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1. 01:35 AM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Chris and Susie McGough)
2. 02:31 AM - Door seal adhesive (Chris and Susie McGough)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (Lew Gallagher)
4. 05:30 AM - Re: Door seal adhesive (linn Walters)
5. 05:56 AM - Re: N442PM First Flight (MauleDriver)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (MauleDriver)
7. 06:03 AM - Trim Tab Frustration (Mike Doble (Home Office))
8. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Les Kearney)
9. 06:39 AM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (tsts4)
10. 06:51 AM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (Kent Ogden)
11. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
12. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Kelly McMullen)
13. 07:23 AM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (Indran Chelvanayagam)
14. 08:24 AM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Scott Schmidt)
15. 08:25 AM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Les Kearney)
16. 08:50 AM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (John Gonzalez)
17. 09:45 AM - RPM (David McNeill)
18. 09:50 AM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (MauleDriver)
19. 09:58 AM - For Sale (Frank Benedict)
20. 10:27 AM - Re: N442PM First Flight (John Testement)
21. 10:54 AM - Re: RPM (Jesse Saint)
22. 10:56 AM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Bob Leffler)
23. 11:33 AM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Jenny Estes)
24. 12:11 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
25. 12:15 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
26. 12:28 PM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (jim berry)
27. 12:56 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (Les Kearney)
28. 01:47 PM - airwolf oil separator (lbgjb10)
29. 04:11 PM - Re: RPM (Randy DeBauw)
30. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Builders Insurance (Dj Merrill)
31. 04:58 PM - Re: N442PM First Flight (partner14)
32. 05:30 PM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (Andy Turner)
33. 05:36 PM - Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (Eric_Kallio)
34. 06:55 PM - Phase I (David McNeill)
35. 07:09 PM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (Mike Doble (Home Office))
36. 07:27 PM - Re: RPM (n277dl)
37. 07:32 PM - Re: Builders Insurance (John Ackerman)
38. 07:32 PM - Re: Missing index holes in doors (Chris)
39. 07:34 PM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (Rick Sked)
40. 07:36 PM - Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans (John Ackerman)
41. 07:37 PM - Re: airwolf oil separator (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
42. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager (John Cox)
43. 07:47 PM - Re: Trim Tab Frustration (Dave Leikam)
44. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: RPM (Rick Sked)
45. 08:27 PM - Builders insurance (Fred Williams, M.D.)
46. 08:55 PM - Re: Builders insurance (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Re: N442PM First Flight |
ON Ya Bob!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
>
> #40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
> plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
> the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between
> that and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
>
> What a thrill!
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181352#181352
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Door seal adhesive |
Has anyone tried proseal on the door seals. Not having any luck with
silicone
regerds Chris.
Cant find the 3m silicone over here.
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
Here's a thought on the doors. Ours are pink and I didn't give it a whole lot
of thought aligning them up prior to gluing -- the forward hole in the ear just
below the windshield junction seemed to work just fine as a starting point.
What I did notice (and didn't think to share until now) was that after centering
the handle mechanism in the pocket per directions, there was a slight difference
in penetration of the fore and aft rods -- as mentioned above.
So what I did on the SECOND door (since the second almost always benefits from
experience with the first, I try to do the least used or noticed first!) was temporarily
fit the rods in the mechanism with the rods either fully extended or
retracted, THEN mark it for mount in the pocket based on equal distance at the
tips -- problem solved. So if there's a slight misalignment in gluing the
door halves together, at least in terms of rod extension, it doesn't matter.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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| Subject: | Re: Door seal adhesive |
Go to a good auto parts store ( I assume you do have those???) and get
3M door seal adhesive. It's nasty stuff (like proseal) but made to glue
down rubber seals.
Linn
do not archive
Chris and Susie McGough wrote:
> <VHMUM@bigpond.com>
>
> Has anyone tried proseal on the door seals. Not having any luck with
> silicone
>
> regerds Chris.
>
> Cant find the 3m silicone over here.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: N442PM First Flight |
Congratulations Bob!
Bill "itchy" Watson
bcondrey wrote:
>
> #40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the plane
now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down the baffle
seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that and then
engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
>
> What a thrill!
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181352#181352
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
It sounds like this approach addressed the centering of the latch
mechanism too.
Does the cleco'ing mean that you drilled holes around the primeter of
the door and top to clamp it during the gluing? Makes sense to me at
this point.
Bill "itchy" Watson
Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
> <dc71@netspace.net.au>
>
> From my experience with the green doors, the provided index holes
> weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.
