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1. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Elevators (Jesse Saint)
2. 05:06 AM - OT: Interesting Airventure story (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
4. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (Lew Gallagher)
6. 07:09 AM - Powder Coating at home (James, Peter [SD])
7. 07:31 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
8. 07:41 AM - Re: Elevators (Lenny Iszak)
9. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
10. 09:12 AM - FW: OT: Interesting Airventure story (David McNeill)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (John Cox)
12. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 (pascal)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: OT: Interesting Airventure story (John Cox)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: OT: Interesting Airventure story (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
15. 08:34 PM - 14" Spinner For Sale (Robin Marks)
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I was pretty sure those were steel pop rivets holding the pushrod end
in the control tubes. Your point may still be made, but I think
they're steel.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On May 27, 2008, at 11:57 PM, Rick Sked wrote:
> Remember there are only 6 aluminum pop rivets holding in your
> pushrod end into that aluminum tube....
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| Subject: | OT: Interesting Airventure story |
I saw an interesting story this morning on the local news. Apparently EAA is
planning a 10 year project to expand the Airventure grounds and build 2 new exhibit
buildings. The current plan looks to link the existing 4 buildings into
two pairs buy building a new two story building between them and updating the
existing buildings with the usual convention center amenities like bathrooms.
The city of OSH is talking about abandoning their existing convention center
downtown and teaming up with EAA to turn Airventure grounds into a new OSH convention
center.
I bring this up because a lot of people feel that EAA has become too commercial
and has forgotten their constituency. I know this is the first I have heard
of this and a quick search on Google turns up nothing except a couple of the
local news stories. I would think that EAA would want to share such large initiatives
with the members before going full speed ahead.
I don't think this is necessarily a bad idea, and OSH could certainly use the
additional resources year around, but I would like to know exactly how EAA feels
this will help experimental aviation advocacy and how they feel this will
help the organization. This isn't a cheap endeavor at 20 million and it's a lot
of our EAA dues going into it. My point to this is, if you are a member, let
EAA know how you feel about this being done whether it's good or bad.
http://www.myfoxnewisconsin.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6636115&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=3.2.1
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
Actually I will, Late July early August..
P
From: John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just
amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think
Les Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles
distant. Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but
I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pascal@rv10builder.net writes:
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the
way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the
composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's
expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week
or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface,
and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of
them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
Actually, what am I thinking that's OSH, Maybe late August early
September.
From: pascal
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Actually I will, Late July early August..
P
From: John Jessen
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
It's amazing how far these RV's have come, from the 4 to the 10. Just
amazing. That Cessna, what, a 140? Not bad either. And, BTW, I think
Les Kearney, who attended the dinner, lives at least 1,000 plus miles
distant. Get on over here in the Fall, Pascal. No excuses.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:38 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
Rob;
Any updates on the "beta testing" prop? I know "so" isn't here yet but
I was hoping the "another week" had
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:31 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
In a message dated 5/16/2008 12:14:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pascal@rv10builder.net writes:
Haha, gone to a dinner 1000 miles away? .. you crack me up. By the
way, thanks for sponsoring it.
Any performance difference noticed? climb, cruise, etc.. with the
composite prop?
Any updates (unofficially) on the DECK and future plans for it's
expanded capabilities?
Thanks!
I am still gathering data on the prop, should have it in another week
or so. I am currently flying the flight director, autopilot interface,
and weather. We currently have six full time engineers and four of
them are only working on software.
Rob Hickman
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate response was,
"Man, that's one ugly prop!"
Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go figure.
But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc. (Swiss watch),
I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the hangar.
I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the beholder,
etc.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
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| Subject: | Powder Coating at home |
Hello -10 listers -
I thought that the Powder Coat system that I use at home was wider known...
perhaps not so I will throw this out to the group. Go to: www.Eastwoodco.
com
I have the HOTCOAT Deluxe system. It works great. You can powder coat in
mamma's kitchen at 400-425 degrees. I have used the system on dozens of li
ttle parts, hinges, home-made antenna mounts...and yes....I am planning to
powder coat my baffles.
