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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Re: Window Adhesive (again) (McGANN, Ron)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: Oil Screen Plug Crush Washer P/N? (Rob Kermanj)
3. 05:14 AM - Re: Brake lines (linn Walters)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines (linn Walters)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines (Tim Olson)
6. 05:44 AM - Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines (Tim Olson)
7. 05:54 AM - Ram Air Turbine (johngoodman)
8. 06:11 AM - Re: Ram Air Turbine (linn Walters)
9. 07:34 AM - Re: Ram Air Turbine (johngoodman)
10. 07:56 AM - Re: Ram Air Turbine (tsts4)
11. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Ram Air Turbine (John Cox)
12. 10:08 AM - Builders Insurance (Les Kearney)
13. 10:21 AM - Panel Access (Les Kearney)
14. 10:34 AM - Re: Builders Insurance (Dj Merrill)
15. 10:34 AM - Re: Builders Insurance (David McNeill)
16. 11:09 AM - Re: Builders Insurance (Les Kearney)
17. 11:11 AM - Re: Window Adhesive (again) (Les Kearney)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Window Adhesive (again) (jim berry)
19. 11:53 AM - Re: Window Adhesive (again) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
20. 12:13 PM - Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (Mr Luther Strickland)
21. 12:13 PM - Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (Mr Luther Strickland)
22. 12:13 PM - Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (Mr Luther Strickland)
23. 12:16 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Dj Merrill)
24. 12:35 PM - Re: Panel Access (William Curtis)
25. 01:12 PM - Re: Panel Access (Les Kearney)
26. 01:17 PM - Re: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (John Cox)
27. 01:39 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (David McNeill)
28. 01:49 PM - FW: Panel Access (David McNeill)
29. 01:49 PM - Emailing: Picture 003 (David McNeill)
30. 02:07 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Dave McCoy)
31. 02:51 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (Robin Marks)
32. 03:08 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (John Cumins)
33. 03:51 PM - Re: Overhead console head room (Dave Saylor)
34. 03:53 PM - Missing index holes in doors (MauleDriver)
35. 03:56 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (Deems Davis)
36. 04:21 PM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (David McNeill)
37. 04:39 PM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (Indran Chelvanayagam)
38. 04:54 PM - Re: Re: Ram Air Turbine (Carl Froehlich)
39. 05:05 PM - N442PM First Flight (bcondrey)
40. 05:17 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (Robin Marks)
41. 05:22 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Bill Schlatterer)
42. 05:31 PM - FW: Re: Ram Air Turbine (David McNeill)
43. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: Ram Air Turbine (Robin Marks)
44. 05:37 PM - Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (tsts4)
45. 05:40 PM - Re: Ram Air Turbine (johngoodman)
46. 05:45 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Marcus Cooper)
47. 05:46 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (John Cumins)
48. 05:47 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (John Cumins)
49. 05:48 PM - Emailing: P5280059, P5280060, P8120019, P8120020, P8120021 (David McNeill)
50. 05:53 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (Les Kearney)
51. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (Jesse Saint)
52. 06:09 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (gary)
53. 06:32 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (ddddsp1@juno.com)
54. 06:42 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Deems Davis)
55. 07:26 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (Deems Davis)
56. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Ram Air Turbine (Carl Froehlich)
57. 07:55 PM - Re: Ram Air Turbine (johngoodman)
58. 09:01 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Window Adhesive (again) |
Thanks Jim, forgot about Hysol. Contacted the Loctite distributor here
in Oz who manages Hysol products. Believe it or not, EA 9360 is not
available here and will need to be shipped over (Hazmat). There is a
product available locally (E-20 HP) that has a bond strength of 4000psi
between Aluminium and epoxy substrates, but only 290psi to Acrylics - it
is also a typical Loctite product with expected bond line of 2-9mils
thickness. No good for the gap between plexi and windshield. Just
can't win! . . . .
Cheers,
Ron
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim berry
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Window Adhesive (again)
Ron,
Let me put in another plug for Hysol EA 9360. I found it very easy to
work with while doing my windows. Afterwards I did some simple trials
with plexi-fiberglass, plexi-alum., alum.-fiberglass, alum-alum. After 1
week cure all samples were virtually impossible to separate without
destroying the bonded material. Working time is approx. 1 hour @ 25C.
Lancair uses this stuff for their pressurized windows(which are
installed from the inside) and for bonding major wing and fuselage
components. Tensile lap shear strength is 5000psi.
It can by air shipped, but that probably will not be necessary as there
are 2 dealers in the land of Oz. Located in Kilsyth and Welland. I think
I paid about $90US for a quart, which will be enough to do all your
windows and anything else you want to never come apart.
Go to www.aerospace.henkel.com for specs. and msds sheets.
Jim Berry
40482
Well adhered
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| Subject: | Re: Oil Screen Plug Crush Washer P/N? |
the oil pick-up screen washer located in the oil pan is 06e19769-1.00
and the oil screen/filter located on the accessory case is 76510. let
me know if these are not what you are looking for and give me an exact
location to find you the right part numbers.
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On May 4, 2008, at 10:15 PM, rv10builder wrote:
> >
>
> Can someone confirm the p/n for the oil screen cap crush washer? I
> think it may be a MS35769-48 but cannot reference it anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Sutherland
> Nashville, TN
> RV-10 N104BS
> 25.3 into phase 1
>
>
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Rick Sked wrote:
> It's to allow you enough excess line to remove the caliper without
> having to disconnect the brake line.
>
And it will prevent fracture of the aluminum tubing at the B nut way
down the line. The big loop is there to take the stress off when the
caliper moves ..... but I think the culprit just may be high frequency
vibrations (chatter?) from using the brakes. Having said that, there
are a whole lot of certificated airplanes out there with the tubing bent
90 degrees and attached to the caliper ..... and the percentage of
catastrophic failures is fairly low. For me, however, it's just not
worth the risk of having oneself become part of the statistical group.