>
> For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner door
> shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will slide about
> 20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the cutout. I
> marked the extent of travel in all directions, then centered the door,
> and back drilled the door from the existing holes in the aluminium
> structure. The right door's index holes were correct, but the left
> door's index holes were off by about 2-3 mm.
>
> The outer door shell can then be centered on the inner door shell,
> using the window joggle as a reference, and the four corner holes
> drilled.
>
> FWIW, I continued to cleco the door shells all around their perimeter,
> rather than relying on clamps/weights to hold them together when gluing.
>
> Now trimmed, hinged and latched, the doors fit extremely well.
>
> Indran
>
>
>>
>>
>> The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6
>> index holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing and
>> one of the window index holes has been ground away. I have the pink
>> doors.
>>
>> Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
>> I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
>> measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound curves
>> and lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical the precise
>> location of these holes is?
>>
>> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
>> Durham 40605
>
>
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Frustration |
After many months of putting it off, I bonded the trim tabs and elevator
trailing edge with proseal (not too terrible of a job by the way). Per the
instructions Page 9-17 - 9-18 and Figure 2 on 9-19 it says to rivet the bent
tab ends on the trim tabs with CS4-4. Huh? Did I miss something?
Instructions say to drill and dimple #40. CS4-4 requires #30 hole and
dimple.
Please help.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Hi
I had a long chrt about this with my H/O carrier. This is a specific
exclusion.
My aviation insurer said that the builders risk policy would cover transport
to/from the airport. In fact when I pick up my QB wings Friday in Oregon,
his policy will cover the parts while in the U-Haul to Canada.
Perhaps that is why it is more expensive than what people are seeing in the
US>
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: May-05-08 9:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to the
airport. The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it
is on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the airport
you should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if I
am incorrect on any of these details
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Frustration |
Mike,
The last sentence in step 1 on page 9-17 has you drill those holes with a #30.
The gotcha (sort of) is step 6 where it tells you to dimple all the holes in
the skin but not specifically the close-out tabs. And then you rivet, as you pointed
out, in step 10 with the CS4-4s.
--------
Todd Stovall
728TT (reserved)
RV-10 Empacone
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Frustration |
Mike,
I just went through this myself. I just drilled with the #30, and by
bending the tabs out a little I was able to re-dimple with my squeezer.
Kent Ogden
#40710 (tailcone)
>>> "Mike Doble (Home Office)" <mikedoble@wi.rr.com> 5/6/2008 9:00 AM >>>
After many months of putting it off, I bonded the trim tabs and elevator
trailing edge with proseal (not too terrible of a job by the way). Per the
instructions Page 9-17 * 9-18 and Figure 2 on 9-19 it says to rivet the bent
tab ends on the trim tabs with CS4-4. Huh? Did I miss something?
Instructions say to drill and dimple #40. CS4-4 requires #30 hole and
dimple.
Please help.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
http://forums.matronics.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Avemco insured me while I moved the whole project between TX and WI in a rental
truck. That being said I will probably review options again when my current
policy expires this fall.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
Hi
I had a long chrt about this with my H/O carrier. This is a specific
exclusion.
My aviation insurer said that the builders risk policy would cover transport
to/from the airport. In fact when I pick up my QB wings Friday in Oregon,
his policy will cover the parts while in the U-Haul to Canada.
Perhaps that is why it is more expensive than what people are seeing in the
US>
Cheers
Les Kearney
#40643
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: May-05-08 9:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to the
airport. The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it
is on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the airport
you should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if I
am incorrect on any of these details
--------
OSH '08 or Bust
Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181413#181413
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Nah, it is the risk of that steam boiler that you took out of the
Cherokee, Les. ;-)
They don't understand alternate power/engines.
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Perhaps that is why it is more expensive than what people are seeing in the
> US>
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: May-05-08 9:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
>
>
> I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to the
> airport. The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
>
> Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it
> is on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
>
> Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the airport
> you should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if I
> am incorrect on any of these details
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181413#181413
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
Yes definitely - clecoes all the way around the perimeter of the doors.
Indran
On 06/05/2008, at 8:57 PM, MauleDriver wrote:
>
> It sounds like this approach addressed the centering of the latch
> mechanism too.
>
> Does the cleco'ing mean that you drilled holes around the primeter
> of the door and top to clamp it during the gluing? Makes sense to
> me at this point.
>
> Bill "itchy" Watson
>
> Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
>> >
>>
>> From my experience with the green doors, the provided index holes
>> weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.