Some observations, tricks and tips from my experience:
First, take a cardboard box... run a coat hanger through it several inches
from the top. This will be used for the negative/ground alligator clip. T
he clip goes on the outside of the box so it doesn't get covered with powde
r. When you are done, you can take the overspray out of the box and put b
ack in the bottle. Make hooks to hang parts out of safety wire for small i
tems, and a cut up coat hanger for heavier items. Just make sure you have
good conductivity between the hanging wire (negative contact) and the parts
.
Second, get some of the 14" long forceps from one of the vendors at Osh thi
s year. These are great for transferring from the shop to the kitchen oven
, and back when the parts are still hot.
Third, the Eastwood powders are excellent. I love them. The single stage
chrome is really just a shiny silver, and not really chrome like in my opin
ion. For my rocker box covers, we baked them in silver, then went over the
m with Translucent Blue. They look spiffy! Although I may change my plane
colors since so many silver and blue -10s are now flying.
I found that Harbor Freight had white powder for $5.50. so I bought some t
o try. It seems to be just fine. Their white is more of an off-white and
not quite as white as the Eastwood product. So for parts that will be buri
ed, not visible, etc. I use the cheaper stuff.
A local -9 builder was paying $7 per part to be powder coated, no matter ho
w small. He went through several hundred dollars in just one small batch o
f parts. I have paid for the system several times over.
Fourth - buy the silicone plug and tape kit - you will use the plugs and ta
pe for several things. I wrapped the threads of the tie down rings with ta
pe before I powder coated them.. it worked well.
Take a look...it's worth every penny!
Pete, #40100
Panel and other issues....
90% done, 90% to go!
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
I can't say I was interested in the blade for the looks but for the
advantages of the composite over aluminum for the life of the blade- aka
repair versus file and eventually replace due to large nicks and usual wear.
The composite will be more expensive up front, I know, but if Rob comes back
with the conclusion that it is smoother, quieter, and so on than I'll weigh
the advantages.
I don't want it to look good sitting in the hangar I do in the air when the
prop is turning and no one knows how it looks as it goes by them :-)
To answer your question, however, haven't seen it other than on a DA40
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/index_press.htm and Rob's, pictures
may not do it justice.
Pascal
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From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
>
> I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate
> response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
>
> Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go
> figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc.
> (Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the
> hangar.
>
> I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the
> beholder, etc.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185207#185207
>
>
>
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Thanks for putting me at ease. I was going to buy new horns and replace them. I'll
sleep on it and decide later. For now i'm going to hook it all up.
The rivets in the pushrod are steel, MSP-42.
Lenny
#40803
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
If they charge anywhere near the 12k they do for the DA40, they are going to have
a hard time competing against MT and Aerocomposite in the experimental space.
Unless of course they show huge performance gains which I doubt.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
I can't say I was interested in the blade for the looks but for the
advantages of the composite over aluminum for the life of the blade- aka
repair versus file and eventually replace due to large nicks and usual wear.
The composite will be more expensive up front, I know, but if Rob comes back
with the conclusion that it is smoother, quieter, and so on than I'll weigh
the advantages.
I don't want it to look good sitting in the hangar I do in the air when the
prop is turning and no one knows how it looks as it goes by them :-)
To answer your question, however, haven't seen it other than on a DA40
http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/index_press.htm and Rob's, pictures
may not do it justice.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
>
> I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate
> response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
>
> Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go
> figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc.
> (Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the
> hangar.
>
> I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the
> beholder, etc.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185207#185207
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Interesting Airventure story |
This is the response I got from EAA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Knapinski [mailto:dknapinski@eaa.org] On Behalf Of Communications
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:23 AM
Cc: dennis@aogpaint.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: Interesting Airventure story
David:
Thanks for your e-mail. There is a lot of information in the e-mail below
that is just plain incorrect. Let me go through it point-by-point, and feel
free to pass it back down the road from where you originally received it so
the RV-10 list isn't working off bad information:
1) Yes, as mentioned for the past couple of years, there is site
re-development planning underway. EAA Members (thousands of them),
Exhibitors, Pilots and others have been surveyed extensively over the past
three years about what they want improved on their convention site. The
first stage of the project will include improved transportation within the
site, additional showers and restroom facilities, improved food options,
Wi-Fi service, improved camping areas, and so forth.