YMMV, of course!!!
Linn
> Rick Sked
>
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b@cableone.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 6:53:03 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake lines
>
> David, did you make a big 270 loop with your Teflon lines like Tim
> did recently, or did you just make a big 90 loop?
> What is the need for the big loop with flexible lines? - I don't say
> it's not necessary, I just don't understand.
> John
> 40458
>
> On May 4, 2008, at 6:04 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
> Concur on the stainless braided Teflon lines. Initially replaced
> the manufacturers suggested nylon lines on the Glastar. When
> confronted with the Vans plans for the soft aluminum hard lines,
> immediately switched to the Teflon lines. No need to let 5606
> anywhere near a hot brake. The resulting fire may cost an
> airplane. I secured mine with three Adel clamps. No problem flying
> with the leg fairings off.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines |
David McNeill wrote:
>
>One other point. You can secure each Teflon line with 3 sets of two Adel
>clamps. Clamp the leg with one and clamp the line with the other, then use a
>single bolt to connect the two. This will prevent any vibration/abrasion of
>the steel line and steel powder coat on the leg.
>
>
When I did the mods on my brake lines in the cabin ..... passenger side
to pilot side .... I used the fuseable silicone tape instead of adel
clamps ..... lighter and more compact ...... just google 'rescue tape'.
I bought their 6 roll special package ..... and that's a lifetime supply
.... because it stretches a whole lot when it's applied.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines |
I don't know if it's still completely necessary. If you can route the
line down under the fairing with no interference and bend it back, you
could be fine. But, this weekend I took my calipers off and that was
made easy by the loop, since I had plenty of flex to pull them out and
work with them. I guess I just did my routing the original plans
way and didn't worry too much about it. Other than a couple of ounces
of weight I don't really see a big downside either...it allowed me to
make the lines nice and secure to the fairing back plate.
I didn't use clamps down the gear legs but did those more like the
plans method too, because I didn't want to have the leg fairings
have to expand to fit over the clamps. With the friction tape
under them and then tape securing them, and the anti-chafe clear
plastic coating over the stainless braid, I don't think I'll ever
see any wear anywhere. For the first 330 hours with the other
setup I had zero issues, and this install is even nicer.
From Bonaco there wasn't a part number, as they were custom....but
included this line in my write-up:
"The important thing when odering is to tell them EXACTLY what you
want.... 46" -3 size hose with -4 size straight fittings, WITH the
chafe guard protective rubber coating."
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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rv10builder wrote:
>
> Hey Tim,
>
> Great write-up. As usual your tips and tricks are priceless to this
> group. A question about those brake lines. Since the braided lines are
> flexible is the loop around to the caliper still necessary? Can you
> share the p/n from Bonaco?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brian Sutherland
> Nashville, TN
> RV-10 N104BS
> 25.3 into phase 1
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recent Maintenance - Tires and Brake Lines |
Well, the Monster retreads aren't available in the RV-10
size, so that's why I had to go with their
"High Performance Retreads". I don't know that I'd want
to stuff Monster Retreads under our fairings anyway.
But, from a tire rubber perspective, they sound like they'll
wear well. Next time though, it's genuine Goodyear's for
me. The most recent Aviation Consumer review kind of
points to the value of spending more on the tires and having
them last longer.
BTW: With the wear pattern I had, I had one tire start showing
cords, and you could put fingers on the inside and outside
and feel the tire was very thin....so for all you folks
running the tires like that, pay close attention. When you
see cords, you're really past replacement time by a bit...
there's not much tire there.
Regarding the balancer.... Well, my local shop likes to
charge $35, which is a total ripoff, but in the end,
it's a tool, and most tools tend to be long-term investments
and just plain nice to have. Things like jackstands,
balancers, and stuff like that can make it much more
convenient to just pop off a tire and check it's balance
on a whim. I think tool ownership can help motivate
perhaps more meticulous maintenance levels, because you're
not hindered for time and convenience or cost. Not only
that, but this same balancer could be used to balance my
lawn mower blades and stuff too. :)
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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William Curtis wrote:
> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Tim,
>
> I second the opinion on those Monster retreads. I had the same
> uneven wear on the Cardinal and also went with the retreads from the
> Aviation Consumer recommendation. They have held up very well and do
> NOT show the uneven wear on the outer edge that the the normal tires
> exhibited. I did have to replace one as it seems my left brake was
> stuck on landing and a flat spot was worn into it. I'm convinced
> that if this was a normal and not a Monster retread, the tire would
> have failed.
>
> As for the balancing, I usually take it to the local motorcycle shop
> for $10 per tire. How may time would I have to use that balancer
> before it pays for itself?
>
> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
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I've decided to install a pop-out ram air turbine alternator as my backup power
supply. I'm looking for a good place to put it and the most likely place seems
to be the starboard skin of the baggage compartment. The entire package can
fit into a 7" by 7" by 8" cube to give you the approximate size. The pop-out door
is smaller.
To get you up to speed, here is the web site:
http://www.basicaircraft.com/
Bring it on, flames and all...
John
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
johngoodman wrote:
>
>I've decided to install a pop-out ram air turbine alternator as my backup power
supply. I'm looking for a good place to put it and the most likely place seems
to be the starboard skin of the baggage compartment. The entire package can
fit into a 7" by 7" by 8" cube to give you the approximate size. The pop-out
door is smaller.
>To get you up to speed, here is the web site:
>http://www.basicaircraft.com/
>
>Bring it on, flames and all...
>
>John
>
The complexity and installation plus the 6 amps (at 85 MPH) doesn't turn
me on. I haven't checked the price of the PlanePower vacuum pad
alternator, but I'd lean toward that for a second alternator.