>>
>> For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner
>> door shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will
>> slide about 20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the
>> cutout. I marked the extent of travel in all directions, then
>> centered the door, and back drilled the door from the existing
>> holes in the aluminium structure. The right door's index holes were
>> correct, but the left door's index holes were off by about 2-3 mm.
>>
>> The outer door shell can then be centered on the inner door shell,
>> using the window joggle as a reference, and the four corner holes
>> drilled.
>>
>> FWIW, I continued to cleco the door shells all around their
>> perimeter, rather than relying on clamps/weights to hold them
>> together when gluing.
>>
>> Now trimmed, hinged and latched, the doors fit extremely well.
>>
>> Indran
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6
>>> index holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing
>>> and one of the window index holes has been ground away. I have
>>> the pink doors.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
>>> I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
>>> measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound
>>> curves and lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical
>>> the precise location of these holes is?
>>>
>>> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
>>> Durham 40605
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: N442PM First Flight |
Well that will make 2008 a year to remember!
Great job, I look forward to seeing you at Oshkosh this year!
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:02 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
>
> #40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
> plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
> the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between
> that and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
>
> What a thrill!
>
> Bob
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181352#181352
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Hmmm
For those of you who don't follow Kelley's reference, go to
http://www.kookamunga.net to see the only flying example of a "coal fired,
steam powered Cherokee". This may also explain why my -10 will have an Egg
engine.
Cheers
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: May-06-08 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
Nah, it is the risk of that steam boiler that you took out of the
Cherokee, Les. ;-)
They don't understand alternate power/engines.
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Les Kearney <kearney@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Perhaps that is why it is more expensive than what people are seeing in
the
> US>
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Kearney
> #40643
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: May-05-08 9:58 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
>
>
> I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to
the
> airport. The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
>
> Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when
it
> is on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
>
> Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the
airport
> you should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if
I
> am incorrect on any of these details
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181413#181413
>
>
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| Subject: | Missing index holes in doors |
The four inch hand spring clamps work great too rather than making holes in
the canopy top...that is provided you still don't have either the windscre
en or the rear windows in. A helpful hint also is to cut strips of 1/16 or
1/8" ply to distribute the force of the clamps. The clamps can be placed ab
out 3-4 inches apart from one another.
As per indexing holes on the halves, only two of mine lined up anyway on ea
ch door. They were pretty worthless. Vans fiberglass???
Here is something no one else has mentioned. In addition to the dog ears on
the lower half of the doors which index the door to the fuselage opening,
I also made an aluminum jig from 1/8" aluminum. It was held onto the door w
ith two clecoes and one hole into the existing open holes in the fuse(Total
three clecoes each jig). Each door has a fore and a aft jig.These serves t
o keep the alignment after the dog ears are removed and can be used for all
types of things. Makes sure that any subsequent fitting or sealing or pin
adjusting, etc is done in exactly the same door position. KEY!
JG> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:57:27 -0400> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com> To:
rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Missing index holes in doo
> It sounds like this approach addressed the centering of the latch > mech
anism too.> > Does the cleco'ing mean that you drilled holes around the pri
meter of > the door and top to clamp it during the gluing? Makes sense to m
e at > this point.> > Bill "itchy" Watson> > Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:> >
et.au>> >> > From my experience with the green doors, the provided index ho
les > > weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.> >>
> For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner door >
> shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will slide about >
> 20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the cutout. I > > mark
ed the extent of travel in all directions, then centered the door, > > and
back drilled the door from the existing holes in the aluminium > > structur
e. The right door's index holes were correct, but the left > > door's index
holes were off by about 2-3 mm.> >> > The outer door shell can then be cen
tered on the inner door shell, > > using the window joggle as a reference,
and the four corner holes > > drilled.> >> > FWIW, I continued to cleco the
door shells all around their perimeter, > > rather than relying on clamps/
weights to hold them together when gluing.> >> > Now trimmed, hinged and la
tched, the doors fit extremely well.> >> > Indran> >> >> >>> >>> >> The fir
st step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6 > >> index holes
per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing and > >> one of the w
indow index holes has been ground away. I have the pink > >> doors.> >>> >>
Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.> >> I have a call i
nto Vans and they are going to attempt to take > >> measurements. This isn'
t going to be easy given the compound curves > >> and lack of clean straigh
t lines. I wonder how critical the precise > >> location of these holes is?
> >>> >> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson> >> Durham 40605> >> >> >>
-========================
==> > >
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Having difficulty getting 2700 RPM on the IO540D4A5 and the Hartzell CS
prop. Have tried adjusting the prop low pitch stop without positive results.
