RV10-List Digest Archive

Thu 06/05/08


Total Messages Posted: 18



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:03 AM - Re: OT - Explain This (David McNeill)
     2. 06:09 AM - Re: OT - Explain This (Sam)
     3. 06:53 AM - Re: OT - Explain This (linn Walters)
     4. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: HOUR TOTAL ON DOORS (John Gonzalez)
     5. 01:49 PM - Static Balancing (Tim Olson)
     6. 02:10 PM - Re: Static Balancing (orchidman)
     7. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Static Balancing (Tim Olson)
     8. 03:51 PM - Re: J Channel & Bulkheads (Chris)
     9. 07:35 PM - Almost a Builder (Kelly McMullen)
    10. 08:47 PM - Re: Almost a Builder (LES KEARNEY)
    11. 09:16 PM - Re: Almost a Builder (pascal)
    12. 09:16 PM - Re: Almost a Builder (Kelly McMullen)
    13. 09:32 PM - wire tying inside conduit? (Chris Johnston)
    14. 09:46 PM - Re: wire tying inside conduit? (linn Walters)
    15. 10:05 PM - Re: wire tying inside conduit? (Deems Davis)
    16. 10:56 PM - Re: wire tying inside conduit? (linn Walters)
    17. 11:10 PM - Re: Exhaust fitting problem (jerry petersen)
    18. 11:13 PM - Re: Almost a Builder (Paul Grimstad)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:03:07 AM PST US
    From: "David McNeill" <dlm46007@cox.net>
    Subject: OT - Explain This
    Explanations abound for the small stuff, loss leaders ,distributors margins, futures markets, etc. The main reason for the price of oil and gasoline is the restrictions on supply created by Congress and the value of the dollar as determined by Congress. When Congress makes laws that encourage lawsuits to prevent nuclear power,oil drilling, pipelines and refineries; supply is restricted. When Congress spends like drunken sailors (my apologies to the responsible ones) the value of the US currency declines. The oil suppliers have just about al the green paper they need; their vaults are already full. When one is at war (economic or otherwise) building weapons is required Talking a good game will get you killed. Congress has been "jawboning" too long. Its about time to release market forces by getting rid of the restrictive laws that produce stalemates on even proposals to build any weapons (economic ). We need to win this economic war but the only place Congress has declared war is on the American consumer.. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris and Susie McGough Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - Explain This Yes but look at the big picture why is oil going up "Futures" (stock market) some insignificant problem and the futures boys go off. Look at Bloomberg. The Iranian Preident basically said there is no supply problem its the Futures wankers in the States that are driveing the price up. Yes he might be a wolly and right or wrong Oil has dropped about $6 barrel in the last couple of days. I dont know a bloke just wants to fly his plane ! Simplistic view I know but the corner petrol station can do nothing about the 100% increase in fuel prices. Maybe a few cents or pennys regards Chris Still waiting on Dynon to be returned for first flight ( hoping to give the government more fuel taxes soon) ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com> Marks Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:43 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: OT - Explain This The corner gas station situation is more complicated than limited storage. In most brand name locations (I have very close ties to two Shell stations) the station owners have zero say in fuel deliveries. All the handling, receipt of payments, taxes, delivery schedules are handled by Shell. If the owner thinks fuel is going to go up they cannot request additional fuel. The Shell truck shows up when Shell decides to fuel them. Corporate is tied electronically into the individual storage tanks and often the fueling truck shows up with less than a 2 hour supply left in the tanks. Then they fill up the tanks =BC of capacity. >From my point of view the station owner gets the short end of the stick at every turn. Recently they had back to back $0.10 increases, up $0.20 in 2 days followed by a $0.27 increase in diesel in one day. Diesel is well into the mid $5.00=92s in CA. The rule of thumb in gas station/convenience store ownership is you sell the gas at no profit to entice the motorist into buy the cigarettes. You sell the cigarettes at cost to drive beer sales. And you sell beer as a loss leader to get people in to buy fuel. Expect many gas stations to close in the next 5 years. I also have a connection with a 400+ station owner consortium that is involved in a class action suit claiming unfair business practices. Example the fuel distributor also owns many of the stations in the area. Guess who gets the lowest price fuel first and has advanced notice of fuel price changes? Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT - Explain This Well Jesse, I might be able to explane. The gas stations pump a lot of Gas, and have limited storage. The price should only change, when the tanks are filled. The tankers can only carry 8,000 gallons a load. With todays frequent fluctuation's, and high volume sales, that means every few days, and in some cases every day, they receive a tanker load, and are subject to price change, up or down. Now, back to airports, they sometimes have as much as half a million gallon storage tanks, filled by barge, rail car, or pipeline. They fill their tanks less frequently, so prices can be slower to change. When you buy a load of fuel, as a dealer, you pay before the driver drops his load in your tanks. Sometimes, an FBO will raise his price, before his next load, just because he can. It's a free market system, you can charge whatever you want. I hope I didn't ramble to much, does this makes sense? Former FBO Sam Marlow RV10/ #40157 Jesse Saint wrote: Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I have a turbine) for $4.57? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontri bution http://www.matronic <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=== =====http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronic s.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:09:26 AM PST US
