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1. 10:42 AM - 210HM (David McNeill)
2. 10:44 AM - 210HM (David McNeill)
3. 12:09 PM - Re: 210HM (Tim Olson)
4. 12:23 PM - Re: 210HM (orchidman)
5. 01:28 PM - Re: 210HM (Lew Gallagher)
6. 01:28 PM - Re: 210HM (Andy Turner)
7. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (Pascal)
8. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: 210HM - Lew (Marcus Cooper)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: Re: 210HM - Lew (Perry, Phil)
10. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
11. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (Dave Leikam)
12. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (Tim Olson)
13. 07:28 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (Rick Sked)
14. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (bruce breckenridge)
15. 07:56 PM - Re: 210HM (Lew Gallagher)
16. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: 210HM (Pascal)
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The preliminary NTSB report is availaable.
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If you want to see graphically the track, check www.flightware.com and zoom
in on the end of the track by resizing your browser to 200%.
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This link may make it easier to get the NTSB report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> If you want to see graphically the track, check www.flightware.com
> <http://www.flightware.com> and zoom in on the end of the track by
> resizing your browser to 200%.
>
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I believe the link to the track is www.flightaware.com and Tim's link is also broken. Guess we have fat fingers today [Laughing]
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
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Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I did. I
still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning. Hopefully I'm
just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
Here's Tim's unbroken link:
http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
Later, -Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
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Andy Turner
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Lew;
We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I would
encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has done for
his family in the plane these last couple of years
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every day;
some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they would do
something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly taking out the
garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know where I'm going and
I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I want to do what I always
wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my maiden flight, I'll be really
bummed but I did it doing something I was excited about.. the few we have
lost this last year perished doing what they loved..
I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at fly-in's,
in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get excited about
with flying..
Pascal
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From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I
> did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning.
> Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>
> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>
> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>
> Later, -Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
>
>
>
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Lew,
I'd like to add to Pascal's encouragement to you. I've been blessed with
the opportunity to fly a lot of airplanes, mostly fighters, and find the
RV-10 and general aviation flying to be some of the greatest experiences of
my life. This tragedy is certainly sad and disheartening, and for me
compounded by the loss of two more brethren here at Columbus AFB today, but
I wouldn't trade flying for anything in the world. The opportunities the
RV-10 has afforded my family are irreplaceable and I wouldn't be able to
spend the time with my daughters who are off in college anywhere close to
what I can now. The joy of flight, and in particular going places that the
RV-10 provide, are absolutely amazing. The losses of friends and fellow
aviators is devastating but I pray will not be more than a bump in the road
for your progress to personal success but will be lessons learned as to how
you train and act as a pilot.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I did.
I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning. Hopefully
I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
Here's Tim's unbroken link:
http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M5
4+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;heigh
t=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
Later, -Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
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I know the feeling, Lew.
Every time we lose someone close to the aviation family, I seem to pull
away from aviation too. About the only thing I've found that can get me
over it is to put the headset on and go for a flight. It recaptures my
imagination and once I've landed the plane, I realize I still know how
to fly safely.
Staying in the air has been important to my comfort level in flying. If
I go more than a couple of weeks without flying, I start getting scared.
Accidents or not.
It just amazes me that I can leave the planet in Texas, successfully
navigate across the US, and actually make that airplane touch down
within a pre-determined 50' x 50' square patch of the planet 4 states
away. Just the thought of that amazes me and scares me. To get over
it, I've just got to get in the air and prove to myself that everything
is A-OK.
Some days, I feel like I'm exposing myself to more risks that I'm
comfortable taking. There have been times that I've described aviation
to friends in the same terms as a drug addiction. (Not that I know what
that's like.)
I'm addicted to it. I've got to have it. I live for the next hit. I'm
willing to take risks for it. I'm willing to risk my life for it. It
has a tighter grip on me than I have on my own will power. Some days I
feel like I can't live with it, while I know I can't live without it.
I am a pilot. I know the risks. I'm addicted to flight (just like
those addicted to drugs) whether I like it or not. It's part of who I
am and I honestly don't think it's possible to put out the fire.
Hang in there. Deep down, I'm sure there is still a flame burning.
Don't let it go out. Just get in an airplane and go for a flight.
After you return to the planet, you'll remember why you fell in love
with flight the first time.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Cooper [mailto:coop85@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: 210HM - Lew
Lew,
I'd like to add to Pascal's encouragement to you. I've been blessed
with the opportunity to fly a lot of airplanes, mostly fighters, and
find the RV-10 and general aviation flying to be some of the greatest
experiences of my life. This tragedy is certainly sad and
disheartening, and for me compounded by the loss of two more brethren
here at Columbus AFB today, but I wouldn't trade flying for anything in
the world. The opportunities the RV-10 has afforded my family are
irreplaceable and I wouldn't be able to spend the time with my daughters
who are off in college anywhere close to what I can now. The joy of
flight, and in particular going places that the RV-10 provide, are
absolutely amazing. The losses of friends and fellow aviators is
devastating but I pray will not be more than a bump in the road for your
progress to personal success but will be lessons learned as to how you
train and act as a pilot.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I
did.
