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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Phase 1 update (Damon Wack)
2. 04:41 AM - Re: flap speeds (orchidman)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Phase 1 update (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
4. 08:10 AM - Trutrak autopilots (Fred Williams, M.D.)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (John Jessen)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Tim Olson)
7. 08:59 AM - OSH (David McNeill)
8. 09:21 AM - Re: OSH (Tim Olson)
9. 09:21 AM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (pascal)
10. 09:45 AM - Overhead Console? (Chase Snodgrass)
11. 09:55 AM - Re: OSH (David McNeill)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Overhead Console? (Deems Davis)
13. 11:07 AM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Cox)
14. 11:10 AM - Re: Overhead Console? (Fred Williams, M.D.)
15. 11:12 AM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Cox)
16. 11:34 AM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Strain)
17. 12:08 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (Deems Davis)
18. 12:24 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Jessen)
19. 12:40 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Strain)
20. 12:40 PM - It's Official! (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
21. 12:44 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (linn Walters)
22. 12:47 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (John Cox)
23. 12:58 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (bcondrey)
24. 01:32 PM - Re: It's Official! (Vernon Smith)
25. 02:54 PM - Re: Re: Overhead Console? (Bob Leffler)
26. 02:56 PM - Re: It's Official! (Bob Leffler)
27. 03:22 PM - Garmin Rapair - Customer Beware (DejaVu)
28. 04:54 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Rick Sked)
29. 04:56 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Rick Sked)
30. 05:34 PM - Re: It's Official! (gary)
31. 05:34 PM - Trutrak (Fred Williams, M.D.)
32. 05:59 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Marcus Cooper)
33. 06:00 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (Marcus Cooper)
34. 06:28 PM - Van's support to international customers (McGANN, Ron)
35. 06:46 PM - Building Sequence - how long can I delay riveting the fiberglass top on? (MauleDriver)
36. 06:46 PM - Re: Van's support to international customers (Rick Sked)
37. 07:12 PM - Re: Building Sequence - how long can I delay riveting the fiberglass top on? (Rick Sked)
38. 07:14 PM - Re: Van's support to international customers (Robin Marks)
39. 07:16 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (Robert Wright)
40. 07:20 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Robert Wright)
41. 07:27 PM - Re: Trutrak autopilots (Bill Schlatterer)
42. 08:45 PM - Re: Overhead Console? (Kelly McMullen)
43. 09:25 PM - Re: Garmin Rapair - Customer Beware (Steven DiNieri)
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| Subject: | Re: Phase 1 update |
Hey Jim, I don't believe so, the oil seemed to settle in at the ten qt
amount, unless I was doing a lot of inverted or negative g stuff, and
then it would drop below 10 pretty quickly. Anything more than ten
would blow off very quickly. The Pitts had the same horsepower as the
RV, the Extra was a 300hp version. I don't know if there are any
other differences.
Damon
On May 1, 2008, at 10:36 PM, jim berry wrote:
>
> Damon,
>
> Ten quarts seems high for an IO540. Dose that include what went to
> your inverted oil system?
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482
> 25 years in a Pitts S1S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180619#180619
>
>
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scottmschmidt(at)yahoo.co wrote:
> Does anyone have a .pdf that Van's supplies with the finishing kit describing
the first flight as well as flap speeds?
> For me, it is 120 knots for the first, then below 90 knots for everything else.
> Typically it is 85 knots for the second notch, then 80 for the third.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
> ---
Have you checked Van's FAQ's 'Airspeed Indicator Markings' page?
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/speeds.pdf
It lists all the RV's airspeed indicator markings.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Fuselage SB
(N410GB reserved)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180649#180649
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Jesse is right, my IO-540D4A5 likes 8.5 quarts. It will pretty
much stay there for 50 hours with =BD quart maybe added a couple of times
in the 50 Tach hours between Oil changes. And for oil changes, I add 9 qua
rts which after running through the filter and lines is about perfect at 8.
5 quarts. Your mileage may vary.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
N519RV (40250) Still in the paint shop.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Phase 1 update
FWIW, the IO-540, in my experience, will not hold more than 9 quarts for ve
ry long. It will blow it through the breather very quickly down to about 8
-9 quarts. I wouldn't use that number as a stabilizing number for the engi
ne if you started with 13 quarts. You may see that same trend if you fille
d it up to 12 right now.
Keep up the good safe flying.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com<mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 1, 2008, at 6:47 PM, David McNeill wrote:
Now at 12.4 hours and 21 landings including some gusting crosswinds. Oil co
nsumption is beginning to stabilize. Of the 13 quarts poured into the engin
e at this point nine are still showing on the oil stick. considering the oi
l filter , this is a consumption of 3-4 quarts during this past week of fly
ing. During the last two days of flights, consumption has been about half a
quart (over 3.5 flight hours). CHTs with full rich mixture have been 340-3
60 for cylinders 2,3,4,5. CHT for 6 is 360-390. and cylinder 1 has been as
high as 433 for a short period during the climb. It then settled 395-405. R
ecently the temperatures have not stayed as high as long and I have been ab
le to lean fuel flow so that EGTs are approx 1350F. Full rich EGTs will be
approx. 1200+. Considerable right rudder required during takeoff and climb.
