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1. 02:42 AM - Re: Re: Marker Beacon (Jesse Saint)
2. 06:20 AM - Re: closed loop rudder (linn Walters)
3. 06:55 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (William Curtis)
4. 07:56 AM - Re: GA airports for Chicago - Add on Detroit (Red Bull) (GRANSCOTT@aol.com)
5. 08:34 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (David Maib)
6. 09:38 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (William Curtis)
7. 09:59 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (John Jessen)
8. 10:45 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (Fred Williams, M.D.)
9. 11:10 AM - Re: Marker Beacon (sam@fr8dog.net)
10. 01:45 PM - OKC? (Jesse Saint)
11. 01:45 PM - OKC? (Jesse Saint)
12. 05:12 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (Kelly McMullen)
13. 06:10 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (John Jessen)
14. 06:28 PM - Re: Marker Beacon (Kelly McMullen)
15. 07:52 PM - Dual LIghtspeed (Don McDonald)
16. 08:47 PM - Re: Dual LIghtspeed (bcondrey)
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon |
If you are using an external MB antenna, then why not just mount it on
the bottom skin of the wing with a doubler? For that matter, you
could just put it near the wing root and save the cost and weight of
the additional coax. I don't see any need to go to the trouble of
putting a ground plane in the wingtip when you can just use the wing
itself. It will also make the wingtip a little easier to take off
because there will be one less connection. I have used the wire in
the wingtip with a BNC connector on it. Haven't actually tested it,
but the common feeling I have seen in my reading is that a coat hangar
would pickup the signal just fine, so bonding a wire in the wingtip
should work fine. I got this from Bob Archer.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 18, 2008, at 10:21 PM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Thank you for the information Carl. I also received a call which
> advised me that the MB in wingtip would work with a 18"x 6" wide
> base plate on which the MB antenna (Comant CI-102) would be mounted
> as close to the bottom of the wing tip as possible. This would give
> me a mounting plate as well as the "ground plane". I am not that
> knowledgeable in this area so any help is appreciated.
>
> I am essentially a VFR pilot but I wanted my plane certified as Day/
> Nite VFR/IFR so I have an SL30 Nav/Com and a Garmin 340 audio panel.
> My GPS is a Garmin 496. I figure that I saved about 6K on my panel
> over having a GNS430 plus on the 496 I get weather and Zaon
> traffic avoidance. Seems to me the best bang for the buck. My
> AFS3500 apparently displays the GS but not the MB.
> Any further comments appreciated.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183752#183752
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> Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: closed loop rudder |
Dave Leikam wrote:
> Interesting design.
>
> Have you considered the lever arm force on the tabs holding the
> extensions to the rudder cables when the rudder hits the stops or just
> the repeated forward and back pressures from the rudder in flight.
Yes I did. Don't have the figures handy ..... they're lost in my office
clutter :-P .... but the tensile strength was way up there past what we
can press on them. The tube has the thickest wall I could find that
didn't compromise the tab.
> Could a small amount of continued flexing eventually break the tabs?
I don't think so ..... the original tab has an offset bend in it that
doesn't straighten out ..... as best I can determine.
> The force on the tabs is now torque rather than tension. Just my
> humble observation.
Good point though! Thanks for the note.
Linn
>
> Dave Leikam
> #40496 N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
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A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not wire it up
for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining it is passing
the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC approach. The MB is
an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it may be superfluous
in the age of GPS overlay.
The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would have to actually
install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> May be a wrong question but why is anyone thinking of installing a MB
> receiver. Any IFR GPS/EFIS identifies passing the OM. When over the final
> approach fix which is co=located with a MB, the OM flashes on the EFIS. Same
> question for ADF except for perhaps outside the USA. Here ADFs/NDBs and MB
> seem to be last century's technology.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:03 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>
> --> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>
> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple
> quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work
> well.
>
> A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make it
> with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For
> this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal
> strip over a single wire.
>
> The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead
> BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl
> antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using
> another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the
> connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you
> have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then
> remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC
> connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the
> wire so the total length is 37 1/2".
>
> If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far
> from the wing rib as possible.
>
> Carl Froehlich
> RV-8A (400 hrs)
> RV-10 (flaps)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>
>
> Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip.
> Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception.
> Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer.
> Appreciate any comments.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin
> top/door purgatory
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725
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| Subject: | Re: GA airports for Chicago - Add on Detroit (Red Bull) |
Sorry for the late reply...midway does have GA facilities as does Gary, IN
just south and east of downtown
Chicago...Gary is GA friendly it seems and closer to downtown than DuPage if
that's were you're headed
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I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker beacons and NDB's.
Is that not correct?