I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning.
Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
Here's Tim's unbroken link:
http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airport
s=M5
4+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;h
4+eigh
t=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
Later, -Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
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In a message dated 4/23/2008 3:30:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
lewgall@charter.net writes:
Later, -Lew
Lew...the idea in flying is to learn from others mistakes and have your own
set of limits...not always the published figures on plates...IMHO
Patrick
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Ditto!
Dave Leikam
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal" <rv10builder@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
> Lew;
> We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I
> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has
> done for his family in the plane these last couple of years
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every
> day; some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they
> would do something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly
> taking out the garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know
> where I'm going and I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I
> want to do what I always wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my maiden
> flight, I'll be really bummed but I did it doing something I was excited
> about.. the few we have lost this last year perished doing what they
> loved..
> I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at
> fly-in's, in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get
> excited about with flying..
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I
>> did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning.
>> Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>>
>> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>>
>> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>>
>> Later, -Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Lew, Pascal, and all,
Nothing I have to say is new at all, but I thought I'd share
my feelings. To me, all things involve risk, so I don't really
view the fact that it has risk as making the activity something
I'm averse to. I've never been skydiving (REAL skydiving), but
it drives me crazy to hear about people like my own brother
in law, who would LOVE to go skydiving, but simply won't because
his insurance wouldn't pay if he died. You're put on the earth
to LIVE life, and to me, it's all about what you're passionate
about...and fulfilling your dreams. There is a LOT you can
do, in ANY activity, to increase your odds, but in almost
ALL activities there is nothing you can do to guarantee your
safety. So, you simply live life to it's fullest, enjoying
the things you're passionate about....and you do what you can
to minimize your risks.
A couple days ago, I wanted to fill in the AOPA survey and
the question "What do you think is the most significant
deterrent to learning how to fly, besides cost?" I tell you,
I was totally stumped. So I asked a co-worker, who's expressed
interest, but never taken the plunge. She said "Probably
fear, that they won't be able to control the plane, and that
they'll hurt or kill themselves or someone else." I was
stunned at first. I couldn't believe it. To me, I always
had the passion, the dream, and the desire. The thought that
I would not be able to do it safely never entered my mind.
To me, if other people can fly planes, then because I WANT
to fly planes so bad, I can fly planes. After pondering
it for a while, I agreed with her and I filled in the survey.
I just didn't realize that some people let their fears
crush their passion like that, or perhaps their passion
wasn't as overwhelming to quench their fears.
So assuming that a person indeed has the passion in them
to partake in flying, my feeling is that those that
TRULY have that passion for excellence will also strive
for developing the knowledge and skill required to do
the flying they want to do. For me, one thing led to
another and I yearned for more. I love the complexity,
I love the challenge, I love flying in and out of IMC.
I love the clear sky days, and I love the low drizzly
days. But I also want to do it right, and be safe. I
have a fear in me, developed from reading all of the
negative examples that we have...."Aftermath"...."I learned
about flying from that", and so on... I put myself in
the cockpit when I read those stories, and I wonder...
what would be the way to prevent that situation? There
are many good people and good pilots who did some pretty
not-so-hot things that led to their demise. I'm no better
than them, but because they are my teacher, in some
respect, I hope to use them as a source of guidance,
and let them help me develop self-control. I don't want
to have the same fate, so when I fly, I constantly
analyze the safety of what I'm doing when I have those
critical decisions, and I remind myself what the cost
is if I fail. It's very humbling. But, the risk
does not kill my desire...because I KNOW....there is
no reason for me to meet the same fate....it's ALL IN
MY HANDS.
That leads me to re-tell a story. I had many good
opportunities for instilling respect and fear into
myself in actual IMC during my Instrument rating
training. I genuinely was NOT ready, 20 hours into
my training, to keep myself alive in IMC...and I knew
that. But, I kept flying with my pals....all CFI's,
in actual IMC and under the hood, to build confidence.
Finally the day came...well after obtaining that ticket,
for me to go fly in IMC on a perfect day. No reason,
just was the perfect 700' overcast day to go test
myself with, ... HA! ... that same risk-averse brother
in law of mine. I climbed out into the clouds, and
as soon as I was in IMC, I thought to myself "Man,
did YOU do it now....Now you're stuck...and you can't
get out of this with any help from anyone else...it's
only YOU who can bring you both down alive and safe."
I was genuinely fearful....but reminded myself that
I knew what to do...it was only executing those things
that I needed to do properly. The airplane was up to
it, if only I was too. Obviously, it went just fine,
or I'd not be here today. But, still to this day,
when I'm entering the clouds, I have similar feelings,
because I respect what I'm doing as "highly challenging"
and important to do well.
