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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Off topic - Need a qucik 'fix'??? (linn Walters)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Quick Question (linn Walters)
3. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: RNO ()
4. 12:41 PM - Re: Quick Question (William Curtis)
5. 03:04 PM - Re: Quick Question (Kelly McMullen)
6. 03:55 PM - Re: Quick Question (John Cox)
7. 06:48 PM - Re: Quick Question (linn Walters)
8. 06:49 PM - Re: Quick Question (Rick Sked)
9. 06:53 PM - Re: Quick Question (bcondrey)
10. 07:12 PM - Re: Quick Question (Tim Olson)
11. 07:20 PM - Re: Quick Question (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
12. 07:43 PM - Re: Quick Question (Kelly McMullen)
13. 08:11 PM - Re: Quick Question (Rick Sked)
14. 08:46 PM - Re: Quick Question (John Jessen)
15. 08:56 PM - Re: Quick Question (Kelly McMullen)
16. 08:59 PM - Re: Quick Question (Rick Sked)
17. 09:13 PM - Re: Quick Question (Rick Sked)
18. 09:23 PM - Re: Quick Question (McGANN, Ron)
19. 09:24 PM - Re: Quick Question (Deems Davis)
20. 09:36 PM - Re: Quick Question (Rick Sked)
21. 10:19 PM - Re: Quick Question (John Jessen)
22. 11:12 PM - Re: SB work (AirMike)
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic - Need a qucik 'fix'??? |
That video was created to support the FAA's 'safer free flight'
program. They control the pitch so no aircraft will fly into the
'granite clouds'. :-)
Part of their accident reduction program.
Linn
Rick Sked wrote:
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> Very cool, just wish I could control the pitch...
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> From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
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> Subject: RV10-List: Off topic - Need a qucik 'fix'???
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> So you're staring at the monitor and craving an aviation fix???
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
Kelly McMullen wrote:
> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but
> don't want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks.
True .... but they'll use the squeezer far more often than the jacks.
> Aircraft GSE makes some really nice ones for about the same as Jack
> House and others.
> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under
> $200.
That's a nice jack.
> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
> YMMV, BWTFDIK
You obviously know you can't hold up a 1600lb airplane by
yourself!!! But if you've already spent $600 for the squeezer, $60
for two jacks plus some steel and time is really easy on your wallet.
Not to belabor the point, but we (the collective 'we') build things, and
are just as capable of making safe jackstands as anyone else.
The storebought jackstands do have the spring-loaded wheels which makes
it much easier to move around.
Linn
>
> linn Walters wrote:
>> Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
>> 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends
>> of suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the
>> base corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the
>> upper end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure
>> to label "experimental"!!! ;-)
>> Linn
>> do not archive
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Thanks. I used Jet West. Interesting approach into RNO. Ceilings were about 3000
OVC but visibility was fluctuating between 1 and 1/4 to 1 and 1/2 due to fires
in CA. Had 10 on AP until about 20 south of FMG. I don't trust these APs so
hand flew the approach LOC 16R-2 using the Cheltons until the end of 16R appeared
in the murk. All of the precision approaches at RNO have much higher minimums
than standard ILS because of the inability of many aircraft to fly the
miss and departure procedures at 200 and 1/4. minimums.
---- AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
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> Jet West is pretty good. Gas is a bit pricey, but they will give you a lift over
to the terminal to get a Hertz or Avis.
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> Another good alternative is TRK (Truckee) - Cheaper gas and an on-field Hertz
local edition which is pretty reasonable and FAST. TRK is 40 miles out from RNO,
but a nice drive and a good airport.
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> I am building at Incline Village on Lake Tahoe
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> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
You will use that pneumatic squeezer a whole lot and it will make a lot of tedious
work very easy. Jacks on the other hand would be used by a pilot owner MUCH
less often. And after all, you would be flying a "homemade" plane, why should
you have less faith in your "homemade" jacks?
Aircraft jacks for $360 for a pilot/owner (not a maintenance facility) makes about
as much sense as those powered aircraft tows for $2,000 when a good new John
Deer tractor with a tow hitch can be had for around $1,500. At least you can
also use the John Deer to plow the snow from your hangar entrance in the winter
and oh yeah, maybe mow the lawn.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but don't
> want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks. Aircraft GSE makes some
> really nice ones for about the same as Jack House and others.
> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under $200.
> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
> YMMV, BWTFDIK
>
> linn Walters wrote:
> > Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
> > 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends of
> > suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the base
> > corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the upper
> > end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure to
> > label "experimental"!!! ;-)
> > Linn
> > do not archive
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
Probably heresy on my part, but after the build is complete, you will
hardly ever use that squeezer, and could easily sell it to another
builder to more than finance the single jack you need for tire
changing and have enough cash left for a hamburger run or two. And
just as we all choose to build and most choose to do their own
maintenance, for the years I've owned a retract plane, I saved far
more doing my own gear maintenance a single time than what the jacks
cost me (got a special of $300 for the pair). Lessee, $360 is what
percent on a $150K RV-10? Compared to a single hole punched in a wing
from a jack failing? Or an arm caught under an axle? We all make our
choices for our risk tolerance and pay our money. No one right choice,
just offering an alternative point of view.
Kelly
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> You will use that pneumatic squeezer a whole lot and it will make a lot of tedious
work very easy. Jacks on the other hand would be used by a pilot owner
MUCH less often. And after all, you would be flying a "homemade" plane, why should
you have less faith in your "homemade" jacks?
>
> Aircraft jacks for $360 for a pilot/owner (not a maintenance facility) makes
about as much sense as those powered aircraft tows for $2,000 when a good new
John Deer tractor with a tow hitch can be had for around $1,500. At least you
can also use the John Deer to plow the snow from your hangar entrance in the
winter and oh yeah, maybe mow the lawn.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but don't
>> want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks. Aircraft GSE makes some
>> really nice ones for about the same as Jack House and others.
>> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
>> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under $200.
>> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
>> YMMV, BWTFDIK
>>
>> linn Walters wrote:
>> > Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
>> > 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends of
>> > suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the base
>> > corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the upper
>> > end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure to
>> > label "experimental"!!! ;-)
>> > Linn
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>
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Will make good on Kelly's prudent offer to finance Jacks by sale of Squeezers.
Interested parties, Contact me at (503) 453-6016. I can always use a few more pneumatics
and have lots of clients looking for squeezers. Boeing Surplus went
south on us "out here in the West". I encourage active, cognizant jack operations.
Have a close friend (and A&P instructor) who lost a wing spar on a twin
Apache by use of a cheap bottle jack while using student labor. It failed the
gear retraction test as the jack remained mostly upright after a slight loss
of position, until it destroyed the spar. Ouch!
John Cox
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Probably heresy on my part, but after the build is complete, you will
hardly ever use that squeezer, and could easily sell it to another
builder to more than finance the single jack you need for tire
changing and have enough cash left for a hamburger run or two. And
just as we all choose to build and most choose to do their own
maintenance, for the years I've owned a retract plane, I saved far
more doing my own gear maintenance a single time than what the jacks
cost me (got a special of $300 for the pair). Lessee, $360 is what
percent on a $150K RV-10? Compared to a single hole punched in a wing
from a jack failing? Or an arm caught under an axle? We all make our
choices for our risk tolerance and pay our money. No one right choice,
just offering an alternative point of view.
Kelly
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> You will use that pneumatic squeezer a whole lot and it will make a lot of tedious
work very easy. Jacks on the other hand would be used by a pilot owner
MUCH less often. And after all, you would be flying a "homemade" plane, why should
you have less faith in your "homemade" jacks?
>
> Aircraft jacks for $360 for a pilot/owner (not a maintenance facility) makes
about as much sense as those powered aircraft tows for $2,000 when a good new
John Deer tractor with a tow hitch can be had for around $1,500. At least you
can also use the John Deer to plow the snow from your hangar entrance in the
winter and oh yeah, maybe mow the lawn.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but don't
>> want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks. Aircraft GSE makes some
>> really nice ones for about the same as Jack House and others.
>> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
>> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under $200.
>> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
>> YMMV, BWTFDIK
>>
>> linn Walters wrote:
>> > Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
>> > 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends of
>> > suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the base
>> > corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the upper
>> > end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure to
>> > label "experimental"!!! ;-)
>> > Linn
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>
>
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John Cox wrote:
>
> Will make good on Kelly's prudent offer to finance Jacks by sale of Squeezers.
>
> Interested parties, Contact me at (503) 453-6016. I can always use a few more
pneumatics and have lots of clients looking for squeezers. Boeing Surplus went
south on us "out here in the West". I encourage active, cognizant jack operations.
Have a close friend (and A&P instructor) who lost a wing spar on a twin
Apache by use of a cheap bottle jack while using student labor.