David Maib
40559
buried in fiberglass dust
On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
>A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not wire it up
for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining it is passing
the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC approach. The MB
is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it may be superfluous
in the age of GPS overlay.
>
>The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would have to actually
install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
>
>William
>http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>>
>> May be a wrong question but why is anyone thinking of installing a MB
>> receiver. Any IFR GPS/EFIS identifies passing the OM. When over the final
>> approach fix which is co=located with a MB, the OM flashes on the EFIS. Same
>> question for ADF except for perhaps outside the USA. Here ADFs/NDBs and MB
>> seem to be last century's technology.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:03 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>>
>> --> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
>>
>> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple
>> quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work
>> well.
>>
>> A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make it
>> with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For
>> this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal
>> strip over a single wire.
>>
>> The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead
>> BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl
>> antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using
>> another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the
>> connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you
>> have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then
>> remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC
>> connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the
>> wire so the total length is 37 1/2".
>>
>> If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far
>> from the wing rib as possible.
>>
>> Carl Froehlich
>> RV-8A (400 hrs)
>> RV-10 (flaps)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
>> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>>
>>
>> Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip.
>> Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception.
>> Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer.
>> Appreciate any comments.
>>
>> --------
>> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin
>> top/door purgatory
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725
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I'll have to check but I believe the substitution is only allowed for NBD and
DME not MB--but again this is splitting hairs.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker beacons and
NDB's. Is that not correct?
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> buried in fiberglass dust
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
> >
> >A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not wire it
up for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining it is passing
the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC approach. The MB
is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it may be superfluous
in the age of GPS overlay.
> >
> >The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would have to actually
install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
> >
> >William
> >http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >>
> >> May be a wrong question but why is anyone thinking of installing a MB
> >> receiver. Any IFR GPS/EFIS identifies passing the OM. When over the final
> >> approach fix which is co=located with a MB, the OM flashes on the EFIS. Same
> >> question for ADF except for perhaps outside the USA. Here ADFs/NDBs and MB
> >> seem to be last century's technology.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:03 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
> >>
> >> --> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
> >>
> >> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A simple
> >> quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl should work
> >> well.
> >>
> >> A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If you make
it
> >> with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly shorter. For
> >> this single frequency application there are no advantages to a wide metal
> >> strip over a single wire.
> >>
> >> The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female bulkhead
> >> BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl
> >> antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna wire using
> >> another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the
> >> connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire. If you
> >> have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to it, then
> >> remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC
> >> connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the
> >> wire so the total length is 37 1/2".
> >>
> >> If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring and as far
> >> from the wing rib as possible.
> >>
> >> Carl Froehlich
> >> RV-8A (400 hrs)
> >> RV-10 (flaps)
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
> >>
> >>
> >> Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip.
> >> Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception.
> >> Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer.
> >> Appreciate any comments.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin
> >> top/door purgatory
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725
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If you are equipped to fly ILS/LOC approaches, and you intend to fly such
when you can, that is, when you feel that is your best or only option, then
put the MB in. In some cases it may be your only option. Should you lose
that GPS, you're all set. Easy enough to do, sounds like.
John J
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
I'll have to check but I believe the substitution is only allowed for NBD
and DME not MB--but again this is splitting hairs.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker beacons
and NDB's. Is that not correct?
>
> David Maib
> 40559
> buried in fiberglass dust
>
> On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
wrote:
> >--> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >
> >A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not wire
it up for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining it is
passing the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC approach.
The MB is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it may
be superfluous in the age of GPS overlay.
> >
> >The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would have to
actually install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
> >
> >William
> >http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
> >
> >-------- Original Message --------
> >>
> >> May be a wrong question but why is anyone thinking of installing a
> >> MB receiver. Any IFR GPS/EFIS identifies passing the OM. When over
> >> the final approach fix which is co=located with a MB, the OM
> >> flashes on the EFIS. Same question for ADF except for perhaps
> >> outside the USA. Here ADFs/NDBs and MB seem to be last century's
technology.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
> >> Froehlich
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 5:03 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
> >>
> >> --> <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
> >>
> >> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A
> >> simple quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the
> >> cowl should work well.
> >>
> >> A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If
> >> you make it with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up
> >> slightly shorter. For this single frequency application there are
> >> no advantages to a wide metal strip over a single wire.
> >>
> >> The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female
> >> bulkhead BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or
> >> firewall (cowl antenna). From this you can make the connection to
> >> the antenna wire using another male BNC connector. Leave some
> >> slack so you can remove the connector and hot glue or glass in the
> >> rest of the antenna wire. If you have an old piece of coax laying
> >> around you can fit a male BNC to it, then remove the outer jacket
> >> and shield wire from about a half inch from the BNC connector,
> >> leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on), cut the wire so
the total length is 37 1/2".