In reading the NTSB report, one cannot help to question
the pilot(s). It's our nature. "Why didn't they just
fly straight and level and get their bearings?" "Why
didn't they just hit the ONE button on their Autopilot
(assuming a TruTrak) that gives them instant heading
and altitude hold?" "Why didn't they ask for vectors
and just fly headings and vectors until they got to
some better conditions?" They're gone, so it's not
dishonoring them to ask....they're now our teachers.
What is obvious is that mistakes were made. Now, for
those who choose to fly in conditions like they were,
it's your job to find out what mistakes, and NOT make
them yourself. Remember them, and honor them by
bringing your craft and crew home safe, every time.
What can you do to help? Well, I for one, just did
an early BFR and IPC yesterday. Nothing wrong with
doing a AFR instead of a BFR right? (No, there is
no such thing as an Annual Flight Review...but hey,
it never hurts.) I want to make sure that not only
am I legal on paper, but that someone else critiques
me too. I don't WANT him to go easy on me. I did
some things and he asked if I wanted ATP standards
or normal. I chose ATP. I WANT to be tested.
As Phil mentioned, you get rusty and more fearful if
you don't fly often, so FLY OFTEN. This activity
isn't for the occasional pilot...one who goes up for
some touch and goes every 4 months. Stick with it...
get some time every month, even if it's only an hour.
Can you do that? I'm thinking that if you truly have
the passion, you'll make it happen. Flying isn't
for everyone...but anyone with the passion can make
it work for them.
The one thing that does concern me greatly is the
number of ZERO time pilots that are building RV-10's.
My CFII yesterday mentioned, when we discussed the
3 fatal RV-10 accidents, that we're very similar to
the Cirrus trends, but we're very similar planes.
He said the average Cirrus owner has something like
74 hours (unverified), and we both lamented at how
shockingly inadequate (sorry, really, I am) that can
be, for flying a plane with such performance. Sure, it
flies slow if throttle back, but it's slippery, and
it's light, and it demands respect. So, for those
out there that are very low or zero time pilots, please,
get in that plane with a CFI and put LOTS of time on
it if you insist on flying an RV-10 right away. LOTS
of time. You will never progress faster by any other
means than if you put on a LOT of time over a short
time span. If you can fly 200 hours in a year, you're
going to retain a lot more skill for many years, than
the guy who flies 20-45 hours a year. So look at it
as an investment, and just fork over for the avgas
and keep that plane in the air for a MINIMUM of 100
hours in the first year. The year I got my instrument
ticket I put in 100+ hours, and it was my biggest
year of skill growth ever...and it was the most
retained, at that. My first year in my RV-10 I put
on 200 hours. It's amazing how much comfort that brings
you.
So, if you truly have the passion, these accidents, and
NTSB reports won't stun you and set you back. They'll
make you think, and make you strive for more. And
you'll still gladly jump in the plane and go for a flight,
because you'll know that it CAN happen to you, but only
if you don't get out there and develop good skills,
and retain them. Anyone can fly a plane and bring it
back to earth with everyone alive. You just have to
NOT do the things that people do wrong....so learn from
the others who paid the price for your lesson...and
develop respect for flying and be safe.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
(sorry, I'll try for more brevity on the next few posts
to make up for this one.) ;)
Pascal wrote:
>
> Lew;
> We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I
> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has
> done for his family in the plane these last couple of years
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every
> day; some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they
> would do something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly
> taking out the garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know
> where I'm going and I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I
> want to do what I always wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my
> maiden flight, I'll be really bummed but I did it doing something I was
> excited about.. the few we have lost this last year perished doing what
> they loved..
> I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at
> fly-in's, in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get
> excited about with flying..
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad
>> I did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is
>> waning. Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>>
>> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>>
>> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>>
>>
>> Later, -Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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That's some of the best advice an insight I have ever read Tim.
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:10:34 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
Lew, Pascal, and all,
Nothing I have to say is new at all, but I thought I'd share
my feelings. To me, all things involve risk, so I don't really
view the fact that it has risk as making the activity something
I'm averse to. I've never been skydiving (REAL skydiving), but
it drives me crazy to hear about people like my own brother
in law, who would LOVE to go skydiving, but simply won't because
his insurance wouldn't pay if he died. You're put on the earth
to LIVE life, and to me, it's all about what you're passionate
about...and fulfilling your dreams. There is a LOT you can
do, in ANY activity, to increase your odds, but in almost
ALL activities there is nothing you can do to guarantee your
safety. So, you simply live life to it's fullest, enjoying
the things you're passionate about....and you do what you can
to minimize your risks.
A couple days ago, I wanted to fill in the AOPA survey and
the question "What do you think is the most significant
deterrent to learning how to fly, besides cost?" I tell you,
I was totally stumped. So I asked a co-worker, who's expressed
interest, but never taken the plunge. She said "Probably
fear, that they won't be able to control the plane, and that
they'll hurt or kill themselves or someone else." I was
stunned at first. I couldn't believe it. To me, I always
had the passion, the dream, and the desire. The thought that
I would not be able to do it safely never entered my mind.
