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1. 01:16 AM - Service Bulletin (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
2. 02:07 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (Deems Davis)
3. 05:35 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (Rene Felker)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: (dnorth1@optonline.net)
5. 07:06 AM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (Tim Olson)
6. 08:11 AM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (John Gonzalez)
7. 08:24 AM - Re: Service Bulletin ()
8. 08:39 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (Tim Olson)
9. 08:58 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (pascal)
10. 09:14 AM - S.B. and A.D. (pilotdds@AOL.COM)
11. 10:57 AM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (David McNeill)
12. 11:22 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (David McNeill)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Service Bulletin (David McNeill)
14. 11:55 AM - Emailing: IMG_1258 (David McNeill)
15. 01:07 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (Scott Schmidt)
16. 01:07 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (Robin Marks)
17. 01:09 PM - Re: Emailing: IMG_1258 (John Gonzalez)
18. 01:24 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 ()
19. 01:32 PM - Re: Emailing: IMG_1258 (David McNeill)
20. 01:36 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (gengrumpy@aol.com)
21. 01:37 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (gengrumpy@aol.com)
22. 04:05 PM - Re: Drilling out 1/8" rivets (was Service Bulletin 08-6-1) (Carl Froehlich)
23. 04:23 PM - SB Info (Jesse Saint)
24. 05:42 PM - Re: SB Info (John Cox)
25. 07:13 PM - Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 (Rene)
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin |
Not the package I was hoping for from Van's when I got home today! (SB
package on my doorstep)
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is going
on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead at those
location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases of cracks
that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress, or
vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized' movement
of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this situation???? I'd
like to hear from the engineers out there.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin |
No science involved but......when the airplane stalls there is a fair amount
of tail buffet......vibration......maybe the demonstrator A/C will be the
only one that develops these cracks due to the type of flying it does??????
It will be interesting to see if anyone else finds the cracks. I plan on
doing my inspection today, will let the list know what I find, if anything.
Let's see, I have a new plane that has two mandatory (in my mind) inspection
requirements, one for the fuel servo and one for the tail. And I had to
disassemble the Vertical Stabilizer already to deal with another SB. I am
with Scott, it seems like I will spend as much time working on the plane as
I will flying it.......but of course that is not really true in that I have
34 hours on the airframe and may have spent 4 hours working on it
(inspections, oil, rigging).
I have yet to really finish the airplane and am finding it hard to do it. I
am still working on the wheel fairings, at the painter finally, and have a
fair amount of interior work to finish up. It is just that when I have free
time and the weather is nice.....I fly.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is going
on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead at those
location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases of cracks
that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress, or
vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized' movement
of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this situation???? I'd
like to hear from the engineers out there.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: : RV10-List: |
-----Original Message-----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
To:rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List:
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
A few people have asked me off-line if I've seen anything of the
SB or the cracks associated. Well, yesterday I was on a good x/c
trip. Quite an adventure, actually, so no, it was all news to me,
and of course, unless you're looking hard for cracks in just the
right place, you'd never catch them on an inspection, so no, I
didn't notice any on mine...but I didn't look hard at that area
either.
On person suggested using a hi-res digital camera (or HD video
cam for that matter...I just got one) to do the inspection.
Probably a great idea.
I've also heard from someone hoping to find an alternate method
of compliance. I'm sure there could be many ways of doing
reinforcements.
I plan to, once my kit arrives, get it done soon. I cringe
every time I'm in turbulence. I've never had super trust in
strength of materials....valid or not. The other area that
always gets my stomach twisted are those 2 L-brackets that
hold the Horizontal Stab on at the front spar. But, I've always
figured that it must be engineered strong enough. At least
that's what I tell myself as I'm banging along in the bumps.
I'm just hoping that once this is all done, there is plenty
of strength, because it's going to be a major pain in the
rear to disassemble this, and I don't want to do it again.
So sorry, no news to add here, but I'll probably take pictures
and write it up when I do the job.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
A good reason for selling my future, beautifully completed RV10 and getting
a two place sailplane. Just have to tell the third person in my family tou
gh luck you can't go today. My single place sailplane, 500+ hours and no pr
oblems. Except for vacuuming and washing, almost maintainence free.
