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1. 06:24 AM - Re: EIS 6000 question (Tim Olson)
2. 06:55 AM - SB 08-6-1 Inspection (Barry Marz)
3. 08:59 AM - Re: EIS 6000 question (bcondrey)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: EIS 6000 question (Tim Olson)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection (John Cox)
6. 10:18 AM - Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection ()
7. 10:39 AM - Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection (Bruce Lane)
8. 11:36 AM - SB (David McNeill)
9. 01:11 PM - Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection (pascal)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection (John Cox)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: EIS 6000 question (bcondrey)
12. 03:42 PM - pre stall buffet (David McNeill)
13. 03:47 PM - Re: IO540 need an engine? (Marcus Cooper)
14. 03:51 PM - Re: pre stall buffet (Kelly McMullen)
15. 04:23 PM - Re: pre stall buffet (Marcus Cooper)
16. 05:35 PM - Re: pre stall buffet (Tim Olson)
17. 06:43 PM - SB (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
18. 08:48 PM - Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related (Tim Olson)
19. 08:55 PM - Axle Extension Availability Update (David Hertner)
20. 09:10 PM - Re: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related (McGANN, Ron)
21. 09:16 PM - Re: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related (John Jessen)
22. 09:17 PM - Re: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related (Chris and Susie McGough)
23. 09:42 PM - Re: pre stall buffet (Dave Saylor)
24. 11:27 PM - Re: Panel extended or work-around of lower panel support flange (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS 6000 question |
Those numbers should be on a sheet that came with the sensor.
I'd give you mine, but one of my two sensors (The High
pressure one) was not the original cheap one that GRT sells, but
their more premium "Stainless Steel High Pressure Sensor",
which uses a different SF and OFF. I am not sure if that
was oil pressure or fuel pressure for that sensor though.
But either way, they have sheets for both sensor types that
show the info.
For the cheap VDO 80 and 150, this is what it says:
Set AuxSF to 182 for 150 psi sender, 91 for 80 psi sender
Set AuxOff to 29 for 150 psi sender, 15 for 80 psi sender
Set Aux Sensing to normal (+) on Options page
If the auxiliary input includes a decimal point, the pressure
displayed will be 1/10 of actual. For example, 35 psi
will be displayed as 3.5 psi.
If you don't have these sheets, I'd get them to send them to you.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Im7shannon@aol.com wrote:
> Hi
> Regarding the GRT EIS 6000/4000 could anyone tell me what scale factor
> and offset limit values you used for your fuel pressure sender?
> Thanks
> Kevin Shannon
> Taxi testing the rocket tomorrow
>
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| Subject: | SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
search. Blue Skys.
Barry Marz
18735 Baseleg AVE.
FT. Myers, Fl 33917
239-567-2271
blalmarz@embarqmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: EIS 6000 question |
For the stainless steel high pressure fuel sender (what GRT recommends for FI engines),
the SF is 63 and OFF is 51. Be aware however that there's a minor calibration
procedure to set the zero level. As I recall this involves having zero
PSI (open the mixture to guarantee this) and then setting the OFF as appropriate.
They want this done with the ambient air temp around 72 degrees F.
Bob
N442PM
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=187976#187976
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| Subject: | Re: EIS 6000 question |
That's the one I have....the SF is 63, but it doesn't just list the OFF
as 51 on my sheet, it says:
Calibrate as follows. Set AuxOff to 0. Be sure no pressure
is applied to the sensor. Note the auxiliary display.
The sensor is operating properly if the aux display is between 20-30
or 2.0-3.0 for aux displays with a decimal point.
If the aux display includes a decimal point, multiply the
reading by 20 and subtract 1. Pressure will be displayed as
1/10 of actual.
If the aux display does not have a decimal point, multiply the
reading by 2 and subtract 1. Pressure will be displayed as
actual, in units of PSI.
(There is a little more text there that I left out, but it
doesn't seem it gives the exact number)
I believe my offset was set at 47. So while you may
be able to get the SF set, I think you have to calculate
the Offset on your individual sensor.
The rest is my other post....just without the "do not arkive"
thing on the end.
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Those numbers should be on a sheet that came with the sensor.
I'd give you mine, but one of my two sensors (The High
pressure one) was not the original cheap one that GRT sells, but
their more premium "Stainless Steel High Pressure Sensor",
which uses a different SF and OFF. I am not sure if that
was oil pressure or fuel pressure for that sensor though.
But either way, they have sheets for both sensor types that
show the info.
For the cheap VDO 80 and 150, this is what it says:
Set AuxSF to 182 for 150 psi sender, 91 for 80 psi sender
Set AuxOff to 29 for 150 psi sender, 15 for 80 psi sender
Set Aux Sensing to normal (+) on Options page
If the auxiliary input includes a decimal point, the pressure
displayed will be 1/10 of actual. For example, 35 psi
will be displayed as 3.5 psi.