Alternators are pretty bulletproof now, so my question is what caused
the search for an alternative??? The biggest failure modes I hear about
(I haven't suffered any) are loose (or missing!) case bolts and 'field'
wires fracturing inside the insulation next to the alt lug ..... and
these are in OLD airplanes!!! No flames .... just curious. Not knowing
the thought process leaves a big hole in the available data.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
Excellent question. I'm in the early stages of designing the electrical and panel.
I've been reading Bob Nuckoll's book and other articles regarding dual alternators,
dual batteries, etc., and I've found myself leaning towards the single
battery/dual alternator path.
I have a lot of experience with drop-out ram air turbines in airplanes - not that
I ever needed to use it except in simulators. I'm comfortable with the concept.
The B&C or PlanePower vacuum pad alternators are logical choices in my book. They
are a little cheaper, as well. But I like the concept of a totally independent
alternator outside the engine compartment. I also like the "pull the handle"
logic. We all know that a pilot's IQ goes to about 40 when things suddenly
stop, and that pulling tends to satisfy the inner beast.
I think it qualifies as a KISS. No cowling to pull, one less thing to do in the
engine compartment, etc.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
The PlanePower vacuum pad unit is for Continentals, not Lycomings. When I asked
them if they were planning to come out with an SD-20 alternative, they said
they weren't planning to. I for one hope they change their minds. Until then
I'll stick to the SD-20.
I admire your interpretation of KISS -- for me throwing a SD-20 on the pad is way
simpler than trying to design and install a ram turbine setup. Not a flame
as I like to see folks come up with different solutions to problems and am very
interested in seeing what you finally come up with--good luck!
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
The RATs on our air carrier fleet are one of the most maintenance
intensive accessories. They often do not work and require tremendous
ongoing maintenance to keep them doing what the college kids in Ontario
computer screens designed in their heads.
Look to someone who has a functioning RAT or be prepared to report to us
"How is that working for you?" as Dr. Phil would phrase it. All this
from a guy who will throw more features at an RV-10 than any one builder
would reasonably try.
For my acronym impaired buddies, that stands for Rotary (cause they have
to turn not just get air rammed through them) Air Turbines and it is
amazing how much air must pass through the blades to effect life
sustaining electron flow.
When the power goes out or the engine stops or the blade won't pull, The
aircraft belongs to the insurance company. Land immediately and walk
away to answer Dr. Phil. Do not follow in the footsteps of Mr.
Knoeplein (OSH '05) and try a backup system to correct an in-flight
failure.
John Cox
N49CX
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tsts4
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
The PlanePower vacuum pad unit is for Continentals, not Lycomings. When
I asked them if they were planning to come out with an SD-20
alternative, they said they weren't planning to. I for one hope they
change their minds. Until then I'll stick to the SD-20.
I admire your interpretation of KISS -- for me throwing a SD-20 on the
pad is way simpler than trying to design and install a ram turbine
setup. Not a flame as I like to see folks come up with different
solutions to problems and am very interested in seeing what you finally
come up with--good luck!
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
Hi
I am looking getting builders insurance for my -10. I am starting to
accumulate parts of significant value and they are not covered under my
homeowner's policy (I am still in my garage).
I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and what
the rate is per $1k of coverage.
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643
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Hi Again
Yesterday I spent some time considering what will go where behind my panel.
As I plan to install dual AFS 4500 EFIS screens, I am *hoping* that the
cut-outs will provide adequate access through the panel rather than having
to work below the panel.
There is a lot of useful space behind the sub panel but getting at it will
be a monumental pain once the a/c is completed. It seems like the only
access will be from below with a couple of rudder pedal tubs in the way to
complicate matters.
I was wondering what other ingenious ways others have making use of this
space without having to expand their 4 letter work vocabulary.
Inquiring minds need to know ...
Les Kearney
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and
> what the rate is per $1k of coverage.
>
>
>
Generally 1% of the total value. I have $40k coverage on my project
at a cost of $400 per year.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
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"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
cost is 1% per year.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Hi
I am looking getting builders insurance for my -10. I am starting to
accumulate parts of significant value and they are not covered under my
homeowner's policy (I am still in my garage).
I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and what
the rate is per $1k of coverage.
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
Dj / Dave
Who is the issuer for your insurance? I am looking at about 2% which is a
big difference.
Cheers
Les
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: May-05-08 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and
> what the rate is per $1k of coverage.
>
>
>
Generally 1% of the total value. I have $40k coverage on my project
at a cost of $400 per year.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/
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airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Window Adhesive (again) |
Ron
I would be inclined to see what other similar aircraft are using. A few
weeks ago I saw a "2 weeks to taxi" Glasair in a paint shop that used
SIlpruf to attach the windows. In fact I have bought the AirLink Tech
Silpruf video to see what is involved. This *suggests* that the Silpruf
method is an acceptable way to install a/c windows.
Accepting you data as accurate, there is a big difference between Weldon10
and Silpruf. The key question to be answered is therefore is "what is an
acceptable bond strength?" Intuitively, it would seem that 2700PSI is way
over the top as far as requirements go. This implies the window would have
to withstand a huge amount of force. I bet a nickel that the window or the
other underlying material would be gone long before the actual bond broke.
Please share whatever else your research reveals - I am very interested as
are others I am sure.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: May-04-08 6:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Window Adhesive (again)
Hi all,
Did some research over the weekend on replacements for Weld-on. Here are
some numbers I found on bond strength to acrylic:
WeldOn 10: 2700psi
SilPruf: 246 psi
Scotch Weld 2216 B/A: 1100 psi (shear) 500 psi tension (I think)
FE6026: dunno
Epoxy/flox: dunno
Sikaflex: dunno, but requires a minimum 3/16" bed
SilPruf is not recommended for structural applications and seems to be more
a sealant. And it appears to have only 10% the bond strength of Weldon.