    From: Sam <sam@fr8dog.net>
    Subject: Re: OT - Explain This
    My simple explanation is a bit dated, 70's experience. I agree, were all pawns, in a world game! Now, back to RV10 stuff........did anyone perfect a rudder trim system? David McNeill wrote: > Explanations abound for the small stuff, loss leaders ,distributors > margins, futures markets, etc. The main reason for the price of oil > and gasoline is the restrictions on supply created by Congress and the > value of the dollar as determined by Congress. When Congress makes > laws that encourage lawsuits to prevent nuclear power,oil drilling, > pipelines and refineries; supply is restricted. When Congress spends > like drunken sailors (my apologies to the responsible ones) the value > of the US currency declines. The oil suppliers have just about al the > green paper they need; their vaults are already full. When one is at > war (economic or otherwise) building weapons is required Talking a > good game will get you killed. Congress has been "jawboning" too long. > Its about time to release market forces by getting rid of the > restrictive laws that produce stalemates on even proposals to build > any weapons (economic ). We need to win this economic war but the only > place Congress has declared war is on the American consumer.. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris and > Susie McGough > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:25 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OT - Explain This > > Yes but look at the big picture why is oil going up "Futures" (stock > market) some insignificant problem and the futures boys go off. Look > at Bloomberg. The Iranian Preident basically said there is no supply > problem its the Futures wankers in the States that are driveing the > price up. > Yes he might be a wolly and right or wrong Oil has dropped about $6 > barrel in the last couple of days. > I dont know a bloke just wants to fly his plane ! > Simplistic view I know but the corner petrol station can do nothing > about the 100% increase in fuel prices. Maybe a few cents or pennys > regards Chris > Still waiting on Dynon to be returned for first flight ( hoping to > give the government more fuel taxes soon) > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 3:43 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: OT - Explain This > > The corner gas station situation is more complicated than limited > storage. In most brand name locations (I have very close ties to > two Shell stations) the station owners have zero say in fuel > deliveries. All the handling, receipt of payments, taxes, delivery > schedules are handled by Shell. If the owner thinks fuel is going > to go up they cannot request additional fuel. The Shell truck > shows up when Shell decides to fuel them. Corporate is tied > electronically into the individual storage tanks and often the > fueling truck shows up with less than a 2 hour supply left in the > tanks. Then they fill up the tanks of capacity. >From my point > of view the station owner gets the short end of the stick at every > turn. Recently they had back to back $0.10 increases, up $0.20 in > 2 days followed by a $0.27 increase in diesel in one day. Diesel > is well into the mid $5.00s in CA. > > The rule of thumb in gas station/convenience store ownership is > you sell the gas at no profit to entice the motorist into buy the > cigarettes. You sell the cigarettes at cost to drive beer sales. > And you sell beer as a loss leader to get people in to buy fuel. > > Expect many gas stations to close in the next 5 years. > > I also have a connection with a 400+ station owner consortium that > is involved in a class action suit claiming unfair business > practices. Example the fuel distributor also owns many of the > stations in the area. Guess who gets the lowest price fuel first > and has advanced notice of fuel price changes? > > Robin > > Do Not Archive > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:18 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: OT - Explain This > > Well Jesse, I might be able to explane. The gas stations pump a > lot of Gas, and have limited storage. The price /should/ only > change, when the tanks are filled. The tankers can only carry > 8,000 gallons a load. With todays frequent fluctuation's, and high > volume sales, that means every few days, and in some cases every > day, they receive a tanker load, and are subject to price change, > up or down. > Now, back to airports, they sometimes have as much as half a > million gallon storage tanks, filled by barge, rail car, or > pipeline. They fill their tanks less frequently, so prices can be > slower to change. > When you buy a load of fuel, as a dealer, you pay before the > driver drops his load in your tanks. Sometimes, an FBO will raise > his price, before his next load, just because he can. > It's a free market system, you can charge whatever you want. > I hope I didn't ramble to much, does this makes sense? > Former FBO > Sam Marlow > RV10/ #40157 > > Jesse Saint wrote: > > Can anybody explain why I can put diesel in my truck at the gas > station for $4.80/gal and can put JetA in my plane (assuming I > have a turbine) for $4.57? > > do not archive > > Jesse Saint > > Saint Aviation, Inc. > > jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com> > > Cell: 352-427-0285 > > Fax: 815-377-3694 > > * * > > * * > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > * href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > * href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > http://www.matronic - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List>===================http://www.matronics.com/c > > > * * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > * > > > *


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    Time: 06:53:28 AM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: OT - Explain This
    Sam wrote: > > My simple explanation is a bit dated, 70's experience. I agree, were > all pawns, in a world game! > Now, back to RV10 stuff........did anyone perfect a rudder trim system? The subject seems to have died, doesn't it??? I'm still working on my 'closed loop' rudder cable system. Well, that's not true. Other projects have been consuming my time. Once the closed loop system is complete, I envision a vernier control attached to springs on one of the rudder cables to bias the rudder. We'll see!!! Linn


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    Time: 08:13:55 AM PST US
    From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: HOUR TOTAL ON DOORS
    Wow, I guess I did do something right if I cut off 200 hours. JOhn G. #409> Subject: RV10-List: Re: HOUR TOTAL ON DOORS> From: Mikeabel@P acbell.net> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:14:50 -0700> To: rv10-list@matronics.c I would agree that 269 hrs is a reasonable time to spend on the doors and t he hinge - locking mechanism> > --------> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186333# =====> > >


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    Time: 01:49:18 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Static Balancing
    I'm having problems finding something. Can anyone give me a tip as to where to look? For some reason, I thought there was a *Van's Provided* procedure for static balancing the elevator that we're supposed to do. Yes, I know I've heard of how other people do it, but isn't there a procedure somewhere in the plans or documentation that we're supposed to use to balance that elevator? It's been too long for me to remember exactly what I did way back when....so I'm trying to find the info and refresh my memory. Or, do they just tell you how to cut and fit the counterweights and leave it at that? It's been waaay too long....and after you fly you start to forget. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive


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    Time: 02:10:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Static Balancing
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    Tim Olson wrote: > I'm having problems finding something. Can anyone give me > a tip as to where to look? > > For some reason, I thought there was a *Van's Provided* procedure > for static balancing the elevator that we're supposed to do. > Yes, I know I've heard of how other people do it, but isn't > there a procedure somewhere in the plans or documentation > that we're supposed to use to balance that elevator? It's > been too long for me to remember exactly what I did way back > when....so I'm trying to find the info and refresh my memory. > > Or, do they just tell you how to cut and fit the counterweights > and leave it at that? > > It's been waaay too long....and after you fly you start to > forget. > > -- > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive Tim, Check out page 2 of the 'Final Inspection and Flight Test' from Van's. That page will give you the Balancing Limit values. I am not aware of any instructions directly from Van's however I have a copy of a post that does a pretty good job of detailing it that was posted here back in Jan 2007. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=22201&highlight=control+surface+balancing Not sure if this will help :D Gary -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186413#186413