If you don't have these sheets, I'd get them to send them to you.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
bcondrey wrote:
> <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
>
> For the stainless steel high pressure fuel sender (what GRT
> recommends for FI engines), the SF is 63 and OFF is 51. Be aware
> however that there's a minor calibration procedure to set the zero
> level. As I recall this involves having zero PSI (open the mixture
> to guarantee this) and then setting the OFF as appropriate. They
> want this done with the ambient air temp around 72 degrees F.
>
> Bob N442PM
>
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| Subject: | SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
Barry your point is dead on. Many do not understand the urgency to
inspect (within 5) and to continue to inspect (every 25) until
compliance (at the very next Conditional). A misread could have major
impact. Share the word!
Few are getting to the root of the cause. Hopefully it was due to a
unique one of a kind, build situation. What is most important is not
allowing this alarming crack to become anything more than a simple
patch.
Stay safe. Tim could best track those who have completed it and confirm
if more than a single aircraft was affected. Sharing of what is being
found at Conditionals is of value to every single 10 builder. This
group is great at the sharing.
John Cox
Oregon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Marz
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Inspection
There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
search. Blue Skys.
Barry Marz
18735 Baseleg AVE.
FT. Myers, Fl 33917
239-567-2271
blalmarz@embarqmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
N519RV (40250)
Hobbs = 381.3, No cracks founds. Looks like it did on day one!
Ray Doerr
---- Barry Marz <blalmarz@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
> thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
> Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
> search. Blue Skys.
>
> Barry Marz
> 18735 Baseleg AVE.
> FT. Myers, Fl 33917
> 239-567-2271
> blalmarz@embarqmail.com
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| Subject: | SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
N662G
97 hours TTSN
First Flight = November 2007
No cracks or other signs of fatigue found
Bruce lane
Virginia Beach, VA
---- Barry Marz <blalmarz@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
> thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
> Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
> search. Blue Skys.
>
> Barry Marz
> 18735 Baseleg AVE.
> FT. Myers, Fl 33917
> 239-567-2271
> blalmarz@embarqmail.com
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33 hours no cracks N46007
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| Subject: | Re: SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
I may be missing the point of everyone sending in hours and no structural
crack reports and although this may be a great idea let's remember the Van's
plane saw this at 500 hours with much of those hours for transition
training. I sure would not expect many of us to see anything for a few more
hundred hours, and if it's mostly straight and level with little stall and
landing (hard at that) practice maybe not until 600-750 or more hours.
I mentioned this before, Van's rarely sends parts out to us to strengthen
what they consider a weakness in the design, so this must be a serious
concern for the engineers at Van's. Is it going to take a plane to have a
structural issue for us to heed their SB sooner than later?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bruce Lane" <bruce_a_lane@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Inspection
>
> N662G
> 97 hours TTSN
> First Flight = November 2007
> No cracks or other signs of fatigue found
>
> Bruce lane
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
> ---- Barry Marz <blalmarz@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
>> thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
>> Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
>> search. Blue Skys.
>>
>> Barry Marz
>> 18735 Baseleg AVE.
>> FT. Myers, Fl 33917
>> 239-567-2271
>> blalmarz@embarqmail.com
>>
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| Subject: | SB 08-6-1 Inspection |
N220RV is a structural issue, hence their providing a SB. It had far fewer hours
on the airframe, than on N410RV. They are not about to admit the material
thickness might be spec'ed too thin or the "heat treatment" post fabrication was
incorrect. For those who have not yet installed F1010, there are several things
that could be done to reduce the likelihood of a similar crack developing.
For those who have finished, 5/25/next Conditional should be the mantra.
Some may remember the post months ago about cracks in an initial fabricated piece
and the words from the factory to just file it, build it and "forgetaboutit".
Don't hear that on this crack...do we?
If they want reinspections every 25 hours and the crack propagated this far (since
the last Conditional), you know it showed some time ago and got missed. So
do the inspection but don't "forgetaboutit". And remember "Didn't find the crack
Yet, will keep looking!"
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Inspection
I may be missing the point of everyone sending in hours and no structural
crack reports and although this may be a great idea let's remember the Van's
plane saw this at 500 hours with much of those hours for transition
training. I sure would not expect many of us to see anything for a few more
hundred hours, and if it's mostly straight and level with little stall and
landing (hard at that) practice maybe not until 600-750 or more hours.
I mentioned this before, Van's rarely sends parts out to us to strengthen
what they consider a weakness in the design, so this must be a serious
concern for the engineers at Van's. Is it going to take a plane to have a
structural issue for us to heed their SB sooner than later?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bruce Lane" <bruce_a_lane@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: SB 08-6-1 Inspection
>
> N662G
> 97 hours TTSN
> First Flight = November 2007
> No cracks or other signs of fatigue found
>
> Bruce lane
> Virginia Beach, VA
>
>
> ---- Barry Marz <blalmarz@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There are quite a few threads on this SB. Why don't we use this
>> thread to keep track of what people find when they do the inspection?