Maybe I have dodgy data and am happy to be corrected by the fans. Given the
bond strength of the Weld On, it seems to me that the windows become an
integral part of the cabin and are therefore structural. I'm not sure I
would feel comfortable behind Silpruf, especially for the windshield (but of
course that is just my view based on the data I have so far).
I just can't find any tech data on the FE6026 that Jesse recommends and have
no clue what the bond strength of epoxy/flox would be. I'm really keen to
get some hard quantitative data before I make a decision. Can anyone fill
in the gaps (whoops bad unintended pun)??
Cheers,
Ron
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Ron,
According to the Henkel web site there are no restrictions to international air
shipping fro Hysol. You might double check with them to see if it is really hazmat.
Jim Berry
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This reminds me, I have one of the AirLink window installation videos for s
ale if anyone is interested. It's a VHS tape that is spotty on the quality
of the video (you Sam James video watchers know what I mean) but very info
rmative none the less. From Airlink I believe its $30 plus shipping. I'll
sell it for $20 +shipping. Contact me off list if interested.
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Window Adhesive (again)
Ron
I would be inclined to see what other similar aircraft are using. A few wee
ks ago I saw a "2 weeks to taxi" Glasair in a paint shop that used SIlpruf
to attach the windows. In fact I have bought the AirLink Tech Silpruf video
to see what is involved. This *suggests* that the Silpruf method is an acc
eptable way to install a/c windows.
Accepting you data as accurate, there is a big difference between Weldon10
and Silpruf. The key question to be answered is therefore is "what is an ac
ceptable bond strength?" Intuitively, it would seem that 2700PSI is way ove
r the top as far as requirements go. This implies the window would have to
withstand a huge amount of force. I bet a nickel that the window or the oth
er underlying material would be gone long before the actual bond broke.
Please share whatever else your research reveals - I am very interested as
are others I am sure.
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: May-04-08 6:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Window Adhesive (again)
Hi all,
Did some research over the weekend on replacements for Weld-on. Here are s
ome numbers I found on bond strength to acrylic:
WeldOn 10: 2700psi
SilPruf: 246 psi
Scotch Weld 2216 B/A: 1100 psi (shear) 500 psi tension (I think)
FE6026: dunno
Epoxy/flox: dunno
Sikaflex: dunno, but requires a minimum 3/16" bed
SilPruf is not recommended for structural applications and seems to be more
a sealant. And it appears to have only 10% the bond strength of Weldon.
Maybe I have dodgy data and am happy to be corrected by the fans. Given th
e bond strength of the Weld On, it seems to me that the windows become an i
ntegral part of the cabin and are therefore structural. I'm not sure I wou
ld feel comfortable behind Silpruf, especially for the windshield (but of c
ourse that is just my view based on the data I have so far).
I just can't find any tech data on the FE6026 that Jesse recommends and hav
e no clue what the bond strength of epoxy/flox would be. I'm really keen t
o get some hard quantitative data before I make a decision. Can anyone fil
l in the gaps (whoops bad unintended pun)??
Cheers,
Ron
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All..
I recieved a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager
for Accuracy Avionics (AA). He called to make sure that I knew the status
of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any
bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.
It's nice to kow that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that
actually designed and worked on my panel.
He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me. I informed him that
the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board,
and that I have had no contact with Tony.
If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.
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All..
I received a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager
for Accuracy Avionics (AA). He called to make sure that I knew the status
of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any
bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.
It's nice to Know that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that
actually designed and worked on my panel.
He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me. I informed him that
the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board,
and that I have had no contact with Tony.
If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.
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All..
I received a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former Production Manager
for Accuracy Avionics (AA). He called to make sure that I knew the status
of AA and provided me his contact information for assistance in working any
bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.
It's nice to Know that I still have the ability to ask questions to the guy that
actually designed and worked on my panel.
He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me. I informed him that
the only way I knew about the status of the company was through the RV-10 board,
and that I have had no contact with Tony.
If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> Dj / Dave
>
> Who is the issuer for your insurance? I am looking at about 2% which is a
> big difference.
>
**Melissa Perkins**
**Account Executive**
NationAir
85 Perimeter Road
Nashua, NH 03063
(800) 356-7075
(603) 883-1299 Fax
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ
http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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This is what I did.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/index31.html
Lots of aluminum angle allows full access. So much so that I still have not purchased
any avionics. I'm leaning towards the AFS but I can pretty much accomodate
anything now. I'm still trying to decide it the 4500 is worth an additional
$1500 for an additional knob and faster CPU. Making it front mounting has
increased the benzel and mounting hole size while the screen size is the same
ast the 3500.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> Hi Again
>
>
>
> Yesterday I spent some time considering what will go where behind my panel.
> As I plan to install dual AFS 4500 EFIS screens, I am *hoping* that the
> cut-outs will provide adequate access through the panel rather than having
> to work below the panel.
>
>
>
> There is a lot of useful space behind the sub panel but getting at it will
> be a monumental pain once the a/c is completed. It seems like the only
> access will be from below with a couple of rudder pedal tubs in the way to
> complicate matters.
>
>
>
> I was wondering what other ingenious ways others have making use of this
> space without having to expand their 4 letter work vocabulary.
>
>
>
> Inquiring minds need to know ...
>
>
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643
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Hi William
Thanks for then photos - there are certainly some interesting ideas there. I
have shamelessly used the wing crib design on your website (I built it
yesterday). I just may "borrow" your panel access design as well.
As a first time builder, I just love the resources on this list.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: May-05-08 1:47 PM
Subject: re: RV10-List: Panel Access
This is what I did.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/index31.html
Lots of aluminum angle allows full access. So much so that I still have not
purchased any avionics. I'm leaning towards the AFS but I can pretty much
accomodate anything now. I'm still trying to decide it the 4500 is worth an
additional $1500 for an additional knob and faster CPU. Making it front
mounting has increased the benzel and mounting hole size while the screen
size is the same ast the 3500.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> Hi Again
>
>
>
> Yesterday I spent some time considering what will go where behind my
panel.