Did anyone else have to adjust the sped control inside the governor or was
the use of the set screws enough?
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
John, I like the idea of the jigs for subsequent alignment. As I
understand it, the doors 'float' and I can imagine that precise
alignment later can be key for a craftsman like job. I'm going to check
out those 4" clamps too. Thanks.
So, is Vans' fiberglass quality (steel weldments quality too) a result
of it not being a core competency of theirs? The aluminum stuff is
just so sweet and the fiberglass such a pain. Or is it just the nature
of working in hand laid composites versus CAD/CNC produced aluminum
structures.
Is Lancair's stuff substantially 'better'. Plastic Germain sailplane
equipment is fine stuff but it seems just as painful to work with as
this stuff - but that is not an apples to apples comparison.
Re "Core Competency"; I mis-drilled a big 'ol #19 hold thru a piece of
aluminum and the glass top. After referring to Acceptable Methods, I
called Tech Support to discuss how to best fabricate a patch for the
aluminum. They sort of laughed off my concern about the aluminum and
suggested that nothing was really required. A subsequent check with
engineering resulted in the same thing, i.e., the aluminum is probably
fine but you can patch if you want. However, the hole in the glass was
a concern. I needed to be sure to plug with structural filler such as
flox. I'm thinking, 'duh, I know what to do with the glass hole but my
main concern was with the aluminum structure. I guess it's just what
you are most comfortable with.
John Gonzalez wrote:
> The four inch hand spring clamps work great too rather than making
> holes in the canopy top...that is provided you still don't have either
> the windscreen or the rear windows in. A helpful hint also is to cut
> strips of 1/16 or 1/8" ply to distribute the force of the clamps. The
> clamps can be placed about 3-4 inches apart from one another.
>
> As per indexing holes on the halves, only two of mine lined up anyway
> on each door. They were pretty worthless. Vans fiberglass???
>
> Here is something no one else has mentioned. In addition to the dog
> ears on the lower half of the doors which index the door to the
> fuselage opening, I also made an aluminum jig from 1/8" aluminum. It
> was held onto the door with two clecoes and one hole into the existing
> open holes in the fuse(Total three clecoes each jig). Each door has a
> fore and a aft jig.These serves to keep the alignment after the dog
> ears are removed and can be used for all types of things. Makes sure
> that any subsequent fitting or sealing or pin adjusting, etc is done
> in exactly the same door position. KEY!
>
> JG
>
> > Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:57:27 -0400
> > From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Missing index holes in doors
> >
> >
> > It sounds like this approach addressed the centering of the latch
> > mechanism too.
> >
> > Does the cleco'ing mean that you drilled holes around the primeter of
> > the door and top to clamp it during the gluing? Makes sense to me at
> > this point.
> >
> > Bill "itchy" Watson
> >
> > Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
> > > <dc71@netspace.net.au>
> > >
> > > From my experience with the green doors, the provided index holes
> > > weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.
> > >
> > > For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner door
> > > shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will slide
> about
> > > 20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the cutout. I
> > > marked the extent of travel in all directions, then centered the
> door,
> > > and back drilled the door from the existing holes in the aluminium
> > > structure. The right door's index holes were correct, but the left
> > > door's index holes were off by about 2-3 mm.
> > >
> > > The outer door shell can then be centered on the inner door shell,
> > > using the window joggle as a reference, and the four corner holes
> > > drilled.
> > >
> > > FWIW, I continued to cleco the door shells all around their
> perimeter,
> > > rather than relying on clamps/weights to hold them together when
> gluing.
> > >
> > > Now trimmed, hinged and latched, the doors fit extremely well.
> > >
> > > Indran
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6
> > >> index holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing and
> > >> one of the window index holes has been ground away. I have the pink
> > >> doors.
> > >>
> > >> Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
> > >> I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
> > >> measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound curves
> > >> and lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical the precise
> > >> location of these holes is?
> > >>
> > >> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
> > >> Durham 40605
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> &g===============
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
I'll add my congratulations to the others Bob. You have worked long and hard
and are now enjoying the rewards of your labor. Please keep us posted on
your fly off experience. Did you do your own test flight?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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I seem to remember in one instance having to move the arm on the
governor one notch, but that makes a big difference. Usually the set
screw stop will give you the needed change.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 6, 2008, at 12:41 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> Having difficulty getting 2700 RPM on the IO540D4A5 and the Hartzell
> CS prop. Have tried adjusting the prop low pitch stop without
> positive results. Did anyone else have to adjust the sped control
> inside the governor or was the use of the set screws enough?