> >>
> >> If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring
> >> and as far from the wing rib as possible.
> >>
> >> Carl Froehlich
> >> RV-8A (400 hrs)
> >> RV-10 (flaps)
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
> >> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:46 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
> >>
> >>
> >> Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip.
> >> Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception.
> >> Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no
brainer.
> >> Appreciate any comments.
> >>
> >> --------
> >> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited
> >> cabin top/door purgatory
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon |
Bill
Any theoretical reason why the top vs the bottom of the wingtip? When
I took my EAA class about year and half ago, they showed the
installation in the bottom half of the wingtip?
Fred.
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> We have two RV-10's using the same scheme as Carl wrote and it works
> well. There is a lot of power coming up from the ground so a simple
> wire is sufficient. If you plan to install a Bob Archer wingtip
> antenna today or add a backup NAV antenna in the future suggest you
> glass in the wire antenna on the upper side of the wingtip. If you
> glass it on the bottom the Bob Archer antenna will not work properly.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
> */Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>/* wrote:
>
>
> The Marker Beacon radiates straight up at relatively high power. A
> simple
> quarter wavelength of wire in the wingtip or bottom of the cowl
> should work
> well.
>
> A quarter wave antenna at 75Mhz should be about 37.4 inches. If
> you make it
> with a fat wire or wide metal strip it would end up slightly
> shorter. For
> this single frequency application there are no advantages to a
> wide metal
> strip over a single wire.
>
> The simplest thing to do is to run a coax line to a double female
> bulkhead
> BNC connector on the end wing rib (wingtip antenna) or firewall (cowl
> antenna). From this you can make the connection to the antenna
> wire using
> another male BNC connector. Leave some slack so you can remove the
> connector and hot glue or glass in the rest of the antenna wire.
> If you
> have an old piece of coax laying around you can fit a male BNC to
> it, then
> remove the outer jacket and shield wire from about a half inch
> from the BNC
> connector, leave the center wire as is (with the insulation on),
> cut the
> wire so the total length is 37 1/2".
>
> If mounting in the wing tip try to keep it away from other wiring
> and as far
> from the wing rib as possible.
>
> Carl
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon |
Just glassed mine in the wingtip, works great!
Sam
---- AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
============
Looking for some guidance about putting the MB antenna in the wing tip.
Has anyone done this and how are the results as far as reception.
Since it is basically looking down this would appear to be a no brainer.
Appreciate any comments.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183725#183725
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Is anybody on the list in Oklahoma City? I'm in town this evening and
tomorrow morning and would love to see any projects or meet with
anybody in the area. Feel free to call on my cell number below.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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Is anybody on the list in Oklahoma City? I'm in town this evening and
tomorrow morning and would love to see any projects or meet with
anybody in the area. Feel free to call on my cell number below.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon |
Marker beacons have been on the phase out plan by the FAA for some time.
I've been surprised a few times when a beacon actually sounded off, but
it has been awhile. No middle marker that I know of is required for an
ILS anymore as DH is used instead, and very few use outer markers
anymore, and those are usually named, published fixes in GPS databases.
Otherwise have approach control give you a radar fix for the FAF.
John Jessen wrote:
>
> If you are equipped to fly ILS/LOC approaches, and you intend to fly such
> when you can, that is, when you feel that is your best or only option, then
> put the MB in. In some cases it may be your only option. Should you lose
> that GPS, you're all set. Easy enough to do, sounds like.
>
> John J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Curtis
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>
>
> I'll have to check but I believe the substitution is only allowed for NBD
> and DME not MB--but again this is splitting hairs.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>>
>> I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker beacons
>>
> and NDB's. Is that not correct?
>
>> David Maib
>> 40559
>> buried in fiberglass dust
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>
> wrote:
>
>>> --> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>>
>>> A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not wire
>>>
> it up for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining it is
> passing the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC approach.
> The MB is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it may
> be superfluous in the age of GPS overlay.
>
>>> The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would have to
>>>
> actually install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
>
>>> William
>>> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>> -
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True enough. But they do exist and are useful, even as verification, until
totally eliminated. Brings up a point about going with the SL40 vs the
SL30. I'd go with the 30 simply because it gives you the VOR's as a useful
tool. Some say not to since they, too, are supposedly on the way out. Just
depends on how many revs back you want to go. You have to know how to fly
and utilize what's in your panel.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
Marker beacons have been on the phase out plan by the FAA for some time.
I've been surprised a few times when a beacon actually sounded off, but it
has been awhile. No middle marker that I know of is required for an ILS
anymore as DH is used instead, and very few use outer markers anymore, and
those are usually named, published fixes in GPS databases.
Otherwise have approach control give you a radar fix for the FAF.