> As I plan to install dual AFS 4500 EFIS screens, I am *hoping* that the
> cut-outs will provide adequate access through the panel rather than having
> to work below the panel.
>
>
>
> There is a lot of useful space behind the sub panel but getting at it will
> be a monumental pain once the a/c is completed. It seems like the only
> access will be from below with a couple of rudder pedal tubs in the way to
> complicate matters.
>
>
>
> I was wondering what other ingenious ways others have making use of this
> space without having to expand their 4 letter work vocabulary.
>
>
>
> Inquiring minds need to know ...
>
>
>
> Les Kearney
>
> #40643
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| Subject: | Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager |
Guido and Vinny returned from their trip to Bend, OR after receiving no
answer by phone at AA on Friday, Here was their one picture of Tony.
Hope that helps you guys who spent monies, Doc;-)
John
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mr Luther
Strickland
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager
<lljjss22@yahoo.com>
All..
I recieved a call on Sunday morning from Eric McDonald, the former
Production Manager for Accuracy Avionics (AA). He called to make sure
that I knew the status of AA and provided me his contact information for
assistance in working any bugs out of the panel that AA built for me.
It's nice to kow that I still have the ability to ask questions to the
guy that actually designed and worked on my panel.
He asked if Tony Sustare, the owner of AA, had contacted me. I informed
him that the only way I knew about the status of the company was through
the RV-10 board, and that I have had no contact with Tony.
If anyone needs Eric's contact information please send me a note.
....L. Jearl Strickland
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
Call Falcon Insurance, the EAA (830-257-1000) insurer. During my last year I
insured 150k for 1500; will get a 750 refund since I switched to flying
insurance half way through the year.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Dj / Dave
Who is the issuer for your insurance? I am looking at about 2% which is a
big difference.
Cheers
Les
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: May-05-08 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and
> what the rate is per $1k of coverage.
>
>
>
Generally 1% of the total value. I have $40k coverage on my project at
a cost of $400 per year.
-Dj
--
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Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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big picture separately
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From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access
consider some big acess panels in the glareshield.I have two, I believe they
are 7' by 5" great way connect/disconnect the dsubs,etc.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:18 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Panel Access
Hi Again
Yesterday I spent some time considering what will go where behind my panel.
As I plan to install dual AFS 4500 EFIS screens, I am *hoping* that the
cut-outs will provide adequate access through the panel rather than having
to work below the panel.
There is a lot of useful space behind the sub panel but getting at it will
be a monumental pain once the a/c is completed. It seems like the only
access will be from below with a couple of rudder pedal tubs in the way to
complicate matters.
I was wondering what other ingenious ways others have making use of this
space without having to expand their 4 letter work vocabulary.
Inquiring minds need to know ...
Les Kearney
#40643
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| Subject: | Emailing: Picture 003 |
Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link
attachments:
Picture 003
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
Call Jenny Estes - NationAir - 877-475-5860
Regards,
Dave
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:37 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Call Falcon Insurance, the EAA (830-257-1000) insurer. During my last year I
insured 150k for 1500; will get a 750 refund since I switched to flying
insurance half way through the year.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 11:06 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Dj / Dave
Who is the issuer for your insurance? I am looking at about 2% which is a
big difference.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dj Merrill
Sent: May-05-08 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Les Kearney wrote:
>
> I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and
> what the rate is per $1k of coverage.
>
>
>
Generally 1% of the total value. I have $40k coverage on my project at
a cost of $400 per year.
-Dj
--
Dj Merrill - N1JOV
Glastar Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/
"Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an
airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005
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| Subject: | Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
Or you can place the world's largest defrost fans in those holes.
Speaking of defrost fans we just installed two high volume computer fans
in the dash. They are Vantec Tornado 80mm case fans that put out A LOT
of CFM. I believe they pass 84 CFM vs. the typical computer case fans
which are in the low to mid 30 CFM. Price under $11.00 each. These units
are industrial grade cooling for computer gamers. They are run 55 dBA at
full speed but I have a feeling the big fan on the front of the -10 is a
little louder.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612
Robin
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| Subject: | Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
Can you send pics how you install this I am very interested.
Thanks
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
Or you can place the world's largest defrost fans in those holes.
Speaking of defrost fans we just installed two high volume computer fans in
the dash. They are Vantec Tornado 80mm case fans that put out A LOT of CFM.
I believe they pass 84 CFM vs. the typical computer case fans which are in
the low to mid 30 CFM. Price under $11.00 each. These units are industrial
grade cooling for computer gamers. They are run 55 dBA at full speed but I
have a feeling the big fan on the front of the -10 is a little louder.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612
Robin
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| Subject: | Overhead console head room |
Chris,
I know we talked about AirCrafters' console on the phone, so please don't
take this as a sales pitch;-)
The stock ducts below the panel let in a lot of air. You can aim then where
ever you need it most, from a whisper to gale force.
I'm tall too, that's why I didn't want much hanging down from the ceiling.
So far our console is working out nicely.
I taxi with the door cracked open but with all the fuss lately I may stop
that. I've never had a problem, even with it full open. Usually I just
leave it cracked and hold the bottom edge with my left hand. I'd hate for
it to depart though, so I'm thinking I'll just quit that.
OIur RV is in the interior shop now. Should be done in a few days. I'll
post some pictures then.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hukill
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Overhead console head room
Before installing my cabin top, I am trying to decide if I need an
overhead console, and what the impact on my headroom will be. I am only
considering the console for the front seat gaspers, as lights can be
installed without one. I am 6' 4'', and am concerned about the loss of
headroom from a console. I sat in a friends 10 that had a full width
console, and had a headroom issue. If I only brought a duct forward to
route air, could that 3inch wide, or so, duct up the middle of the cabin
top cause a headroom issue as well? I don't like my headset bumping on
anything! A real pet peeve. Has anyone ducted air up from the front,
possibly from substituting the steel cabin support bar with a larger
diameter, thinner wall tube, and running the air thru that? How about
enclosing the existing support with a fiberglass duct? Maybe mount the mag
compass in there and really look custom.