One step forward one step back.
Think I'll keep working toward completion to make sure this cures the probl
em before I tear it down.
John G. 409
e: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1To: rv10-list@matronics.com
As people complete this SB, it will be interesting to see how many others s
ee some cracks. That will take some time to fix. I swear that even after g
etting the plane flying I work on it 1 hour for every hour that I fly it. (
not really but sometimes it feels like that)
Scott Schmidtscottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----From: rsipp <rsipp@earthlink.net>To: rv10-list@m
atronics.comSent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:34:49 PMSubject: RV10-List: Servic
e Bulletin 08-6-1
Just saw a new service bulletin on the RV10 on Van's web
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin |
I would really like to see pictures of what Van's found when the decided to issue
these types of service bulletins. It would benefit us all on what exactly
we should be looking for and where and how severe it was.
Ray Doerr
I just finished putting the tail back together a few week ago after paint. It
never ends.
N519RV (40250) 376 hours.
---- Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> No science involved but......when the airplane stalls there is a fair amount
> of tail buffet......vibration......maybe the demonstrator A/C will be the
> only one that develops these cracks due to the type of flying it does??????
> It will be interesting to see if anyone else finds the cracks. I plan on
> doing my inspection today, will let the list know what I find, if anything.
>
> Let's see, I have a new plane that has two mandatory (in my mind) inspection
> requirements, one for the fuel servo and one for the tail. And I had to
> disassemble the Vertical Stabilizer already to deal with another SB. I am
> with Scott, it seems like I will spend as much time working on the plane as
> I will flying it.......but of course that is not really true in that I have
> 34 hours on the airframe and may have spent 4 hours working on it
> (inspections, oil, rigging).
>
> I have yet to really finish the airplane and am finding it hard to do it. I
> am still working on the wheel fairings, at the painter finally, and have a
> fair amount of interior work to finish up. It is just that when I have free
> time and the weather is nice.....I fly.
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:04 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
>
>
>
> So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
> wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is going
> on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead at those
> location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases of cracks
> that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress, or
> vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
> someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
> IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized' movement
> of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this situation???? I'd
> like to hear from the engineers out there.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
>
> > *
> > *
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
AMEN! I think issuing it without photo illustrations is
a bit ridiculous. It would be nice if we could all see
exactly what we need to watch for.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
rdoerr@kc.rr.com wrote:
>
> I would really like to see pictures of what Van's found when the
> decided to issue these types of service bulletins. It would benefit
> us all on what exactly we should be looking for and where and how
> severe it was.
>
> Ray Doerr I just finished putting the tail back together a few week
> ago after paint. It never ends.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin |
When I call Van's for questions I am usually told that its fine to have
some issues I feel may be a structural concern (aka replacing rivets with a
pop rivet, etc). The way I see SB's from Van's are that it's something
serious enough that they want it resolved. They admit there is something
that IS a structural shortfall/concern and should be improved/replaced.
Many have complained of shortfalls on some parts from Van's , but Van's has
not always sent out an SB on it (WD-415 was improved to resolve a shortfall
but not replaced with parts in the mail, there is the landing gear shimmy,
etc)
My point is regardless of how bad the crack is.. Van's is sending parts out
for everyone to replace as needed. As the builder it's up to us to determine
if we want that extra layer of protection, even if the crack never occurs,
I'm with do the work now versus stressing about it later- Like insurance I
sure hope it's never an issue but I'm glad I did all I could to protect
myself if it ever does. Nothing wrong with making it stronger.
Deems has a great point about.. why? maybe understanding the trim issue or
other as to why this SB is needed might resolve other issues in the future.
John Cox, maybe you can get the "rest of the story" for us.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: <rdoerr@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
>
> I would really like to see pictures of what Van's found when the decided
> to issue these types of service bulletins. It would benefit us all on
> what exactly we should be looking for and where and how severe it was.
>
> Ray Doerr
> I just finished putting the tail back together a few week ago after paint.
> It never ends.
>
>
> N519RV (40250) 376 hours.