I think the 'student labor' was probably the operative word. I agree
that improper jacking is hazardous to your airplanes health. I saw an
airplane jacked up for a retract test, teetering on the jacks with the
tail tied down with rope .... and the A&P climbs in to pull the gear
up. The whole airplane slowly rotated and settled on the wheels .....
cockeyed in the hangar ..... and couldn't be rolled out!
You need three points jacked firmly up for stability, and the jack bases
need to be large enough so they won't tip. If you're going to use the
tail tiedown ring ..... use a metal tub with concrete in it and a pipe
sticking up .... with an eye or hook on the other end. Prevents the
tail from swinging. Three solid points almost guarantees a good, stable
lift. The type of jacking points on the wing are also critical.
Whatever you choose, inverted cone (ala Piper) or a pin .... whatever
.... needs to fit the top of the jack too.
> It failed the gear retraction test as the jack remained mostly upright after
a slight loss of position, until it destroyed the spar. Ouch!
>
I watched a 'crew' of hangar rats try to lift a Baron off the runway
after a gear up landing ..... you know the 'expert' types ..... and the
plane slipped off the jacks and .... fuel tank developed a large
leak!!! I watched because nobody would listen .....
John's correct ..... jacking your aircraft is an unnatural act and
should be approached with caution ..... but like anything else the
operation can end up in the toilet if you're not careful.
Linn
> John Cox
> Do not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:00:36 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Probably heresy on my part, but after the build is complete, you will
hardly ever use that squeezer, and could easily sell it to another
builder to more than finance the single jack you need for tire
changing and have enough cash left for a hamburger run or two. And
just as we all choose to build and most choose to do their own
maintenance, for the years I've owned a retract plane, I saved far
more doing my own gear maintenance a single time than what the jacks
cost me (got a special of $300 for the pair). Lessee, $360 is what
percent on a $150K RV-10? Compared to a single hole punched in a wing
from a jack failing? Or an arm caught under an axle? We all make our
choices for our risk tolerance and pay our money. No one right choice,
just offering an alternative point of view.
Kelly
do not archive
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>
> You will use that pneumatic squeezer a whole lot and it will make a lot of tedious
work very easy. Jacks on the other hand would be used by a pilot owner
MUCH less often. And after all, you would be flying a "homemade" plane, why should
you have less faith in your "homemade" jacks?
>
> Aircraft jacks for $360 for a pilot/owner (not a maintenance facility) makes
about as much sense as those powered aircraft tows for $2,000 when a good new
John Deer tractor with a tow hitch can be had for around $1,500. At least you
can also use the John Deer to plow the snow from your hangar entrance in the
winter and oh yeah, maybe mow the lawn.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>>
>> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but don't
>> want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks. Aircraft GSE makes some
>> really nice ones for about the same as Jack House and others.
>> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
>> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under $200.
>> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
>> YMMV, BWTFDIK
>>
>> linn Walters wrote:
>> > Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
>> > 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends of
>> > suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the base
>> > corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the upper
>> > end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure to
>> > label "experimental"!!! ;-)
>> > Linn
>> > do not archive
>> >
>> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
Wow, who would have thought that a simple question would have generated so many
responses- thanks Gary for the specific data!
I appreciate those that suggested a variety of approaches to jacks (both online
and offline). My issue is that I have been out of town a LOT lately for work
and at this point I just don't want to use the little bit of spare time I have
to build jacks. I ordered a pair from JackHouse and should have them early
next week.
An interesting observation about the wheelpants & gearleg fairings is that most
people focus on the speed increase. Another major, but unspoken, benefit is
that you get significant increased cooling from the extra speed/airflow at the
same power settings.
Thanks again to those that responded.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190009#190009
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
if you have a perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
I suspect this happened to all of us.......I'm about 25% over what I
originally thought.....but I wouldn't change what I have done.....
grumpy
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In a message dated 6/26/2008 9:13:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
Tim@MyRV10.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com>
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
if you have a perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
> --> RV10-List message posted by: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question |
Well, I just saw a kit for sale on airport bulletin board...everything
except avionics from what I could gather, and definitely at the
finishing stage, for asking price of $100K, including new certified
engine and lighting installed.