2) The city of Oshkosh is NOT talking about abandoning their convention
center. That's never been part of the discussion. Whoever claims otherwise
is hearing only part of the story. This proposed facility is quite different
that the downtown convention center.
3) Demands from exhibitors have been for larger spaces and more indoor
spaces. EAA members and exhibitors have been asking for better
climate-controlled areas as well. To those of us who remember the old
flight line exhibit buildings, the current exhibit hangars are a world
better, but those who don't recall those tell us that they want more.
4) Tom Poberezny has shared site re-development information in previous
communications with EAA members and is doing so again in the June issue of
Sport Aviation. There will also be more information coming during this
year's AirVenture fly-in and additional member input is always welcomed.
5) You're right in that Oshkosh can use additional year-round facilities,
and in development of the site there is an opportunity to create an area
that would be available for off-season, year-round use. Some of this is
done already well before and after the fly-in each year. This brings in
revenue that allows EAA to maintain and improve the entire grounds without
pinging the member for funding.
6) Let me make this point abundantly clear -- MEMBER DUES ARE NOT BEING
USED FOR THIS PROJECT. That is why this is a phased-in, 10-year plan, so it
can be properly financed as it goes along. If there is not an overall plan
for the future, then the redevelopment will be haphazard at best. It is
also why the first stages of the project focus directly on member and
visitor amenities, not buildings. Exhibitor revenue, sponsorships and other
non-dues revenue are being used for this project.
7) What we're hearing from EAA members is a desire for improved amenities
throughout their convention site, and this is a plan to meet those needs
today and a decade down the road WITHOUT putting the costs on the members.
It is a plan, however, driven by the comments we've received from members
and others over the past several years who tell us to improve the site while
keeping the culture of the event.
I hope this clarifies a few things. I hope your source of the information
feels free to ask any questions that may arise. Thanks again for the
e-mail.
Best regards,
Dick Knapinski
EAA OSH
920-426-6523
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
The FW190 (MT propeller) gets a common response from those who do not
understand prop efficiencies. In the warbird community, performance
trumps one individual's aesthetic opinion every time.
I asked about this exact prop at OSH last year and the Hartzell guys
were asses. They said "Get Van to offer it". "It's too expensive for
you". Seems we are closer to an improved prop every day. There are some
that felt the Scimitar design was ugly in comparison to the decades old
and inefficient standard blades.
I am envious and appreciative of Rob's effort to help bring it to
market. Next will be a three blade version. Watch Sean Tucker's video
on the Hartzell site. When your life hangs on the prop blade. The new
one is RAD.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate
response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys,
go figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns,
etc. (Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in
the hangar.
I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the
beholder, etc.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185207#185207
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5 |
I am assuming they will be more than MT.
The DA40 is their STC conversion pricing that is "propeller kits come
complete with the propeller, a highly-polished spinner, STC paperwork and
the exclusive Hartzell Plus ThreeT warranty".
I have hopes that there will be a OEM deal through Van's which may bring
the cost down a few K's.
Reviews and pricing would indeed determine the final decision however.
--------------------------------------------------
From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> If they charge anywhere near the 12k they do for the DA40, they are going
> to have a hard time competing against MT and Aerocomposite in the
> experimental space. Unless of course they show huge performance gains
> which I doubt.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:28 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
>
>
> I can't say I was interested in the blade for the looks but for the
> advantages of the composite over aluminum for the life of the blade- aka
> repair versus file and eventually replace due to large nicks and usual
> wear.
> The composite will be more expensive up front, I know, but if Rob comes
> back
> with the conclusion that it is smoother, quieter, and so on than I'll
> weigh
> the advantages.
> I don't want it to look good sitting in the hangar I do in the air when
> the
> prop is turning and no one knows how it looks as it goes by them :-)
> To answer your question, however, haven't seen it other than on a DA40
> http://www.hartzellprop.com/pressroom/index_press.htm and Rob's, pictures
> may not do it justice.
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:01 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell prop and IO540D4A5
>
>>
>> I showed the picture of Rob's prop to my partner ... his immediate
>> response was, "Man, that's one ugly prop!"