>
> ---- Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No science involved but......when the airplane stalls there is a fair
>> amount
>> of tail buffet......vibration......maybe the demonstrator A/C will be the
>> only one that develops these cracks due to the type of flying it
>> does??????
>> It will be interesting to see if anyone else finds the cracks. I plan on
>> doing my inspection today, will let the list know what I find, if
>> anything.
>>
>> Let's see, I have a new plane that has two mandatory (in my mind)
>> inspection
>> requirements, one for the fuel servo and one for the tail. And I had to
>> disassemble the Vertical Stabilizer already to deal with another SB. I
>> am
>> with Scott, it seems like I will spend as much time working on the plane
>> as
>> I will flying it.......but of course that is not really true in that I
>> have
>> 34 hours on the airframe and may have spent 4 hours working on it
>> (inspections, oil, rigging).
>>
>> I have yet to really finish the airplane and am finding it hard to do it.
>> I
>> am still working on the wheel fairings, at the painter finally, and have
>> a
>> fair amount of interior work to finish up. It is just that when I have
>> free
>> time and the weather is nice.....I fly.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> 801-721-6080
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:04 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
>>
>>
>>
>> So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
>> wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is going
>> on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead at those
>> location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases of cracks
>> that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress, or
>> vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
>> someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
>> IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized' movement
>> of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this situation???? I'd
>> like to hear from the engineers out there.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> > *
>> > *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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The likes of cirrus ,cessna beech and commander all have S.B. and A.D.s.Cirrus
had many in its first 150 aircraft.It is to our and our families advantage that
vans provides these services,most kitplanes are not around long enough to issue
these bulletines.It is a pain in the ass to comply but that is the reality
of airplane ownership.I just reassembled my aircraft after paint.
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
Good idea. Remember the V tail Bonanza: fixed a few times before it finally
had enough rivets and doublers in the tail.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
A good reason for selling my future, beautifully completed RV10 and getting
a two place sailplane. Just have to tell the third person in my family tough
luck you can't go today. My single place sailplane, 500+ hours and no
problems. Except for vacuuming and washing, almost maintainence free.
One step forward one step back.
Think I'll keep working toward completion to make sure this cures the
problem before I tear it down.
John G. 409
_____
From: scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
As people complete this SB, it will be interesting to see how many others
see some cracks.
That will take some time to fix.
I swear that even after getting the plane flying I work on it 1 hour for
every hour that I fly it.
(not really but sometimes it feels like that)
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: rsipp <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:34:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
Just saw a new service bulletin on the RV10 on Van's web
get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin |
Just talked with my buddy at the BAC and we looked at the digital pictures I
took of the area this morning. The problem area as determined by Vans is the
tab that is riveted to the side of the longeron. He noticed that the tab is
not radiused and we may be able to radius it and prevent a crack. Also since
we installed the outside fasteners as an interference fit HiLoc there is no
possible movement in that area.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
When I call Van's for questions I am usually told that its fine to have
some issues I feel may be a structural concern (aka replacing rivets with a
pop rivet, etc). The way I see SB's from Van's are that it's something
serious enough that they want it resolved. They admit there is something
that IS a structural shortfall/concern and should be improved/replaced.
Many have complained of shortfalls on some parts from Van's , but Van's has
not always sent out an SB on it (WD-415 was improved to resolve a shortfall
but not replaced with parts in the mail, there is the landing gear shimmy,
etc)
My point is regardless of how bad the crack is.. Van's is sending parts out
for everyone to replace as needed. As the builder it's up to us to determine
if we want that extra layer of protection, even if the crack never occurs,
I'm with do the work now versus stressing about it later- Like insurance I
sure hope it's never an issue but I'm glad I did all I could to protect
myself if it ever does. Nothing wrong with making it stronger.
Deems has a great point about.. why? maybe understanding the trim issue or
other as to why this SB is needed might resolve other issues in the future.
John Cox, maybe you can get the "rest of the story" for us.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: <rdoerr@kc.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:21 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
>
> I would really like to see pictures of what Van's found when the
> decided to issue these types of service bulletins. It would benefit
> us all on what exactly we should be looking for and where and how severe
it was.