>> Just list A/C time and results and we can track the problem with one
>> search. Blue Skys.
>>
>> Barry Marz
>> 18735 Baseleg AVE.
>> FT. Myers, Fl 33917
>> 239-567-2271
>> blalmarz@embarqmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EIS 6000 question |
I don't have the sheet in front of my but Tim's info sounds right. I was simply
providing my settings. They may or may not work for you; My initial fuel sender
used these numbers and after a couple of hours failed. GRT was great and
shipped me another one immediately and coincidently it used the same OFF calibration.
Bob
N442PM
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188007#188007
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| Subject: | pre stall buffet |
As I have worked the approach speeds lower, I believe I am getting pre stall
buffeting. During the test period my approaches were at 80 kts and half
flaps and 75 kts over the numbers in the flare. I did not notice a vibration
in the tail and/or flaps on the left side. Recently I have gone to half
flaps and 70 kts on short final and into the flare. I feel a slight
vibration in the controls prior to touchdown. Since I have been flying it
was imprudent to turn my head to look at the left rear of the aircraft.
Anyone else have a similar experience? I plan to get my flying partner to
land tthe airplane while I observe the rear of the aircraft.
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| Subject: | IO540 need an engine? |
I wish this had been around when I was looking for an engine! I used to leave
in the town over from Ly-Con and they are a great outfit. It would certainly
be worth asking about when it was overhauled and who's providing the warranty,
but I would jump at this in a heartbeat (and no they don't know me and there's
no kickback, unfortunately). I worked with a couple guys from Ly-Con on my
Skybolt's IO-540 when I did a top overhaul and learned a lot of good things about
them. One final caveat, my experience was in 1998 so things may have changed.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: IO540 need an engine?
Good price if you don't mind a narrow deck engine and unknown
preservation/storage. Not to mention all the choices about parts used
etc. already made for you.
Good if you are ready to install, not so good if you are a year or two
away from finishing.
On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lycoming-IO-540-D4A5-0-SMOH-by-Ly-Con-FREE-SHIPPING_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26437QQihZ002QQitemZ120270111673QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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| Subject: | Re: pre stall buffet |
What stall speed did you derive in your flight testing with full flaps,
at gross? I see Van's claims 57mph.
How about straight ahead stall speed coordinated with half flaps?
David McNeill wrote:
> As I have worked the approach speeds lower, I believe I am getting pre
> stall buffeting. During the test period my approaches were at 80 kts
> and half flaps and 75 kts over the numbers in the flare. I did not
> notice a vibration in the tail and/or flaps on the left side. Recently
> I have gone to half flaps and 70 kts on short final and into the
> flare. I feel a slight vibration in the controls prior to touchdown.
> Since I have been flying it was imprudent to turn my head to look at
> the left rear of the aircraft. Anyone else have a similar experience?
> I plan to get my flying partner to land tthe airplane while I observe
> the rear of the aircraft.
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| Subject: | pre stall buffet |
You may want to do some more stall testing at altitude to see what it's
really doing. Being in ground effect should really change any buffet
sensations in my opinion. FWIW I don't get any buffet at any flap
configuration prior to the stall horn which comes on just prior to the
stall.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: pre stall buffet
As I have worked the approach speeds lower, I believe I am getting pre stall
buffeting. During the test period my approaches were at 80 kts and half
flaps and 75 kts over the numbers in the flare. I did not notice a vibration
in the tail and/or flaps on the left side. Recently I have gone to half
flaps and 70 kts on short final and into the flare. I feel a slight
vibration in the controls prior to touchdown. Since I have been flying it
was imprudent to turn my head to look at the left rear of the aircraft.
Anyone else have a similar experience? I plan to get my flying partner to
land tthe airplane while I observe the rear of the aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: pre stall buffet |
Same here....and approaches at 70kts and up are definitely comfortable.
Lower than 70kts and it sinks fast, but you can approach without
buffet at less than 70kts.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Marcus Cooper wrote:
> You may want to do some more stall testing at altitude to see what its
> really doing. Being in ground effect should really change any buffet
> sensations in my opinion. FWIW I dont get any buffet at any flap
> configuration prior to the stall horn which comes on just prior to the
> stall.
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> Marcus
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:39 PM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: pre stall buffet
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> As I have worked the approach speeds lower, I believe I am getting pre
> stall buffeting. During the test period my approaches were at 80 kts and
> half flaps and 75 kts over the numbers in the flare. I did not notice a
> vibration in the tail and/or flaps on the left side. Recently I have
> gone to half flaps and 70 kts on short final and into the flare. I feel
> a slight vibration in the controls prior to touchdown. Since I have been
> flying it was imprudent to turn my head to look at the left rear of the
> aircraft. Anyone else have a similar experience? I plan to get my flying
> partner to land tthe airplane while I observe the rear of the aircraft.