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    Time: 02:26:11 PM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Static Balancing
    Cool, thanks, I remembered that I read that post, but couldn't remember where I got the data from. Thanks to you I found the table again. I was trying to find it in the plans for the elevator and a couple other places....no luck. I was thinking that perhaps they should have at least put a note in the various control surface sections with the specs. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive orchidman > Tim, > Check out page 2 of the 'Final Inspection and Flight Test' from Van's. That page will give you the Balancing Limit values. I am not aware of any instructions directly from Van's however I have a copy of a post that does a pretty good job of detailing it that was posted here back in Jan 2007. > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=22201&highlight=control+surface+balancing > > Not sure if this will help :D > Gary > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB > (N2GB registered) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186413#186413 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 03:51:48 PM PST US
    From: "Chris" <toaster73@embarqmail.com>
    Subject: Re: J Channel & Bulkheads
    I'd second that. I found numerous instances of this contact. I even tested it on a scrap piece by running it back and forth. Al to Al can produce an edge on either piece bulkead or channel. I sometimes bent the channel just enough to clear parts if it was only slight or I filed the bulkhead cutout back some (rounded it out.). In a couple instances I filed the edge of the j-channel down a little in a clean large radius fashion. I saw this contact on the wings too. To me over time the contact would fret and create a groove the width of the j-channel stock. I was not comfortable with such a small radius groove. -Chris Lucas #40072 (home made overhead console mold and wiring) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: J Channel & Bulkheads > > If you bend the J-channel, it will lose strength. The best way to > fix it is to file some gap into the bulkhead cutouts and then deburr > it. Yes, it's a lot of work, but the person/people who told you they > were worried about cracking are correct. Letting things "wear in" > just isn't right. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > John Testement wrote: >> I have had an interesting comment by both an A&P and and RV6 builder >> while looking over my plane. They pointed out that in the tailcone the >> edges of the J channels touch the bulkhead cutouts. They were concerned >> that the contact under vibration could create a crack in the bulkheads. >> They both suggested that I bend the J channel edges down to prevent the >> contact. This seems like a lot of work (especially in the tight >> tailcone). I am wondering if anyone else has been concerned about this or >> has bothered to bend J channels. Is there a building standard about >> contact between parts like this? >> John Testement >> jwt@roadmapscoaching.com <mailto:jwt@roadmapscoaching.com> >> 40321 >> Richmond, VA >> Painting and final assembly >> Checked by AVG. >> 6/3/2008 7:00 AM >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > >


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    Time: 07:35:55 PM PST US
    From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
    Subject: Almost a Builder
    Tail Kit order was faxed to Vans today, so I suppose I'll have a builder number shortly and start worrying about picking up the kit and inventorying it. Looking forward to it.


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    Time: 08:47:39 PM PST US
    From: LES KEARNEY <Kearney@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Almost a Builder
    Kelly Welcome to the dark side. I guess I'll have to rat you out to the Piper list... Cheers Les ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> Subject: RV10-List: Almost a Builder > <apilot2@gmail.com> > Tail Kit order was faxed to Vans today, so I suppose I'll have a > builder number shortly and start worrying about picking up the > kit and > inventorying it. Looking forward to it. > > RV10-List Email Forum - > _- > = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > _- > = - List Contribution Web Site - > _- > = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 09:16:05 PM PST US
    From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
    Subject: Re: Almost a Builder
    I doubt you'll worry too much about the pick-up but I assure you there will be moments you will worry when building, but don't worry than either since this forum is a great resource for all those perplexing steps. Make sure you pay attention in the empennage because the instructions get less detailed in the wings and even more so in the fusellage. THAN you'll be worrying about steps you come across that the plans dont even mention. It will be a great experience, enjoy the journey of building it has been a real blessing for me so far and I trust it will be equally satisfying for you. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Almost a Builder > > Tail Kit order was faxed to Vans today, so I suppose I'll have a > builder number shortly and start worrying about picking up the kit and > inventorying it. Looking forward to it. > > >


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    Time: 09:16:48 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Almost a Builder
    Thanks. Turnabout is fair play. Some of them already know about it. Heck, John Galban was Doug Peterson's "rivet boy" while Doug was building his -10. Tool kit from Isham is due in Sat or Mon. LES KEARNEY wrote: > Kelly > > Welcome to the dark side. I guess I'll have to rat you out to the > Piper list... > > Cheers > > Les > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kelly McMullen <apilot2@gmail.com> > Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008 8:46 pm > Subject: RV10-List: Almost a Builder > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > > <apilot2@gmail.com> > > Tail Kit order was faxed to Vans today, so I suppose I'll have a > > builder number shortly and start worrying about picking up the > > kit and > > inventorying it. Looking forward to it. > >