>
> Ray Doerr
> I just finished putting the tail back together a few week ago after paint.
> It never ends.
>
>
> N519RV (40250) 376 hours.
>
> ---- Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> No science involved but......when the airplane stalls there is a fair
>> amount of tail buffet......vibration......maybe the demonstrator A/C
>> will be the only one that develops these cracks due to the type of
>> flying it does??????
>> It will be interesting to see if anyone else finds the cracks. I
>> plan on doing my inspection today, will let the list know what I
>> find, if anything.
>>
>> Let's see, I have a new plane that has two mandatory (in my mind)
>> inspection requirements, one for the fuel servo and one for the tail.
>> And I had to disassemble the Vertical Stabilizer already to deal with
>> another SB. I am with Scott, it seems like I will spend as much time
>> working on the plane as I will flying it.......but of course that is
>> not really true in that I have
>> 34 hours on the airframe and may have spent 4 hours working on it
>> (inspections, oil, rigging).
>>
>> I have yet to really finish the airplane and am finding it hard to do it.
>> I
>> am still working on the wheel fairings, at the painter finally, and
>> have a fair amount of interior work to finish up. It is just that
>> when I have free time and the weather is nice.....I fly.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> 801-721-6080
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems
>> Davis
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:04 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
>>
>>
>>
>> So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
>> wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is
>> going on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead
>> at those location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases
>> of cracks that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress,
>> or vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
>> someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
>> IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized'
>> movement of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this
>> situation???? I'd like to hear from the engineers out there.
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>>
>> > *
>> > *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin |
Just spoke with Vans and the pictures will be going up on their website. The
crack was near the tab that steps up to attach to the longeron. He did agree
that HiLocs could be installed there probably easier than rivets and that it
may be possible to install the doublers without pulling the top up
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rdoerr@kc.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
I would really like to see pictures of what Van's found when the decided to
issue these types of service bulletins. It would benefit us all on what
exactly we should be looking for and where and how severe it was.
Ray Doerr
I just finished putting the tail back together a few week ago after paint.
It never ends.
N519RV (40250) 376 hours.
---- Rene Felker <rene@felker.com> wrote:
>
>
> No science involved but......when the airplane stalls there is a fair
> amount of tail buffet......vibration......maybe the demonstrator A/C
> will be the only one that develops these cracks due to the type of flying
it does??????
> It will be interesting to see if anyone else finds the cracks. I plan
> on doing my inspection today, will let the list know what I find, if
anything.
>
> Let's see, I have a new plane that has two mandatory (in my mind)
> inspection requirements, one for the fuel servo and one for the tail.
> And I had to disassemble the Vertical Stabilizer already to deal with
> another SB. I am with Scott, it seems like I will spend as much time
> working on the plane as I will flying it.......but of course that is
> not really true in that I have
> 34 hours on the airframe and may have spent 4 hours working on it
> (inspections, oil, rigging).
>
> I have yet to really finish the airplane and am finding it hard to do
> it. I am still working on the wheel fairings, at the painter finally,
> and have a fair amount of interior work to finish up. It is just that
> when I have free time and the weather is nice.....I fly.
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Deems Davis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 3:04 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin
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> So, ....... we've got a 'fix . . .' (a.k.a. SB) but it leaves me
> wondering about what caused the cracks in the 1st place? What is
> going on that would / is causing a crack/s to appear in that bulkhead
> at those location? (Root Cause) I'm not an engineer, but most cases of
> cracks that I've heard of are the result of fatigue due to stress, or
> vibration, or ........? I recall a past thread that spoke about
> someone who had witnessed the regular 'twisting' of the horizontal stab.
> IIRC the suspected cause of the twist was the 'unsynchronized'
> movement of the trim tabs. Could this be contributing to this
> situation???? I'd like to hear from the engineers out there.
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> 'Its all done....Its just not put together'
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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My discussion with Vans indicated the tab riveted to the longeron just to
the left of the red collar is the tab that showed cracks.
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| Subject: | Re: Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
The truth is I get alot of enjoyment out of the flying, the work and maintenance.