Some still required at cruise. After phase I , I will place a fixed tab on
the rudder to compensate during cruise. At this point , I don't' know whet
her rudder trim would be worthwhile. I plan to re evaluate after painting a
nd rebalancing of the ailerons. (My Glastar had a distinct desire to turn r
ight as speed increased but after painting and a balancing of the ailerons
to the nearest gram the tendency went away). The digiflie II autopilot wor
ks fine with Cheltons in the basic GPSS track mode with altitude hold. It d
oes not work with VNAV at all. I am told I need the 2.24 software versus th
e 2.2 that I have installed. I will get that during paint. On the other han
d instrument approaches with the VNAV and HITS are very easy to hand fly. A
series of skyway boxes take the pilot through the intermediate fixes and t
o the missed approach point. If a miss is necessary the boxes lead the way
back to the missed approach hold. Next on the agenda is some slow flight an
d stall to see how slow we can reasonably fly this thing on landings. On Al
ex's advice I started at 80 kts on final and have worked down to 70-75 on s
hort final. I noticed that today the Chelton indicated just under 60 kts ab
out the time of touchdown. Be advised also that the low wing provides a goo
d ground effect and any excess speed will use lots of runway. If your initi
al test runway is less than 3000 feet you might want to consider first flig
ht elsewhere; additionally fire rescue, if needed, would be nice. FFZ has 5
200 feet paved and onsite fire rescue; thankfully they were not needed. One
other thing, the fuel caps as supplied by Van's QB had a little residue on
one of them ; also a little nick , at any rate after filling the tank a sm
all venting of fuel occurs after takeoff. It tends to go away at cruise. I
have switched sides for the caps to determine whether the problem follows t
he cap. More later.
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| Subject: | Trutrak autopilots |
I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get
to pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I
planned on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
by not getting that feature.
Little miffed this am......
Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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| Subject: | Trutrak autopilots |
What's in the water at Bend! Good grief. So sorry to hear this, Fred.
John J
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this am.
(I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak autopilots |
It would depend on the rest of your panel. If you have an
EFIS that will drive the vertical steering, you will love
the AP being able to do it. Keep in mind that LOTS of
accidents happen IFR because a pilot dropped below the
approach slope....and then end up in the trees, towers, or
mountains. So it's kind of a nice feature in that if you
have the right avionics behind it, it'll just drive you
on down. No, it doesn't excuse you from making power
and trim adjustments (although there is auto-trim
available on some), but it's real easy to pull the power
back and the AP will let you know if you need to re-trim.
Personally, I'd say it's well worth it if you're going
to fly other avionics that can drive it. If you only
have a real basic EFIS that is more of a 6-pack replacement,
or you don't have a 430W/480 type system, then you
may as well skip on the Vertical. BTW: You can always
upgrade it later, for I *think* no additional cost beyond
the price difference, so you're only a TruTrak software
upgrade away from it if you decide to start without
the "V".
The avionics business is tough, so it's important to try
to pick those vendors that have been reliable for their
customers. If this were eBay, you'd want to verify the
"postive feedback" count, and shop for a power seller
with a good rating. Accuracy wasn't necessarily a place
out to screw anyone, but if there were a feedback system
like eBay, I bet you'd find there wasn't much to be had
to know what the track record was.
Would be cool if there were such a rating system for our
vendors, don't you think?
I just got done getting some HD Camcorder stuff....and one
of the things I did before buying was check
resellerratings.com on every vendor I was interested in.
You find out fast who's reliable.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
> Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
> am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
> out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get
> to pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I
> planned on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
>
> I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
> feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
> climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
> basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
> to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
> by not getting that feature.
> Little miffed this am......
> Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
>
> Thanks in advance for the replies.
>
> Dr Fred
> 40515
> Now in panel assembly hell.
>
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Do we have a pliminary count of RV10s at OSH this year? I have been talking
to EAA OSH to determine where they plan to park RVs or whether it is just
HBP out west of 18-36. My concern is my visit is always first IFR in on
Thursday AM and first IFR out on Sun AM. Getting to the active without
flagman or assistance is paramount. I believe Claude and I will tent camp in
Scholler with the rest of the 10 crowd.
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I don't know if it will be even possible to get in and out without
flagmen. They want to be there for all operations when pulling in
and out of the RV lot. But, they're generally available for
the whole timeframe.
No idea on the -10 count...my guess?....maybe 40 over the week,
with some early and some late.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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David McNeill wrote:
> Do we have a pliminary count of RV10s at OSH this year? I have been
> talking to EAA OSH to determine where they plan to park RVs or whether
> it is just HBP out west of 18-36. My concern is my visit is always first
> IFR in on Thursday AM and first IFR out on Sun AM. Getting to the active
> without flagman or assistance is paramount. I believe Claude and I will
> tent camp in Scholler with the rest of the 10 crowd.
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak autopilots |
The avionics business is tough, so it's important to try to pick those
vendors that have been reliable for theircustomers. If this were eBay,
you'd want to verify the "postive feedback" count, and shop for a power
seller with a good rating.
I think this is pretty easy actually. We know Steinair, Stark are rated well
by many, all one needs to do is ask what others recommend and that would be
like a "power seller".
I am all for saving a few bucks and I know there is someone on this forum
that would be able to get me the best deals on Trutrak, AFS and some other
companies. I know because I asked for a good place to get these things and
that person sent me some suggestions.. The good thing about all of us is
that we are building the same plane so it makes it actually better than ebay
in a way.
I always heard good things about Accuracy so I am surprised to hear they
were not able to succeed with the Lancair backers and their reputation.
Sorry to hear about your dilemma..
Pascal
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From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilots
>
> It would depend on the rest of your panel. If you have an
> EFIS that will drive the vertical steering, you will love
> the AP being able to do it. Keep in mind that LOTS of
> accidents happen IFR because a pilot dropped below the
> approach slope....and then end up in the trees, towers, or
> mountains. So it's kind of a nice feature in that if you
> have the right avionics behind it, it'll just drive you
> on down. No, it doesn't excuse you from making power
> and trim adjustments (although there is auto-trim
> available on some), but it's real easy to pull the power
> back and the AP will let you know if you need to re-trim.
>
> Personally, I'd say it's well worth it if you're going
> to fly other avionics that can drive it. If you only
> have a real basic EFIS that is more of a 6-pack replacement,
> or you don't have a 430W/480 type system, then you
> may as well skip on the Vertical. BTW: You can always
> upgrade it later, for I *think* no additional cost beyond
> the price difference, so you're only a TruTrak software
> upgrade away from it if you decide to start without
> the "V".