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N184JM
65 hrs and no cracks.
Great borescope tool is the SeeSnake offered by Home Depot for under $200!
grumpy
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| Subject: | Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related |
A fellow RV'er emailed me today to give me some sad news from
South Australia. One of our RV-10 builder brothers from West
Australia, Indran Chelvanayagam, has unfortunately passed. He
had looked forward to meeting many of us again at OSH, which
is where I first met him about 3 or 4 seasons ago. He was a
very friendly person, and I believe he did some good humanitarian
work in other countries for many people. He talked of all of
his American RV friends with great fondness. He was also a mentor
to some of the other builders in West Australia. His passing
was not aviation related. While I have no details, the way it
was put to me was "unfortunately Indran was suffering with depression
unbeknown to all his friends in our local town". I'm sure he
probably did not realize what a loss his fellow builders would
feel.
--
Tim Olson
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| Subject: | Axle Extension Availability Update |
Jessie and Everyone,
I followed up on Jessie's request for more information on the RV-10 Axle
Extensions that are available through Cleaveland Aircraft Tools.
They have been added to the website and can be found under the product
number: RVAE10 They can be found under New Items or Aircraft Accessories.
Mike Lauritsen asked me to apologize for not having it listed sooner.
Dave Hertner
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| Subject: | Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related |
Tim - I did not know. I really don't know what to say.
I'm sure most, (if not all) of the -10 community in Australia has had
some interaction with Indran. Always positive, always constructive and
always willing to help - he will be missed. The Oz -10 community is
small and close-nit indeed. A very sad day for us here.
Ron
South Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, 16 June 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related
A fellow RV'er emailed me today to give me some sad news from South
Australia. One of our RV-10 builder brothers from West Australia,
Indran Chelvanayagam, has unfortunately passed. He had looked forward
to meeting many of us again at OSH, which is where I first met him about
3 or 4 seasons ago. He was a very friendly person, and I believe he did
some good humanitarian work in other countries for many people. He
talked of all of his American RV friends with great fondness. He was
also a mentor to some of the other builders in West Australia. His
passing was not aviation related. While I have no details, the way it
was put to me was "unfortunately Indran was suffering with depression
unbeknown to all his friends in our local town". I'm sure he probably
did not realize what a loss his fellow builders would feel.
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Tim Olson
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| Subject: | Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related |
Sad news. Very sad news. Any way we can jointly send a message to his
family? Might help a little.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Indran Chelvanayagam, has unfortunately passed.
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| Subject: | Re: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related |
What a shock he was a top bloke and we were going to catch up with him in
Aug when we fly around AUS .
Such a shame.
Chris Susie and Darcy
VH-ICy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Lost one of our brothers - NOT aviation related
>
> A fellow RV'er emailed me today to give me some sad news from
> South Australia. One of our RV-10 builder brothers from West
> Australia, Indran Chelvanayagam, has unfortunately passed. He
> had looked forward to meeting many of us again at OSH, which
> is where I first met him about 3 or 4 seasons ago. He was a
> very friendly person, and I believe he did some good humanitarian
> work in other countries for many people. He talked of all of
> his American RV friends with great fondness. He was also a mentor
> to some of the other builders in West Australia. His passing
> was not aviation related. While I have no details, the way it
> was put to me was "unfortunately Indran was suffering with depression
> unbeknown to all his friends in our local town". I'm sure he
> probably did not realize what a loss his fellow builders would
> feel.
>
> --
> Tim Olson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | pre stall buffet |
Last week we recalibrated our AOA which required stalls clean and dirty. At
2400 lbs, 3000' DA , clean was at 62 KIAS, Dirty was 54KIAS. Approaching at
70 with the flaps down shouldn't be anywhere close to a stall, but Marcus is
right, you should do some more testing at altitude.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 3:39 PM
Subject: RV10-List: pre stall buffet
As I have worked the approach speeds lower, I believe I am getting pre stall
buffeting. During the test period my approaches were at 80 kts and half
flaps and 75 kts over the numbers in the flare. I did not notice a vibration
in the tail and/or flaps on the left side. Recently I have gone to half
flaps and 70 kts on short final and into the flare. I feel a slight
vibration in the controls prior to touchdown. Since I have been flying it
was imprudent to turn my head to look at the left rear of the aircraft.
Anyone else have a similar experience? I plan to get my flying partner to
land tthe airplane while I observe the rear of the aircraft.
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| Subject: | Re: Panel extended or work-around of lower panel support flange |
I am not so sure about the placement of those vents.
I think that they might fall more easily under the panel lower flange
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Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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