To me, if other people can fly planes, then because I WANT
to fly planes so bad, I can fly planes. After pondering
it for a while, I agreed with her and I filled in the survey.
I just didn't realize that some people let their fears
crush their passion like that, or perhaps their passion
wasn't as overwhelming to quench their fears.
So assuming that a person indeed has the passion in them
to partake in flying, my feeling is that those that
TRULY have that passion for excellence will also strive
for developing the knowledge and skill required to do
the flying they want to do. For me, one thing led to
another and I yearned for more. I love the complexity,
I love the challenge, I love flying in and out of IMC.
I love the clear sky days, and I love the low drizzly
days. But I also want to do it right, and be safe. I
have a fear in me, developed from reading all of the
negative examples that we have...."Aftermath"...."I learned
about flying from that", and so on... I put myself in
the cockpit when I read those stories, and I wonder...
what would be the way to prevent that situation? There
are many good people and good pilots who did some pretty
not-so-hot things that led to their demise. I'm no better
than them, but because they are my teacher, in some
respect, I hope to use them as a source of guidance,
and let them help me develop self-control. I don't want
to have the same fate, so when I fly, I constantly
analyze the safety of what I'm doing when I have those
critical decisions, and I remind myself what the cost
is if I fail. It's very humbling. But, the risk
does not kill my desire...because I KNOW....there is
no reason for me to meet the same fate....it's ALL IN
MY HANDS.
That leads me to re-tell a story. I had many good
opportunities for instilling respect and fear into
myself in actual IMC during my Instrument rating
training. I genuinely was NOT ready, 20 hours into
my training, to keep myself alive in IMC...and I knew
that. But, I kept flying with my pals....all CFI's,
in actual IMC and under the hood, to build confidence.
Finally the day came...well after obtaining that ticket,
for me to go fly in IMC on a perfect day. No reason,
just was the perfect 700' overcast day to go test
myself with, ... HA! ... that same risk-averse brother
in law of mine. I climbed out into the clouds, and
as soon as I was in IMC, I thought to myself "Man,
did YOU do it now....Now you're stuck...and you can't
get out of this with any help from anyone else...it's
only YOU who can bring you both down alive and safe."
I was genuinely fearful....but reminded myself that
I knew what to do...it was only executing those things
that I needed to do properly. The airplane was up to
it, if only I was too. Obviously, it went just fine,
or I'd not be here today. But, still to this day,
when I'm entering the clouds, I have similar feelings,
because I respect what I'm doing as "highly challenging"
and important to do well.
In reading the NTSB report, one cannot help to question
the pilot(s). It's our nature. "Why didn't they just
fly straight and level and get their bearings?" "Why
didn't they just hit the ONE button on their Autopilot
(assuming a TruTrak) that gives them instant heading
and altitude hold?" "Why didn't they ask for vectors
and just fly headings and vectors until they got to
some better conditions?" They're gone, so it's not
dishonoring them to ask....they're now our teachers.
What is obvious is that mistakes were made. Now, for
those who choose to fly in conditions like they were,
it's your job to find out what mistakes, and NOT make
them yourself. Remember them, and honor them by
bringing your craft and crew home safe, every time.
What can you do to help? Well, I for one, just did
an early BFR and IPC yesterday. Nothing wrong with
doing a AFR instead of a BFR right? (No, there is
no such thing as an Annual Flight Review...but hey,
it never hurts.) I want to make sure that not only
am I legal on paper, but that someone else critiques
me too. I don't WANT him to go easy on me. I did
some things and he asked if I wanted ATP standards
or normal. I chose ATP. I WANT to be tested.
As Phil mentioned, you get rusty and more fearful if
you don't fly often, so FLY OFTEN. This activity
isn't for the occasional pilot...one who goes up for
some touch and goes every 4 months. Stick with it...
get some time every month, even if it's only an hour.
Can you do that? I'm thinking that if you truly have
the passion, you'll make it happen. Flying isn't
for everyone...but anyone with the passion can make
it work for them.
The one thing that does concern me greatly is the
number of ZERO time pilots that are building RV-10's.
My CFII yesterday mentioned, when we discussed the
3 fatal RV-10 accidents, that we're very similar to
the Cirrus trends, but we're very similar planes.