>
> The avionics business is tough, so it's important to try
> to pick those vendors that have been reliable for their
> customers. If this were eBay, you'd want to verify the
> "postive feedback" count, and shop for a power seller
> with a good rating. Accuracy wasn't necessarily a place
> out to screw anyone, but if there were a feedback system
> like eBay, I bet you'd find there wasn't much to be had
> to know what the track record was.
>
> Would be cool if there were such a rating system for our
> vendors, don't you think?
>
> I just got done getting some HD Camcorder stuff....and one
> of the things I did before buying was check
> resellerratings.com on every vendor I was interested in.
> You find out fast who's reliable.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Fred Williams, M.D. wrote:
>> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>>
>> I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
>> Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
>> am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
>> out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get to
>> pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I planned
>> on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
>>
>> I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
>> feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
>> climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
>> basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
>> to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
>> by not getting that feature.
>> Little miffed this am......
>> Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
>>
>> Thanks in advance for the replies.
>>
>> Dr Fred
>> 40515
>> Now in panel assembly hell.
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
Chase Snodgrass
Presidio, TX
http://flybigbend.com
40820/40821 RV-10 Twins
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I have doing this for the last 10 years and there have never been flagmen
there at 0600; much less ready to work. Guess it will be the HBP bullpen for
me. I guessed that with more than 100 10s flying that the attendance number
would be higher.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: OSH
I don't know if it will be even possible to get in and out without flagmen.
They want to be there for all operations when pulling in and out of the RV
lot. But, they're generally available for the whole timeframe.
No idea on the -10 count...my guess?....maybe 40 over the week, with some
early and some late.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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David McNeill wrote:
> Do we have a pliminary count of RV10s at OSH this year? I have been
> talking to EAA OSH to determine where they plan to park RVs or whether
> it is just HBP out west of 18-36. My concern is my visit is always
> first IFR in on Thursday AM and first IFR out on Sun AM. Getting to
> the active without flagman or assistance is paramount. I believe
> Claude and I will tent camp in Scholler with the rest of the 10 crowd.
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
The Flightline A/C guy/s http://flightlineac.com/home have one that
they sell/include with their air conditioning system. when I spoke to
John Strain some time ago he said they would sell the Ohead separate.
It's basically a knock-off of the Accuracy.
But, beware, They are ALSO located in BEND !
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Chase Snodgrass wrote:
>
> On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
> belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
>
> Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
If anyone wants to surrender a molded and unadulterated Accuracy
avionics overhead console/plenum, I will tackle the task with Composites
Unlimited (who have an unblemished record of mold building, product
development and financial stability) to create a production mold to
Carry ON.
It is my conclusion that the problem is much like hospital based staph
infections. It comes from the rarified air of the Central Oregon high
plains and the specific Hysol solvents used in the Lancair Factory Build
program. Scores of former Lancair employees would feel euphoric and
strike out on their own with little financial backing or sound business
training. They would become intoxicated by the large sums of money they
watched flow into the builder program and fly out on the backs of
turbo-prop powered aircraft.
This should not be any reflection on the countless scores of
hardworking, ethical and moral Oregon individuals who have brought you
VANS, EI, Precise Flight, Mountain High, AFS, Epic or scores of other
quality kitbuilt products.
If I am successful at landing the job of Oregon Airports Manager at the
state level, I will do what I can to build a stronger base.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chase
Snodgrass
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
<airplanedriver@gmail.com>
On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
Chase Snodgrass
Presidio, TX
http://flybigbend.com
40820/40821 RV-10 Twins
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
Chase;
I was able to talk with one of the employees today. For some reason no
one is answering the 1-800 number.....
I'll try and find out who they were getting the fiberglass parts from
when I am able to talk to my contact.
And thanks you 'll for letting me vent a little this am. No body
understands the frustration more than a bunch of builders.
Dr Fred.
another life lesson learned.
Chase Snodgrass wrote:
>
> On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
> belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
>
> Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
>
> Chase Snodgrass
> Presidio, TX
> http://flybigbend.com
> 40820/40821 RV-10 Twins
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
As I was (and am) the guy who connected Ed Hayden and John Strain
together for the first A/C unit for the RV-10, you can be assured that
my cousins Vinny and Guido will visit him if he tries such a sophomoric
stunt. Fortunately he has very little time on the shop floor at Lancair
(Redmond), where those fumes might permeate.
The Oregon Department of Aviation Board is meeting in Bend on May 21st
and I will make a point of putting the issue on their agenda for
discussion - formally.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
The Flightline A/C guy/s http://flightlineac.com/home have one that
they sell/include with their air conditioning system. when I spoke to
John Strain some time ago he said they would sell the Ohead separate.
It's basically a knock-off of the Accuracy.
But, beware, They are ALSO located in BEND !
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Chase Snodgrass wrote:
<airplanedriver@gmail.com>
>
> On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
> belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
>
> Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
Fred, Deems, and RV10 gang,
John from Flightline AC, Inc here,
Yes we are in Bend, but so is Precise Flight, EI, Mountain High, Cessna,
Epic, Advanced Aviation, RDD, Fibercrafters, LancAir, Snowline and a whole
bunch of others who are very viable companies and who still lead the way in
experimental and certified aircraft development. Bend isn't a curse, but
there have been some businesses that for various reasons haven't made it.
Now to your solution....
We do offer our overhead (completely different than the Advanced Avionics)
separately or included in our air conditioning kit. Ours is designed to be
integral and bonded into the canopy. We have one more of our prototype
unit, and several of our latest design boxed and ready to go. The prototype
unit is the same as the one that is now offered by Saint Aviation. We will
sell our last one for $395.00. I am not sure what Jesse will be selling
theirs for, but it is from the same mold. He has one installed in Steve's
newly repainted 10 and it really looked good at SnF with the leather
interior. Our latest design is a 2 piece for easier installation and less
expensive shipping. It sells for $595.00 or can be included in an ac kit.
