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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Bob Leffler)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 06:22 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Sam Marlow)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Tim Olson)
5. 06:44 AM - Re: Memorial Day (pascal)
6. 06:55 AM - Re: Memorial Day (bcondrey)
7. 07:13 AM - Seat track pin (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
8. 07:37 AM - Re: Seat track pin ()
9. 08:14 AM - Re: Seat track pin (Doerr, Ray R [NTK])
10. 08:19 AM - Re: Elevators (Lenny Iszak)
11. 08:26 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Vernon Smith)
12. 08:35 AM - Re: Cabin Cover (Scott Schmidt)
13. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Tim Olson)
14. 08:53 AM - Re: WEST COAST TRIP (pilotdds@aol.com)
15. 09:17 AM - Re: Seat track pin (linn Walters)
16. 09:23 AM - Re: Memorial Day (John Cox)
17. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (pascal)
18. 09:48 AM - Re: Seat track pin (Jesse Saint)
19. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Chad E. Carlson)
20. 10:20 AM - Re: Seat track pin (David Maib)
21. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rick Sked)
22. 10:36 AM - Re: Seat track pin (ddddsp1@juno.com)
23. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rene Felker)
24. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rene Felker)
25. 10:48 AM - Re: ECI MSD No.08-1 (Patrick Thyssen)
26. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (pascal)
27. 11:09 AM - Re: Seat track pin (dfletourneau@comcast.net)
28. 11:09 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (pascal)
29. 11:51 AM - Re: Seat track pin (David McNeill)
30. 12:06 PM - Re: Seat track pin (linn Walters)
31. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rick Sked)
32. 05:04 PM - Re: Memorial Day (Lew Gallagher)
33. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Elevators (MauleDriver)
34. 06:58 PM - Re: Elevators (Lenny Iszak)
35. 07:01 PM - Re: WEST COAST TRIP (Doug Preston)
36. 08:05 PM - Re: Re: Elevators (pascal)
37. 09:04 PM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rick Sked)
38. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: Elevators (Rick Sked)
39. 09:32 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
40. 09:40 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
41. 11:03 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (John Jessen)
42. 11:41 PM - Re: Seat track pin (Albert Gardner)
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Bruce will use trim colors to match your paint. My trim is red and blue.
Total trim space is less than a couple square feet, so it's not really a
large area. Most of the cover is a natural tan color. He has good pictures
on his web site. It's been on the ramp for almost four years, so I'm not
disappointed that the colors are now just starting to fade. I am happy with
the purchase.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover
Which color do you have, and would you change colors if you had to do it
again?
Bob Leffler wrote:
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> I have Bruce's Covers on my Cherokee. They've been on the ramp going on 4
> years now. The colors just started fading this year, but they still work
> just find.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 1:36 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover
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> Has anyone purchased a cabin cover for their aircraft. I'm in the
> process of searching for a cabin cover, and cowl plugs, and I'm looking
> for feedback.
> Sam Marlow
> #40157
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Sam,
I purchased my cabin cover and cowl plugs from Bruce's Custom Covers and
I am very happy with the product. They put my N number on the cover and
cowl plugs.
They do very high quality work IMHO.
http://www.aircraftcovers.com/index.html
Wayne Edgerton 40336
N602WT
Time: 10:40:58 AM PST US
From: Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net>
Subject: Cabin Cover
Has anyone purchased a cabin cover for their aircraft. I'm in the
process of searching for a cabin cover, and cowl plugs, and I'm
looking
for feedback.
Sam Marlow
#40157
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Thanks for the info, very helpful.
Has anyone bought the Van's cover for the RV10, it's a lot less expensive?
Sam Marlow wrote:
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Marlow
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>> Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover
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For those who just want a lightweight cover for traveling,
not one for leaving it tied down for weeks and months,
Abby at Flightline Interiors http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/
has a good lightweight travel cover that fits in a small bag.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Sam Marlow wrote:
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> Thanks for the info, very helpful.
> Has anyone bought the Van's cover for the RV10, it's a lot less expensive?
>
> Sam Marlow wrote:
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>> Which color do you have, and would you change colors if you had to do
>> it again?
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Les, I served and have lost some members of my Army flight class
throughout the years while they served our country defending it. I
appreciate your thoughts and wish others wouldn't simply take the cost
of freedom for granted. It was earned, not given.. but some simply will
never understand that.
Thanks!
Pascal
From: Les Kearney
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Memorial Day
Hi
For those who have or are serving and especially those who have been
injured or killed, please accept my thanks for your service. Although I
am a Canadian, I appreciate the service of all in the coalition fighting
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Memorial Day has given more than a few outside
of America pause for thought about the cost of Freedom.
Lest we forget..
..Les
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Thanks Les, thoughts are appreciated.
Bob (former USAF)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185011#185011
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Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the seats?
I don't see how I'm going to be able to get my hand or a ratchet down in
there between seat and wall . . .
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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I used a 100# daughter-in-law with a very small hand to do the job, and it
worked quite well ( I didn't get a single scratch). I will rent her out at
a reasonable rate.
Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
RV-10 40486 Slow-build Eggenfellner E-6TI
Naperville, Illinois
Finishing kit, engine install
Do Not Archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seat track pin
Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the seats? I
don't see how I'm going to be able to get my hand or a ratchet down in there
between seat and wall . . .
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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I installed the bolt head in the tight area and the washer and nut is then
under the bottom cushion. Simply remove the Velcro on the bottom cushion a
nd use an open end wrench in the tight area on the bolt head and then a rat
chet on the nut end.
Thank You
Ray Doerr
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seat track pin
Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the seats? I d
on't see how I'm going to be able to get my hand or a ratchet down in there
between seat and wall . . .
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero<mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator horns by
the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the shorter one, just
like Mike described:(
Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of steel
from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind I could weld
it and redrill.
Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from doing the
same thing.
There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the elevators
and replacing the horns with new ones?
Regards,
Lenny
#40803
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
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Cleaveland Tool also sells a light cover. http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.co
m/prodinfo.asp?number=RVCC10
I have a sample of the fabric. Interesting stuff, it looks like a light wei
ght tent material. It's slick enough dirt and grit shouldn't get imbedded i
n it (this is what kills windows.) Water does not penetrate it but appears
to be very breathable. Also asked about long term storage outside and was t
old they have customers using the covers on RV stored outside for several y
ears and these customers are happy with the covers. This is the cover I'm p
lanning on starting with as my hanger is covered but open.
Vern Smith (#324 finishing)
> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 13:35:44 -0400> From: sam@fr8dog.net> To: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List: Cabin Cover> > --> RV10-List message p
osted by: Sam Marlow <sam@fr8dog.net>> > Has anyone purchased a cabin cover
for their aircraft. I'm in the > process of searching for a cabin cover, a
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I have both Bruce's cover and Abby' cover and I use Abby's cover 95% of the time.
Since I always keep my plane hangered I typically use a cover for overnighters.
Bruce's cover is heavy and very bulky but is much better if you were going to leave
your plane outside.
If it is just the two of us and I have plenty of room and useful load, I take Bruces.
But most of the time room is an issue and Abby's cover is so light and
easy that I always have it in the plane.
So if your mission is just overnight or weekends, Abby's may be the better way
to go.
It has a reflective (silver) outside to keep the cabin cool.
I also have Bruce's cowl plugs and they work great. You can get them customized
with your N-number as well.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:34:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cabin Cover
For those who just want a lightweight cover for traveling,
not one for leaving it tied down for weeks and months,
Abby at Flightline Interiors http://www.flightlineinteriors.com/
has a good lightweight travel cover that fits in a small bag.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Sam Marlow wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info, very helpful.
> Has anyone bought the Van's cover for the RV10, it's a lot less expensive?
>
> Sam Marlow wrote:
>>
>> Which color do you have, and would you change colors if you had to do
>> it again?
>>
>>
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Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Lenny Iszak wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator horns
by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the shorter one,
just like Mike described:(
>
> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of steel
from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind I could
weld it and redrill.
>
> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from doing the
same thing.
>
> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the elevators
and replacing the horns with new ones?
>
> Regards,
> Lenny
> #40803
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>
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| Subject: | Re: WEST COAST TRIP |
I would love to host the group overnight at Lake Tahoe.We can accomadate 8 couples
and there are ample hotels in the area for overflow.My number is 209-610-6689.Aircraft
is 728DD.Home base is KSCK.-Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Preston <dougpflyrv@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 7:44 am
Subject: RV10-List: WEST COAST TRIP
ANSWERING MACHINE GLITCH.......WILL JIM FROM CA THAT CALLED ME LAST NITE PLEASE
CALL BACK OR DROP ME AN EMAIL. THE ANSWERING MACHINE FOULED UP AND I ONLY GOT
THESE NUMBERS 610-668.
WE PRESENTLY PLAN TO LEAVE ALABAMA ON AUG. 30TH TAKING THE SOUTHERN ROUTE (PLUS
SIDE STOPS OF INTEREST) TO CA AND UP THE WEST COAST TO VAN'S AND ON THE WA AND
RETURN THE NORTHERN ROUTE (PLUS SIDE STOPS) TO BE HOME BY SEPT. 14TH. WOULD
BE GREAT TO MEET FOLKS ALONG THE WAY AND HAVE U FLY SOME LEGS WITH US. ALSO APPRECIATE
SUGGESTIONS ON POINTS OF INTEREST, ROUTES,? AIRPORT RESTAURANTS, MOTELS,
AND ESPECIALLY ADVICE ON MOUNTAIN FLYING.
REGARDS,
DOUG PRESTON
RV-10
N372RV
BIRMINGHAM, AL
H-205-823-2955
C-205-873-2955
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Seat track pin |
Funny you should post while I am trying to find a way to 'fix' the seat
rail problem. I'm nowhere near needing to fit the seats, but I thought
I'd pull them out and see what they 'feel' like. First, I started
looking for the page where you bolt the middle rail support ..... well,
you know how that turned out!!!