The real question is, do you truly need the additional air? My RV8 has
only the panel mounted air vent, and it is more than adequate, once
airborne, and I fly out of Las Vegas. Of course on the 8, you slide the
canopy back for taxi airflow, an option that isn't available in the 10. How
about taxing with the doors slightly open? Are the doors too fragile for
that option? My friend with the console says that the gaspers leak air , and
that's a nuisance in the winter, but he feels the overhead gaspers will be a
blessing in the summer, but as yet unknown. Would an inline fan, when turned
off, restrict the ram pressure enough to prevent unwanted leakage? A
shutoff valve would work, but that's complexity and weight that gains you
little.
Opinions or experiences anyone?
Chris Hukill
tailcone attached
(hanger sure got smaller)
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| Subject: | Missing index holes in doors |
The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6 index
holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing and one of
the window index holes has been ground away. I have the pink doors.
Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound curves and
lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical the precise
location of these holes is?
Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
Durham 40605
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
Here's a link (16-18 pics) to one way to do it,
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2041%20Upper%20Fwd%20Fuse%20Install/slides/DSC04357.html
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Cumins wrote:
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> Can you send pics how you install this I am very interested.
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> Thanks
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> John G. Cumins
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| Subject: | Missing index holes in doors |
LOL. The mating of the shells in part determines the location of the latch
box which contains the door handle. Get it wrong and your Van supplied door
pins will be too long/too short. The too short will have to be re-fabricated
from additional material. They advised me that they only make standard
length pins which is not reasonable since the location of the latch/handle
can vary due to door construction and latch placement.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Missing index holes in doors
The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6 index
holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing and one of the
window index holes has been ground away. I have the pink doors.
Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take measurements.
This isn't going to be easy given the compound curves and lack of clean
straight lines. I wonder how critical the precise location of these holes
is?
Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
Durham 40605
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
From my experience with the green doors, the provided index holes
weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.
For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner door
shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will slide about
20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the cutout. I
marked the extent of travel in all directions, then centered the door,
and back drilled the door from the existing holes in the aluminium
structure. The right door's index holes were correct, but the left
door's index holes were off by about 2-3 mm.
The outer door shell can then be centered on the inner door shell,
using the window joggle as a reference, and the four corner holes
drilled.
FWIW, I continued to cleco the door shells all around their perimeter,
rather than relying on clamps/weights to hold them together when gluing.
Now trimmed, hinged and latched, the doors fit extremely well.
Indran
>
>
> The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6
> index holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing
> and one of the window index holes has been ground away. I have the
> pink doors.
>
> Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
> I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
> measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound curves
> and lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical the precise
> location of these holes is?
>
> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
> Durham 40605
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
Starting with Bob Nuckoll's book (good reference for any builder), I
considered various designs with dual alternators and a single battery when
building my 8A. Most however had at least one way where a single fault
would end up with no electrical power. As I have dual electronic ignitions,
this was not acceptable.
Considering there is nothing as reliable as a maintained, modern battery, I
designed a dual Odyssey PC625 battery, single alternator power distribution
for the 8A. One battery has enough power to run the panel and ignition for
at least two hours - that is if you dump the heavy, non-vital loads like
landing lights and pitot heat. Both batteries in parallel (normal
operation) provides superior cranking power. While a single battery starts
my IO-360 just fine, I would not take off with a known battery problem.
I'll have a similar install in the RV-10.
I replace one battery every other annual, or if I do something stupid like
leave one of the master solenoids on and run a battery down to the ground (I
now have a light to remind me). This makes sure that neither battery is
over four years old. The first battery I pulled out is still in service on
a Pulsar.
I did a 2 hour test discharge using one battery. It keep one ignition and
panel up with continuous transponder and radio comms with air traffic
control (the other battery and alternator where available if needed during
this test).
Carl
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
Excellent question. I'm in the early stages of designing the electrical and
panel. I've been reading Bob Nuckoll's book and other articles regarding
dual alternators, dual batteries, etc., and I've found myself leaning
towards the single battery/dual alternator path.
I have a lot of experience with drop-out ram air turbines in airplanes - not
that I ever needed to use it except in simulators. I'm comfortable with the
concept.
The B&C or PlanePower vacuum pad alternators are logical choices in my book.
They are a little cheaper, as well. But I like the concept of a totally
independent alternator outside the engine compartment. I also like the "pull
the handle" logic. We all know that a pilot's IQ goes to about 40 when
things suddenly stop, and that pulling tends to satisfy the inner beast.
I think it qualifies as a KISS. No cowling to pull, one less thing to do in
the engine compartment, etc.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the plane
now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down the baffle
seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that and then engine
getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
John,
Ours are just like Deems only not as nice. The same goes for
anything other photo Deems posts. Anytime we were stuck our mantra was
WWDD. What Would Deems Do? Problem solved... or made worse...
Robin
Deems envy...
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
Can you send pics how you install this I am very interested.
Thanks
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
Or you can place the world's largest defrost fans in those holes.
Speaking of defrost fans we just installed two high volume computer fans
in the dash. They are Vantec Tornado 80mm case fans that put out A LOT
of CFM. I believe they pass 84 CFM vs. the typical computer case fans
which are in the low to mid 30 CFM. Price under $11.00 each. These units
are industrial grade cooling for computer gamers. They are run 55 dBA at
full speed but I have a feeling the big fan on the front of the -10 is a
little louder.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612
Robin
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
This is the company that JT Helms was with (retired or promoted I think).
