---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/20/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 2. 07:56 AM - Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available (johngoodman) 3. 08:56 AM - Re: HID replacement lights (James, Peter [SD]) 4. 09:16 AM - Re: HID replacement lights (Tim Olson) 5. 09:20 AM - Re: HIDs (Chris Johnston) 6. 09:26 AM - Re: HID replacement lights (pascal) 7. 09:26 AM - Re: HID replacement lights (pascal) 8. 09:46 AM - Re: HIDs (RV Builder (Michael Sausen)) 9. 10:23 AM - billet door guide fasteners (steve dinieri) 10. 10:26 AM - Re: HIDs (Tim Olson) 11. 10:34 AM - Re: HID replacement lights (David McNeill) 12. 10:49 AM - Re: HIDs (Bill DeRouchey) 13. 10:59 AM - Re: HIDs (Deems Davis) 14. 11:11 AM - Re: HIDs (David McNeill) 15. 11:19 AM - HID install (David McNeill) 16. 12:21 PM - Re: billet door guide fasteners (David Maib) 17. 02:23 PM - Hartzell Prop (John Dunne) 18. 03:10 PM - Re: Hartzell Prop (pascal) 19. 07:38 PM - Re: HID install (GenGrumpy@AOL.COM) 20. 09:38 PM - alternator belt (David McNeill) 21. 10:39 PM - Re: alternator belt (Deems Davis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:45 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available Ya, but it's the massive $5 discount on the weekly ticket that gets you a brat. HA -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available Not too bad of a discount, $2 a day times 5 days = enough to get that first bottle of water for free!! Rick Sked ----- Original Message ----- From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:07:33 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available Ya, massive discount too. Is it the end of their fiscal year? :) Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available dlm46007(at)cox.net wrote: > You may be right about the attendance. There seems to be a lot of emphasis > on early purchase of tickets. > > -- That must be why they extended the discount period [Laughing] -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188655#188655 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: OSH camping status .... lots of space available From: "johngoodman" You talking about the "Big Taste Grill" truck from Johnsonville Brats? msausen wrote: > Ya, but it's the massive $5 discount on the weekly ticket that gets you a brat. HA > > -- -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=188758#188758 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:10 AM PST US From: "James, Peter [SD]" Subject: re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights David, Stop it already! Every time I think I am done buying 'goodies' for my plan e, somebody comes up with one of those have to have it items that cost me m ore money! So tell us, what is the heat output of the HID vs. the stock Halogen's? I am concerned about the heat warping the fiberglass wingtip....and I am sure others are concerned and would like to know also. Pete (not sure where I'm at anymore - too many little things left to do!) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:12 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights HID's are far cooler than Halogens....far cooler, which is one of their benefits. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive James, Peter [SD] wrote: > > > David, > > > > Stop it already! Every time I think I am done buying goodies for my > plane, somebody comes up with one of those have to have it items that > cost me more money! > > > > So tell us, what is the heat output of the HID vs. the stock Halogens? > I am concerned about the heat warping the fiberglass wingtip.and I am > sure others are concerned and would like to know also. > > Pete > > (not sure where Im at anymore too many little things left to do!) > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: HIDs From: "Chris Johnston" That's very impressive. I almost wish I hadn't cut my leading edges for the Duckworks lights! cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: HIDs before and after pictures of my 10 are on http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:43 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights Check out their site for some other questions. I had the same thought and recall they had a Q& A Q:Do they get hot A: Yes, but the heat is directly equivalent to the power being applied. If your original application was designed for a 55w halogen, then going to a 35w or a 50w HID should not generate a significant amount more heat than the original halogen. From: James, Peter [SD] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights David, Stop it already! Every time I think I am done buying 'goodies' for my plane, somebody comes up with one of those have to have it items that cost me more money! So tell us, what is the heat output of the HID vs. the stock Halogen's? I am concerned about the heat warping the fiberglass wingtip..and I am sure others are concerned and would like to know also. Pete (not sure where I'm at anymore - too many little things left to do!) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:55 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights forgot the link.. has the wig-wag answer as well http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=684 From: James, Peter [SD] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights David, Stop it already! Every time I think I am done buying 'goodies' for my plane, somebody comes up with one of those have to have it items that cost me more money! So tell us, what is the heat output of the HID vs. the stock Halogen's? I am concerned about the heat warping the fiberglass wingtip..and I am sure others are concerned and would like to know also. Pete (not sure where I'm at anymore - too many little things left to do!) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:56 AM PST US From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" Subject: RE: RV10-List: HIDs You could use one set for taxi and the other for landing. In combination y ou can start a nuclear reaction. :) Michael Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Johnston Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: HIDs That's very impressive. I almost wish I hadn't cut my leading edges for th e Duckworks lights! cj -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: RV10-List: HIDs before and after pictures of my 10 are on http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 - The RV10-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - Thank you for your generous support! -Matt Dralle, List Admin. --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:38 AM PST US From: "steve dinieri" Subject: RV10-List: billet door guide fasteners hi all, another lister who bought some of my door guides brought up a good point. he was concerned about the attach screws that I use and their strength, and more importantly the quality ( consistency ). I buy most hardware from mcmaster carr , and after a little searching found a stainless fastener of the same size but mil spec and rated at 80k tensile strength. I'm switching to this screw and am inviting all who bought door guides to drop me an email with your address and I'll send out the new hardware. sorry I don't keep personal info after the sale... Steven DiNieri iflyrv10.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:39 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs Yes, but NOT going into the wingtips still gives a little better coverage pattern, and more NAV/Anti-Collision light options. But, these sure make the Van's standard halogen lights worthless in comparison. At least with these you have plenty of light. What you don't want is a narrow focused beam, you want brightness and coverage across the front of the plane. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: > Thats very impressive. I almost wish I hadnt cut my leading edges for > the Duckworks lights! > > > > cj > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill > *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:22 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: HIDs > > > > before and after pictures of my 10 are on > > > > http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > * - The RV10-List Email Forum -* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > > ** > > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > > * Thank you for your generous support!* > > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:58 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: HID replacement lights the replacement HID seems to have less radiated heat to the fiberglass tip. When testing the lights I placed my hand about 1.5" ahead of the tip of the light (lens off) and it became hot; but , for unknown reasons the HID did not heat the strobe glass directly in front of it. going flying tonight so will have more info later. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Peter [SD] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: re: RV10-List: HID replacement lights David, Stop it already! Every time I think I am done buying 'goodies' for my plane, somebody comes up with one of those have to have it items that cost me more money! So tell us, what is the heat output of the HID vs. the stock Halogen's? I am concerned about the heat warping the fiberglass wingtip..and I am sure others are concerned and would like to know also. Pete (not sure where I'm at anymore - too many little things left to do!) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:05 AM PST US From: Bill DeRouchey Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs I looked at the vendor website and the picture of the stock Vans looks susp icious. My stock Vans lights look far, far better than shown. I would judge the Vans option as barely adequate. - Bill N939SB, flying - --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs Yes, but NOT going into the wingtips still gives a little better coverage pattern, and more NAV/Anti-Collision light options. But, these sure make the Van's standard halogen lights worthless in comparison. At least with these you have plenty of light. What you don't want is a narrow focused beam, you want brightness and coverage across the front of the plane. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: > That=A2s very impressive. I almost wish I hadn=A2t cut my leading edges for > the Duckworks lights! > > > > cj > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeil l > *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:22 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: HIDs > > > > before and after pictures of my 10 are on > > > > http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > * - The RV10-List Email Forum -* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > > ** > > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > > * Thank you for your generous support!* > > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:18 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs Depending on what Duckworks option you have, they may have a solutions already, Their website say's they have a replacement for the 4" lights. Deems Davis # 406 'Its all done....Its just not put together' http://deemsrv10.com/ Chris Johnston wrote: > > Thats very impressive. I almost wish I hadnt cut my leading edges > for the Duckworks lights! > > cj > > * > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:46 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: HIDs I am not sure what wattage bulbs Vans supplies. Mine were 55w; checked them when removed. Whatever they were, they significantly heated the exterior of the tip even with the protective aluminum foil installed. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill DeRouchey Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs I looked at the vendor website and the picture of the stock Vans looks suspicious. My stock Vans lights look far, far better than shown. I would judge the Vans option as barely adequate. Bill N939SB, flying --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Tim Olson wrote: From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: HIDs Yes, but NOT going into the wingtips still gives a little better coverage pattern, and more NAV/Anti-Collision light options. But, these sure make the Van's standard halogen lights worthless in comparison. At least with these you have plenty of light. What you don't want is a narrow focused beam, you want brightness and coverage across the front of the plane. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Chris Johnston wrote: > That?s very impressive. I almost wish I hadn?t cut my leading edges for > the Duckworks lights! > > > > cj > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *David McNeill > *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:22 PM > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV10-List: HIDs > > > > before and after pictures of my 10 are on > > > > http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=661 > > * * > > * * > > ** > > * - The RV10-List Email Forum -* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List* > > ** > > * - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -* > > ** > > * --> http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > * - List Contribution Web Site -* > > * Thank you for your generous support!* > > * -Matt Dralle, List Admin.* > > * --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > > * ========== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:19:00 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: HID install The total install took three hours from wingtip removal to wingtip installation. the ballast was installed as shown on http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=685 . The ballast is threaded for 8-32 screws and I used an NAS variety available from Spruce with both Phillips internal and external hex head. I installed the screws from inside the tip rib with a small ratchet available from HF. I used a washer under the head of the screw and on the outside of the rib to provide an offset of the ballast from the tip itself. As the site indicates there is an audible whine for less than 10 seconds while it warms. No RFI was observed but will check again tonight when flying. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:42 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: billet door guide fasteners Hi Steve, Please send the new screws to me at: David Maib 1314 Marquette Ave., #2805 Minneapolis, MN 55403 Thanks! David On Friday, June 20, 2008, at 12:31PM, steve dinieri wrote: > ><> ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:49 PM PST US From: "John Dunne" Subject: RV10-List: Hartzell Prop Guys, a few have been asking the question about composite props so I thought I'd pass this reply from Hartzell on to the list. John 40315 (final not so fun bits) ------------------------------ "John, Sam Gascho forwarded me your e-mail. I am the account rep for Hartzell Propeller that handles Vans. We should have a composite 3-blade prop on an RV-10 in the next month. The same builder is also testing a 2-blade prop on his RV-4. I am waiting on data from that test. The one comment that he did share was how much smoother the 2-blade composite prop is compared to his 2-blade metal. Are you getting a lot of requests from builders in Australia for a Hartzell composite prop? Vans has not decided if they want to offer our composite prop. I've asked RV builders that call me for a composite prop to e-mail or call Vans asking it the plan to offer the Hartzell composite prop. I should have some test data on the RV-4 soon, and RV-10 data in the next month. Please feel free to check back with me. Regards, Kevin Karam Account Representative Hartzell Propeller, Inc. (P) +1-937-778-5731 (F) +1-937-778-4321 kkaram@hartzellprop.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:41 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hartzell Prop Just another reason for builders to call and send e-mails to Van's to offer the prop for RV-10's. If there is enough demand (price being the factor) Van's may very well offer it.. Not sure why the hesitation, it's not like they have a MT on one of there planes and hence only sell what they have tested. From: John Dunne Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RV10-List: Hartzell Prop Guys, a few have been asking the question about composite props so I thought I'd pass this reply from Hartzell on to the list. John 40315 (final not so fun bits) ------------------------------ "John, Sam Gascho forwarded me your e-mail. I am the account rep for Hartzell Propeller that handles Vans. We should have a composite 3-blade prop on an RV-10 in the next month. The same builder is also testing a 2-blade prop on his RV-4. I am waiting on data from that test. The one comment that he did share was how much smoother the 2-blade composite prop is compared to his 2-blade metal. Are you getting a lot of requests from builders in Australia for a Hartzell composite prop? Vans has not decided if they want to offer our composite prop. I've asked RV builders that call me for a composite prop to e-mail or call Vans asking it the plan to offer the Hartzell composite prop. I should have some test data on the RV-4 soon, and RV-10 data in the next month. Please feel free to check back with me. Regards, Kevin Karam Account Representative Hartzell Propeller, Inc. (P) +1-937-778-5731 (F) +1-937-778-4321 kkaram@hartzellprop.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:36 PM PST US From: GenGrumpy@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: HID install Thanks, Dave. Great pictures to boot. I'm half way through the SB, what a pain in the royal butt this is...... In a message dated 6/20/2008 1:21:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, dlm46007@cox.net writes: The total install took three hours from wingtip removal to wingtip installation. the ballast was installed as shown on _http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=685_ (http://www.planelights.com/index.php?id=685) . The ballast is threaded for 8-32 screws and I used an NAS variety available from Spruce with both Phillips internal and external hex head. I installed the screws from inside the tip rib with a small ratchet available from HF. I used a washer under the head of the screw and on the outside of the rib to provide an offset of the ballast from the tip itself. As the site indicates there is an audible whine for less than 10 seconds while it warms. No RFI was observed but will check again tonight when flying. (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:54 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: alternator belt What is the alternator belt for the IO540; seems like there was a Gates number? ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:44 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: alternator belt David, the belt that came w/ my B&C alternator is marked : 7365 GATES XL 110925 Deems David McNeill wrote: > What is the alternator belt for the IO540; seems like there was a > Gates number? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.