>
>
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Congratulations again!
Now we want to see pictures.......
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
Depending on which insurance company you go with for builders coverage you may
or may not have coverage for the parts during transportation. AIG's policy covers
the parts during transportation while Global does not. Your broker can see
about getting this covered with Global, it all depends on how many miles the
trip to the airport is. Your broker should be able to fill you in on this.
Regards,
Jenny Estes
NationAir Aviation Insurance
(877) 475-5860
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Builders Insurance
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:58:10 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I was told that the insurance does not cover you during the transport to the
airport. The greatest risks on you and the insurance company.
>
> Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it is
on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
>
> Before you get your "DAR sign-off" it is just parts, and even at the airport
you should have coverage of 10% of your H/O policy. Please correct me if I am
incorrect on any of these details
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust
> Q/B Kit - Ready to exit cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181413#181413
>
>
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Ok, here's the first time all three tires were off the ground! Susan
apparently posted a video on YouTube also. I don't have the link, but
if you search for N442PM it will come up (those sites are blocked from
my work computer). She wasn't aware that her camera was also recording
sound and her comments make it priceless!
Bob
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
Congratulations again!
Now we want to see pictures.......
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and
the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed
down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between
that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
I had my hangar neighbor do the first flight. He's a 13,000 hour pilot
with a couple thousand hours RV time (including some time in a -10).
Even with transition training he is far more qualified than I am for
that! He's also helping fly off test time and identify/work out the
various tweaks as we find them.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Testement
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
<jwt@roadmapscoaching.com>
I'll add my congratulations to the others Bob. You have worked long and
hard
and are now enjoying the rewards of your labor. Please keep us posted on
your fly off experience. Did you do your own test flight?
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and
the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed
down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between
that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
Regarding MauleDriver's question about the quality of Van's fiberglass parts: As
I have mentioned in a previous post, I hired 2 local composite gurus to teach
me some better fiberglass skills. Both are a&p's who spend about 90% of their
time doing composite work. I mentioned the frequent grumblings on the list about
the poor quality of the fiberglass parts. Their response was that the RV10
parts are better quality than they see on most of the all glass planes. These
guys have worked on multiple Lancairs, Glasairs and Velocities. They said that
even if the molds are perfect, the parts creep and move once they come out
of the mold.
Jim Berry
40482
Finished with fiberglass. Still itch.
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| Subject: | N442PM First Flight |
Bob
Congrats. Nice photo and even nicer video on youtube. The comments are truly
are priceless.
Cheers
Les
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Condrey, Bob (US
SSA)
Sent: May-06-08 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
Ok, here's the first time all three tires were off the ground! Susan
apparently posted a video on YouTube also. I don't have the link, but
if you search for N442PM it will come up (those sites are blocked from
my work computer). She wasn't aware that her camera was also recording
sound and her comments make it priceless!
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Leffler
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
Congratulations again!
Now we want to see pictures.......
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcondrey
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 8:02 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N442PM First Flight
#40105 took flight for the first time this morning. All went well and
the
plane now has 3.1 hours on it. CHTs are a little high but I trimmed
down
the baffle seal a little and did a little sealing so hopefully between
that
and then engine getting broken in it won't be an issue.
What a thrill!
Bob
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| Subject: | airwolf oil separator |
anybody use the airwolf separator--or feel the need of one. any problems. larry
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The problem might be that your governor is kicking in too early. When I
made the initial run-up to check for max rpm I backed off the stop set
screw on the governor is not in the loop. Then make the adjustment on
the stop screw on the prop hub. Randy 40006
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: RPM
I seem to remember in one instance having to move the arm on the
governor one notch, but that makes a big difference. Usually the set
screw stop will give you the needed change.
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Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 6, 2008, at 12:41 PM, David McNeill wrote:
Having difficulty getting 2700 RPM on the IO540D4A5 and the Hartzell CS
prop. Have tried adjusting the prop low pitch stop without positive
results. Did anyone else have to adjust the sped control inside the
governor or was the use of the set screws enough?
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
AirMike wrote:
> Also, I believe that most H/O policies will cover you as "contents" when it is
on site in your home depending on "Contents" coverage.
My homeowners does not cover the airplane, even as parts in my garage.
I specifically asked this prior to ordering the kit.