Just got coverage for 100K for $658 which is much less than 1%. That was
with the 10% AOPA discount. Policy is with AIG Aviation. $100 deductible.
Jenny Estes
Account Executive - Light Aircraft Branch
PO Box 3800
Chesterfield, MO 63006-3800
Toll Free (877) 475-5860
Fax (636) 532-3646
Email - jestes@nationair.com
www.nationair.com <blocked::http://www.nationair.com/>
CA License # 0D36859
The two things I think about is 1) how do I feel about the folks I am
dealing with (Jenny Estes & Nationair) and 2) how well do they pay off if
you need to collect.
I am VERY satisfied with the initial service, item 1 and hope not to find
out about item 2!
Good luck
Bill S
7a finishing
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Hi
I am looking getting builders insurance for my -10. I am starting to
accumulate parts of significant value and they are not covered under my
homeowner's policy (I am still in my garage).
I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and what
the rate is per $1k of coverage.
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643
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From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
Concurr with the dual battery single alternator concept' It is used on both
my Glastar and the RV10. Both odyssey 680s can be dumped through the starter
or as usual the second 680 is constantly trickle charged and will opeerate
the essential bus for at least an hour.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
--> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
Starting with Bob Nuckoll's book (good reference for any builder), I
considered various designs with dual alternators and a single battery when
building my 8A. Most however had at least one way where a single fault
would end up with no electrical power. As I have dual electronic ignitions,
this was not acceptable.
Considering there is nothing as reliable as a maintained, modern battery, I
designed a dual Odyssey PC625 battery, single alternator power distribution
for the 8A. One battery has enough power to run the panel and ignition for
at least two hours - that is if you dump the heavy, non-vital loads like
landing lights and pitot heat. Both batteries in parallel (normal
operation) provides superior cranking power. While a single battery starts
my IO-360 just fine, I would not take off with a known battery problem.
I'll have a similar install in the RV-10.
I replace one battery every other annual, or if I do something stupid like
leave one of the master solenoids on and run a battery down to the ground (I
now have a light to remind me). This makes sure that neither battery is
over four years old. The first battery I pulled out is still in service on
a Pulsar.
I did a 2 hour test discharge using one battery. It keep one ignition and
panel up with continuous transponder and radio comms with air traffic
control (the other battery and alternator where available if needed during
this test).
Carl
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
--> <johngoodman@earthlink.net>
Excellent question. I'm in the early stages of designing the electrical and
panel. I've been reading Bob Nuckoll's book and other articles regarding
dual alternators, dual batteries, etc., and I've found myself leaning
towards the single battery/dual alternator path.
I have a lot of experience with drop-out ram air turbines in airplanes - not
that I ever needed to use it except in simulators. I'm comfortable with the
concept.
The B&C or PlanePower vacuum pad alternators are logical choices in my book.
They are a little cheaper, as well. But I like the concept of a totally
independent alternator outside the engine compartment. I also like the "pull
the handle" logic. We all know that a pilot's IQ goes to about 40 when
things suddenly stop, and that pulling tends to satisfy the inner beast.
I think it qualifies as a KISS. No cowling to pull, one less thing to do in
the engine compartment, etc.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
John,
Again no expert here and not flying yet but I like the dual
battery set up as Carl describes and have configured our -10 exactly
that way. Battery 1 trickle charges Battery 2 and both batteries are
available for extra cranking power on cold days etc... #2 battery
energizes the Essential Buss only. Additionally our back up to the G900X
is a Dynon 100 with its own internal battery. So that is three, count
them three batteries. I think this is a belts, suspenders and another
set of suspenders approach.
Robin
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| Subject: | Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager |
John,
I think that is really in poor taste. I sent an e-mail to Tony on Friday to see
if in fact AA was out of business. He replied to me today, unfortuenatly to
confirm what has already been posted. So to imply he has cut and run is the
internet at it's worst.
I know people have been screwed when this has happened before (ie Direct-To) but
there's no evidence of that yet. People may yet be out their money but maybe
you should wait until the facts are in before you crucify Tony . Did you lose
money? If so I could see where you might be upset, but if not can we stay civil?
AA's closure is a blow for the whole community not just Tony, his employees
and customers.
My 2 cents.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
Ahhh...
Just the kind of response I was looking for - strong opinions. Keep firing, I want
to hear all the negatives. One thing I need to point out is that the RAT is
a ready to install device. All I have to to is mount a square bracket, cut a
smaller hole in the skin, and bolt in the device. Wiring to the bus and the pull
handle are additional, but minor.
RATs are labor intensive to airliners because nobody ever uses them and maintenance
has to "maintain them." In our environment, an easy matter. A simple airborne
test and a write-up would solve all the part 135/121 problems, but would
create a lot of MEL stickers. However, we can pull it anytime we want and get
it fixed with no problems, just don't make it a part of your POH IFR requirements.
In fairness to the airline maintenance folks, pushing it back in is no easy
job on an Airbus.
Keep the comments coming....
John
John
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N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Way to go Bob! Congratulations and happy testing.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Bob any videos of your first flight,
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
Thanks Robin, Deem is a true craftsman that's for sure. I am amazed.
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
John,
Ours are just like Deems only not as nice. The same goes for
anything other photo Deems posts. Anytime we were stuck our mantra was WWDD.
What Would Deems Do? Problem solved. or made worse.
Robin
Deems envy.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 4:04 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
Can you send pics how you install this I am very interested.
Thanks
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Panel Access / Defrost Fans
Or you can place the world's largest defrost fans in those holes.
Speaking of defrost fans we just installed two high volume computer fans in
the dash. They are Vantec Tornado 80mm case fans that put out A LOT of CFM.
I believe they pass 84 CFM vs. the typical computer case fans which are in
the low to mid 30 CFM. Price under $11.00 each. These units are industrial
grade cooling for computer gamers. They are run 55 dBA at full speed but I
have a feeling the big fan on the front of the -10 is a little louder.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999612
Robin
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Dual batteries and primary and essential buses.
