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1. 06:30 AM - Re: IO540 need an engine? (Lew Gallagher)
2. 08:14 AM - Re: Chrome Plating the steps (William Curtis)
3. 08:44 AM - Re: Cost to build to date (William Curtis)
4. 12:04 PM - Trim Tab Rigging and SB Write-Up Posted (Tim Olson)
5. 01:25 PM - Re: Cost to build to date (Rick Sked)
6. 02:31 PM - Re: Trim Tab Rigging and SB Write-Up Posted (johngoodman)
7. 03:33 PM - Re: Cost to build to date (William Curtis)
8. 03:41 PM - Re: Cost to build to date (Rick Sked)
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| Subject: | Re: IO540 need an engine? |
Thanks for the input Kelly and Pete.
The engine arrived yesterday with lots of documentation and of course it looks
brand new -- a little bead blasting and paint can make anything pretty, but it
looks really professionally top notch.
There will be a ton of questions eventually, but for now we've mounted it (really
only took a few minutes -- but understand the builder's warped sense of time!)
so that today we can get the cowl fitted.
A couple of beginning questions: I've read about the newer, lighter starters ...
this one has what appears to be a new starter, but how do I tell if it's old
or new style? And, are shop manuals available for this engine? At first glance
I noticed that there are 2 threaded ports on the back of each mag -- three
are open, one has a cap on it -- what are these? It has one line connected
to what looks like an intake port on one cylinder, the others are plugged ...
? I had to take the 90 elbows off the top of the vacuum pump to get it past the
engine mount -- looks like I'll have to put an extension on the forward one
to get it back on to clear the mount bar? What's the vacuum pump for? Sheesh,
so much to learn, but it's Xmas in July!
I think my partner will probably hire a Lycoming guy to do final installation,
but I'd like to learn everything about this engine. A shop manual would probably
answer these questions (and hundreds more) but I thought I'd ask here for
a quick response, and maybe point me in the direction of "how to" books for this
engine like others have recommended for basic building and flying.
The first car engine I pulled and totally rebuilt was a Jaguar V-12, so this looks
like fun to me!
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF due next week.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Chrome Plating the steps |
Yeah, I think I paid about that much (maybe a little more but under $200) to powder
coat the steps, control sticks, rudder pedals, tie down rings AND the center
support rod by the windshield.
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/fuselage38g.html
For those that are in the NorthEast area, I highly recommend TRG Coating (http://trgcoating.com/). Quality work, good prices, and quick turnaround.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
> X-Rcpt-To: <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> I powder coated mine as part of a batch which really reduces the
> cost/unit.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Chrome Plating the steps
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>
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> Mine were $150.
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>
>
> Dave Saylor
>
> AirCrafters LLC
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> 140 Aviation Way
>
> Watsonville, CA
>
> 831-722-9141
>
> 831-750-0284 CL
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> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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>
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Carpenter
>
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 2:53 PM
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> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> Subject: RV10-List: Chrome Plating the steps
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> How much should I expect to pay to have my steps chrome plated?
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> Jeff Carpenter
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> 40304
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| Subject: | Cost to build to date |
Dude, file a police report; You got robbed!
Or use that shotgun for home defense. The Supreme court got it right so you are
covered.
I have a running spreadsheet which includes all the bits, pieces, shipping, tools
and etc. and at current projection WILL come in (well) under $150K. But then
I don't have a $78K panel, O2, 3 blade prop, rudder trim or overhead console.
I'll re-post the spreadsheet to the website AFTER I pay my state use taxes
when I officially register it.
Oh, for those that have not ordered the FWF kit yet, take a look at this page: http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html You want to exclude the hoses in the Van's FWF kit and order the set from aircrafthose.com. You get BETTER hoses (teflon with integral fire sleeve) at a LESS price than if you were to go with the provided hoses.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Since my midnight rant revealed my darkest secrets I figured I outta put out
some more accurate numbers, FWIW Dewar's white label DOES NOT make you better
at this :)
>
> Some of my spreadsheet numbers
>
> Engine $44,000
> Panel $78,000 includes panel and assembly, O2 and GDL 69A, Jepp subscription
> Prop $9000
> Seats $3800k
> Kit 40,000 with shipping
> FWF $5,000
> wire & terminals plus a few special tools $1,200
> Antennas $500
> Hardware including handles and sheet/angle and nuts and bolts, clamps wire ties
etc, $2500
> Composite stuff, epoxy glass cloth, fillers, primers etc $1500
> Rudder trim $400
> Batteries-$220
> overhead-$1000
> Stein vents $600
>
> Totals $185,220
>
> Add $2000 to finish interior
> $8000 to paint
>
> Brings me around $195,000
>
> So Booya!!! (thats gang speak for a shotgun blast) William!!! I was really coming
off the cuff last night, I pulled rounded numbers tonight from my spreadsheet,
I still have a boat load of nickel and dime spruce invoices to input but
I'm still around 200K all said and done but it's still half of a similarly equipped
Cirrus.