He said the average Cirrus owner has something like
74 hours (unverified), and we both lamented at how
shockingly inadequate (sorry, really, I am) that can
be, for flying a plane with such performance. Sure, it
flies slow if throttle back, but it's slippery, and
it's light, and it demands respect. So, for those
out there that are very low or zero time pilots, please,
get in that plane with a CFI and put LOTS of time on
it if you insist on flying an RV-10 right away. LOTS
of time. You will never progress faster by any other
means than if you put on a LOT of time over a short
time span. If you can fly 200 hours in a year, you're
going to retain a lot more skill for many years, than
the guy who flies 20-45 hours a year. So look at it
as an investment, and just fork over for the avgas
and keep that plane in the air for a MINIMUM of 100
hours in the first year. The year I got my instrument
ticket I put in 100+ hours, and it was my biggest
year of skill growth ever...and it was the most
retained, at that. My first year in my RV-10 I put
on 200 hours. It's amazing how much comfort that brings
you.
So, if you truly have the passion, these accidents, and
NTSB reports won't stun you and set you back. They'll
make you think, and make you strive for more. And
you'll still gladly jump in the plane and go for a flight,
because you'll know that it CAN happen to you, but only
if you don't get out there and develop good skills,
and retain them. Anyone can fly a plane and bring it
back to earth with everyone alive. You just have to
NOT do the things that people do wrong....so learn from
the others who paid the price for your lesson...and
develop respect for flying and be safe.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
(sorry, I'll try for more brevity on the next few posts
to make up for this one.) ;)
Pascal wrote:
>
> Lew;
> We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I
> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has
> done for his family in the plane these last couple of years
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every
> day; some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they
> would do something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly
> taking out the garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know
> where I'm going and I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I
> want to do what I always wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my
> maiden flight, I'll be really bummed but I did it doing something I was
> excited about.. the few we have lost this last year perished doing what
> they loved..
> I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at
> fly-in's, in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get
> excited about with flying..
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
>>
>> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad
>> I did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is
>> waning. Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>>
>> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>>
>> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>>
>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>>
>>
>> Later, -Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
>>
>>
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Word for word, a very encouraging and motivating statement of passion
guarded by wisdom. Thanks Tim. I am one of those low timers working on my
IFR ticket and loving every minute of it, yet nervous of the day when I'm on
my own and every move is up to me. Good words. Keep 'em coming!
Bruce
40018
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> Lew, Pascal, and all,
>
> Nothing I have to say is new at all, but I thought I'd share
> my feelings. To me, all things involve risk, so I don't really
> view the fact that it has risk as making the activity something
> I'm averse to. I've never been skydiving (REAL skydiving), but
> it drives me crazy to hear about people like my own brother
> in law, who would LOVE to go skydiving, but simply won't because
> his insurance wouldn't pay if he died. You're put on the earth
> to LIVE life, and to me, it's all about what you're passionate
> about...and fulfilling your dreams. There is a LOT you can
> do, in ANY activity, to increase your odds, but in almost
> ALL activities there is nothing you can do to guarantee your
> safety. So, you simply live life to it's fullest, enjoying
> the things you're passionate about....and you do what you can
> to minimize your risks.
>
> A couple days ago, I wanted to fill in the AOPA survey and
> the question "What do you think is the most significant
> deterrent to learning how to fly, besides cost?" I tell you,
> I was totally stumped. So I asked a co-worker, who's expressed
> interest, but never taken the plunge. She said "Probably
> fear, that they won't be able to control the plane, and that
> they'll hurt or kill themselves or someone else." I was
> stunned at first. I couldn't believe it. To me, I always
> had the passion, the dream, and the desire. The thought that
> I would not be able to do it safely never entered my mind.
> To me, if other people can fly planes, then because I WANT
> to fly planes so bad, I can fly planes. After pondering
> it for a while, I agreed with her and I filled in the survey.
> I just didn't realize that some people let their fears
> crush their passion like that, or perhaps their passion
> wasn't as overwhelming to quench their fears.
>
> So assuming that a person indeed has the passion in them
> to partake in flying, my feeling is that those that
> TRULY have that passion for excellence will also strive
> for developing the knowledge and skill required to do
> the flying they want to do. For me, one thing led to
> another and I yearned for more. I love the complexity,
> I love the challenge, I love flying in and out of IMC.
> I love the clear sky days, and I love the low drizzly
> days. But I also want to do it right, and be safe. I
> have a fear in me, developed from reading all of the
> negative examples that we have...."Aftermath"...."I learned
> about flying from that", and so on... I put myself in
> the cockpit when I read those stories, and I wonder...
> what would be the way to prevent that situation? There
> are many good people and good pilots who did some pretty
> not-so-hot things that led to their demise. I'm no better
> than them, but because they are my teacher, in some
> respect, I hope to use them as a source of guidance,
> and let them help me develop self-control. I don't want
> to have the same fate, so when I fly, I constantly
> analyze the safety of what I'm doing when I have those
> critical decisions, and I remind myself what the cost
> is if I fail. It's very humbling. But, the risk
> does not kill my desire...because I KNOW....there is
> no reason for me to meet the same fate....it's ALL IN
> MY HANDS.