Some things I didn't like about the seat rails ..... As you know, you
have to bolt the pin on AFTER you slide the seat in. My fix at the
moment is to leave the aft stop off. Countersink the bar with the slots
so the screws are flush.
The other thing I didn't like was the pin is supposed to be next to the
tunnel ...... and those flying might comment ..... and I think it's
almost a 1/2 gainer into the cabin to grab the handle and slide the seat
back. I think the pin should be next to the door so you can reach it
easily while on the wing.
That brought me to the next 'problem' ..... wouldn't it be better to
slide the seat further back so you could step in on the metal in front
of the seat instead of on the seat????
Is it a non-issue??
Linn
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Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>
> Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the
> seats? I don't see how I'm going to be able to get my hand or a
> ratchet down in there between seat and wall . . .
>
>
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
>
>
> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>
> tdt@aurora.aero <mailto:tdt@aurora.aero>
>
> 617-500-4812 (office)
>
> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Remember that fact when everyone votes in November. It was an honor to
serve this country in uniform. Military Command Leadership is no light
responsibility.
John Cox
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Memorial Day
Les, I served and have lost some members of my Army flight class
throughout the years while they served our country defending it. I
appreciate your thoughts and wish others wouldn't simply take the cost
of freedom for granted. It was earned, not given.. but some simply will
never understand that.
Thanks!
Pascal
From: Les Kearney <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Memorial Day
Hi
For those who have or are serving and especially those who have been
injured or killed, please accept my thanks for your service. Although I
am a Canadian, I appreciate the service of all in the coalition fighting
in Iraq and Afghanistan. Memorial Day has given more than a few outside
of America pause for thought about the cost of Freedom.
Lest we forget....
..Les
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic
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Following the instructions that tells one to find the most aft (11-3) and
drill a 3/16th hole 3/8 x 1/2 from the edges is not a screw up,. I did per
the plans and aligned everything fine. I have a 3/16 span from the hole to
the edge and it will be just fine in regards to strength- IMO. I'm not
worried and I assure you many before us followed the instructions as well
and they are doing just fine.
certainly make a change to the plans as a Gotcha and drill another way, no
harm but in my book I'll stick to the plans and know that Van's has this as
an acceptable building standard.
BTW- wait until you get to the fusellage, there will be 70% staring at the
plans looking ahead;10% trying to figure out if you're doing it right and
10% doing it.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>
> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind
> I could weld it and redrill.
>
> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
> doing the same thing.
>
> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>
> Regards,
> Lenny
> #40803
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat track pin |
I always put the pin on the outside by the door for the very reason
you mention and because the center armrest/console doesn't allow much
room by the tunnel. Also, with the seat all the way back, you can put
your foot on the metal in front of the seat. Your whole foot won't
fit, but your heal will, and that's what matters. It makes it a lot
easier to get in and out, especially if you put a little piece of wing
walk material there for grip. I don't think I'd want to be able to
move the seat much further back, and certainly wouldn't want to take
the back stop off or the seat would end of sliding all the way back
and coming off the rails when a newbie is getting in.
Just my $.02
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 27, 2008, at 11:58 AM, linn Walters wrote:
> Funny you should post while I am trying to find a way to 'fix' the
> seat rail problem. I'm nowhere near needing to fit the seats, but I
> thought I'd pull them out and see what they 'feel' like. First, I
> started looking for the page where you bolt the middle rail
> support ..... well, you know how that turned out!!!
>
> Some things I didn't like about the seat rails ..... As you know,
> you have to bolt the pin on AFTER you slide the seat in. My fix at
> the moment is to leave the aft stop off. Countersink the bar with
> the slots so the screws are flush.
>
> The other thing I didn't like was the pin is supposed to be next to
> the tunnel ...... and those flying might comment ..... and I think
> it's almost a 1/2 gainer into the cabin to grab the handle and slide
> the seat back. I think the pin should be next to the door so you
> can reach it easily while on the wing.
>
> That brought me to the next 'problem' ..... wouldn't it be better to
> slide the seat further back so you could step in on the metal in
> front of the seat instead of on the seat????
>
> Is it a non-issue??
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>
>> Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the
>> seats? I don=92t see how I=92m going to be able to get my hand or a
>> ratchet down in there between seat and wall . . .
>>
>> TDT
>> 40025
>>
>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>> tdt@aurora.aero
>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics
.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>>
>
>
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Hi All,
As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building notes
(thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would be
willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
workaround.
At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a set
until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from a
flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the elevator
horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
understand the problem??
Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
me@chadcarlson.com
www.chadcarlson.com
"Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
lost."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>
>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>
>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind
>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>
>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>> doing the same thing.
>>
>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lenny
>> #40803
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat track pin |
The plans call for the pin to be on the outside. I think they might say somewhere
that you can put them on the inside if you desire, but that does not look
like the optimal place to me.