>
> Bottom line, if I had ran my build like I run my own personal finances I would
have really held to the budget, I set aside $175 as my original no kidding budget,
even though I shot for $150 and failed. heck I failed at the $175 part!!
Understand that there is at least $5000 in tools I have not even considered
in this which really is in there somewhere.
>
> I strived to make this the best equipped and finished aircraft I could build,
for example I have at least $300 in adel clamps for the hoses and wiring, I have
a bunch left over but ordered so I would not run out while building, I have
a full set and sizes of AN bolts/nuts/washers/rivets you name it.... you could
say I set up a repair shop. Some of the hoses ran over $100 each with internal
fire sleeved hoses....bottom line....I dated my behind off, kept some very
special friends happy...AND managed to take one of them otta town a few times...and
almost finished this airplane. Plus I work about 10 to 11 hours a day at
least 6 days a week on average at the largest construction project in this Country's
history. Can all that fit on my headstone?
> So....Leaso learned? figure it's gonna cost you at least 20 grand more than you
figured...unless your Dutch...then it will only be about $60 thousand, I think
that's what Van said his cost a month ago :)
>
> Oh yeah, about $800 a year in builders risk insurance.
>
>
> Rick Sked, single, catch me if you can! But I'm feeling like I'm ready to be
caught by one of them.
> 40185
> Almost done...sorta
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:29:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Did you have one (or both) of those aforementioned women do the math on your
spending?:-) Maybe they did a little "shopping" on their own.
>
> By my calculation you have $92,000 in the RV-10 kit, Engine and Prop and another
$45,000 in Avionics. Assuming another $10,000 in paint and $5,000 for the
Oxygen system, this all totals $152,000. That means you spent another $38,000!
on interior and "other stuff." That's a lot of "stuff."
>
> I'm working on finishing up the exterior and I still have yet to purchase any
major avionics. I'm always intrigued by the builders that have barely finished
major airframe components and have panels bought, built and paid for only to
sit there for the next few years while products evolve. While all other components
in aviation tend to go up in price, avionics are the only component that
you are most often better off waiting until the last possible moment to buy.
Better products become available, prices go down or you get more for the same
price. If my avionics package began to approach $50K, I'd seriously look at
the G900X system. I'm $20K below that threshold so no G900X for me.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/91Panel/index.html
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
> >
> > I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is done,
avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats completed
by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with chrome package,
and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home. My panel is
pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are as
follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30,
GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent
CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT 3 blade,
one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super smooth..I would
go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R
and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars. The little stuff will eat
you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no matte!
>
>
> r !
> >
> > how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr things
that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the flush
billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it down-
> >
> > My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop engine,
40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance was for
what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake lines/fuel
lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather?? Well heck only
another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels
I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for the
baffling rods to the mix yet.
> >
> > Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
> >
> > I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an option
for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for resale...but
that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near future, short
distant maybe but not near.
> >
> > Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
> >
> > Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always broke..isn't
that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was junk. I'm
not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all the time in
the world to wait out weather.
> >
> > My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530 GPS/Nav/COM,
TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything it
will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the field...nuther story
all together.
> >
> > Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
> >
> > Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the windshield,
put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body work, paint
and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been fabbed just not
final fitted.
> >
> > I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and David
can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few"
items take HOURS to complete.
> >
> > I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
> >
> > So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet
and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a brew
at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
> >
> > Whew!!!
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > 40185
> > please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> >
> >
> > Hey Rick,
> >
> > Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
> > may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
> > put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
> > and how did that come out?
> >
> > For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
> > starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
> > if you have a perspective change.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Rick Sked wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
> > >
> > > Rick Sked
> > > 40185
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Rigging and SB Write-Up Posted |
I finally am on the road and had my wife drive so I could finish a write
up I've had planned to show the issues with Trim Tab rigging and then a
brief summary about the Service Bulletin. I may revise it later a bit,
but here is what I have. Also, none of the other many links that I
updated are ready yet, so the only way to this page right now is by
this link:
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20080622/
Feel free to discuss. I'd like to thank Bill DeRouchey for his input in
the "twisted tail" arena. I don't know that it will be a major issue
for most people, but it definitely is worth reading the link and
checking it on your own plane. If you haven't yet done the SB, just
wait until it's all assembled.