>
> That leads me to re-tell a story. I had many good
> opportunities for instilling respect and fear into
> myself in actual IMC during my Instrument rating
> training. I genuinely was NOT ready, 20 hours into
> my training, to keep myself alive in IMC...and I knew
> that. But, I kept flying with my pals....all CFI's,
> in actual IMC and under the hood, to build confidence.
> Finally the day came...well after obtaining that ticket,
> for me to go fly in IMC on a perfect day. No reason,
> just was the perfect 700' overcast day to go test
> myself with, ... HA! ... that same risk-averse brother
> in law of mine. I climbed out into the clouds, and
> as soon as I was in IMC, I thought to myself "Man,
> did YOU do it now....Now you're stuck...and you can't
> get out of this with any help from anyone else...it's
> only YOU who can bring you both down alive and safe."
> I was genuinely fearful....but reminded myself that
> I knew what to do...it was only executing those things
> that I needed to do properly. The airplane was up to
> it, if only I was too. Obviously, it went just fine,
> or I'd not be here today. But, still to this day,
> when I'm entering the clouds, I have similar feelings,
> because I respect what I'm doing as "highly challenging"
> and important to do well.
>
> In reading the NTSB report, one cannot help to question
> the pilot(s). It's our nature. "Why didn't they just
> fly straight and level and get their bearings?" "Why
> didn't they just hit the ONE button on their Autopilot
> (assuming a TruTrak) that gives them instant heading
> and altitude hold?" "Why didn't they ask for vectors
> and just fly headings and vectors until they got to
> some better conditions?" They're gone, so it's not
> dishonoring them to ask....they're now our teachers.
> What is obvious is that mistakes were made. Now, for
> those who choose to fly in conditions like they were,
> it's your job to find out what mistakes, and NOT make
> them yourself. Remember them, and honor them by
> bringing your craft and crew home safe, every time.
>
> What can you do to help? Well, I for one, just did
> an early BFR and IPC yesterday. Nothing wrong with
> doing a AFR instead of a BFR right? (No, there is
> no such thing as an Annual Flight Review...but hey,
> it never hurts.) I want to make sure that not only
> am I legal on paper, but that someone else critiques
> me too. I don't WANT him to go easy on me. I did
> some things and he asked if I wanted ATP standards
> or normal. I chose ATP. I WANT to be tested.
> As Phil mentioned, you get rusty and more fearful if
> you don't fly often, so FLY OFTEN. This activity
> isn't for the occasional pilot...one who goes up for
> some touch and goes every 4 months. Stick with it...
> get some time every month, even if it's only an hour.
> Can you do that? I'm thinking that if you truly have
> the passion, you'll make it happen. Flying isn't
> for everyone...but anyone with the passion can make
> it work for them.
>
> The one thing that does concern me greatly is the
> number of ZERO time pilots that are building RV-10's.
> My CFII yesterday mentioned, when we discussed the
> 3 fatal RV-10 accidents, that we're very similar to
> the Cirrus trends, but we're very similar planes.
> He said the average Cirrus owner has something like
> 74 hours (unverified), and we both lamented at how
> shockingly inadequate (sorry, really, I am) that can
> be, for flying a plane with such performance. Sure, it
> flies slow if throttle back, but it's slippery, and
> it's light, and it demands respect. So, for those
> out there that are very low or zero time pilots, please,
> get in that plane with a CFI and put LOTS of time on
> it if you insist on flying an RV-10 right away. LOTS
> of time. You will never progress faster by any other
> means than if you put on a LOT of time over a short
> time span. If you can fly 200 hours in a year, you're
> going to retain a lot more skill for many years, than
> the guy who flies 20-45 hours a year. So look at it
> as an investment, and just fork over for the avgas
> and keep that plane in the air for a MINIMUM of 100
> hours in the first year. The year I got my instrument
> ticket I put in 100+ hours, and it was my biggest
> year of skill growth ever...and it was the most
> retained, at that. My first year in my RV-10 I put
> on 200 hours. It's amazing how much comfort that brings
> you.
>
> So, if you truly have the passion, these accidents, and
> NTSB reports won't stun you and set you back. They'll
> make you think, and make you strive for more. And
> you'll still gladly jump in the plane and go for a flight,
> because you'll know that it CAN happen to you, but only
> if you don't get out there and develop good skills,
> and retain them. Anyone can fly a plane and bring it
> back to earth with everyone alive. You just have to
> NOT do the things that people do wrong....so learn from
> the others who paid the price for your lesson...and
> develop respect for flying and be safe.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> (sorry, I'll try for more brevity on the next few posts
> to make up for this one.) ;)
>
>
> Pascal wrote:
>
>>
>> Lew;
>> We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I
>> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has done
>> for his family in the plane these last couple of years
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every
>> day; some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they would
>> do something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly taking out
>> the garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know where I'm going
>> and I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I want to do what I
>> always wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my maiden flight, I'll be
>> really bummed but I did it doing something I was excited about.. the few we
>> have lost this last year perished doing what they loved..
