---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/18/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:40 AM - Re: Ignition Cable clamp (Michael Wellenzohn) 2. 03:12 AM - Re: VH-ICY (AirMike) 3. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Ignition Cable clamp (linn Walters) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Performance Data Point (Tim Olson) 5. 12:04 PM - wheel pant and tire clearance (David McNeill) 6. 01:41 PM - closed loop rudder (linn Walters) 7. 02:00 PM - Re: wheel pant and tire clearance (Marcus Cooper) 8. 02:42 PM - Wheel Bearing auto part numbers (Tim Lewis) 9. 02:55 PM - Re: closed loop rudder (linn Walters) 10. 03:49 PM - Marker Beacon (AirMike) 11. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: VH-ICY (Chris and Susie McGough) 12. 04:25 PM - Windows installation - epilog (McGANN, Ron) 13. 05:06 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (Carl Froehlich) 14. 05:28 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (David McNeill) 15. 06:03 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (Bill DeRouchey) 16. 07:24 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (AirMike) 17. 07:56 PM - Re: closed loop rudder (Dave Leikam) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:34 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Ignition Cable clamp From: "Michael Wellenzohn" Linn, I I am looking for the ignition clamps that attach to the valve covers as you said the Adel Clamp modification is one way. However I wonder if there are the clamps for one and for two cables there must be also some out there for three did all six cylinder engine owners manufacture them themselves? Michael -------- RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) #511 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183632#183632 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:30 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: VH-ICY From: "AirMike" wow = awesome paint job. Hope that you are going to OSH Very sorry about the Dynon - would you use it if you did it again? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183635#183635 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:47 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ignition Cable clamp Michael Wellenzohn wrote: > > Linn, > > I I am looking for the ignition clamps that attach to > the valve covers as you said the Adel Clamp modification is one way. However I wonder if there are the clamps for one and for two cables there must be also some out there for three did all six cylinder engine owners manufacture them themselves? > Another good question!!!! Most all engines come with an ignition harness and those clamps, and I've seen clamps that were pretty ragged ...... even missing the plastic and they put electricians tape on the wires for anti-chafe!!! If you really want the 'real' clamps, then I'd start looking at the magneto manufacturers themselves. I have a downloaded Aircraft Spruce catalog on my workshop computer, but can't get it to download on this one. The clamps may be available thru Spruce ....send them an email. I suspect that with a long ..... really long .... distance phone call and shipping it may be easier for you to make your own. Linn do not archive > Michael > > -------- > RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing) > #511 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183632#183632 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:34 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Performance Data Point I agree totally! Yesterday up here it was a nice smooth morning in the 60's, so I met some fellow RV-ers for breakfast. I pushed the throttle forward all the way, mixture full rich, straight and level, until I hit 182kts. I've seen slightly higher one day, but it's nice to know it still performs "as listed". Oh, and after balancing my tires, once again, all landings had almost nothing for shimmy left. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Dave Saylor wrote: > We took off from Palm Springs this afternoon. It was HOT, but the plane > performed flawlessly. OAT was 38C, DA 3250' > > We opted for the long runway, but it wasn't necessary. We used 1/3 > flaps but did not lean for takeoff. We "rolled" into the departure, and > were off before the threshold. I used Google Earth to estimate the > takeoff distance--very close to 1250'. Climb was just a little less > than normal. I was worried about oil temp, which got to the bottom of > the yellow by around 6000'. We nosed over a bit until it cooled and > then just continued the climb (at that point we were passing 1000' over > a Mooney that took off in front of us...). > > Takeoff weight was about 2450 > > CHT was always around 385. > This is a great plane! > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:08 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: wheel pant and tire clearance what clearance have builders left between the wheel pant and tire? mains? nose? Is one inch adequate or too much? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:08 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: RV10-List: closed loop rudder Here's a pic of the bracket I cobbled up for the closed loop rudder cable. The red string is where the 1/16" loop cable will go. The reason for 1/16" cable is that I had the pulleys already. It would be an easy mod to put larger pulleys and larger cable. You can see the mod I made to the rudder cable attachment ..... it's inside the tunnel. I don't like sandy (in FL) shoes smacking the rudder cables so I moved them inside the tunnel. It would be simpler to make brackets for the pulleys and put them on the outside of the tunnel, running the cable through the tunnel just under the heater valves. This is the first time I've tried sending a picture so we'll see what happens!!! Linn do not archive inserted picture: ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:07 PM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: wheel pant and tire clearance David, 1" sounds pretty good to me. I probably have a little less in mine, I basically created a gap I could slide my fingers into comfortably. I started off with the gap a little too small on the aft side of the wheel and it didn't work out so well. While a tight gap would be nice, having a buffer for the wheel distorting will be a much better thing in the long run. I highly recommend you measure the gaps with weight on wheels to make sure it's valid. Marcus Do not archvie From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: RV10-List: wheel pant and tire clearance what clearance have builders left between the wheel pant and tire? mains? nose? Is one inch adequate or too much? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:55 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: RV10-List: Wheel Bearing auto part numbers Can anybody verify the part numbers for the RV-10 main wheel bearings (bearing cup part number and bearing cone part number)? The wheel is a Cleveland 40-59A. As best I can tell, the Cleveland bearing part numbers are 214-01300 (cup) and 214-01400 (cone), with equivalent auto part numbers LM29710 and LM29479. -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:42 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV10-List: closed loop rudder linn Walters wrote: > Here's a pic of the bracket I cobbled up for the closed loop rudder > cable. snip Thought you should also know. The reason for the cross arm holding the pulleys is that I was concerned with pulling the sides of the tunnel inwards if the pulleys were just mounted on brackets ...... (which would also be needed if the pulley brackets were on the outside). The pivot on the right side allows me to adjust the tension by moving the left side. I could always preload the loop with an extension spring between the loop cable and one rudder pedal attach point. That way I could bolt the left side down like the right side. Work in progress. Linn do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:05 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon From: "AirMike" Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip. Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception. Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer. Appreciate any comments. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:29 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie McGough" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: VH-ICY I am in Australia, might just be out of the test area! ----- Original Message ----- From: "AirMike" Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: VH-ICY > > wow = awesome paint job. > Hope that you are going to OSH > Very sorry about the Dynon - would you use it if you did it again? > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183635#183635 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:59 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Windows installation - epilog From: "McGANN, Ron" For those that may be interested, attached is the data sheet for FE6026 that some have recommended. There is no reference to bonding to plastics (particularly acrylic which is notoriously difficult to bond to) and my very subjective test indicated that the bond strength to acrylic was little better than epoxy/flox. So my conclusions were as follows ('structural' here is subjective and means that only average force was required to separate the bond. I was really interested in the substrate breaking before the bond) - : 1. Epoxy/flox bond strength to acrylic was not structural 2. FE6026 bond strength to acrylic was not structural 3. Sikaflex requires a 3/16" bed and is not structural (see also the really interesting thread on Sikaflex on the VAF list) (not tested) 4. Silpruf bond strength of ~300psi is not structural (not tested) 5. ScotchWeld 2216 B/A (1100 psi) achieves max peel strength with a 17-25 mil bond line (too bad if you need spacers or have gaps to fill) (not tested) 6. Did not have any Hysol, but from all accounts appears to be structural and an alterante to Weld on A supply of Weld-on arrived in Australia the day after I ordered the FE6026 and 2216 B/A from Spruce. For the record, I used the Weldon - piece of mind that the windshield is an integral part of the cabin and the bond will not fail if the unimaginable happens. YMMV, but if you depart from the plans, I would encourage you to do your own research/tests. What I did find is that there are some amazing adhesives out there for gluing Aluminium together!! <> Cheers Ron 187 finishing "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:04 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work well. A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make it with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal strip over a single wire. The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the wire so the total length is 37 1/2". If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far from the wing rib as possible. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (400 hrs) RV-10 (flaps) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip. Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception. Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer. Appreciate any comments. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:03 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon May be a wrong question but why is anyone thinking of installing a MB receiver. Any IFR GPS/EFIS identifies passing the OM. When over the final approach fix which is co=located with a MB, the OM flashes on the EFIS. Same question for ADF except for perhaps outside the USA. Here ADFs/NDBs and MB seem to be last century's technology. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:03 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon --> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work well. A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make it with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal strip over a single wire. The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the wire so the total length is 37 1/2". If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far from the wing rib as possible. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (400 hrs) RV-10 (flaps) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip. Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception. Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer. Appreciate any comments. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:14 PM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon We have two RV-10's using the same scheme as Carl wrote and it works well. There is a lot of power coming up from the ground so a simple wire is sufficient. If you plan to install a Bob Archer wingtip antenna today or add a backup NAV antenna in the future suggest you glass in the wire antenna on the upper side of the wingtip. If you glass it on the bottom the Bob Archer antenna will not work properly. Bill DeRouchey N939SB, flying Carl Froehlich wrote: The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work well. A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make it with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal strip over a single wire. The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the wire so the total length is 37 1/2". If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far from the wing rib as possible. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (400 hrs) RV-10 (flaps) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip. Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception. Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer. Appreciate any comments. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:55 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Marker Beacon From: "AirMike" Thank you for the information Carl. I also received a call which advised me that the MB in wingtip would work with a 18"x 6" wide base plate on which the MB antenna (Comant CI-102) would be mounted as close to the bottom of the wing tip as possible. This would give me a mounting plate as well as the "ground plane". I am not that knowledgeable in this area so any help is appreciated. I am essentially a VFR pilot but I wanted my plane certified as Day/Nite VFR/IFR so I have an SL30 Nav/Com and a Garmin 340 audio panel. My GPS is a Garmin 496. I figure that I saved about 6K on my panel over having a GNS430 plus on the 496 I get weather and Zaon traffic avoidance. Seems to me the best bang for the buck. My AFS3500 apparently displays the GS but not the MB. Any further comments appreciated. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183752#183752 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_panel_327.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:02 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: closed loop rudder Interesting design. Have you considered the lever arm force on the tabs holding the extensions to the rudder cables when the rudder hits the stops or just the repeated forward and back pressures from the rudder in flight. Could a small amount of continued flexing eventually break the tabs? The force on the tabs is now torque rather than tension. Just my humble observation. Dave Leikam #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: linn Walters To: RV-10 ; pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:34 AM Subject: RV10-List: closed loop rudder Here's a pic of the bracket I cobbled up for the closed loop rudder cable. The red string is where the 1/16" loop cable will go. The reason for 1/16" cable is that I had the pulleys already. It would be an easy mod to put larger pulleys and larger cable. You can see the mod I made to the rudder cable attachment ..... it's inside the tunnel. I don't like sandy (in FL) shoes smacking the rudder cables so I moved them inside the tunnel. It would be simpler to make brackets for the pulleys and put them on the outside of the tunnel, running the cable through the tunnel just under the heater valves. This is the first time I've tried sending a picture so we'll see what happens!!! 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