I don't have to work on it as much as I do but I want to make sure I am at
the front of the useful life curve on everything. When you change the oil every
25 hours, new brakes every 150 - 200 hours, prop lube every 100 hours, tire
rotation about every 150 hours, new plugs in the electronic ignition every 100
- 125 hours, the annual every year and then little things that you want to
improve, you put some time into the plane.
But in return for all the work I have a totally awesome cross country machine that
I can travel with and is completely reliable. When I get ready to go somewhere
I don't even think twice about something failing because I know the maintenance
has been completed and everything is in proper working order. With a
Cirrus or other production plane, you really have no idea if something is wrong
because you don't get the feel for when things are 50% worn and need replacing.
With a new plane we can probably expect a few issues like this. It is still one
of the most fun four place planes out there.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: John Gonzalez <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:08:12 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
A good reason for selling my future, beautifully completed RV10 and getting a
two place sailplane. Just have to tell the third person in my family tough luck
you can't go today. My single place sailplane, 500+ hours and no problems. Except
for vacuuming and washing, almost maintainence free.
One step forward one step back.
Think I'll keep working toward completion to make sure this cures the problem before
I tear it down.
John G. 409
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 19:39:35 -0700
From: scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
As people complete this SB, it will be interesting to see how many others see some
cracks.
That will take some time to fix.
I swear that even after getting the plane flying I work on it 1 hour for every
hour that I fly it.
(not really but sometimes it feels like that)
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: rsipp <rsipp@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 6:34:49 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
Just saw a new service bulletin on the RV10 on Van's web
get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
p://forums.matronics.com
blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
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IF THAT IS INDEED THE PROBLEM, IT SEEMS IN MY OPINION GETTING RID OF THE TA
B WOULD BE BETTER THAN TRYING TO USE A DOUBLER. THE TAB CURRENTLY AS IS IS
LIKE THE PULL TAB ON A COKE CAN, IT SERVES AS A WAY TO START THE TEAR.
JOHN G. 409> From: dlm46007@cox.net> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject:
RV10-List: Emailing: IMG_1258> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:51:21 -0700> > > M
y discussion with Vans indicated the tab riveted to the longeron just to> t
he left of the red collar is the tab that showed cracks.
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
By using a digital camera to tap a few pictures of the area, I'll bet you can put
the camera in the rear inspect cover opening and be able to see this area well
instead of removing the emp fairing which has a ton more screws. Thoughts?
Ray Doerr
---- Robin Marks <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
> Regarding Tim's comment
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> "One person suggested using a hi-res digital camera (or HD video cam for that
matter...I just got one) to do the inspection.
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> Probably a great idea."
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> I just came across this device called a QuickPod (~$25.00) One could set the
timer for a photo or just video the area:
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we also considered getting rid of the tag but it will take a pencil grinder
and some contortions getting a view of the work while grinding. As an
alternative we are considering creating a radius so that the sharp corner
does not exist and prevent the tear in the first place. If that is not
sufficient and we do install the doublers,we will not pull up the top but
work through the top holes and probably install doublers that will also hook
to the external skin as well. a flange for the part exist but no pilot holes
are in it. With just 33 hours TT we have a while to think on this problem.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Emailing: IMG_1258
IF THAT IS INDEED THE PROBLEM, IT SEEMS IN MY OPINION GETTING RID OF THE TAB
WOULD BE BETTER THAN TRYING TO USE A DOUBLER. THE TAB CURRENTLY AS IS IS
LIKE THE PULL TAB ON A COKE CAN, IT SERVES AS A WAY TO START THE TEAR.
JOHN G. 409
> From: dlm46007@cox.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Emailing: IMG_1258
> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:51:21 -0700
>
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> My discussion with Vans indicated the tab riveted to the longeron just to
> the left of the red collar is the tab that showed cracks.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:03 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
A few people have asked me off-line if I've seen anything of the
SB or the cracks associated. Well, yesterday I was on a good x/c
trip. Quite an adventure, actually, so no, it was all news to me,
and of course, unless you're looking hard for cracks in just the
right place, you'd never catch them on an inspection, so no, I
didn't notice any on mine...but I didn't look hard at that area
either.