BTW, I just installed Greg Hale's seat adjustment levers and am really pleased with them. Nice workmanship and an easy install that makes a very nice improvement over the Van's knuckle scrapers. You can see them at Greg's web site. http://www.nwacaptain.com/
David Maib
40559
do not archive
On Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 11:56AM, "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com> wrote:
>I always put the pin on the outside by the door for the very reason
>you mention and because the center armrest/console doesn't allow much
>room by the tunnel. Also, with the seat all the way back, you can put
>your foot on the metal in front of the seat. Your whole foot won't
>fit, but your heal will, and that's what matters. It makes it a lot
>easier to get in and out, especially if you put a little piece of wing
>walk material there for grip. I don't think I'd want to be able to
>move the seat much further back, and certainly wouldn't want to take
>the back stop off or the seat would end of sliding all the way back
>and coming off the rails when a newbie is getting in.
>
>Just my $.02
>
>do not archive
>
>Jesse Saint
>Saint Aviation, Inc.
>jesse@saintaviation.com
>Cell: 352-427-0285
>Fax: 815-377-3694
>
>On May 27, 2008, at 11:58 AM, linn Walters wrote:
>
>> Funny you should post while I am trying to find a way to 'fix' the
>> seat rail problem. I'm nowhere near needing to fit the seats, but I
>> thought I'd pull them out and see what they 'feel' like. First, I
>> started looking for the page where you bolt the middle rail
>> support ..... well, you know how that turned out!!!
>>
>> Some things I didn't like about the seat rails ..... As you know,
>> you have to bolt the pin on AFTER you slide the seat in. My fix at
>> the moment is to leave the aft stop off. Countersink the bar with
>> the slots so the screws are flush.
>>
>> The other thing I didn't like was the pin is supposed to be next to
>> the tunnel ...... and those flying might comment ..... and I think
>> it's almost a 1/2 gainer into the cabin to grab the handle and slide
>> the seat back. I think the pin should be next to the door so you
>> can reach it easily while on the wing.
>>
>> That brought me to the next 'problem' ..... wouldn't it be better to
>> slide the seat further back so you could step in on the metal in
>> front of the seat instead of on the seat????
>>
>> Is it a non-issue??
>> Linn
>> do not archive
>>
>> Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>>
>>> Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the
>>> seats? I don?t see how I?m going to be able to get my hand or a
>>> ratchet down in there between seat and wall . . .
>>>
>>> TDT
>>> 40025
>>>
>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Chad,
The parts in question are welded steel and very similar to R/C horns except they
attach to the face of the elevator spar and rib. The "gotcha" if it exists is
based, on where to drill the hole between the two horns. You center the elevators
then drill a hole through each horn to make your pushrod attach point. Use
the link below to see the horns. Tim has "discussion plans" on his site and
you can get a good idea of what folks are talking about. And for all you guys
plugging away on the elevators and scratching your head....it get's much easier...HA!!!!
HA!!!! HA!!!!....Wait till you bend your fifth trim tab!!!
http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec09-pg07.html
Rick Sked...How long does the last 5% take???
If one more neighbor asks me how much longer I'm gonna scream!!
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad E. Carlson" <me@chadcarlson.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:09:13 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Hi All,
As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building notes
(thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would be
willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
workaround.
At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a set
until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from a
flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the elevator
horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
understand the problem??
Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
me@chadcarlson.com
www.chadcarlson.com
"Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
lost."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>
>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>
>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind
>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>
>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>> doing the same thing.
>>
>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lenny
>> #40803
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Seat track pin |
Two tips on the Seat track pins................#1 Put nut plates on t
he bracket and then ratchet the bolts in from the seat out. #2 Weld o
n a 2 1/2" extension to the T handle so it is easier to grap. Otherwise
you will be FISHING your hand deep down along the outer seat to find th
e T handle whne adjusting your seat position.
Dean
805HL 200 hours
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Let me try this, it has been a while since I did it..years....and I am not a
watch maker...
The horns have a relative position to each other based on the construction
of the elevators and their mounting and alignment. Even if the horns we
made perfectly, the construction and mounting of the individual elevators
will affect their end position in 3-d space.
Does that help any?
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chad E. Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Hi All,
As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building notes
(thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would be
willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
workaround.
At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a set
until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from a
flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the elevator
horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
understand the problem??
Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
me@chadcarlson.com
www.chadcarlson.com
"Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
lost."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>
>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>
>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind
>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>
>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>> doing the same thing.
>>
>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lenny
>> #40803
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>
>
>
>
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My last 10% took about 40% of the total build time........and I am not done yet,
wheel fairings go to the painter in the next week or so.....
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Chad,
The parts in question are welded steel and very similar to R/C horns except they
attach to the face of the elevator spar and rib. The "gotcha" if it exists is
based, on where to drill the hole between the two horns. You center the elevators
then drill a hole through each horn to make your pushrod attach point. Use
the link below to see the horns. Tim has "discussion plans" on his site and
you can get a good idea of what folks are talking about. And for all you guys
plugging away on the elevators and scratching your head....it get's much easier...HA!!!!
HA!!!! HA!!!!....Wait till you bend your fifth trim tab!!!
http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec09-pg07.html
Rick Sked...How long does the last 5% take???