As far as designed for delivering air throughout the cabin, the Flightline 1
(aka by us as the one offered by Saint Aviation) and the Flightline 2
offered by us are the best in the industry. Neither have DVD or clothes
hanger racks in them, but could be added if someone spent a little time on
the design and glass work.
Thanks for the plug???? Deems, you really ought to visit here before we all
end up having to come stay with your because of the hard times that Bend has
dealt us. It really is a great place and the aviation community is very
strong and active here.
John
John N. Strain II
Flightline AC, Inc
P.O. Box 5309
Bend, Or 97708
541-815-8935 Cell
541-330-5466 Office
541-312-4257 Fax
john@flightlineac.com
www.flightlineac.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
The Flightline A/C guy/s http://flightlineac.com/home have one that
they sell/include with their air conditioning system. when I spoke to
John Strain some time ago he said they would sell the Ohead separate.
It's basically a knock-off of the Accuracy.
But, beware, They are ALSO located in BEND !
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
Chase Snodgrass wrote:
<airplanedriver@gmail.com>
>
> On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
> belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
>
> Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
Didn't mean to imply anything, just having some fun and bouncing off J
Jensen's previous post. Actually Bend was/is a favorite of ours. We
usually fly into Sun River and stay there. I bought a V35 (N7828R) from
Randy Goering, who had his home/shop/strip just east of Bend, at the
time he was out in the tulies, but has probably been surrounded by the
growth now.
Deems
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PS
You all are still welcome to come and visit/stay with us here in the
Valley of the Sun!!
>
> Thanks for the plug???? Deems, you really ought to visit here before we all
> end up having to come stay with your because of the hard times that Bend has
> dealt us. It really is a great place and the aviation community is very
> strong and active here.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
It's JESSEN...... The Jensen's, we don't talk to. They're very, very
strange....
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
Didn't mean to imply anything, just having some fun and bouncing off J
Jensen's previous post. Actually Bend was/is a favorite of ours. We usually
fly into Sun River and stay there. I bought a V35 (N7828R) from Randy
Goering, who had his home/shop/strip just east of Bend, at the time he was
out in the tulies, but has probably been surrounded by the growth now.
Deems
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PS
You all are still welcome to come and visit/stay with us here in the Valley
of the Sun!!
>
> Thanks for the plug???? Deems, you really ought to visit here before
> we all end up having to come stay with your because of the hard times
> that Bend has dealt us. It really is a great place and the aviation
> community is very strong and active here.
>
> John
>
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
No offense taken. Still here when you need us.
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
Didn't mean to imply anything, just having some fun and bouncing off J
Jensen's previous post. Actually Bend was/is a favorite of ours. We
usually fly into Sun River and stay there. I bought a V35 (N7828R) from
Randy Goering, who had his home/shop/strip just east of Bend, at the
time he was out in the tulies, but has probably been surrounded by the
growth now.
Deems
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PS
You all are still welcome to come and visit/stay with us here in the
Valley of the Sun!!
>
> Thanks for the plug???? Deems, you really ought to visit here before we
all
> end up having to come stay with your because of the hard times that Bend
has
> dealt us. It really is a great place and the aviation community is very
> strong and active here.
>
> John
>
>
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Just finished up with the DAR and #40105 is now N442PM in every respect!
No squawks found during the inspection, just have to put everything back
together... First flight will wait until weather conditions locally
improve a bit.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
John Jessen wrote:
>
>It's JESSEN...... The Jensen's, we don't talk to. They're very, very
>strange....
>
Yeah, but they fly some neat stuff!!! :-)
Linn .... who still remembers
>
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
It is still out in the tulies, but holds promise with the new Resort
Community (Brasada) going up on west face of Powell Butte with vistas of
the entire snow covered Cascade range. His wife's 5,000 foot runway was
given initial consideration by Joe Bartels to move Lancair from Redmond
where the Port Manager is to say the least Air Carrier Capitalistic with
no flare for the General Aviation Entrepreneur. it likes just yards
outside of the Deschutes County political jurisdiction which helps its
chances.
It's great to know that Vinny and Guido have no need to visit John and
his fine supply of air conditioning systems for our moisture and
temperature impaired southern brethren. The light is ON for the Pacific
NW RV-10 builder shindig next Saturday. Yeh All should contact John
Jessen if you can fly your Rv-10 into Dietz Airpark for the get
together.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Overhead Console?
Didn't mean to imply anything, just having some fun and bouncing off J
Jensen's previous post. Actually Bend was/is a favorite of ours. We
usually fly into Sun River and stay there. I bought a V35 (N7828R) from
Randy Goering, who had his home/shop/strip just east of Bend, at the
time he was out in the tulies, but has probably been surrounded by the
growth now.
Deems
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You all are still welcome to come and visit/stay with us here in the
Valley of the Sun!!
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
John,
I wouldn't copy the Accuracy OH console directly - fit is poor as it was delivered.
With some misc cutting/fitting/filling it looks great, but it somebody was
making a mold I wouldn't consider them ideal.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180778#180778
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Congratulations & happy flying!
Vern Smith #324 finishing
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Subject: RV10-List: It's Official!Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:37:32 -0700From:
bob.condrey@baesystems.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.com
Just finished up with the DAR and #40105 is now N442PM in every respect! N
o squawks found during the inspection, just have to put everything back tog
ether=85 First flight will wait until weather conditions locally improve a
bit.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
I know that Tony just rework the console recently. I wonder if anyone has
received one of the new ones and if they fit any better.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:56 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Overhead Console?
John,
I wouldn't copy the Accuracy OH console directly - fit is poor as it was
delivered. With some misc cutting/fitting/filling it looks great, but it
somebody was making a mold I wouldn't consider them ideal.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=180778#180778
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Great news! Looking forward to seeing you, Susan, and N442PM at OSH.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: It's Official!