Enjoy!
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Cost to build to date |
Actually, I had the panel built so I really could have save a bunch there but It
went in great and works great..so money well spent at this point. And thats
why I left NJ 30 years ago...too many taxes.
The Booya thing was kinda funny and I should have put up the reason I used it,
It was in my head all day, I had to fire or as HR says terminate a umm gentleman
for too many serious violations of our safety policy, like 5 in less than an
hour, his first day...I know I shoulda cut him some slack, not....his last words
to me out the door was "Booya" followed by multiple other colorful words..so
I had to ask what it meant..hence the shotgun blast thing...I use a .45 for
home defnese :)
I just wish the 480 wasn't heading for extinction.
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:56:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: re: RV10-List: Cost to build to date
Dude, file a police report; You got robbed!
Or use that shotgun for home defense. The Supreme court got it right so you are
covered.
I have a running spreadsheet which includes all the bits, pieces, shipping, tools
and etc. and at current projection WILL come in (well) under $150K. But then
I don't have a $78K panel, O2, 3 blade prop, rudder trim or overhead console.
I'll re-post the spreadsheet to the website AFTER I pay my state use taxes
when I officially register it.
Oh, for those that have not ordered the FWF kit yet, take a look at this page: http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html You want to exclude the hoses in the Van's FWF kit and order the set from aircrafthose.com. You get BETTER hoses (teflon with integral fire sleeve) at a LESS price than if you were to go with the provided hoses.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Since my midnight rant revealed my darkest secrets I figured I outta put out
some more accurate numbers, FWIW Dewar's white label DOES NOT make you better
at this :)
>
> Some of my spreadsheet numbers
>
> Engine $44,000
> Panel $78,000 includes panel and assembly, O2 and GDL 69A, Jepp subscription
> Prop $9000
> Seats $3800k
> Kit 40,000 with shipping
> FWF $5,000
> wire & terminals plus a few special tools $1,200
> Antennas $500
> Hardware including handles and sheet/angle and nuts and bolts, clamps wire ties
etc, $2500
> Composite stuff, epoxy glass cloth, fillers, primers etc $1500
> Rudder trim $400
> Batteries-$220
> overhead-$1000
> Stein vents $600
>
> Totals $185,220
>
> Add $2000 to finish interior
> $8000 to paint
>
> Brings me around $195,000
>
> So Booya!!! (thats gang speak for a shotgun blast) William!!! I was really coming
off the cuff last night, I pulled rounded numbers tonight from my spreadsheet,
I still have a boat load of nickel and dime spruce invoices to input but
I'm still around 200K all said and done but it's still half of a similarly equipped
Cirrus.
>
> Bottom line, if I had ran my build like I run my own personal finances I would
have really held to the budget, I set aside $175 as my original no kidding budget,
even though I shot for $150 and failed. heck I failed at the $175 part!!
Understand that there is at least $5000 in tools I have not even considered
in this which really is in there somewhere.
>
> I strived to make this the best equipped and finished aircraft I could build,
for example I have at least $300 in adel clamps for the hoses and wiring, I have
a bunch left over but ordered so I would not run out while building, I have
a full set and sizes of AN bolts/nuts/washers/rivets you name it.... you could
say I set up a repair shop. Some of the hoses ran over $100 each with internal
fire sleeved hoses....bottom line....I dated my behind off, kept some very
special friends happy...AND managed to take one of them otta town a few times...and
almost finished this airplane. Plus I work about 10 to 11 hours a day at
least 6 days a week on average at the largest construction project in this Country's
history. Can all that fit on my headstone?
> So....Leaso learned? figure it's gonna cost you at least 20 grand more than you
figured...unless your Dutch...then it will only be about $60 thousand, I think
that's what Van said his cost a month ago :)
>
> Oh yeah, about $800 a year in builders risk insurance.
>
>
> Rick Sked, single, catch me if you can! But I'm feeling like I'm ready to be
caught by one of them.
> 40185
> Almost done...sorta
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:29:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Did you have one (or both) of those aforementioned women do the math on your
spending?:-) Maybe they did a little "shopping" on their own.
>
> By my calculation you have $92,000 in the RV-10 kit, Engine and Prop and another
$45,000 in Avionics. Assuming another $10,000 in paint and $5,000 for the
Oxygen system, this all totals $152,000. That means you spent another $38,000!
on interior and "other stuff." That's a lot of "stuff."