>> I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at
>> fly-in's, in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get
>> excited about with flying..
>> Pascal
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I
>>> did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning.
>>> Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>>>
>>> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>>>
>>> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>>>
>>> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>>>
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>>>
>>> Later, -Lew
>>>
>>> --------
>>> non-pilot
>>> crazy about building
>>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for responding to my thinly disguised plea for reassurance ... still bummed
for now.
"Let me sleep on it" - Meatloaf
Later, - Lew
do not archive
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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Tim;
I should have said ">> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great
articles on what he has
done for his family and builders with feedback in the plane these last
couple of years"
As always you have not let us down with your insight!
Thanks!
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>
> Lew, Pascal, and all,
>
> Nothing I have to say is new at all, but I thought I'd share
> my feelings. To me, all things involve risk, so I don't really
> view the fact that it has risk as making the activity something
> I'm averse to. I've never been skydiving (REAL skydiving), but
> it drives me crazy to hear about people like my own brother
> in law, who would LOVE to go skydiving, but simply won't because
> his insurance wouldn't pay if he died. You're put on the earth
> to LIVE life, and to me, it's all about what you're passionate
> about...and fulfilling your dreams. There is a LOT you can
> do, in ANY activity, to increase your odds, but in almost
> ALL activities there is nothing you can do to guarantee your
> safety. So, you simply live life to it's fullest, enjoying
> the things you're passionate about....and you do what you can
> to minimize your risks.
>
> A couple days ago, I wanted to fill in the AOPA survey and
> the question "What do you think is the most significant
> deterrent to learning how to fly, besides cost?" I tell you,
> I was totally stumped. So I asked a co-worker, who's expressed
> interest, but never taken the plunge. She said "Probably
> fear, that they won't be able to control the plane, and that
> they'll hurt or kill themselves or someone else." I was
> stunned at first. I couldn't believe it. To me, I always
> had the passion, the dream, and the desire. The thought that
> I would not be able to do it safely never entered my mind.
> To me, if other people can fly planes, then because I WANT
> to fly planes so bad, I can fly planes. After pondering
> it for a while, I agreed with her and I filled in the survey.
> I just didn't realize that some people let their fears
> crush their passion like that, or perhaps their passion
> wasn't as overwhelming to quench their fears.
>
> So assuming that a person indeed has the passion in them
> to partake in flying, my feeling is that those that
> TRULY have that passion for excellence will also strive
> for developing the knowledge and skill required to do
> the flying they want to do. For me, one thing led to
> another and I yearned for more. I love the complexity,
> I love the challenge, I love flying in and out of IMC.
> I love the clear sky days, and I love the low drizzly
> days. But I also want to do it right, and be safe. I
> have a fear in me, developed from reading all of the
> negative examples that we have...."Aftermath"...."I learned
> about flying from that", and so on... I put myself in
> the cockpit when I read those stories, and I wonder...
> what would be the way to prevent that situation? There
> are many good people and good pilots who did some pretty
> not-so-hot things that led to their demise. I'm no better
> than them, but because they are my teacher, in some
> respect, I hope to use them as a source of guidance,
> and let them help me develop self-control. I don't want
> to have the same fate, so when I fly, I constantly
> analyze the safety of what I'm doing when I have those
> critical decisions, and I remind myself what the cost
> is if I fail. It's very humbling. But, the risk
> does not kill my desire...because I KNOW....there is
> no reason for me to meet the same fate....it's ALL IN
> MY HANDS.
>
> That leads me to re-tell a story. I had many good
> opportunities for instilling respect and fear into
> myself in actual IMC during my Instrument rating
> training. I genuinely was NOT ready, 20 hours into
> my training, to keep myself alive in IMC...and I knew
> that. But, I kept flying with my pals....all CFI's,
> in actual IMC and under the hood, to build confidence.
> Finally the day came...well after obtaining that ticket,
> for me to go fly in IMC on a perfect day. No reason,
> just was the perfect 700' overcast day to go test
> myself with, ... HA! ... that same risk-averse brother
> in law of mine. I climbed out into the clouds, and
> as soon as I was in IMC, I thought to myself "Man,
> did YOU do it now....Now you're stuck...and you can't
> get out of this with any help from anyone else...it's
> only YOU who can bring you both down alive and safe."
> I was genuinely fearful....but reminded myself that
> I knew what to do...it was only executing those things
> that I needed to do properly. The airplane was up to
> it, if only I was too. Obviously, it went just fine,
> or I'd not be here today. But, still to this day,
> when I'm entering the clouds, I have similar feelings,
> because I respect what I'm doing as "highly challenging"
> and important to do well.
>
> In reading the NTSB report, one cannot help to question
> the pilot(s). It's our nature. "Why didn't they just
> fly straight and level and get their bearings?" "Why
> didn't they just hit the ONE button on their Autopilot
> (assuming a TruTrak) that gives them instant heading
> and altitude hold?" "Why didn't they ask for vectors
> and just fly headings and vectors until they got to
> some better conditions?" They're gone, so it's not
> dishonoring them to ask....they're now our teachers.