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| Subject: | Builders Insurance |
Thanks Jenny
I am in Canada so that may make things a bit different. Can you place
builders insurance for a Canadian based risk?
Cheers
Les Kearney
(780) 707-0169
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Schlatterer
Sent: May-05-08 6:20 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
This is the company that JT Helms was with (retired or promoted I think).
Just got coverage for 100K for $658 which is much less than 1%. That was
with the 10% AOPA discount. Policy is with AIG Aviation. $100 deductible.
Jenny Estes
Account Executive - Light Aircraft Branch
PO Box 3800
Chesterfield, MO 63006-3800
Toll Free (877) 475-5860
Fax (636) 532-3646
Email - jestes@nationair.com
www.nationair.com <blocked::http://www.nationair.com/>
CA License # 0D36859
The two things I think about is 1) how do I feel about the folks I am
dealing with (Jenny Estes & Nationair) and 2) how well do they pay off if
you need to collect.
I am VERY satisfied with the initial service, item 1 and hope not to find
out about item 2!
Good luck
Bill S
7a finishing
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 12:06 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Builders Insurance
Hi
I am looking getting builders insurance for my -10. I am starting to
accumulate parts of significant value and they are not covered under my
homeowner's policy (I am still in my garage).
I was wondering what others are paying for insurance, if at all, and what
the rate is per $1k of coverage.
Inquiring minds need to know
Les Kearney
#40643
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| Subject: | Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager |
In John's defense, I really didn't take that as a serious crucifixion
of Tony. If he did cut and run and left customers and vendors both
without their instruments or money, then he may deserve to look like
the guy in the picture. If he does what many would not and says,
"I'll do everything I can to get everybody their money or instruments
back", then great for him and the picture was purely in fun. Either
way, I enjoyed trying to see if that really was Tony or just a friend
of John's that he beat up to take a picture for the list.
By the way, I have talked to a vendor who has already changed their
credit and billing/shipping/payment policy because they expect to have
a shipped order yet unpaid when the dust settles, so not only are
their customers who have paid for instruments that they haven't
received, but their are vendors who have shipped instruments that they
were not paid for.
I just hope John doesn't send Guido and Vinny down to see me, but on
the other hand, I have Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo watching my
back, so we might send them back looking like "Tony".
All in fun and certainly no offense meant to anybody else with the
above names, including Tony from the late company known as Accuracy
Avionics.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 5, 2008, at 8:35 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> John,
> I think that is really in poor taste. I sent an e-mail to Tony on
> Friday to see if in fact AA was out of business. He replied to me
> today, unfortuenatly to confirm what has already been posted. So to
> imply he has cut and run is the internet at it's worst.
>
> I know people have been screwed when this has happened before (ie
> Direct-To) but there's no evidence of that yet. People may yet be
> out their money but maybe you should wait until the facts are in
> before you crucify Tony . Did you lose money? If so I could see
> where you might be upset, but if not can we stay civil? AA's
> closure is a blow for the whole community not just Tony, his
> employees and customers.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181359#181359
>
>
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Congratulations Good job
Gary
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
BOB,
Congrates..............CHT will always run high the first 50 hours....
............I was gonna trim the baffling...........after 50 hours it wa
s not an issue. ENJOY the Phase I.
DEAN
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| Subject: | Re: N442PM First Flight |
That's absolutely AWESOME!!! Bob, I've been following your progress
since I joined the list, and have enjoyed/benefited from your advice and
tips, it's really nice to see your dream fulfilled, keep us posted on
your phase 1, and we'll look forward to seeing you with your plane @ OSH
this year!
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
bcondrey wrote:
>
> #40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the plane
now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down the baffle
seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that and then
engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
>
> What a thrill!
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
John, You are too generous, a true craftsman, gets it right the1st time.
There are many builders that truly are craftsmen, I'm just persistent
and trying to get close to their results. I've got some time on my hands
and I also take a lot of pictures (being careful to edit out the OOPS!).
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
John Cumins wrote:
>
> Thanks Robin, Deem is a true craftsman thats for sure. I am amazed.
>
> John G. Cumins
>
> President
>
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
Just to repeat the key point, you want to preclude a single point failure
taking out your power distribution system. Having a second (or more)
alternator, regardless of type, but retaining typical production type buss
wiring does little to prevent many common failure modes. There was a
article a few years ago about a twin (two alternators) losing all electrical
power by a common buss connection failure. It provides a good case study on
this issue. I'll see if I can dig it up.
Another consideration is the reliability of the backup power. A second
battery that is routinely used and monitored during normal operations, or a
stand by mechanical device that REALLY needs to work when you pull the cord?
Carl
RV-8A (400 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johngoodman
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:38 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ram Air Turbine
Ahhh...
Just the kind of response I was looking for - strong opinions. Keep firing,
I want to hear all the negatives. One thing I need to point out is that the
RAT is a ready to install device. All I have to to is mount a square
bracket, cut a smaller hole in the skin, and bolt in the device. Wiring to
the bus and the pull handle are additional, but minor.
RATs are labor intensive to airliners because nobody ever uses them and
maintenance has to "maintain them." In our environment, an easy matter. A
simple airborne test and a write-up would solve all the part 135/121
problems, but would create a lot of MEL stickers. However, we can pull it
anytime we want and get it fixed with no problems, just don't make it a part
of your POH IFR requirements. In fairness to the airline maintenance folks,
pushing it back in is no easy job on an Airbus.
Keep the comments coming....
John
John
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#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Turbine |
or a stand by mechanical device that REALLY needs to work when you pull the cord?
Hmmm,
Maybe a vacuum system? [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to the airport.
The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it is
on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the airport you
should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if I am incorrect
on any of these details
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OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
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