So I just threw a figure out there I figure could be achieved with
Van's theoretical VFR machine...not the panels that out do Cirrus et
al. I know that many folks are pushing or exceeding 200K. Just didn't
want to look like I was inflating figures.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@gmail.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:00:36 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
>
>
> Probably heresy on my part, but after the build is complete, you will
> hardly ever use that squeezer, and could easily sell it to another
> builder to more than finance the single jack you need for tire
> changing and have enough cash left for a hamburger run or two. And
> just as we all choose to build and most choose to do their own
> maintenance, for the years I've owned a retract plane, I saved far
> more doing my own gear maintenance a single time than what the jacks
> cost me (got a special of $300 for the pair). Lessee, $360 is what
> percent on a $150K RV-10? Compared to a single hole punched in a wing
> from a jack failing? Or an arm caught under an axle? We all make our
> choices for our risk tolerance and pay our money. No one right choice,
> just offering an alternative point of view.
> Kelly
> do not archive
>
> On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 12:53 PM, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
>>
>> You will use that pneumatic squeezer a whole lot and it will make a lot of tedious
work very easy. Jacks on the other hand would be used by a pilot owner
MUCH less often. And after all, you would be flying a "homemade" plane, why
should you have less faith in your "homemade" jacks?
>>
>> Aircraft jacks for $360 for a pilot/owner (not a maintenance facility) makes
about as much sense as those powered aircraft tows for $2,000 when a good new
John Deer tractor with a tow hitch can be had for around $1,500. At least you
can also use the John Deer to plow the snow from your hangar entrance in the
winter and oh yeah, maybe mow the lawn.
>>
>> William
>> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>
>>> I don't know. Folks will spend $600+ for a pneumatic squeezer, but don't
>>> want to spend ~360 for a good pair of jacks. Aircraft GSE makes some
>>> really nice ones for about the same as Jack House and others.
>>> http://www.aircraft-gse.com/lw-3.html
>>> If you only need one for tire changing, you can do that too, for under $200.
>>> I don't want a 1600lb plane falling on me from a homemade jack.
>>> YMMV, BWTFDIK
>>>
>>> linn Walters wrote:
>>> > Buy the Harbor Freight tall bottle jacks and make your own
>>> > 'stabilizer' out of a foot square piece of steel. Flatten the ends of
>>> > suitable lengths of 1/2" EMT and use pieces of angle iron on the base
>>> > corners and at the upper end ..... large hose clamp to hold the upper
>>> > end or make a huge ''washer" to attach the angles to. Be sure to
>>> > label "experimental"!!! ;-)
>>> > Linn
>>> > do not archive
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
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Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm sure
I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is done,
avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats completed by
Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with chrome package,
and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home. My panel is pretty
crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are as follows.
2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A,
330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent CDI
works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter, fully
lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT 3 blade, one
because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super smooth..I would go
Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R and
I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars. The little stuff will eat you
up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no matter how you cut it, Van's or piece
it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr things that just creep up, nuts,
epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the flush billets...another $500. So
where am I going with this??? I'll break it down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop engine,
40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance was for what
I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake lines/fuel lines,
O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather?? Well heck only
another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels
I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for the baffling
rods to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff including
wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is SHIPPING...and
it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable at
sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an option
for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for resale...but
that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near future, short distant
maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything I
have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always broke..isn't
that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was junk. I'm not
IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all the time in the
world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you guys
rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530 GPS/Nav/COM,
TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything it will
allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the field...nuther story
all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet. For
those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the windshield, put
on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body work, paint and
final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been fabbed just not final
fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad in
December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game for
three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and David
can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few"
items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go to
grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet and
a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a brew
at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
if you have a perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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LOL! Gee Rick, tell us what you really think! ;-)
Do not archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats
completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with
chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home.
My panel is pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits
and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA
8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse
demand O2, Midcontinent CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn
and bank and altimeter, fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead.
I went with the MT 3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ
Daves ran super smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why?
Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the
extra dollars. The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is
5 grand no matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it
down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance
was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake
lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather??
Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus
paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the
6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for
resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near
future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always
broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was
junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all
the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the
field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body
work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been
fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple
women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer
heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it
comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a
wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this
over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views may
or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended, starting
out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you have a
perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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I hear you, Rick. Heck. I've seen a certain tech advisor's wish list
for his RV-10. Deems is in the cool part of the Valley.(it even gets
snow now and then). David and myself are in the hot spots. Vegas isn't
eggaxctly cool either.
Yeah, shipping is a killer, as well as...well, I just want it. I'm
still pissed about the 480 demise, so will be looking at most any
options besides Garmin when possible.