>
> I'm working on finishing up the exterior and I still have yet to purchase any
major avionics. I'm always intrigued by the builders that have barely finished
major airframe components and have panels bought, built and paid for only to
sit there for the next few years while products evolve. While all other components
in aviation tend to go up in price, avionics are the only component that
you are most often better off waiting until the last possible moment to buy.
Better products become available, prices go down or you get more for the same
price. If my avionics package began to approach $50K, I'd seriously look at
the G900X system. I'm $20K below that threshold so no G900X for me.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/91Panel/index.html
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but I'm
sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
> >
> > I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is done,
avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats completed
by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with chrome package,
and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home. My panel is
pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are as
follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30,
GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent
CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT 3 blade,
one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super smooth..I would
go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a bear to R & R
and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars. The little stuff will eat
you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no mat!
te!
>
>
> r !
> >
> > how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr things
that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the flush
billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it down-
> >
> > My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop engine,
40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance was for
what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake lines/fuel
lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather?? Well heck only
another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels
I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for the
baffling rods to the mix yet.
> >
> > Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt is
SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
> >
> > I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an option
for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for resale...but
that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near future, short
distant maybe but not near.
> >
> > Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
> >
> > Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always broke..isn't
that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was junk. I'm
not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all the time in
the world to wait out weather.
> >
> > My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's you
guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530 GPS/Nav/COM,
TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything it
will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the field...nuther story
all together.
> >
> > Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
> >
> > Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the windshield,
put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body work, paint
and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been fabbed just not
final fitted.
> >
> > I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and David
can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last "few"
items take HOURS to complete.
> >
> > I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I go
to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
> >
> > So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet
and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a brew
at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
> >
> > Whew!!!
> >
> > Rick Sked
> > 40185
> > please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> >
> >
> > Hey Rick,
> >
> > Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
> > may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
> > put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
> > and how did that come out?
> >
> > For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
> > starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
> > if you have a perspective change.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Rick Sked wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
> > >
> > > Rick Sked
> > > 40185
> > > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tim,
That was an excellent article. You answered a lot of questions but, as always,
it brings up more questions. My first one is easy. The doubler looks like it interferes
with the longeron, but obviously it doesn't. Is it touching the longeron?
My next question is about the operation of the two trim tabs. You explanation was
excellent, but it begs the question - why two trim tabs in the first place?
I am NOT an aeronautical engineer, so I'm allowed to ask stupid questions (g).
Could we not operate with just one tab? If it is too small, could it have been
made bigger? If two tabs were necessary, why not sync them together and limit
the nose down travel (tab up) to something less?
Probably dumb questions, but it sure has been crossing my mind lately.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190279#190279
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Actually, almost all states that have sales tax also have a use tax. To make sure
the tax man does not come running with their idea of what you owe when you
register your experimental, you are better of telling them what YOU think you
owe prior. What they think is usually MUCH higher.
See this article on the EAA site. You will require an EAA account login.
http://tinyurl.com/53rmhz
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Actually, I had the panel built so I really could have save a bunch there but
It went in great and works great..so money well spent at this point. And thats
why I left NJ 30 years ago...too many taxes.
>
> The Booya thing was kinda funny and I should have put up the reason I used it,
It was in my head all day, I had to fire or as HR says terminate a umm gentleman
for too many serious violations of our safety policy, like 5 in less than
an hour, his first day...I know I shoulda cut him some slack, not....his last
words to me out the door was "Booya" followed by multiple other colorful words..so
I had to ask what it meant..hence the shotgun blast thing...I use a .45
for home defnese :)
>
> I just wish the 480 wasn't heading for extinction.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:56:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Cost to build to date
>
>
> Dude, file a police report; You got robbed!
>
> Or use that shotgun for home defense. The Supreme court got it right so you
are covered.
>
> I have a running spreadsheet which includes all the bits, pieces, shipping, tools
and etc. and at current projection WILL come in (well) under $150K. But
then I don't have a $78K panel, O2, 3 blade prop, rudder trim or overhead console.
I'll re-post the spreadsheet to the website AFTER I pay my state use taxes
when I officially register it.