On person suggested using a hi-res digital camera (or HD video
cam for that matter...I just got one) to do the inspection.
Probably a great idea.
I've also heard from someone hoping to find an alternate method
of compliance. I'm sure there could be many ways of doing
reinforcements.
I plan to, once my kit arrives, get it done soon. I cringe
every time I'm in turbulence. I've never had super trust in
strength of materials....valid or not. The other area that
always gets my stomach twisted are those 2 L-brackets that
hold the Horizontal Stab on at the front spar. But, I've always
figured that it must be engineered strong enough. At least
that's what I tell myself as I'm banging along in the bumps.
I'm just hoping that once this is all done, there is plenty
of strength, because it's going to be a major pain in the
rear to disassemble this, and I don't want to do it again.
So sorry, no news to add here, but I'll probably take pictures
and write it up when I do the job.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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Wish you were next door and we could tackle 2 birds at the same
time.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:03 am
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
A few people have asked me off-line if I've seen anything of the
SB or the cracks associated. Well, yesterday I was on a good x/c
trip. Quite an adventure, actually, so no, it was all news to me,
and of course, unless you're looking hard for cracks in just the
right place, you'd never catch them on an inspection, so no, I
didn't notice any on mine...but I didn't look hard at that area
either.
On person suggested using a hi-res digital camera (or HD video
cam for that matter...I just got one) to do the inspection.
Probably a great idea.
I've also heard from someone hoping to find an alternate method
of compliance. I'm sure there could be many ways of doing
reinforcements.
I plan to, once my kit arrives, get it done soon. I cringe
every time I'm in turbulence. I've never had super trust in
strength of materials....valid or not. The other area that
always gets my stomach twisted are those 2 L-brackets that
hold the Horizontal Stab on at the front spar. But, I've always
figured that it must be engineered strong enough. At least
that's what I tell myself as I'm banging along in the bumps.
I'm just hoping that once this is all done, there is plenty
of strength, because it's going to be a major pain in the
rear to disassemble this, and I don't want to do it again.
So sorry, no news to add here, but I'll probably take pictures
and write it up when I do the job.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
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| Subject: | Drilling out 1/8" rivets (was Service Bulletin 08-6-1) |
This is what I do:
1. Use #30 bit to drill into the rivet head just enough so that you can
pop it off.
2. Use #40 bit to drill into the shank of the rivet. Be careful to
drill straight. The objective is to drill out the center of the shank and
not touch the adjacent material.
3. Use a vise grip pliers on the manufactured head to pull out the now
hollow rivet shank.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (ailerons)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 11:43 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Service Bulletin 08-6-1
G'day all,
Removing AN470 rivets is greatly simplified with Avery's Rivet removal tool
(Part #40053). But removing the rivet shank without mangling the longerons
is going to be a right PITA. Anyone have any suggestions or useful
techniques for removing rivets from thick material? Driving them out has
not worked well for me in the past.
cheers
Ron
-187 (who stupidly thought he was nearly finished)
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I just got this from Ken at Van's. This explains where the damage
occurred. He said that it could possibly be because their plane is
used a little more harshly than the average because of the transition
training, that is no license to just ignore it, which I don't think
many were considering anyway. Just FYI.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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It would be great if you guys would add whether you are talking K. Scott
or K. Krueger when offering advice from VANS. Maybe they have a Ken in
shipping, Ken on cleanup and Ken in accounting. One is their propaganda
minister and the other is a certified professional aeronautical
engineer. One is fairly verbose and the other fairly quiet and
conservative.
This reminds me of many newspaper movie reviews that read "Ken G. of the
#$% says it is a summer blockbuster hit".
JC
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:21 PM
Subject: RV10-List: SB Info
I just got this from Ken at Van's. This explains where the damage
occurred. He said that it could possibly be because their plane is used
a little more harshly than the average because of the transition
training, that is no license to just ignore it, which I don't think many
were considering anyway. Just FYI.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Service Bulletin 08-6-1 |
Did the inspection tonight and all is well after 34 hours. Took about 15
minutes and was easy to get a good look with the fairing off.
Rene'
N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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