Just finished up with the DAR and #40105 is now N442PM in every respect! No
squawks found during the inspection, just have to put everything back
together. First flight will wait until weather conditions locally improve a
bit.
Bob
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| Subject: | Garmin Rapair - Customer Beware |
Short story: if Garmin replaces a light bulb in your unit, it's $800. I wa
s totally unaware but you can find the verbage in their warranty online. I
was expecting someone to call first.
Long story: Lost the transmitter on my comm radio on the 430 on the way bac
k from SNF, reception was fine. Trouble shooting showed transmitter output
was a whopping 1.5W and very noisy after the initial 3 second ouput of 37W
You can hear something like a relay within the unit kicking in right pri
or to going from 37W to 1.5W. Great, the radio is protected. Something si
mple is wrong. My 430 has 130hrs on it. 2-year warranty started on purcha
se date so that expired about 7 months after first flight.
Sent the unit to Garmin through a dealer (can't send it directly to them).
Turn around time was quick - confirmed my suspecion that it was a simple f
ix. I was impressed. The damage - $875. My eye balls almost jumped out o
f their sockets. After researching a bit I realized that I'm not the first
unhappy customer. Garmin has a flat repair rate of $800 for the 430, incl
uding shipping (thank goodness!! I wonder why my bill was $875?). They gua
rantee complete overhaul if they so deem the unit needs it. This includes
cosmetics like worn out buttons or anything they see that's not up to par.
Quote from the Service Report "Confirmed problem. Repaired the COMM board
to correct the discrepancy. Updated software." Garmin's repair records d
oes not contain any more details than this. When asked if cosmetic works we
re done to my unit, the answer.... no. I would've been surprised if there
was any on such a low time unit.
Sounds to me that Garmin has a good marketing strategy to keep all units in
service at tip top overhauled shape at the expense of the customers. By th
e way, the dealer wasn't aware of this flat rate policy.
So what's the chance of something majorly wrong with my 430 would happen to
get a good $800 deal? Considering the cost of a new unit, a quick statist
ical calculation +/- a bunch% error says that you'll never make out ahead w
ith this deal. Google what others have to say regarding Garmin's customer
support and see for yourself. I don't mind supporting a good product but t
his feels like a log going through my rear end.
Anh
N591VU-flying
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak autopilots |
What really bothers me is I have my panel from Accuracy, one of their first. I
gave out glowing recommendations for their quality and service because that was
my experience. I have not heard from Tony or Eric and this came as a complete
surprise to me after talking to them at Sun n Fun. If anyone has suffered a
loss as a result of my recommendation for Accuracy, please understand that I had
a very good experience with them, if I hadn't, those that know me would tell
you I usually don't hold any punches when it comes to service, value and other
traits we hold close.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 8:08:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilots
I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get
to pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I
planned on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
by not getting that feature.
Little miffed this am......
Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak autopilots |
PS- Fred, I know e have chatted about assembling your panel.....If I can help you
sort out that panel let me know...I have a pretty complete library of AA's
wiring diagrams, manuals etc. Sorry this has happened to you.
Rick Sked
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 8:08:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilots
I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get
to pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I
planned on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
by not getting that feature.
Little miffed this am......
Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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Congratulations. Let me know when you fly.
I flew mine up to MN. I still have OP stuff to work out with Stein but now
I am in his back yard.
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: It's Official!
Just finished up with the DAR and #40105 is now N442PM in every respect! No
squawks found during the inspection, just have to put everything back
together. First flight will wait until weather conditions locally improve a
bit.
Bob
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Guys,
Thanks for the input. I do have a 430w for the panel and will likely go
ahead and get the vertical steering. Just wanted to know how useful it
would be.
Rick, thanks for the reply, fortunately I do have the complete wiring
diagrams and 90% of the parts. I was able to talk to Eric this am and
he was just as taken back as I was. He was completely in the dark until
today. He has been gracious enough to offer to help also If I have any
problems. Tony has been just as helpful up until this last two weeks.
I knew something was up when I called to get the autopilot and adi and
Tony said he had to wait until a couple orders came in so he could
purchase it.
Fred
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| Subject: | Trutrak autopilots |
Dr Fred,
Sorry to hear about your experience, that is terribly frustrating on top
of all the financial issues.
I'd like to mimic Tim's comments about the autopilot. I have the model you
were planning on tied to the GRT EFIS and a Garmin 480. It works great and
having the pitch controls driven by the EFIS really makes life simple. Be
it holding an altitude, climbing/descending at a certain rate/airspeed, or
flying the glideslope it really helps. As Tim also mentioned, you can't
trust it implicitly though as you can exceed its ability if you get too
fast/slow relative to the current trim setting and there's the old garbage
in garbage out syndrome if you set it wrong and aren't paying attention.
Compared to the other Trutrak models my opinion is the difference in money
spent will be long forgotten by the time your first flight occurs but
benefiting by the extra capabilities will be there forever. Having said all
that, if you are not going to install an EFIS of some kind capable of
driving the autopilot then the answer may change a lot.
Good luck,
Marcus
40286
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilots
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this
am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed
out of an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get
to pay double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I
planned on a Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do
to get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500
by not getting that feature.
Little miffed this am......
Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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| Subject: | Overhead Console? |
I'd recommend searching the archives for the Chevy Blazer consoles a bunch
of folks used. I may still try it down the road, but it sure looked like a
great fit and you can't beat the price.
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
On 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accuracy avionics just went
belly up this am. (I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks)"
Dang! Is there any other source for the overhead console?
Chase Snodgrass
Presidio, TX
http://flybigbend.com
40820/40821 RV-10 Twins
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| Subject: | Van's support to international customers |
Sorry guys, time for a bit of a whinge. Vans credibility has just taken a
serious nose dive for this builder.