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    Time: 09:32:58 PM PST US
    Subject: wire tying inside conduit?
    From: "Chris Johnston" <CJohnston@popsound.com>
    Here's a funny question that I've been asking myself this afternoon... when you run wires inside a conduit (under the rear floors, etc) do you need to tie them up together before you run them through? you know, with zip ties or wire lacing tape? Seems like overkill, but i can't help but think about wires flopping around in there. what say you all? cj


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    Time: 09:46:59 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: wire tying inside conduit?
    Chris Johnston wrote: > Here's a funny question that I've been asking myself this afternoon... when you run wires inside a conduit (under the rear floors, etc) do you need to tie them up together before you run them through? you know, with zip ties or wire lacing tape? Seems like overkill, but i can't help but think about wires flopping around in there. what say you all? > No ties within the conduit. They won't really flop around ..... and if they do, you've got more important things to worry about ;-) . Lacing up bundles of wires serves to make a neater installation instead of looking like someone tossed spaghetti behind the panel :-P . It also serves to keep the wires from moving around and creating fatigue cracks in the wires where the crimped lugs or soldered connections are. Being contained inside a conduit is best looked at like a loose-tied bundle. > cj >


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    Time: 10:05:01 PM PST US
    From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: wire tying inside conduit?
    CJ, I would definitely NOT tie the wires within the conduit. Having just gone through the exercise of running additional wires in an already 'full' conduit, the ties would make installing the new wires difficult to impossible. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Chris Johnston wrote: > Here's a funny question that I've been asking myself this afternoon... when you run wires inside a conduit (under the rear floors, etc) do you need to tie them up together before you run them through? you know, with zip ties or wire lacing tape? Seems like overkill, but i can't help but think about wires flopping around in there. what say you all? > > cj >


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    Time: 10:56:08 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: wire tying inside conduit?
    Deems Davis wrote: > > CJ, I would definitely NOT tie the wires within the conduit. Having > just gone through the exercise of running additional wires in an > already 'full' conduit, the ties would make installing the new wires > difficult to impossible. And the same for removing one!!! Linn do not archive > > Deems Davis # 406 > 'Its all done....Its just not put together' > http://deemsrv10.com/ > > Chris Johnston wrote: >> Here's a funny question that I've been asking myself this >> afternoon... when you run wires inside a conduit (under the rear >> floors, etc) do you need to tie them up together before you run them >> through? you know, with zip ties or wire lacing tape? Seems like >> overkill, but i can't help but think about wires flopping around in >> there. what say you all? >> >> cj >> > >


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    Time: 11:10:29 PM PST US
    From: jerry petersen <bldanrv9a@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Exhaust fitting problem
    Is it a Vetterman system? I've been to his shop numerous times and he welds each system mounted directly to the engine model system is to be mounted on. I'm not sure what the problem might be, It's been too long since we mounted ours, but I'd be shocked if the system doesn't fit. If you don't get it figured out let me know and I can contact Larry for a solution. --- On Tue, 6/3/08, McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> wrote: > From: McGANN, Ron <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com> > Subject: RV10-List: Exhaust fitting problem > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 11:54 PM > G'day all, > > After 4.25 years of building and having everything fit > beautifully, I > finally get to the very last set of plans (FF-6 Exhaust > installation). > Install the right side first, still amazed at how > everything 'just > fits'. Finished the routing of the alternator and > starter wires and > pulled out the last piece of the kit that was left - the > left hand > exhaust manifold. > > There is no way that this puppy will fit. The riser for #2 > cylinder > seems to have been welded incorrectly and there is nowhere > near enough > adjustment to have the stack fit the exhaust ports. > > Has anyone else experienced this or am I SOL, right at the > finish line?? > > Thanks in advance for any responses - no 'cheers' > today ;-< > > Ron > 187 hobbled at the end > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached > files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the > intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or > any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received > this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care > has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus > free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is > not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to > ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in > this email to > your computer."


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    Time: 11:13:27 PM PST US
    From: "Paul Grimstad" <Bldgrv10450@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Almost a Builder
    Good news Kelly, Welcome aboard. You will love building the RV10. Are you planning to will call your order? Paul Grimstad RV10 450 Portland, Or. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:32 PM Subject: RV10-List: Almost a Builder > > Tail Kit order was faxed to Vans today, so I suppose I'll have a > builder number shortly and start worrying about picking up the kit and > inventorying it. Looking forward to it. > > > >




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