-Dj
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| Subject: | Re: N442PM First Flight |
I'll add my congrats also. Plan on listening to the video too. I'm located on
the opposite coast (Sacramento area), but have a catamaran docked in Chesapeake,
VA, at Atlantic Yacht Basin. Do plan on flying our 10 out to the boat at
some point and was wondering if there's any temporary hanger space available (say
a month or two at a time). The plane is in it's finishing stages with some
panel work and odds and ends to do. By July it should be flyable. Congrats
again!
Don McDonald
#40636
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Frustration |
Yep, add me to the list who failed to drill #30 and dimple those end tabs when
it would have been easy.
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| Subject: | Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager |
I would like to get the contact information. I too have some questions re: my panel
before they fade into the sunset. Shoot me an email at
scout019"at"msn.com
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I have logged 18.4 hours now and by flying Wed- Sat mornings expect to have
Phase 1 complete by Saturday. Approach to landing stalls are very gentle;
good stick shake and no tendency to snap over. The Cheltons are ,in the
background, calling "stall stall" at about 5 kts before the break. The pitch
cap appears yellow on the PFD at 70 KIAS and red at 65 KIAS I may change
this as clean stalls are about 58 KIAS and flap stalls are about 48 KIAS at
2300 gross weight. One other thought when you get the DAR paperwork; get the
biggest area he can allow. At 10 speeds one does a lot of repeat landings
and make one of them a cheap? fuel stop.
Trimming the air dams in front of # 1 and # 2 have provided enough
additional cooling for now. temps are staying below 400f and mostly in the
340-360 range. These temps while leaning to about 1350 -1400 EGTs. Number 1
was trimmed twice while #2 was trimmed once. I used aluminum tape to seal
baffling holes. Oil consumption for the last 5 hours has been about half a
quart. So thing seem to be settling down both in terms of temps and oil
consumption.
Hot starts using the procedure on a checklist I modified from someone else
on the list works well. I call it the turbine start. ignition on, throttle
fast idle and begin cranking, smoothly advance the mixture from idle cutoff
and the engine will fire as soon as the gas/air mixture is correct
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Frustration |
Ok, Ok, Ok, don't all come at me at once. Step 1, page 9-17.drill #30...
I'll crawl back into my hole now..
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Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Doble (Home
Office)
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Tab Frustration
After many months of putting it off, I bonded the trim tabs and elevator
trailing edge with proseal (not too terrible of a job by the way). Per the
instructions Page 9-17 - 9-18 and Figure 2 on 9-19 it says to rivet the bent
tab ends on the trim tabs with CS4-4. Huh? Did I miss something?
Instructions say to drill and dimple #40. CS4-4 requires #30 hole and
dimple.
Please help.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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Just a thought... may get someone with a remote gun to check the prop speed. No
clue what tach you're using but on the grt eis there is a "factor" to choose
for accurate readings. If you choose the wrong one of course you'll not get
the correct reading (don't ask how I know) and you'll think you're not getting
the max rpm.
Folks that balance props have remote gun to shoot the prop.
Doug
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"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Re: Builders Insurance |
I'll second that recommendation.
0.65% is what I pay, with AOPA discount.
I tried all the majors, NationAir easily had the lowest rate.
John Ackerman 40458
On May 5, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Dave McCoy wrote:
>
> Call Jenny Estes - NationAir - 877-475-5860
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing index holes in doors |
I mentioned the tabs (dog ears) about a month ago. :>)
-Chris Lucas
#40072
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----- Original Message -----
From: John Gonzalez
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Missing index holes in doors
The four inch hand spring clamps work great too rather than making
holes in the canopy top...that is provided you still don't have either
the windscreen or the rear windows in. A helpful hint also is to cut
strips of 1/16 or 1/8" ply to distribute the force of the clamps. The
clamps can be placed about 3-4 inches apart from one another.
As per indexing holes on the halves, only two of mine lined up anyway
on each door. They were pretty worthless. Vans fiberglass???
Here is something no one else has mentioned. In addition to the dog
ears on the lower half of the doors which index the door to the fuselage
opening, I also made an aluminum jig from 1/8" aluminum. It was held
onto the door with two clecoes and one hole into the existing open holes
in the fuse(Total three clecoes each jig). Each door has a fore and a
aft jig.These serves to keep the alignment after the dog ears are
removed and can be used for all types of things. Makes sure that any
subsequent fitting or sealing or pin adjusting, etc is done in exactly
the same door position. KEY!
JG
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 08:57:27 -0400
> From: MauleDriver@nc.rr.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Missing index holes in doors
>
>
> It sounds like this approach addressed the centering of the latch
> mechanism too.