Weldon 10 is not readily available in Australia and Vans will not deliver i
t other than sea freight (3 month delay for $12 worth of stuff!!!). The su
pplier here insists on providing adhesive that is significantly past its sh
elf life (ie more than 2yrs). I have been trying to get some useable Weldo
n for the past 3 months without success. Vans did advise that they hoped t
o have a solution by end of April. Here is their response to my query on w
hat was happening:
"Obviously we have no control over IPS or their distributors. We can become
certified for shipping Hazmat, but this requires sending staff on an
expensive 3 day course.
We are making inquiries to see if we can ship the material through a third
party rather than becoming Hazmat certified here for this one product.
However it is done, minimum cost for shipping any quantity of the adhesive
would be about $200.
The reason we don't have an alternative is because experts in the field
advised us that this is the best adhesive to use. It therefore seems
inadvisable for us to research, or to recommend that you use, the "not quite
so good" alternatives.
Several RV-10s have been finished in Australia, so this is not an
insurmountable problem, though I am not sure how they solved the issue.
As I said before, we are able to ship the adhesive in with the kits. If you
have
all your kits we can conceivably ship this in someone else's kit, so if you
know of someone near you ordering a kit let us know. As of right now, that
is
all we can do.
Gus"
The majority of RV-10s that were completed in Australia have used Weld-on s
upplied by Vans BEFORE they discovered it was Hazmat. Their reluctance to r
ecommend an alternative windows installation method, when they cannot provi
de their specified product is very disappointing. My -10 is virtually fini
shed with a planned first flight date of July. Windscreen installation and
fairing is the only job left and I have no more kits to freight in.
So, for those international builders that may have a problem with getting W
eld-On 10 - expect ZERO support from Vans.
For me, it's back to the archives to find an alternative (but not Vans appr
oved) way of installing the windscreen.
Ron
-187 (and reeeeally pi$$ed off)
"Warning:
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| Subject: | Building Sequence - how long can I delay riveting the fiberglass |
top on?
I'm looking for some advice on building sequence. I finished sections
thru 40 and now the fuselage top has been fitted but it seems to be in
my best interest to delay riveting it until a number of tasks are done.
It would also seems to be best to delay the upper forward fuselage
installation until the avionics are well underway. I have the finishing
kit inhouse and the 540 is on its way. I'm thinking that I need to
focus on the avionics and other cockpit systems so that I can put the
tops on.
Those of you that have been thru this, what is a good way to proceed?
What kind of flexibility do I have? What pitfalls should I avoid?
So much to do and so many options.
Hey Bob C - Congratulations! Can't wait to hear about the first flight.
Bill "with fiberglass dust everywhere" Watson
Durham NC
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| Subject: | Re: Van's support to international customers |
Ron,
I'm going the Silpruf silicone method, ever consider an alternative to weld-on?
The Glasair crews have been using this method and it even looks like the Cirrus
uses similar methods. I have the VHS tape showing it's install and I think
it's a better way to go IMHO, Easier to get the adhesive as well. Takes 4 to 5
tubes at about $15 US each to complete.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 6:25:11 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Van's support to international customers
Sorry guys, time for a bit of a whinge. Vans credibility has just taken a serious
nose dive for this builder.
Weldon 10 is not readily available in Australia and Vans will not deliver it other
than sea freight (3 month delay for $12 worth of stuff!!!). The supplier
here insists on providing adhesive that is significantly past its shelf life (ie
more than 2yrs). I have been trying to get some useable Weldon for the past
3 months without success. Vans did advise that they hoped to have a solution
by end of April. Here is their response to my query on what was happening:
"Obviously we have no control over IPS or their distributors. We can become
certified for shipping Hazmat, but this requires sending staff on an
expensive 3 day course.
We are making inquiries to see if we can ship the material through a third
party rather than becoming Hazmat certified here for this one product.
However it is done, minimum cost for shipping any quantity of the adhesive
would be about $200.
The reason we don't have an alternative is because experts in the field
advised us that this is the best adhesive to use. It therefore seems
inadvisable for us to research, or to recommend that you use, the "not quite
so good" alternatives.
Several RV-10s have been finished in Australia, so this is not an
insurmountable problem, though I am not sure how they solved the issue.
As I said before, we are able to ship the adhesive in with the kits. If you have
all your kits we can conceivably ship this in someone else's kit, so if you
know of someone near you ordering a kit let us know. As of right now, that is
all we can do.
Gus"
The majority of RV-10s that were completed in Australia have used Weld-on supplied
by Vans BEFORE they discovered it was Hazmat. Their reluctance to recommend
an alternative windows installation method, when they cannot provide their specified
product is very disappointing. My -10 is virtually finished with a planned
first flight date of July. Windscreen installation and fairing is the
only job left and I have no more kits to freight in.
So, for those international builders that may have a problem with getting Weld-On
10 - expect ZERO support from Vans.
For me, it's back to the archives to find an alternative (but not Vans approved)
way of installing the windscreen.
Ron
-187 (and reeeeally pi$$ed off)
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| Subject: | Re: Building Sequence - how long can I delay riveting the |
fiberglass top on?
Bill,
I fitted my cabin top and doors way back. Since then I have, put it on the gear,
hung the engine & prop, installed all the wiring, the panel, finished the cowl/FWF/baffeling.
Basically my -10 is complete without the top on. The top/windows
and the pants/faring are all that's left to do shy of hanging the wings
and final assembly..(yeah right) I found it so much easier to climb in and out
without the cabin top on the fuselage. I'm afraid as soon as the top is on I'll
see that bright light at the end of the tunnel and really start to think I'm
done.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "MauleDriver" <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 6:43:24 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Building Sequence - how long can I delay riveting the fiberglass
top on?
I'm looking for some advice on building sequence. I finished sections
thru 40 and now the fuselage top has been fitted but it seems to be in
my best interest to delay riveting it until a number of tasks are done.