All I can say is wife and I built a complete house with our own sweat
equity, in 9 months, on budget. Yes we were younger.
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad in
December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game for
three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and David
can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few"
items take HOURS to complete.
>
> I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go to
grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
>
> So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet and
a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a brew
at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
>
> Whew!!!
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
>
>
> Hey Rick,
>
> Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
> may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
> put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
> and how did that come out?
>
> For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
> starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
> if you have a perspective change.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rick Sked wrote:
>>
>> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
>>
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> do not archive
>
>
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Well...you met my main diversion at the NW RV-10 dinner...YOU TELL ME!!! Heck you
even asked her if she trusted me!!
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:41:32 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Question
LOL! Gee Rick, tell us what you really think! ;-)
Do not archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats
completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with
chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home.
My panel is pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits
and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA
8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse
demand O2, Midcontinent CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn
and bank and altimeter, fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead.
I went with the MT 3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ
Daves ran super smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why?
Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the
extra dollars. The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is
5 grand no matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it
down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance
was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake
lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather??
Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus
paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the
6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for
resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near
future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always
broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was
junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all
the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the
field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body
work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been
fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple
women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer
heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it
comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a
wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this
over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views may
or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended, starting
out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you have a
perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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Oh wait...maybe that was Bill DeRouchey sorry Bill if I blew the spelling...you
had the camera. All I know is Deem's was drooling over those brake pedals, John
Cox was giving out awards..to VAN no less, Rob Hickman realized I was a customer
3/4 of the way through and it was a great weekend/night/trip everything...on
many levels, we had a fantastic time. wink wink. opps, 18 year old checking
in!! :)
Rick Sked
do notarchive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:54:45 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Well...you met my main diversion at the NW RV-10 dinner...YOU TELL ME!!! Heck you
even asked her if she trusted me!!
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Jessen" <n212pj@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:41:32 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Question
LOL! Gee Rick, tell us what you really think! ;-)
Do not archive!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats
completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with
chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home.
My panel is pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits
and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA
8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse
demand O2, Midcontinent CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn
and bank and altimeter, fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead.
I went with the MT 3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ
Daves ran super smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why?
Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the
extra dollars. The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is
5 grand no matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it
down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance
was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake
lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather??
Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus
paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the
6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for
resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near
future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always
broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was
junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all
the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the
field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body
work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been
fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple
women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer
heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it
comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a
wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this
over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views may
or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended, starting
out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you have a
perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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Holy cow - I can't wait to see this baby when I get to Vegas in August!!
Are you sure can still afford to buy me a beer when I get there ;->
Cheers,
Ron
187 - Hoping to fly in Sep when I get back home!
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but
I'm sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward
is done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the
seats completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard
induction with chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome
don't get you home. My panel is pretty crowded but I think very
functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500,
Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330
remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent CDI
works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT
3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super
smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl
is a bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars.
The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no
matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many
otehr things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah,
mine are the flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with
this??? I'll break it down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The
balance was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add
braided brake lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it,
XM music, weather?? Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead
console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just
about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods
to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical
stuff including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks
your butt is SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all
recoverable at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so
selling this is an option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I
put in this I did for resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans
to sell in the near future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good
mission...everything I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the
IFR stuff was always broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the
stuff I was renting was junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in
case I get stuck...I have all the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's
you guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's,
430/530 GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance,
if anything it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into
the field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it
yet. For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of
body work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which
have been fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my
Dad in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in
the game for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from
multiple women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and
summer heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect
burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I
go to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too
fat a wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's
finish this over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you
have a perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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OK, I'll jump on this one as well. My original budget was $129K. I was
doing just fine until OSH 2006, and I saw Debbie and Jim' s beautiful
-10. I returned from that with a new standard for completion. My
previous 'good enough' just .... wasn't anymore. My original time
estimate was 14-16 months, After all I was now retired, and I had been
routinely working 50-60 hour weeks, so 40 hour weeks should be a
breeze.............. yeah right. The painter is scheduled to pick it up
next week. that's the last big check I'll have to write (I hope), and
that will bring me to $190k. As some know I've got an appetite for some
'alterations' and that has played a big part in the cost increase, but
an even BIGGER part in the time increases. I decided to go slo build
not so much for financial reasons, but more for 'ego satisfaction'
reasons. (I even built, wired and silkscreened my own panel) While the
project started out as a 'kit' somewhere along the way it transformed
into something else. The more of my time I invested in it, and with the
even bigger amount of thought that I invested in it. It wasn't just a
'kit' anymore it was something much more personal, and that relegated
the financial parts of the decisions to a second tier. I applaud those
that can continue to completion with their projects and maintain a
dispassionate and purely objective perspective. I'm not one of them. So
while the costs are significantly beyond my original estimate, and in my
former worklife I was always able to operate at or below budget, I'm
strangely (?) comfortable in this situation.
