the starter. A pretty easy fix away from home. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:32:22 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning I wasn't sure anymore what came with the FWF kit as I deleted so many things from it and added a couple like the PP alternator which wasn't standard yet then. One thing to note, if you end up with an LS there is a good chance Skytec will swap it for you for the difference assuming it's still NIB. If not you can probably sell it on eBay fairly easily considering how often the LS get mangled. The NL is definitely preferred for our engines nowadays. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning IF you have a prop/blade 'kick-back' the lightweight starter (LS) will fail. (It's happened to many). The Hi Torque starter was designed to eliminate that problem. Initially my engine had the LS but I upgraded it to the Hi Torque upon learning about the kickback issue. when you order your engine you should speficy the Hi Torque. (NL) starter. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Tim Olson wrote: > > Mine wasn't from Van's, but it was recommended to me to go > with the HT. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote: >> >> >> Which starter is Van selling with the FWF now? If it's the LS then I >> believe the original diagram is correct. If it's now the NL then the >> new diagram is correct. As always you should review the instructions >> from the manufacturer in addition to Van's. You know they will >> always fall back on what the manufacturer says. >> >> Michael > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:43 AM PST US From: gommone7@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:56 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: wiring question From: "orchidman" Jay, I am also running the same wiring as Rick. I also got mine from AS. It is one bundle to pull and not worry which wire is which. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Fuselage SB (N410GB reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177660#177660 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:17 AM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: wiring question Jay, Ray Allen sells wire that's perfect for their trim motors. It's very small diameter and the colors match the servos so you don't have to convert anything. If I had an extra cooling port I would consider blowing cool air up into the top of the panel area. It gets pretty hot up there. Also, put a few vent holes in the top of the glare sheild to let the heat out. My Dynon overtemped on a warm day last fall before I installed the cooling fan and vent holes. We put the fan laying flat so it pulls (cooler) air from the cockpit at about the level of the bottom of the panel. I also ran a couple cold air tubes from the fresh air NACA ducts to displace some warm air. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Rowe Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:11 AM Subject: RV10-List: wiring question Now deep into the wiring and panel placement but have several questions. 1) Trim wiring. Specifically what type of wire or bundle do I run from the panel to the three trim motors. I have used Stein's "servo" wire to feed the roll and pitch servos but that seems to have too many wires and some of the wires are too big. Do I make my own bundle or is there something available specifically for this chore? 2) The radio stack cooling fan I have has three ports but I can only find two ports on the radio stack. Do I use that other port to cool the Lightspeed console? And is there a preferred position to place that fan? Thanks everyone for the continued help. Jay Rowe 40301 Upgrade Your Email - Click here! ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:17 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning From: "tomhanaway" Ok, I've got a dog in this fight since I just ordered an IO-540 from Van's as part of their promotion. The Van's Lycoming engine comes with the LS starter on the crated engine. Since it's part of the OEM contract with Van's, it can't be changed. If you're ordering from an after market builder, you can specify the NL. I then spoke to the tech at Sky-Tech. The LS has a higher current draw than the NL and may not turn over the engine IF you've done a shoddy wiring job. The NL is recommended for that reason. As to kickback, that can happen depending on settings of a magneto. In my case, I plan to go with PMags for both. Skytech advised that they worked specifically with the PMag system guys to ensure that a kickback won't happen. Bottom line-Skytech changed the recommendation from LS to NL based on several engines having slow turnover due to restrictive wiring or low battery power. So I'll stay with the LS unless I do have a problem. If I was starting from scratch on the engine, I'd get the NL. Tom H. Boynton Beach, FL[color=black][/color] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177671#177671 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: oil cooler From: "lbgjb10" I'm looking at putting in a Stewart Warner dual flow oil cooler--told model is 8432R. Using Mattituck 10-540. Anyone use it--any problems or problems fitting it?? thanks larry b -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177676#177676 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:32 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: oil cooler I have Van's stock FWF cooler....I know I'm going to be changing it out...I just know it but I'm gonna try it first. This is my choice for replacment and it may another manuf. that Alex is selling but it is a much better oil cooler in many ways. Heres the link: http://www.aviationtechproducts.com/html/engine__parts.html Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "lbgjb10" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:11:47 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: oil cooler I'm looking at putting in a Stewart Warner dual flow oil cooler--told model is 8432R. Using Mattituck 10-540. Anyone use it--any problems or problems fitting it?? thanks larry b -------- Larry and Gayle N104LG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177676#177676 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:59 AM PST US From: "Paul Grimstad" Subject: Re: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle P1000230.JPGThey have a nice one at Aerocraft Parts: http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=901-0031&Category=51 ea08db-b876-4fd0-8c8b-dc2ba184c151 Paul Grimstad RV10 40450 Portland, Or. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:58 AM Subject: RV10-List: FW: 12 "cigarette" receptacle Check this out. I didn't really like the bulky cigarette-type power receptacles from Spruce or elsewhere (commonly with a flange on both sides for screw mounting), so I went to the aviation department at West Marine and found this one by Marinco. As you can see, it mounts with a screw-on ring in the back, so you've only got the diameter of the receptacle itself showing in front. There is an optional front flange if you want to use it. It also has a nice-sealing cap, being a marine product . . . I think it was $17.99 at my local West Marine. You landlubbers will have to go on their web site, if interested. TDT 40025 Wings going on soon! From: Dawson-Townsend [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:35 AM To: Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Subject: P1000230.JPG P1000230.JPG -- ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:13 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help Guys I am now stuck. I have the NL starter and also wired the plane as per Vans wiring kit which I now know is wrong for this starter. I contacted Vans and they are not interested in helping as not the starter they supply. Can somone have a look at the skytec diagram and give me an idea what wires to change. Ofcourse if you have not used Vans diagram you will not know the difference. Vans starter relay has 4 terminals and Skytec diagram has 3. Also Skytec has 1 wire going to the starter not 2. http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg Luckily John Jessen pointed this out regards Chris ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:52 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts Thanks Vern You should have got he email to Roger regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Standley To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts Hi Chris, Did you receive a response? I need those torques, too. Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris and Susie McGough To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 9:55 PM Subject: RV10-List: Torque wing bolts Could someone look up the torque for me for those nas bolts that hold the wings on? C======================== ======================nbsp; - The RV10-List Email Forum -http://www.===================== p; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.==== ===================nbsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribut====================== ================== ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:26:07 PM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help Chris, what chapter page is the Van's diagram? Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:54 PM Subject: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help Guys I am now stuck. I have the NL starter and also wired the plane as per Vans wiring kit which I now know is wrong for this starter. I contacted Vans and they are not interested in helping as not the starter they supply. Can somone have a look at the skytec diagram and give me an idea what wires to change. Ofcourse if you have not used Vans diagram you will not know the difference. Vans starter relay has 4 terminals and Skytec diagram has 3. Also Skytec has 1 wire going to the starter not 2. http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg Luckily John Jessen pointed this out regards Chris ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:12 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help OP37 -13 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help > > > Chris, what chapter page is the Van's diagram? > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie > McGough > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:54 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help > > > > Guys I am now stuck. I have the NL starter and also wired the plane as per > Vans wiring kit which I now know is wrong for this starter. I contacted > Vans > and they are not interested in helping as not the starter they supply. > > Can somone have a look at the skytec diagram and give me an idea what > wires > to change. Ofcourse if you have not used Vans diagram you will not know > the > difference. > > Vans starter relay has 4 terminals and Skytec diagram has 3. Also Skytec > has > 1 wire going to the starter not 2. > http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg > > Luckily John Jessen pointed this out > > regards Chris > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:20 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: RV10-List: SkyTec Starter Wiring Warning diagrams Here is the diagrams. The first is Vans which is how I have wired which is incorrect for the NL starter http://www.skytecair.com/images/Van's%20Starter%20Wiring%20RV10%20Lg.jpg This is the corect wiring. http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg Chris ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:53 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter problem solved Hi Chris You can use the 4 terminal solenoid - just use the 'S' terminal to your switch, leave the 'I' unconnected assuming you have the standard black starter solenoid. If you are still not sure then give me a call on 0412 624 723 and I'll walk you through it. I'm off test flying an Fadec equipped R7A (the old ICY ;-) but will be available during the day. Regards, Jake ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 6:54 AM Subject: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help > > > Guys I am now stuck. I have the NL starter and also wired the plane as per > Vans wiring kit which I now know is wrong for this starter. I contacted > Vans and they are not interested in helping as not the starter they > supply. > > Can somone have a look at the skytec diagram and give me an idea what > wires to change. Ofcourse if you have not used Vans diagram you will not > know the difference. > > Vans starter relay has 4 terminals and Skytec diagram has 3. Also Skytec > has 1 wire going to the starter not 2. > http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg > > Luckily John Jessen pointed this out > > regards Chris > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:15:31 PM PST US From: Larry Rosen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Insurance was AFS Systems .... (G900X panel cost / Stick Clearance) Here is the post John was referencing. It is slightly different than the information we got earlier where IFR GPS, and moving map and autopilot are required for the 10% discount from AIG. Just got my insurance bill for the renewal and SkySmith included the AIG "Technology Advanced Aircraft" discount requirements. The aircraft must have: 1.) IFR certified GPS, 2.) Moving map, 3.) two axis autopilot, plus any two from column B, including: TAWS, TCAS, Weather monitor (Stormscope, datalink, or radar), a fuel totalizer, and RNP capability. The pilot must have: 1.) Minimum Private/Instrument 2.) Current Instrument Proficiency Check, maintained annually 3.) Air Safety Foundation course completed, selected from 1.) single pilot IFR, 2.) Datalink, 3.) Thunderstorms, 4.) IFR GPS, and 5.) Runway Safety. These are available free and on-line and take about 30-40 minutes to complete. Meet these requirements and get a 10% discount from AIG!! John Cox wrote: > ... > On the Lancair site today there was a posting of new equipment > requirements and pilot requirements that trigger a 10% savings for > true Technically Advanced IFR Experimental equipped aircraft. Knowing > those components, choosing wisely, building safely and maintaining > currency of flight is going to have a positive impact and those are > good things. > > John C > > * > * ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:39 PM PST US From: "Thane States" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents Here are a few pics of my eyeball vent install as promised. Hope these are OK. Thane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thane States" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents > > Sorry the wife has camera. I will post some pics tomorrow. > Thane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "linn Walters" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:12 PM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Recommendations for front air vents > > >> >> Thane States wrote: >> >> >> snip >> >>> Let me know if you have questions. I also have a pic of the end >>> product, looks real clean, is easy to remove, and eliminates the ugly >>> white flange, and requires no hardware or glue. >> >> So, where's the picture??? Holding out for cash offers??? :-) >> Linn >> >>> >>> Thane >>> 803-396-8865 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:54 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: 12 "cigarette" receptacle From: "johngoodman" Funny that a cigarette lighter defines a standard. Sort of like the 4 feet 8.5 inches of a railroad track.... -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=177788#177788 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:08 PM PST US From: Scott Schmidt Subject: RV10-List: PIREP: Electric Rudder Trim - Do I really need it? Over the past month I have been heavily debating whether I should add electric rudder trim or not. Everyone who has it absolutely loves it and I know it would be great but I wanted to see if I could get away with just rudder trim tabs. I like to add stuff like electric trim but wanted to try the KISS principle first. For the first year I had one of the tabs from Avery on and it always needed a little more right rudder. Last year at Oshkosh I saw one RV-10 with two tabs (can't remember who) so I tried it out. I purchased another tab and temporarily mounted it so I now have two full tabs on the lower portion of my rudder. I have flown for 10 hours now with the two tabs and it seems to be working perfect. At 165 knots true the ball is perfectly centered. At 160 it is barely right and at 170 it is barely left. I am so pleased with the results that I am not going to add the electric trim for now. I believe the electric trim is the luxury way to go but I can now fly with both feet flat on the floor. Just thought I'd share my findings with you. Happy Flying! Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:27 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Wiring NL starter help I tend to think you have the wrong relay. The starter relay is normally an intermittentduty model, with 3 terminals as shown in the Skytec diagram. Master relays normally have 4 terminals. I note that the pictures in the Spruce catalog are also reversed. :-( Chris and Susie McGough wrote: > > > Guys I am now stuck. I have the NL starter and also wired the plane as > per Vans wiring kit which I now know is wrong for this starter. I > contacted Vans and they are not interested in helping as not the > starter they supply. > > Can somone have a look at the skytec diagram and give me an idea what > wires to change. Ofcourse if you have not used Vans diagram you will > not know the difference. > > Vans starter relay has 4 terminals and Skytec diagram has 3. Also > Skytec has 1 wire going to the starter not 2. > http://www.skytecair.com/images/NL%2012V%20Installation%20Wiring_1100.jpg > > Luckily John Jessen pointed this out > > regards Chris > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.