It would also seems to be best to delay the upper forward fuselage
installation until the avionics are well underway. I have the finishing
kit inhouse and the 540 is on its way. I'm thinking that I need to
focus on the avionics and other cockpit systems so that I can put the
tops on.
Those of you that have been thru this, what is a good way to proceed?
What kind of flexibility do I have? What pitfalls should I avoid?
So much to do and so many options.
Hey Bob C - Congratulations! Can't wait to hear about the first flight.
Bill "with fiberglass dust everywhere" Watson
Durham NC
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| Subject: | Van's support to international customers |
Ron,
We second the Silpruf method Rick suggests. All our windows were installed with
Silpruf and we are extremely pleased with the results (Windscreen within the
next two weeks). My builder friend is an old Glasair builder as well as several
choppers (lots of windows) so that may be the connection. I understand it was
simpler & cleaner than the weld-on. May be an alternative to W-O for you?
Robin
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's support to international customers
Ron,
I'm going the Silpruf silicone method, ever consider an alternative to weld-on?
The Glasair crews have been using this method and it even looks like the Cirrus
uses similar methods. I have the VHS tape showing it's install and I think
it's a better way to go IMHO, Easier to get the adhesive as well. Takes 4 to 5
tubes at about $15 US each to complete.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Friday, May 2, 2008 6:25:11 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Van's support to international customers
Sorry guys, time for a bit of a whinge. Vans credibility has just taken a serious
nose dive for this builder.
Weldon 10 is not readily available in Australia and Vans will not deliver it other
than sea freight (3 month delay for $12 worth of stuff!!!). The supplier
here insists on providing adhesive that is significantly past its shelf life (ie
more than 2yrs). I have been trying to get some useable Weldon for the past
3 months without success. Vans did advise that they hoped to have a solution
by end of April. Here is their response to my query on what was happening:
"Obviously we have no control over IPS or their distributors. We can become
certified for shipping Hazmat, but this requires sending staff on an
expensive 3 day course.
We are making inquiries to see if we can ship the material through a third
party rather than becoming Hazmat certified here for this one product.
However it is done, minimum cost for shipping any quantity of the adhesive
would be about $200.
The reason we don't have an alternative is because experts in the field
advised us that this is the best adhesive to use. It therefore seems
inadvisable for us to research, or to recommend that you use, the "not quite
so good" alternatives.
Several RV-10s have been finished in Australia, so this is not an
insurmountable problem, though I am not sure how they solved the issue.
As I said before, we are able to ship the adhesive in with the kits. If you have
all your kits we can conceivably ship this in someone else's kit, so if you
know of someone near you ordering a kit let us know. As of right now, that is
all we can do.
Gus"
The majority of RV-10s that were completed in Australia have used Weld-on supplied
by Vans BEFORE they discovered it was Hazmat. Their reluctance to recommend
an alternative windows installation method, when they cannot provide their specified
product is very disappointing. My -10 is virtually finished with a planned
first flight date of July. Windscreen installation and fairing is the
only job left and I have no more kits to freight in.
So, for those international builders that may have a problem with getting Weld-On
10 - expect ZERO support from Vans.
For me, it's back to the archives to find an alternative (but not Vans approved)
way of installing the windscreen.
Ron
-187 (and reeeeally pi$$ed off)
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
I went a route that may have been more time consuming but should take up as
much room.=0AEpoxied some 1/4" tubing into place and made a smooth transit
ion from the rear half to the front half of the canopy using West System an
d colloidal silica.- Will run wires through this.- Made a "dummy" trans
ition on other side of canopy with fairing filler so that both sides of can
opy will have a smooth "ramp" under the headliner.- Scuffed and built up
the center area, made a fillet around the perimeter, and epoxied nuts into
place for attachment screws.- =0AThen dremeled out contours for the botto
m of the reflectors as well as wire runs.- =0AThe units themselves are st
andard Ford Ranger courtesy lamps.- One reading light on each side, dome
light in the middle.=0ARob Wright=0A#392=0AMoving to canopy final install a
nd door latching=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Marcus Cooper
<coop85@cableone.net>=0ATo: rv10-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, May 2,
2008 8:57:40 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV10-List: Overhead Console?=0A=0A--> RV10-L
ist message posted by: "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@cableone.net>=0A=0AI'd recom
mend searching the archives for the Chevy Blazer consoles a bunch=0Aof folk
s used.- I may still try it down the road, but it sure looked like a=0Agr
eat fit and you can't beat the price.=0A=0AMarcus=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0A
-----Original Message-----=0A=0AOn 5/2/08, Fred Williams, M.D. wrote: "Accu
racy avionics just went=0Abelly up this am.- (I wouldn't advise sending t
hem any more checks)"=0A=0ADang!- Is there any other source for the overh
ead console?=0A=0AChase Snodgrass=0APresidio, TX=0Ahttp://flybigbend.com=0A
=======================0A=0A=0A
_____________________________________________________________________
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hoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDy
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| Subject: | Re: Trutrak autopilots |
Even on my limited budget I've been reminded on occasion that-400-500 is
a fairly small amount if that's the only differential factor.- I understa
nd if you're trying to trim a bunch of new increased prices, but if you lik
e the original feature then it's pretty much-a wash.=0ARob=0A#392=0AMakin
g a-negative fortune in aviation!=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AF
rom: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>=0ATo: RV 10 <rv10-li
st@matronics.com>=0ASent: Friday, May 2, 2008 11:08:29 AM=0ASubject: RV10-L
s, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>=0A=0AI need a little advice from those
who are IFR rated and flying.- =0AUnfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy
avionics just went belly up this =0Aam.- (I wouldn't advise sending them
any more checks)- I've been stiffed =0Aout of an autopilot that I still
haven't received yet.- Now that I get =0Ato pay double for it, I'm recons
idering how may features I need.- I =0Aplanned on a Trutrak digiflight II
VSGV.=0A=0AI would like to know how- often one needs the- vertical- G
PS steering- =0Afeature.- Does it help eliminate setting your power and
trim for a =0Aclimb/descent?- I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't o
ne set up =0Abasically a table with power settings to see what your airplan
e will do =0Ato get say a 500 ft/min descent?- Looks like I could save ab
out $400-500 =0Aby not getting that feature. =0A=0ALittle miffed this am...