>>
>> Even if it functions better, I doubt if he'll consider it -- flyboys, go
>> figure. But then if we're obsessing over dimples, elevator horns, etc.
>> (Swiss watch), I guess it makes sense to want it to look good in the
>> hangar.
>>
>> I just wondered if that was a typical response, beauty in the eye of the
>> beholder, etc.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> doors almost finished, pants on, WHEW!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185207#185207
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | OT: Interesting Airventure story |
Dave - thanks for the post.
I appreciate Dick acknowledging that the decision was based on extensive
surveys of members, exhibitors, pilots and others. As a member, pilot
and other I must have missed their marketing survey(s) several times -
Item 1). I will dig through all my junk mail and emails received over
the last three years in an attempt to find my error in filing such a
powerful survey. Maybe the power was with the exhibitors - Item 3)?
Short of pay toilets and private taxis "onsite" I conclude that my entry
fee is directed to offsetting the many privileges provided to Warbird
owners and to exhibitors. Don't get me wrong, free fuel, free smoke
oil, free oxygen, premium site location, free parking and free entry are
not bad for those who own and operate warbirds. I was also impressed
that owners of Exhibition Warbird aircraft can do their own
modifications and maintenance much like RV-10 owner/builders.
All in all, the EAA has done a remarkable job of growing the event,
building a pro-active lobby block to partner with the FAA and maximizing
the income(profit) stream. I will continue to buy the fuel enroute and
attend just to keep up on industry developments and to bask in the
hospitality of the residents of Oshkosh and the infrastructure
maintained by the hard working taxpaying inhabitants of Wisconsin during
each summer.
The AirVenture is a REAL money making machine. The product offering is
not bad either.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: FW: RV10-List: OT: Interesting Airventure story
This is the response I got from EAA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Knapinski [mailto:dknapinski@eaa.org] On Behalf Of
Communications
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:23 AM
Cc: dennis@aogpaint.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: Interesting Airventure story
David:
Thanks for your e-mail. There is a lot of information in the e-mail
below
that is just plain incorrect. Let me go through it point-by-point, and
feel
free to pass it back down the road from where you originally received it
so
the RV-10 list isn't working off bad information:
1) Yes, as mentioned for the past couple of years, there is site
re-development planning underway. EAA Members (thousands of them),
Exhibitors, Pilots and others have been surveyed extensively over the
past
three years about what they want improved on their convention site. The
first stage of the project will include improved transportation within
the
site, additional showers and restroom facilities, improved food options,
Wi-Fi service, improved camping areas, and so forth.
2) The city of Oshkosh is NOT talking about abandoning their convention
center. That's never been part of the discussion. Whoever claims
otherwise
is hearing only part of the story. This proposed facility is quite
different
that the downtown convention center.
3) Demands from exhibitors have been for larger spaces and more indoor
spaces. EAA members and exhibitors have been asking for better
climate-controlled areas as well. To those of us who remember the old
flight line exhibit buildings, the current exhibit hangars are a world
better, but those who don't recall those tell us that they want more.
4) Tom Poberezny has shared site re-development information in previous
communications with EAA members and is doing so again in the June issue
of
Sport Aviation. There will also be more information coming during this
year's AirVenture fly-in and additional member input is always welcomed.
5) You're right in that Oshkosh can use additional year-round
facilities,
and in development of the site there is an opportunity to create an area
that would be available for off-season, year-round use. Some of this is
done already well before and after the fly-in each year. This brings in
revenue that allows EAA to maintain and improve the entire grounds
without
pinging the member for funding.
6) Let me make this point abundantly clear -- MEMBER DUES ARE NOT BEING
USED FOR THIS PROJECT. That is why this is a phased-in, 10-year plan,
so it
can be properly financed as it goes along. If there is not an overall
plan
for the future, then the redevelopment will be haphazard at best. It is
also why the first stages of the project focus directly on member and
visitor amenities, not buildings. Exhibitor revenue, sponsorships and
other
non-dues revenue are being used for this project.
7) What we're hearing from EAA members is a desire for improved
amenities
throughout their convention site, and this is a plan to meet those needs
today and a decade down the road WITHOUT putting the costs on the
members.
It is a plan, however, driven by the comments we've received from
members
and others over the past several years who tell us to improve the site
while
keeping the culture of the event.