What I'm not comfortable with is the $#!!$#$$ heat of AZ summers. when
the plane returns from paint, it will sit in the hangar where the temps
are +15 degrees from OAT until it is bearable (OCT). If I weren't
operating on an FAA mandated 'time-delay' I'd be much more anxious about
that
As it is, its nice to know I've got 5 more months to evaluate any
additional 'alterations' ...........And their associated costs =-O
Deems Davis # 406
7months down and 5 to go
http://deemsrv10.com/
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Of course!!!! nothing but a frige full of O'Douls just waiting for you Ron!!!
:)
Rick
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:19:11 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Question
Holy cow - I can't wait to see this baby when I get to Vegas in August!!
Are you sure can still afford to buy me a beer when I get there ;->
Cheers,
Ron
187 - Hoping to fly in Sep when I get back home!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but
I'm sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward
is done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the
seats completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard
induction with chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome
don't get you home. My panel is pretty crowded but I think very
functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500,
Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330
remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent CDI
works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT
3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super
smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl
is a bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars.
The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no
matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many
otehr things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah,
mine are the flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with
this??? I'll break it down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The
balance was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add
braided brake lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it,
XM music, weather?? Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead
console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just
about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods
to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical
stuff including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks
your butt is SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all
recoverable at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so
selling this is an option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I
put in this I did for resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans
to sell in the near future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good
mission...everything I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the
IFR stuff was always broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the
stuff I was renting was junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in
case I get stuck...I have all the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's
you guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's,
430/530 GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance,
if anything it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into
the field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it
yet. For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of
body work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which
have been fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my
Dad in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in
the game for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from
multiple women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and
summer heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect
burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I
go to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too
fat a wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's
finish this over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you
have a perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
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You will not be disappointed.... However, we wander far from the topic....
I think....
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Quick Question
--> <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Holy cow - I can't wait to see this baby when I get to Vegas in August!!
Are you sure can still afford to buy me a beer when I get there ;->
Cheers,
Ron
187 - Hoping to fly in Sep when I get back home!
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Friday, 27 June 2008 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats
completed by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with
chrome package, and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home.
My panel is pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits
and pieces are as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA
8000 audio, SL-30, GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse
demand O2, Midcontinent CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn
and bank and altimeter, fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead.
I went with the MT
3 blade, one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super
smooth..I would go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a
bear to R & R and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars.
The little stuff will eat you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no
matter !
how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it
down-
My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop
engine, 40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance
was for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake
lines/fuel lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather??
Well heck only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus
paint and carpet/sidepanels I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the
6-32 locknuts for the baffling rods to the mix yet.
Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for
resale...but that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near
future, short distant maybe but not near.
Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always
broke..isn't that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was
junk. I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all
the time in the world to wait out weather.
My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the
field...nuther story all together.
Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the
windshield, put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body
work, paint and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been
fabbed just not final fitted.
I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple
women...nuff said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer
heat...Deems and David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it
comes. Seems the last "few" items take HOURS to complete.
I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I
could...but I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a
wallet and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this
over a brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
Whew!!!
Rick Sked
40185
please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
Hey Rick,
Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views may
or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
and how did that come out?
For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended, starting
out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering if you have a
perspective change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that
> amount
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
"Warning:
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responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any
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Started re-assembly after deconstructing the tail. I did it without an angle drill.....
How? Got in as tight as I could with the red Sioux drill. Then I used
some creative bending of my long 30 & 40 bits that I got from Cleveland. I first
drilled the rivets with a #40 bit going all the way through VERRRRY carefully
to stay in the center. Drilled the heads with the 30 drill - broke off the
heads and then pulled the rest out with a compression pliers. I only buggered
one hole slightly this way. Trimmed out the doubler and primed it and started
squeezing the double rivets.
Got all of them but 6. Need a partner to shoot while I buck tomorrow.
12 hours in and 2-3 to go.........uggggg
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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