If one more neighbor asks me how much longer I'm gonna scream!!
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad E. Carlson" <me@chadcarlson.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:09:13 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Hi All,
As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building notes
(thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would be
willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
workaround.
At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a set
until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from a
flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the elevator
horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
understand the problem??
Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
me@chadcarlson.com
www.chadcarlson.com
"Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
lost."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>
>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>
>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind
>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>
>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>> doing the same thing.
>>
>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lenny
>> #40803
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ECI MSD No.08-1 |
Just a note. I talked to ECI This morning. I had a engine OVH by Western Skyways
and the only time on the engine is the test cell time. I do not plan on flying
with these cyl since they have had 30+ failures. Not that many They say. I
was told for $3,000 I could get a new set for my engine. This with only 1.5 hrs.
I still have to take it to another test cell and run before I would put back
on my RV10.
I've used Titan before and got them for my customers and thats why I got them
this time but I tell you this really stinks.
Waiting on Western Skyways to call me back.
Patrick Thyssen
Pulling engine off
Sam <sam@fr8dog.net> wrote:
Lady's and gentleman, check this MSB from ECI before you fly! I think
I'm going to be sick!
Sam
http://www.eci2fly.com/pdf/08-1.pdf
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Although a good reference I think this is the step in question where one
actually drills the elevator
http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec11-pg03.html
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Chad,
>
> The parts in question are welded steel and very similar to R/C horns
> except they attach to the face of the elevator spar and rib. The "gotcha"
> if it exists is based, on where to drill the hole between the two horns.
> You center the elevators then drill a hole through each horn to make your
> pushrod attach point. Use the link below to see the horns. Tim has
> "discussion plans" on his site and you can get a good idea of what folks
> are talking about. And for all you guys plugging away on the elevators and
> scratching your head....it get's much easier...HA!!!! HA!!!!
> HA!!!!....Wait till you bend your fifth trim tab!!!
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec09-pg07.html
>
> Rick Sked...How long does the last 5% take???
> If one more neighbor asks me how much longer I'm gonna scream!!
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chad E. Carlson" <me@chadcarlson.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:09:13 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building
> notes
> (thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would
> be
> willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
> workaround.
>
> At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
> reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a
> set
> until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from
> a
> flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the
> elevator
> horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
> consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
> are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
> manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
> regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
>
> Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
> understand the problem??
>
>
> Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
>
> me@chadcarlson.com
> www.chadcarlson.com
>
> "Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
> lost."
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
>>
>> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
>> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
>> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>
>>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>>
>>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of
>>> mind
>>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>>
>>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>>> doing the same thing.
>>>
>>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lenny
>>> #40803
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Steve
Have not seen you in over a year. How close are you to getting the 10 into the
air.
David LeTourneau
Houston, TX
-------------- Original message --------------
From: <millstees@ameritech.net>
I used a 100# daughter-in-law with a very small hand to do the job, and it worked
quite well ( I didn't get a single scratch). I will rent her out at a reasonable
rate.
Steve Mills N750SM (reserved)
RV-10 40486 Slow-build Eggenfellner E-6TI
Naperville, Illinois
Finishing kit, engine install
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Seat track pin
Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the seats? I dont
see how Im going to be able to get my hand or a ratchet down in there between
seat and wall . . .
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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<DIV>Steve</DIV>
<DIV>Have not seen you in over a year. How close are you to getting the 10
into the air. </DIV>
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I think what your saying is the parts are all the same and based on the
alignment of the pre punched holes- pretty darn accurate (this does not
include the fiberglass, mind you) but the way the individual builder mounts
and aligns it is where the difference lies.. right? hence some of us have a
non issue and aligning up, while others are off slightly ..
Chad- let me assure you Van's does an excellent job with the aluminum pieces
and hence my going by the plans most of the time and adjusting only when I
know it's a better solution, there is a reason Van's gives specific ranges
to drill holes and I really try to stick to those ranges, in the case of the
elevators there is an adjustment one can make to compensate for the
different drill locations. Believe me when I tell you that there are many
"right" ways to do the same thing, this forum is reviewing what we did at
that step and it's builder driven not a flaw in the piece.. now there are
flaws and that is mentioned as such and usually most of us get aftermarket
pieces to replace those in question, but even then those are not "gotchas"
those are "cautions". Van's BTW has replaced many of those faulty pieces as
builders have brought it to their attention so don't let a low number
builder tell you there is a flaw with a piece or plans as Van's may have
replaced after they received their respective kit.
Study Tim's site and the links he has for other builders, one can learn
quite a lot about the RV-10, but understand that when you're there it will
be a different experience for you..
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rene Felker" <rene@felker.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Let me try this, it has been a while since I did it..years....and I am not
> a
> watch maker...
>
> The horns have a relative position to each other based on the construction
> of the elevators and their mounting and alignment. Even if the horns we
> made perfectly, the construction and mounting of the individual elevators
> will affect their end position in 3-d space.
>
> Does that help any?
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chad E. Carlson
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:09 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building
> notes
> (thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would
> be
>
> willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
> workaround.