> What is obvious is that mistakes were made. Now, for
> those who choose to fly in conditions like they were,
> it's your job to find out what mistakes, and NOT make
> them yourself. Remember them, and honor them by
> bringing your craft and crew home safe, every time.
>
> What can you do to help? Well, I for one, just did
> an early BFR and IPC yesterday. Nothing wrong with
> doing a AFR instead of a BFR right? (No, there is
> no such thing as an Annual Flight Review...but hey,
> it never hurts.) I want to make sure that not only
> am I legal on paper, but that someone else critiques
> me too. I don't WANT him to go easy on me. I did
> some things and he asked if I wanted ATP standards
> or normal. I chose ATP. I WANT to be tested.
> As Phil mentioned, you get rusty and more fearful if
> you don't fly often, so FLY OFTEN. This activity
> isn't for the occasional pilot...one who goes up for
> some touch and goes every 4 months. Stick with it...
> get some time every month, even if it's only an hour.
> Can you do that? I'm thinking that if you truly have
> the passion, you'll make it happen. Flying isn't
> for everyone...but anyone with the passion can make
> it work for them.
>
> The one thing that does concern me greatly is the
> number of ZERO time pilots that are building RV-10's.
> My CFII yesterday mentioned, when we discussed the
> 3 fatal RV-10 accidents, that we're very similar to
> the Cirrus trends, but we're very similar planes.
> He said the average Cirrus owner has something like
> 74 hours (unverified), and we both lamented at how
> shockingly inadequate (sorry, really, I am) that can
> be, for flying a plane with such performance. Sure, it
> flies slow if throttle back, but it's slippery, and
> it's light, and it demands respect. So, for those
> out there that are very low or zero time pilots, please,
> get in that plane with a CFI and put LOTS of time on
> it if you insist on flying an RV-10 right away. LOTS
> of time. You will never progress faster by any other
> means than if you put on a LOT of time over a short
> time span. If you can fly 200 hours in a year, you're
> going to retain a lot more skill for many years, than
> the guy who flies 20-45 hours a year. So look at it
> as an investment, and just fork over for the avgas
> and keep that plane in the air for a MINIMUM of 100
> hours in the first year. The year I got my instrument
> ticket I put in 100+ hours, and it was my biggest
> year of skill growth ever...and it was the most
> retained, at that. My first year in my RV-10 I put
> on 200 hours. It's amazing how much comfort that brings
> you.
>
> So, if you truly have the passion, these accidents, and
> NTSB reports won't stun you and set you back. They'll
> make you think, and make you strive for more. And
> you'll still gladly jump in the plane and go for a flight,
> because you'll know that it CAN happen to you, but only
> if you don't get out there and develop good skills,
> and retain them. Anyone can fly a plane and bring it
> back to earth with everyone alive. You just have to
> NOT do the things that people do wrong....so learn from
> the others who paid the price for your lesson...and
> develop respect for flying and be safe.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> (sorry, I'll try for more brevity on the next few posts
> to make up for this one.) ;)
>
>
> Pascal wrote:
>>
>> Lew;
>> We all miss our fellow builders who have perished in the last year. I
>> would encourage you to read some of Tim's great articles on what he has
>> done for his family in the plane these last couple of years
>> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/index.html and remember people die every
>> day; some doing what they enjoy, some while waiting for that day they
>> would do something they wanted to do and some completely unexpectedly
>> taking out the garbage they hated doing.. I too will go one day, I know
>> where I'm going and I'm pretty excited about it, but in the meantime I
>> want to do what I always wanted (build a plane) and if I die on my maiden
>> flight, I'll be really bummed but I did it doing something I was excited
>> about.. the few we have lost this last year perished doing what they
>> loved..
>> I encourage you to think of all those trips to meet many of us at
>> fly-in's, in Oregon for Van's open house, etc.. there is so much to get
>> excited about with flying..
>> Pascal
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: 210HM
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Tim, I never would have found it ... now I'm not sure I'm glad I
>>> did. I still love building, but my curiosity about flying is waning.
>>> Hopefully I'm just temporarily discouraged. What a loss.
>>>
>>> Here's Tim's unbroken link:
>>>
>>> http://www.ntsb.gov:80/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id 080422X00528&key=1
>>>
>>> Here's the address of the flight (you may have to copy and paste it):
>>>
>>> http://flightaware.com/live/flight_track_bigmap.rvt?ident=N210HM;airports=M54+KEUF;key d4df5c6845e46bcf7468a922905557f369ebd5;keytime=1208981350;height=340;width=400;departuretime=1207580400;arrivaltime=1207585140
>>>
>>> Later, -Lew
>>>
>>> --------
>>> non-pilot
>>> crazy about building
>>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178741#178741
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
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