>
> Does the cleco'ing mean that you drilled holes around the primeter
of
> the door and top to clamp it during the gluing? Makes sense to me at
> this point.
>
> Bill "itchy" Watson
>
> Indran Chelvanayagam wrote:
> > <dc71@netspace.net.au>
> >
> > From my experience with the green doors, the provided index holes
> > weren't very accurate, and do affect the final fit of the door.
> >
> > For my second set of (pink) doors, I centered the C-1002-B inner
door
> > shells in the cabin top cutout. You'll find that they will slide
about
> > 20 mm fore and aft, and about 25 mm up and down in the cutout. I
> > marked the extent of travel in all directions, then centered the
door,
> > and back drilled the door from the existing holes in the aluminium
> > structure. The right door's index holes were correct, but the left
> > door's index holes were off by about 2-3 mm.
> >
> > The outer door shell can then be centered on the inner door shell,
> > using the window joggle as a reference, and the four corner holes
> > drilled.
> >
> > FWIW, I continued to cleco the door shells all around their
perimeter,
> > rather than relying on clamps/weights to hold them together when
gluing.
> >
> > Now trimmed, hinged and latched, the doors fit extremely well.
> >
> > Indran
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The first step in working with the doors is to locate and drill 6
> >> index holes per door (45-02). The 2 fore index marks are missing
and
> >> one of the window index holes has been ground away. I have the
pink
> >> doors.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else run into this? How did you address it.
> >> I have a call into Vans and they are going to attempt to take
> >> measurements. This isn't going to be easy given the compound
curves
> >> and lack of clean straight lines. I wonder how critical the
precise
> >> location of these holes is?
> >>
> >> Bill "starting the door journey" Watson
> >> Durham 40605
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
&g===============
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Frustration |
Grasshopper.....your journey has just begun....many more diffcult challenge
s await you in your quest..
Rick Sked
40185, page 19 is a far distant memory
Finshed the baffeling
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Doble (Home Office)" <mikedoble@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 7:07:16 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim Tab Frustration
Ok, Ok, Ok, don=99t all come at me at once.=C2- Step 1, page 9-17
drill #30..
I=99ll crawl back into my hole now.
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Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Doble (Home Office)
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Tab Frustration
After many months of putting it off, I bonded the trim tabs and elevator tr
ailing edge with proseal (not too terrible of a job by the way).=C2- Per
the instructions Page 9-17 =93 9-18 and Figure 2 on 9-19 it says to r
ivet the bent tab ends on the trim tabs with CS4-4.=C2- Huh?=C2- Did I
miss something?=C2- Instructions say to drill and dimple #40.=C2- CS4-4
requires #30 hole and dimple.
Please help.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Re: Panel Access / Defrost Fans |
Well, Deems, I don't think so. A true craftsman fixes his mistakes to
a high standard.
Don't blush, now!
John Ackerman
On May 5, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Deems Davis wrote:
>
> John, You are too generous, a true craftsman, gets it right the1st
> time. There are many builders that truly are craftsmen, I'm just
> persistent and trying to get close to their results. I've got some
> time on my hands and I also take a lot of pictures (being careful to
> edit out the OOPS!).
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> John Cumins wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Robin, Deem is a true craftsman thats for sure. I am amazed.
>>
>> John G. Cumins
>>
>> President
>>
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> * *
>
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| Subject: | Re: airwolf oil separator |
I have one on my bird, but so far I'm not impressed as I continue to get oil
on the belly through the separator....
grumpy
N184JM
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In a message dated 5/6/2008 3:49:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
lbgjb@gnt.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb@gnt.net>
anybody use the airwolf separator--or feel the need of one. any problems.
larry
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| Subject: | Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager |
The picture and comment were meant to inject some levity into a most
tragic and real situation. Each individual is respectfully entitled to
their opinion and individual posting. Some on this list have been
brutal when someone is late on a product delivery from a hobbyist
manufacturer.
I felt compassion for Dr. Williams who in good faith offered money for
what was considered to be the delivery of a fine quality product. The
sting of business people who take a security deposit or payment and fail
to deliver said service should be all too rare an occurance. Several
have posted monies transferred for aircraft engines that is not returned
from a California vendor of some note.
We have no Better Business Bureau on this list. Only the open and free
exchange of information between contributors which can quickly promote a
product such as TCW or turn the other direction all too curtly. I have
a friend who converted funds of a client and served prison time for
violation of that fiduciary interest. I have several close friends here
locally who lost large sums with the Direct2 fiasco and have been
embroiled in the ongoing litigation.