>
> At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
> reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a
> set
> until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from
> a
> flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the
> elevator
> horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
> consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
> are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
> manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
> regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
>
> Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
> understand the problem??
>
>
> Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
>
> me@chadcarlson.com
> www.chadcarlson.com
>
> "Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
> lost."
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
>>
>> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
>> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
>> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>
>>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>>
>>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of
>>> mind
>
>>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>>
>>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>>> doing the same thing.
>>>
>>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lenny
>>> #40803
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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The plans clearly call for the pin/lock to be outboard. Put the bolt head
outboard and the locking nuts under the seat. small quarter inch drive ought
to do it. try HF.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Seat track pin
Funny you should post while I am trying to find a way to 'fix' the seat rail
problem. I'm nowhere near needing to fit the seats, but I thought I'd pull
them out and see what they 'feel' like. First, I started looking for the
page where you bolt the middle rail support ..... well, you know how that
turned out!!!
Some things I didn't like about the seat rails ..... As you know, you have
to bolt the pin on AFTER you slide the seat in. My fix at the moment is to
leave the aft stop off. Countersink the bar with the slots so the screws
are flush.
The other thing I didn't like was the pin is supposed to be next to the
tunnel ...... and those flying might comment ..... and I think it's almost a
1/2 gainer into the cabin to grab the handle and slide the seat back. I
think the pin should be next to the door so you can reach it easily while on
the wing.
That brought me to the next 'problem' ..... wouldn't it be better to slide
the seat further back so you could step in on the metal in front of the seat
instead of on the seat????
Is it a non-issue??
Linn
do not archive
Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the seats? I
don't see how I'm going to be able to get my hand or a ratchet down in there
between seat and wall . . .
TDT
40025
Tim Dawson-Townsend
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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bution
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| Subject: | Re: Seat track pin |
David Maib wrote:
>
> The plans call for the pin to be on the outside. I think they might say somewhere
that you can put them on the inside if you desire, but that does not look
like the optimal place to me.
>
Thanks David! My bad! I got confused in there somewhere! So that's a
non-issue. Per Jessie, the seat travel is a non-issue too. I guess I
need to build and keep the engineer under lock and key!
Linn
do not archive
> BTW, I just installed Greg Hale's seat adjustment levers and am really pleased with them. Nice workmanship and an easy install that makes a very nice improvement over the Van's knuckle scrapers. You can see them at Greg's web site. http://www.nwacaptain.com/
>
> David Maib
> 40559
>
> do not archive
>
> On Tuesday, May 27, 2008, at 11:56AM, "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
wrote:
>
>> I always put the pin on the outside by the door for the very reason
>> you mention and because the center armrest/console doesn't allow much
>> room by the tunnel. Also, with the seat all the way back, you can put
>> your foot on the metal in front of the seat. Your whole foot won't
>> fit, but your heal will, and that's what matters. It makes it a lot
>> easier to get in and out, especially if you put a little piece of wing
>> walk material there for grip. I don't think I'd want to be able to
>> move the seat much further back, and certainly wouldn't want to take
>> the back stop off or the seat would end of sliding all the way back
>> and coming off the rails when a newbie is getting in.
>>
>> Just my $.02
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> Jesse Saint
>> Saint Aviation, Inc.
>> jesse@saintaviation.com
>> Cell: 352-427-0285
>> Fax: 815-377-3694
>>
>> On May 27, 2008, at 11:58 AM, linn Walters wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Funny you should post while I am trying to find a way to 'fix' the
>>> seat rail problem. I'm nowhere near needing to fit the seats, but I
>>> thought I'd pull them out and see what they 'feel' like. First, I
>>> started looking for the page where you bolt the middle rail
>>> support ..... well, you know how that turned out!!!
>>>
>>> Some things I didn't like about the seat rails ..... As you know,
>>> you have to bolt the pin on AFTER you slide the seat in. My fix at
>>> the moment is to leave the aft stop off. Countersink the bar with
>>> the slots so the screws are flush.
>>>
>>> The other thing I didn't like was the pin is supposed to be next to
>>> the tunnel ...... and those flying might comment ..... and I think
>>> it's almost a 1/2 gainer into the cabin to grab the handle and slide
>>> the seat back. I think the pin should be next to the door so you
>>> can reach it easily while on the wing.
>>>
>>> That brought me to the next 'problem' ..... wouldn't it be better to
>>> slide the seat further back so you could step in on the metal in
>>> front of the seat instead of on the seat????
>>>
>>> Is it a non-issue??
>>> Linn
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>> Dawson-Townsend,Timothy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any tricks to re-mount the seat-track pins after installing the
>>>> seats? I don?t see how I?m going to be able to get my hand or a
>>>> ratchet down in there between seat and wall . . .
>>>>
>>>> TDT
>>>> 40025
>>>>
>>>> Tim Dawson-Townsend
>>>> tdt@aurora.aero
>>>> 617-500-4812 (office)
>>>> 617-905-4800 (mobile)
>>>>
>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>>>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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Tru Dat!!