...=0ATrying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......=0A=0AThan
ks in advance for the replies. =0A=0A=0ADr Fred=0A40515=0ANow in panel asse
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List
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| Subject: | Trutrak autopilots |
Fred, that is one of the best things about the AP. Plus when you are in the
soup or just buzzing on an IFR plan, the altitude preselect and capture is a
huge benefit. Not that it's hard to do without but I love being able to
just pick the altitude and grab xxx feet per minute and let it do the work.
It's real easy when you are going into someplace busy to get sidetracked and
miss a approach or descent altitude. If you are single pilot IFR for real,
you will really want the VSGV and not so much for the approach itself as for
the overall convenience that it gives you. Now if you also have the 430W or
an EFIS that will give you a Glideslope, you will really appreciate a fully
coupled approach.
It's not great to use the word "ALL" but virtually ALL charter pilots fly
the full IFR procedure including climb and descent on the AP because it
gives them an extra pair of hands and "eyes". Let the AP fly the plane and
you watch the AP and watch for other airplanes if you can see at all. That
also gives you lots of time to stay ahead of the airplane which is a problem
in the soup. I very seldom ever fly a coupled approach when practicing but
always fly one if it is really IMC because that is the safer (less
challenging) way to do it,....the manual practice is just in case the AP
goes TU!
It's not necessary but it's well worth the money in my mind. BTW, I did the
VSVG upgrade with TT earlier this year about a year after I bought the VSII
model. Sent it to them with a check and they had it back in three (3) days.
Great folks to deal with.
Bill S
7a finishing
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trutrak autopilots
--> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
I need a little advice from those who are IFR rated and flying.
Unfortunately, my panel shop, Accuracy avionics just went belly up this am.
(I wouldn't advise sending them any more checks) I've been stiffed out of
an autopilot that I still haven't received yet. Now that I get to pay
double for it, I'm reconsidering how may features I need. I planned on a
Trutrak digiflight IIVSGV.
I would like to know how often one needs the vertical GPS steering
feature. Does it help eliminate setting your power and trim for a
climb/descent? I have minimal IFR training, but doesn't one set up
basically a table with power settings to see what your airplane will do to
get say a 500 ft/min descent? Looks like I could save about $400-500 by not
getting that feature.
Little miffed this am......
Trying to regain composure and just fly the airplane.......
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Dr Fred
40515
Now in panel assembly hell.
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| Subject: | Re: Overhead Console? |
I hope the official photographer is on standby to assist those of us
that are schedule and distance challenged.
Whatever happened to the RV-10 calendar effort? Is a 2008 version available?
John Cox wrote:
> The light is ON for the Pacific
> NW RV-10 builder shindig next Saturday. Yeh All should contact John
> Jessen if you can fly your Rv-10 into Dietz Airpark for the get
> together.
>
> John
>
>
>
Checked by AVG.
02 AM
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| Subject: | Garmin Rapair - Customer Beware |
Anh,
With my 430, i lost transmit on com1. i went 4 months using the second
radio, because i couldn't justify an 800 repair bill. As it happened the
deadline for the waas upgrade was looming close. I decided at the last
minute to get in on the "deal". To my surprise, Garmin ended up replacing
the main board, the faceplate, and the upgrade waas package for the 1500
dollar upgrade fee. i was so expecting an additional fee, i was half
expecting an additional bill to follow. It turns out that Garmin actually
repaired my unit, effectively overhauling it for no additional charge.
Granted, i spent 1500 bucks, i actually feel like i got my moneys worth.
(this time)
steve
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DejaVu
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 6:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Garmin Rapair - Customer Beware
Short story: if Garmin replaces a light bulb in your unit, it's $800. I was
totally unaware but you can find the verbage in their warranty online. I
was expecting someone to call first.
Long story: Lost the transmitter on my comm radio on the 430 on the way back
from SNF, reception was fine. Trouble shooting showed transmitter output
was a whopping 1.5W and very noisy after the initial 3 second ouput of 37W.
You can hear something like a relay within the unit kicking in right prior
to going from 37W to 1.5W. Great, the radio is protected. Something simple
is wrong. My 430 has 130hrs on it. 2-year warranty started on purchase
date so that expired about 7 months after first flight.
Sent the unit to Garmin through a dealer (can't send it directly to them).
Turn around time was quick - confirmed my suspecion that it was a simple
fix. I was impressed. The damage - $875. My eye balls almost jumped out
of their sockets. After researching a bit I realized that I'm not the first
unhappy customer. Garmin has a flat repair rate of $800 for the 430,
including shipping (thank goodness!! I wonder why my bill was $875?). They
guarantee complete overhaul if they so deem the unit needs it. This
includes cosmetics like worn out buttons or anything they see that's not up
to par. Quote from the Service Report "Confirmed problem. Repaired the
COMM board to correct the discrepancy. Updated software." Garmin's repair
records does not contain any more details than this. When asked if cosmetic
works were done to my unit, the answer.... no. I would've been surprised
if there was any on such a low time unit.
Sounds to me that Garmin has a good marketing strategy to keep all units in
service at tip top overhauled shape at the expense of the customers. By the
way, the dealer wasn't aware of this flat rate policy.
So what's the chance of something majorly wrong with my 430 would happen to
get a good $800 deal? Considering the cost of a new unit, a quick
statistical calculation +/- a bunch% error says that you'll never make out
ahead with this deal. Google what others have to say regarding Garmin's
customer support and see for yourself. I don't mind supporting a good
product but this feels like a log going through my rear end.
Anh
N591VU-flying
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