John Jessen wrote:
>
> If you are equipped to fly ILS/LOC approaches, and you intend to fly
> such when you can, that is, when you feel that is your best or only
> option, then put the MB in. In some cases it may be your only option.
> Should you lose that GPS, you're all set. Easy enough to do, sounds like.
>
> John J
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> Curtis
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:49 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>
>
> I'll have to check but I believe the substitution is only allowed for
> NBD and DME not MB--but again this is splitting hairs.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
>>
>> I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker
>> beacons
>>
> and NDB's. Is that not correct?
>
>> David Maib
>> 40559
>> buried in fiberglass dust
>>
>> On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis"
>> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>
> wrote:
>
>>> --> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>>>
>>> A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not
>>> wire
>>>
> it up for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining
> it is passing the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC
approach.
> The MB is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it
> may be superfluous in the age of GPS overlay.
>
>>> The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would
>>> have to
>>>
> actually install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
>
>>> William
>>> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>>> -
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| Subject: | Re: Marker Beacon |
No disagreement, since I still have working ADF, MB and Loran in my current
panel. Don't think I will move any of them to new panel when I get there,
but probably a couple years off to decide.
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:05 PM, John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> True enough. But they do exist and are useful, even as verification, until
> totally eliminated. Brings up a point about going with the SL40 vs the
> SL30. I'd go with the 30 simply because it gives you the VOR's as a useful
> tool. Some say not to since they, too, are supposedly on the way out.
> Just
> depends on how many revs back you want to go. You have to know how to fly
> and utilize what's in your panel.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 5:06 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
>
>
> Marker beacons have been on the phase out plan by the FAA for some time.
> I've been surprised a few times when a beacon actually sounded off, but it
> has been awhile. No middle marker that I know of is required for an ILS
> anymore as DH is used instead, and very few use outer markers anymore, and
> those are usually named, published fixes in GPS databases.
> Otherwise have approach control give you a radar fix for the FAF.
>
> John Jessen wrote:
> >
> > If you are equipped to fly ILS/LOC approaches, and you intend to fly
> > such when you can, that is, when you feel that is your best or only
> > option, then put the MB in. In some cases it may be your only option.
> > Should you lose that GPS, you're all set. Easy enough to do, sounds
> like.
> >
> > John J
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Curtis
> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 9:49 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Marker Beacon
> >
> >
> > I'll have to check but I believe the substitution is only allowed for
> > NBD and DME not MB--but again this is splitting hairs.
> >
> > William
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> >
> >>
> >> I thought that an IFR approved GPS could legally identify marker
> >> beacons
> >>
> > and NDB's. Is that not correct?
> >
> >> David Maib
> >> 40559
> >> buried in fiberglass dust
> >>
> >> On Monday, May 19, 2008, at 09:02AM, "William Curtis"
> >> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>> --> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> >>>
> >>> A Marker Beacon receiver is included in most audio panels so why not
> >>> wire
> >>>
> > it up for the pure ILS/LOC approaches. How is that EFIS determining
> > it is passing the OM--by GPS position? Not exactly legal for an ILS/LOC
> approach.
> > The MB is an integral component of an ILS/LOC approach--even though it
> > may be superfluous in the age of GPS overlay.
> >
> >>> The comparison to an ADF is not valid since for an ADF you would
> >>> have to
> >>>
> > actually install an additional component--in addition to the antenna.
> >
> >>> William
> >>> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original Message --------
> >>>
> >>>> -
>
>
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Probably got myself in over my head, but I had dual lightspeeds installed on my
IO540 from Performance Engines.... has anyone else gone through the process of
hooking up the coils and tach's? I've got an AF3500 with a backup std Van's
tach.
The leads coming from the black boxes are labeled A, B and C, one box on each
side.... is there an easy way of figuring which wires go to which coils?
Don McDonald
Finishing #40636
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| Subject: | Re: Dual LIghtspeed |
I've got dual LSEs on my engine also. There is a procedure in the install manual for connecting the coils and figuring out what gets hooked to what. http://www.lightspeedengineering.com/Manuals/Ignition.htm
As you noted, the controller box has outputs labeled "A", "B" and "C". As I recall,
the procedure is to connect the coils to the boxes with the plug wires disconnected
and then rotate the prop (or a magnet) to make sure the coils fire
at the appropriate time. It fires opposing cylinders at the same time and you'll
get a spark at 0, 120 and 240 degrees of rotation. Make sure when you rotate
the prop (or run the magnet past the sensors) that you're going in the correct
direction.
I THINK that the correct hookup for my Plasma IIIs was "A" firing the coil for
cylinders 1/2, "C" firing the coil for cylinders 3/4 and "B" firing the coil for
cylinders 5/6.
Bob
N442PM (#40105) flying
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