I was being lazy and didn't feel like squinting and surfing thru the pics...besides...Chad
needed to learn how to flip through the pages ;)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:52:38 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Although a good reference I think this is the step in question where one
actually drills the elevator
http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec11-pg03.html
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Chad,
>
> The parts in question are welded steel and very similar to R/C horns
> except they attach to the face of the elevator spar and rib. The "gotcha"
> if it exists is based, on where to drill the hole between the two horns.
> You center the elevators then drill a hole through each horn to make your
> pushrod attach point. Use the link below to see the horns. Tim has
> "discussion plans" on his site and you can get a good idea of what folks
> are talking about. And for all you guys plugging away on the elevators and
> scratching your head....it get's much easier...HA!!!! HA!!!!
> HA!!!!....Wait till you bend your fifth trim tab!!!
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/Plans/RV10_Plans_sec09-pg07.html
>
> Rick Sked...How long does the last 5% take???
> If one more neighbor asks me how much longer I'm gonna scream!!
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chad E. Carlson" <me@chadcarlson.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:09:13 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> As a mere mortal observer (read: wannabe builder) collecting building
> notes
> (thanks to all of you & especially Tim!), I am wondering if someone would
> be
> willing to provide a photo or two depicting the potential problem and
> workaround.
>
> At this point, the issue is very curious to me because without sufficient
> reference material (remember - I have no plans & apparently can't get a
> set
> until I buy my empennage kit), I am left to think this issue results from
> a
> flawed manufacturing process. I could be completely wrong, but the
> elevator
> horns sound like something that ought to be fashioned using fairly
> consistent materials, templates, and techniques. Obviously, model aircraft
> are poor analog to a full-scale build, but horns from a given model
> manufacturer are virtually identical in every way from package to package,
> regardless of size. Is that not the case with the RV-10 kit?
>
> Now that I have said the above, what am I missing in my attempt to
> understand the problem??
>
>
> Chad E. "Swiss watch maker wannabe" Carlson
>
> me@chadcarlson.com
> www.chadcarlson.com
>
> "Pilots may be temporarily uncertain of their position, but they are never
> lost."
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
>
>>
>> Will do...can someone type up the text in a nice complete wording of
>> what the problem is, and what the solution is? I'll be happy to
>> post it. Try to give plans page numbers and all if you can.
>>
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Lenny Iszak wrote:
>>> <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
>>>
>>> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator
>>> horns by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the
>>> shorter one, just like Mike described:(
>>>
>>> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of
>>> steel from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of
>>> mind
>>> I could weld it and redrill.
>>>
>>> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from
>>> doing the same thing.
>>>
>>> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the
>>> elevators and replacing the horns with new ones?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lenny
>>> #40803
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Memorial Day |
Hey Les,
Thanks! I was in Vietnam -- on the ground -- '68-'69 and it's sad, but I'm always
pleasantly surprised to get even an indirect thanks. Even if I may have disagreed
with why we were there, it was what it was and we surely didn't get
"thanks" at the time.
By the way -- back at ya! Even with selective memory, I'm sure there were Canadian
units there as well.
Back to building -- today my upper arms are black and blue from stretching and
squeezing to the max to back the last rivets in the last panel of the wings yesterday
-- you guys who say you did it alone must have ape hanger arms! Happy
Memorial Day!
(the group kinda latched onto the "Swiss watch" comment -- must have struck a chord!)
Later, - Lew
do not archive
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185126#185126
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Well, I did about the same. To make it worse, the hole as drilled
resulted in the trailing edges being misaligned.
I ended up working with my Tech Counselor to weld over one hole, then
adding a aluminum block between the two horns. I was able to exactly
line up the elevators using the block. The block holds the alignment.
Then re-drilling the 2nd hole for the push rod end. My TC said that was
how it is done on the Pitts.
I think there are a number of ways to fix this including just going with
it the way it is as Vans recommends. But there's just something about
it involving the elevator...
I didn't fully document it but attached is a pic of the block which fits
between the two horns and is attached with 3 AN3 bolts.
Lenny Iszak wrote:
>
> Arrrghhh, missed this thread by about 20 minutes... drilled my elevator horns
by the plans and screwed up... drilled the longer horn into the shorter one,
just like Mike described:(
>
> Called Van's, they told me that it will hold up as it is. I have 3/16 of steel
from the hole to the edge of the metal. They said for peace of mind I could
weld it and redrill.
>
> Tim, If you could add this on your tips page it may save someone from doing the
same thing.
>
> There goes my swiss watch airplane... has anyone tried opening up the elevators
and replacing the horns with new ones?
>
> Regards,
> Lenny
> #40803
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185030#185030
>
>
>
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Here are some pictures to illustrate the problem.
