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1. 05:21 AM - Re: Yaw damper (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Kelly McMullen)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: Elevators (Mike Doble (Home Office))
3. 08:44 AM - Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? (AirMike)
4. 09:13 AM - Re: Ground Power Unit / Auxiliary Power Unit (Jack Sargeant)
5. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Yaw damper (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) (Tim Olson)
6. 10:38 AM - Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? (jim berry)
7. 11:30 AM - Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? (Gail Rowe)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Elevators (Dave Leikam)
9. 03:33 PM - Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? (John Testement)
10. 03:34 PM - Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? (Carl Froehlich)
11. 05:54 PM - Re: Rudder Peddle Position (tomhanaway)
12. 06:31 PM - Re: Elevators (Dave Leikam)
13. 07:03 PM - Re: Elevators (Mike Doble (Home Office))
14. 11:54 PM - Re: Ground Power Unit / Auxiliary Power Unit (Robin Marks)
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| Subject: | Re: Yaw damper (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
Not to resurect the old thread, but has anyone considered, or known of
an available yaw damper system that would work on an RV-10? Perhaps it
isn't needed, but it seems to me that folks with airsickness tendency
are most sensitive to yaw.
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Sam <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
> Let's see the pic!
>
> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>
> Albert-
> That is a very clean and foolproof installation.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
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Lew/Bill - Thanks for the reassurance. I'm drilling it and moving on.
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Mike "Keep Reminding Myself It's NOT a Swiss Watch" Doble (Thanks Lew - I
like that!)
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....Still
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MauleDriver
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevators
Well, I can see I answered the wrong question in another post. Yes my horns
were uneven too in seemingly all directions. So much so, I found it
difficult to maintain the prop edge clearance on one or the other.
I obsessed so much about it that with the help of my Tech Counseler, we
re-engineered it a bit so it looked like his Pitts.
Bill "finding a boxed up YIO-540 makes a fine door sanding bench" Watson
Mike Doble (Home Office) wrote:
When in trail position the horns are both vertical and lined up fairly well.
I'm talking about the horizontal alignment. If you look from the back with
the elevators in trail, the bottom of the horns are uneven by 3/16". I
guess it really should not matter too much as long as they're drilled
accurately. I'm really anal about things like this..ugh! Unless someone
thinks otherwise, I'll move on and live with it.
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| Subject: | Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? |
Taking a look at my engine baffles and the potential heat that the baffling endues,
I am curious to see what others are doing........
I have some 2-part epoxy, but I am worried about discoloration and odor especially
during initial flight testing.
Alodine seems to be a good solution (no pun intended) as it should be odorless
when hot. There was a short post last Sept. but an update would be appreciated
!
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Ground Power Unit / Auxiliary Power Unit |
Robin,
Take it from an old electronics guy (short on airplane experience, but lots
of automotive) the statement that the battery charger output is not
"conditioned" is correct. -- But, the battery itself acts as a very good
filter for the spikes and sags from the charger. the likelihood of damaging
your avionics is very small. I would not hesitate to operate it that way.
Jack & Cecilia Sargeant
1127 Patricia St.
Wichita, KS 67208-2642
316/683-5268
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Ground Power Unit / Auxiliary Power Unit
I am approaching the point where I will need to have my glass
panel fully operational for hours on end while sitting in my hangar. I
was told that hooking up a battery charger to my battery while running
the avionics is a BAD idea as the electrical current out of the charger
is not "conditioned" and the power spikes could damage my avionics.
Whoops... Seems to me that for the price of a mid-sized luxury car made
in Stuttgart there would be an inline electrical conditioner as part of
the avionics suite.
Back to my question. I have placed several 12V cigarette
adapters including one in the baggage area plumbed direct to my primary
battery - hot all the time. What is the best way to continually provide
"safe" power to my battery to support my avionics for extended use on
the ground?
Thanks,
Robin
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 425 Hours
RV-10 Avionics Up & Running (Draining)
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| Subject: | Re: Yaw damper (was Rudder Trim - Spring Bias) |
TruTrak makes one that works with some autopilots and can be
used on the -10.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Not to resurect the old thread, but has anyone considered, or known of
> an available yaw damper system that would work on an RV-10? Perhaps it
> isn't needed, but it seems to me that folks with airsickness tendency
> are most sensitive to yaw.
>
> On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Sam <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
>> Let's see the pic!
>>
>> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>>
>> Albert-
>> That is a very clean and foolproof installation.
>>
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> N939SB, flying
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? |
I painted the baffles on my Pitts 25 years ago with Imron and they still look good
except for some minor discoloration next to the cylinder heads. Always had
to be careful about scratching them though.
A local shop anodized all the baffles for my -10 for $75. Really looks nice, and
I suspect they will be much more durable than paint.
Jim Berry
40482
N15JB(reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? |
I had my baffles powder coated by a local outfit. If I remember
correctly there were 9 pieces. Was able to match the "goldish" color
of the engine that came from Mattituck. Not yet flying (but getting
close) so I don't know how it will stand up to the heat but the
powder coaters assured me that their paint was "good" to 500 degrees.
We will see. Jay Rowe 40301 (finishing the wiring and interior).
On May 25, 2008, at 11:38 AM, AirMike wrote:
>
> Taking a look at my engine baffles and the potential heat that the
> baffling endues, I am curious to see what others are doing........
>
> I have some 2-part epoxy, but I am worried about discoloration and
> odor especially during initial flight testing.
>
> Alodine seems to be a good solution (no pun intended) as it should
> be odorless when hot. There was a short post last Sept. but an
> update would be appreciated !
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184747#184747
>
>
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Mike,
There is a "Gotcha" at this point. I am out of town in Door County,
but I can come by and take a look when I get back if you like. The
horns may be misaligned, but you have to be careful how you drill them.