I hope this clarifies a few things. I hope your source of the
information
feels free to ask any questions that may arise. Thanks again for the
e-mail.
Best regards,
Dick Knapinski
EAA OSH
920-426-6523
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| Subject: | OT: Interesting Airventure story |
I didn't see any real contradiction to what I posted. With the exception of
OSH councilman considering consolidating their convention center with the Airventure
grounds if this goes forward with TIF funds. The councilman interviewed
for the story clearly said it was a consideration of his. No matter anyway,
OSH city council voted to approve the current convention center improvement plan
last night so that part is probably dead.
It's always interesting to see how people respond to email without the ability
to read emotion or body language. Obviously EAA is concerned about possible
negative press over this.
Watch the news report, make your own decisions, and if you feel strongly in either
direction let EAA know.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: FW: RV10-List: OT: Interesting Airventure story
This is the response I got from EAA.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Knapinski [mailto:dknapinski@eaa.org] On Behalf Of Communications
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:23 AM
Cc: dennis@aogpaint.com
Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT: Interesting Airventure story
David:
Thanks for your e-mail. There is a lot of information in the e-mail below
that is just plain incorrect. Let me go through it point-by-point, and feel
free to pass it back down the road from where you originally received it so
the RV-10 list isn't working off bad information:
1) Yes, as mentioned for the past couple of years, there is site
re-development planning underway. EAA Members (thousands of them),
Exhibitors, Pilots and others have been surveyed extensively over the past
three years about what they want improved on their convention site. The
first stage of the project will include improved transportation within the
site, additional showers and restroom facilities, improved food options,
Wi-Fi service, improved camping areas, and so forth.
2) The city of Oshkosh is NOT talking about abandoning their convention
center. That's never been part of the discussion. Whoever claims otherwise
is hearing only part of the story. This proposed facility is quite different
that the downtown convention center.
3) Demands from exhibitors have been for larger spaces and more indoor
spaces. EAA members and exhibitors have been asking for better
climate-controlled areas as well. To those of us who remember the old
flight line exhibit buildings, the current exhibit hangars are a world
better, but those who don't recall those tell us that they want more.
4) Tom Poberezny has shared site re-development information in previous
communications with EAA members and is doing so again in the June issue of
Sport Aviation. There will also be more information coming during this
year's AirVenture fly-in and additional member input is always welcomed.
5) You're right in that Oshkosh can use additional year-round facilities,
and in development of the site there is an opportunity to create an area
that would be available for off-season, year-round use. Some of this is
done already well before and after the fly-in each year. This brings in
revenue that allows EAA to maintain and improve the entire grounds without
pinging the member for funding.
6) Let me make this point abundantly clear -- MEMBER DUES ARE NOT BEING
USED FOR THIS PROJECT. That is why this is a phased-in, 10-year plan, so it
can be properly financed as it goes along. If there is not an overall plan
for the future, then the redevelopment will be haphazard at best. It is
also why the first stages of the project focus directly on member and
visitor amenities, not buildings. Exhibitor revenue, sponsorships and other
non-dues revenue are being used for this project.
7) What we're hearing from EAA members is a desire for improved amenities
throughout their convention site, and this is a plan to meet those needs
today and a decade down the road WITHOUT putting the costs on the members.
It is a plan, however, driven by the comments we've received from members
and others over the past several years who tell us to improve the site while
keeping the culture of the event.
I hope this clarifies a few things. I hope your source of the information
feels free to ask any questions that may arise. Thanks again for the
e-mail.
Best regards,
Dick Knapinski
EAA OSH
920-426-6523
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| Subject: | 14" Spinner For Sale |
RV-10 List,
I purchased a spinner on eBay some time ago. The plan was to
use it on my -10 project but I opted to purchase & use the Mustang Aero
14" spinner. Before I place the Spinner back on eBay I wanted to let the
list know of this item.
The spinner is available for $375.00 delivered.
Sorry for the commercial but I figured it may be a way to
save someone a few dollars.
http://www.painttheweb.com/spinner/Spinner.htm
Robin
Robin@PaintTheWeb.com
RV-4 Sold
RV-6A 425 Hours
RV-10 45 days or less???
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