Lenny
#40803
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185144#185144
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/right_elevator_horn_199.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/left_elevator_horn_157.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/elevators_topview_565.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: WEST COAST TRIP |
Jim, glad u saw my note & we greatly appreciate your very generous
invitation. It will be a pleasure to meet ya'll and get to visit. Hopefully
u can give us lots of pointers and suggestions on what to do & where to go
in your part of the country. I hope u will join the gaggle for some legs. On
my previous job I had to go to LGB on Monday & return home on Friday about
every other week. Got tired of that after a while. Did get to fly out to
Catalina Island for something different. May want to do that again. Is there
a better time to catch u at home? I will give u a call soon. Thanks again.
Regards,
Doug
On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:50 AM, <pilotdds@aol.com> wrote:
> I would love to host the group overnight at Lake Tahoe.We can accomadate 8
> couples and there are ample hotels in the area for overflow.My number is
> 209-610-6689.Aircraft is 728DD.Home base is KSCK.-Jim
>
>
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> From: Doug Preston <dougpflyrv@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Fri, 23 May 2008 7:44 am
> Subject: RV10-List: WEST COAST TRIP
>
> ANSWERING MACHINE GLITCH.......WILL JIM FROM CA THAT CALLED ME LAST NITE
> PLEASE CALL BACK OR DROP ME AN EMAIL. THE ANSWERING MACHINE FOULED UP AND I
> ONLY GOT THESE NUMBERS 610-668.
> WE PRESENTLY PLAN TO LEAVE ALABAMA ON AUG. 30TH TAKING THE SOUTHERN ROUTE
> (PLUS SIDE STOPS OF INTEREST) TO CA AND UP THE WEST COAST TO VAN'S AND ON
> THE WA AND RETURN THE NORTHERN ROUTE (PLUS SIDE STOPS) TO BE HOME BY SEPT.
> 14TH. WOULD BE GREAT TO MEET FOLKS ALONG THE WAY AND HAVE U FLY SOME LEGS
> WITH US. ALSO APPRECIATE SUGGESTIONS ON POINTS OF INTEREST, ROUTES, AIRPORT
> RESTAURANTS, MOTELS, AND ESPECIALLY ADVICE ON MOUNTAIN FLYING.
> REGARDS,
>
> DOUG PRESTON
> RV-10
> N372RV
> BIRMINGHAM, AL
> H-205-823-2955
> C-205-873-2955
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Looks like mine and looks like you did a nice job too!. I really don't think
one need to worry too much as I figure the bolt will be on tight plus there
is the aft horn as well. Structurally, being Van's wasn't concerned, I trust
it should be fine.
Best of success reaching your comfort decision
Pascal
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From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:51 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
>
> Here are some pictures to illustrate the problem.
>
> Lenny
> #40803
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Lenny,
It's not a problem... The load is placed fore and aft...1/16" is not a big deal,
it's not in shear, it's not going to make your watch stop in this case. Place
a bolt in that hole and hang from it somehow....it ain't gonna fail. Later in
the build you may get a chance to CUT some of that same material (Meager attempt
to modify control cable bracket)...after you replace your band saw blade
you'll understand how tough that material is. I've seen RV's with less clearance
that what you have there...borrowed time? Maybe but most likely not. If you
have ever felt the "feel" of a completed control hook up you will understand
how smooth it feels and how well it moves. A good pull on the stick at 170kts
is about 3 to 4 pounds of force, it is not that much strain and especially on
4130 steel. Remember there are only 6 aluminum pop rivets holding in your pushrod
end into that aluminum tube....that horn is tough as nails. And...you can
fall back on edge clearance...which is measured from the center of the hole, not
the edge...your fine.
Rick (why do I ask for the flames) Sked
40185
Man I wish I was finished, staring at the wheel pants.
do not archive
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From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:51:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Here are some pictures to illustrate the problem.
Lenny
#40803
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185144#185144
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Oh yeah...looking at the rest of your work...nice job. Visible rivets look very
cool, as does everything else...I see your dilema...Your a Virgo too right?
:)
Rick Sked
40185
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From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard@rapiddecision.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:51:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevators
Here are some pictures to illustrate the problem.
Lenny
#40803
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I
was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pascal@rv10builder.net writes:
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up . By the
way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the
composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's
expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week
or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface,
and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of
them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I
was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pascal@rv10builder.net writes:
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the
way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the
composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's
expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week
or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface,
and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of
them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just
amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think Les
Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles distant.
Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but I was
hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pascal@rv10builder.net writes:
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the way,
thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the composite
prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's expanded
capabilities?
Thanks!
I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week or
so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface, and
weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of them are
only working on software.
Rob Hickman
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Greg's seat adjustment levers are very, very nice and I'd recommend them to
every one but make it even harder to install the pin block. BUT, if you use
nut plates instead of lock nuts it's easy to install the bolts. Now if I
could just find a way to make the seat back lock more user friendly...
Albert Gardner
N991RV
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
David Maib
The plans call for the pin to be on the outside. I think they might say
somewhere that you can put them on the inside if you desire, but that does
not look like the optimal place to me.
BTW, I just installed Greg Hale's seat adjustment levers and am really
pleased with them. Nice workmanship and an easy install that makes a very
nice improvement over the Van's knuckle scrapers. You can see them at Greg's
web site. http://www.nwacaptain.com/
David Maib
40559
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