Check the archives on this.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Doble (Home Office)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevators
Please help. I've attached the elevators to the horiz stab and
adjusted to have a roughly even gap at the trailing edge of the stab.
Height wise though there is a 3/16" difference between the left and
right elevator horns. Anyone else have this issue? Is there a fix or
is this a common misalignment? Just drill away and live with the
difference?
Thanks in advance.
Do not archive
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? |
I painted mine with the same paint they used on the engine - PPG Concept
DCC. Alodined and primed with PPG DPLF primer. The baffles and engine match-
looks good.
John Testement
jwt@roadmapscoaching.com
40321
Richmond, VA
Painting and final assembly
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ?
Taking a look at my engine baffles and the potential heat that the baffling
endues, I am curious to see what others are doing........
I have some 2-part epoxy, but I am worried about discoloration and odor
especially during initial flight testing.
Alodine seems to be a good solution (no pun intended) as it should be
odorless when hot. There was a short post last Sept. but an update would be
appreciated !
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin
top/door purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184747#184747
Checked by AVG.
6:49 PM
Checked by AVG.
6:49 PM
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| Subject: | Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ? |
I used Imron on my RV-8A. 400 hrs and it still looks like it was just
painted. I'll probably use PPG Concept (single stage) on the RV-10 as I
have found it to be an easier product to use.
Carl Froehlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:39 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Engine Baffles - Paint/Alodine ?
Taking a look at my engine baffles and the potential heat that the baffling
endues, I am curious to see what others are doing........
I have some 2-part epoxy, but I am worried about discoloration and odor
especially during initial flight testing.
Alodine seems to be a good solution (no pun intended) as it should be
odorless when hot. There was a short post last Sept. but an update would be
appreciated !
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184747#184747
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Peddle Position |
One other question along this line. Is the forward position (closer to firewall)
position of the rudder bracket for taller people or shorter?
I'm learning not to assume the obvious. For example, having the rudder bracket
aft would put the pilot's body and head further back in the cockpit and thus
more headroom for the taller person.
Or is it the obvious, shorter people set rudder bracket in rearmost positon.
I'm 5'10" and will probably be ok with either and prefer to keep my C.G. forward.
However, my wife is 5' 4" and plans to fly the plane also.
Thanks,
Tom H.
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I couldn't remember the gotcha but now I do. My horns where different
lengths as well.
When looking at the horns from behind, make sure to measure and drill
from the shorter side into the longer side. I got lucky with this but I
know at least one other builder had a problem here. If you measure and
drill from the longer side, you may not have sufficient material under
the hole on the short side.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Leikam
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevators
Mike,
There is a "Gotcha" at this point. I am out of town in Door County,
but I can come by and take a look when I get back if you like. The
horns may be misaligned, but you have to be careful how you drill them.
Check the archives on this.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Doble (Home Office)
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevators
Please help. I've attached the elevators to the horiz stab and
adjusted to have a roughly even gap at the trailing edge of the stab.
Height wise though there is a 3/16" difference between the left and
right elevator horns. Anyone else have this issue? Is there a fix or
is this a common misalignment? Just drill away and live with the
difference?
Thanks in advance.
Do not archive
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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Thanks Dave. I drilled them today. Here=92s what happened. The aft
horn by
chance (per plans, drill the aft one first) was the long one. Ugh!!!
Fortunately, the horns were only about 3/16=94 different in length so I
still
have 1/8=94 in edge distance on the short one. I wish I had seen your
post
earlier today. I would have drilled the short one into the long one.
Disappointing but not the end of the world. It=92ll work. I checked my
trusty Aircraft Handbook and the edge distance needs to be =BD or more
of the
fastener diameter.
I=92ll have to keep an eye on it. As far as one being aft of the other,
it
was only by about 1/16th. So I could have drilled the forward one and I
would have a much better edge distance for the hole. Oh well. When I
build
my second or third RV it=92ll be more like a Swiss watch=85.Those Saint
RV=92s
must be pretty nice!
Thanks for the tip. This should really be archived. I didn=92t search,
maybe
it is.
Mike (It really isn=92t a Swiss watch) Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....but almost done!!! Yippeeee
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevators
I couldn't remember the gotcha but now I do. My horns where different
lengths as well.
When looking at the horns from behind, make sure to measure and drill
from
the shorter side into the longer side. I got lucky with this but I know
at
least one other builder had a problem here. If you measure and drill
from
the longer side, you may not have sufficient material under the hole on
the
short side.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Leikam <mailto:daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevators
Mike,
There is a "Gotcha" at this point. I am out of town in Door County,
but I
can come by and take a look when I get back if you like. The horns may
be
misaligned, but you have to be careful how you drill them. Check the
archives on this.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Doble (Home Office) <mailto:mikedoble@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Elevators
Please help. I=92ve attached the elevators to the horiz stab and
adjusted to
have a roughly even gap at the trailing edge of the stab. Height wise
though there is a 3/16=94 difference between the left and right elevator
horns. Anyone else have this issue? Is there a fix or is this a common
misalignment? Just drill away and live with the difference?
Thanks in advance.
Mike Doble
Builder 40691
Working on my tail.....
Waukesha, Wisconsin
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| Subject: | Ground Power Unit / Auxiliary Power Unit |
Jack,
That was my thinking exactly however a $130.00 power supply was
cheap insurance against the potential claims that I voided any
manufacturer warranty. The panel was too expensive & I am too close to
first flight to get stuck in a pissing match with a manufacturer where I
am the one with the most to lose if something electronic were
nonfunctional regardless of the cause. It's really about all the $ tied
up in the panel at this point.
Thanks for your note,
Robin
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