I guess staying mum and watching the practice continue to unfold is too
common and possibly the preference. In my industry - the airline
industry it is most painfully obvious of the congressional efforts to
compensate purchasers when tickets paid are not honored and then a firm
goes south. If someone has constructive ideas has to how this phenomena
can be mitigated or reduced, I will be all ears. I look forward to Tony
making right by the clients of his company. Stein Bruch is one such
individual who deserves our business for his ethics and the effort to
make right the poor business practices of someone else's lack of same.
He is what others should emulate.
And Jesse thanks for the support. I feel at this point that "the
Kicking the Bear" might just be VAN and his posting of a possible
Primary Category RV-10 product direct from the factory to compete with
Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo. I hope to ask that question at the
annual factory open house on Thursday evening. And share same with this
group. I take my lumps straight on.
All in fun and to some... poor taste.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Accuracy Avionics Production Manager
In John's defense, I really didn't take that as a serious crucifixion
of Tony. If he did cut and run and left customers and vendors both
without their instruments or money, then he may deserve to look like
the guy in the picture. If he does what many would not and says,
"I'll do everything I can to get everybody their money or instruments
back", then great for him and the picture was purely in fun. Either
way, I enjoyed trying to see if that really was Tony or just a friend
of John's that he beat up to take a picture for the list.
By the way, I have talked to a vendor who has already changed their
credit and billing/shipping/payment policy because they expect to have
a shipped order yet unpaid when the dust settles, so not only are
their customers who have paid for instruments that they haven't
received, but their are vendors who have shipped instruments that they
were not paid for.
I just hope John doesn't send Guido and Vinny down to see me, but on
the other hand, I have Pedro, Miguel, Manuel and Marlo watching my
back, so we might send them back looking like "Tony".
All in fun and certainly no offense meant to anybody else with the
above names, including Tony from the late company known as Accuracy
Avionics.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 5, 2008, at 8:35 PM, tsts4 wrote:
>
> John,
> I think that is really in poor taste. I sent an e-mail to Tony on
> Friday to see if in fact AA was out of business. He replied to me
> today, unfortuenatly to confirm what has already been posted. So to
> imply he has cut and run is the internet at it's worst.
>
> I know people have been screwed when this has happened before (ie
> Direct-To) but there's no evidence of that yet. People may yet be
> out their money but maybe you should wait until the facts are in
> before you crucify Tony . Did you lose money? If so I could see
> where you might be upset, but if not can we stay civil? AA's
> closure is a blow for the whole community not just Tony, his
> employees and customers.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> --------
> Todd Stovall
> 728TT (reserved)
> RV-10 Empacone
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181359#181359
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Frustration |
Come on now Mike, stay out, it's nice to hear from you once in a while!
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
Fuel lines
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Doble (Home Office)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Trim Tab Frustration
Ok, Ok, Ok, don't all come at me at once. Step 1, page 9-17.drill
#30...
I'll crawl back into my hole now..
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Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Doble
(Home Office)
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:01 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Trim Tab Frustration
After many months of putting it off, I bonded the trim tabs and
elevator trailing edge with proseal (not too terrible of a job by the
way). Per the instructions Page 9-17 - 9-18 and Figure 2 on 9-19 it
says to rivet the bent tab ends on the trim tabs with CS4-4. Huh? Did
I miss something? Instructions say to drill and dimple #40. CS4-4
requires #30 hole and dimple.
Please help.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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AND STAY WAY BACK OF THE BLADES WHEN YOU USE THAT OPTICAL TACH GUN, it doesn't
need to be that close to count them going by.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "n277dl" <dljinia@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 7:24:49 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RPM
Just a thought... may get someone with a remote gun to check the prop speed. No
clue what tach you're using but on the grt eis there is a "factor" to choose
for accurate readings. If you choose the wrong one of course you'll not get
the correct reading (don't ask how I know) and you'll think you're not getting
the max rpm.
Folks that balance props have remote gun to shoot the prop.
Doug
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"Fools" are always more creative than process people and will always
find ways to ruin a perfectly good set of processes.
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| Subject: | Builders insurance |
With all this chat about builders insurance does anyone know where I can
buy avionics shop insurance???
Dr. Fred. :-)
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| Subject: | Builders insurance |
Pay with a credit card and insist on specific delivery very shortly after
payment.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:23 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Builders insurance
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With all this chat about builders insurance does anyone know where I can buy
avionics shop insurance???
Dr. Fred. :-)
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