>
> Oh, for those that have not ordered the FWF kit yet, take a look at this page: http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html You want to exclude the hoses in the Van's FWF kit and order the set from aircrafthose.com. You get BETTER hoses (teflon with integral fire sleeve) at a LESS price than if you were to go with the provided hoses.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Since my midnight rant revealed my darkest secrets I figured I outta put out
some more accurate numbers, FWIW Dewar's white label DOES NOT make you better
at this :)
> >
> > Some of my spreadsheet numbers
> >
> > Engine $44,000
> > Panel $78,000 includes panel and assembly, O2 and GDL 69A, Jepp subscription
> > Prop $9000
> > Seats $3800k
> > Kit 40,000 with shipping
> > FWF $5,000
> > wire & terminals plus a few special tools $1,200
> > Antennas $500
> > Hardware including handles and sheet/angle and nuts and bolts, clamps wire
ties etc, $2500
> > Composite stuff, epoxy glass cloth, fillers, primers etc $1500
> > Rudder trim $400
> > Batteries-$220
> > overhead-$1000
> > Stein vents $600
> >
> > Totals $185,220
> >
> > Add $2000 to finish interior
> > $8000 to paint
> >
> > Brings me around $195,000
> >
> > So Booya!!! (thats gang speak for a shotgun blast) William!!! I was really
coming off the cuff last night, I pulled rounded numbers tonight from my spreadsheet,
I still have a boat load of nickel and dime spruce invoices to input but
I'm still around 200K all said and done but it's still half of a similarly
equipped Cirrus.
> >
> > Bottom line, if I had ran my build like I run my own personal finances I would
have really held to the budget, I set aside $175 as my original no kidding
budget, even though I shot for $150 and failed. heck I failed at the $175 part!!
Understand that there is at least $5000 in tools I have not even considered
in this which really is in there somewhere.
> >
> > I strived to make this the best equipped and finished aircraft I could build,
for example I have at least $300 in adel clamps for the hoses and wiring, I
have a bunch left over but ordered so I would not run out while building, I have
a full set and sizes of AN bolts/nuts/washers/rivets you name it.... you could
say I set up a repair shop. Some of the hoses ran over $100 each with internal
fire sleeved hoses....bottom line....I dated my behind off, kept some very
special friends happy...AND managed to take one of them otta town a few times...and
almost finished this airplane. Plus I work about 10 to 11 hours a day
at least 6 days a week on average at the largest construction project in this
Country's history. Can all that fit on my headstone?
> > So....Leaso learned? figure it's gonna cost you at least 20 grand more than
you figured...unless your Dutch...then it will only be about $60 thousand, I
think that's what Van said his cost a month ago :)
> >
> > Oh yeah, about $800 a year in builders risk insurance.
> >
> >
> > Rick Sked, single, catch me if you can! But I'm feeling like I'm ready to be
caught by one of them.
> > 40185
> > Almost done...sorta
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:29:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > Did you have one (or both) of those aforementioned women do the math on your
spending?:-) Maybe they did a little "shopping" on their own.
> >
> > By my calculation you have $92,000 in the RV-10 kit, Engine and Prop and another
$45,000 in Avionics. Assuming another $10,000 in paint and $5,000 for the
Oxygen system, this all totals $152,000. That means you spent another $38,000!
on interior and "other stuff." That's a lot of "stuff."
> >
> > I'm working on finishing up the exterior and I still have yet to purchase any
major avionics. I'm always intrigued by the builders that have barely finished
major airframe components and have panels bought, built and paid for only
to sit there for the next few years while products evolve. While all other components
in aviation tend to go up in price, avionics are the only component
that you are most often better off waiting until the last possible moment to buy.
Better products become available, prices go down or you get more for the
same price. If my avionics package began to approach $50K, I'd seriously look
at the G900X system. I'm $20K below that threshold so no G900X for me.
> >
> > William
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/91Panel/index.html
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > >
> > > Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but
I'm sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
> > >
> > > I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats completed
by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with chrome package,
and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home. My panel is
pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are
as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30,
GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent
CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT 3 blade,
one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super smooth..I would
go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a bear to R &
R and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars. The little stuff will
eat you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no mat!
>
>
> te!
> >
> >
> > r !
> > >
> > > how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it down-
> > >
> > > My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop engine,
40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance was
for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake lines/fuel
lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather?? Well heck
only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels
I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for
the baffling rods to the mix yet.
> > >
> > > Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt
is SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
> > >
> > > I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for resale...but
that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near future, short
distant maybe but not near.
> > >
> > > Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
> > >
> > > Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always broke..isn't
that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was junk.
I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all the time
in the world to wait out weather.
> > >
> > > My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's
you guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the field...nuther
story all together.
> > >
> > > Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
> > >
> > > Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the windshield,
put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body work, paint
and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been fabbed just not
final fitted.
> > >
> > > I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and
David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last
"few" items take HOURS to complete.
> > >
> > > I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I
go to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
> > >
> > > So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet
and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a
brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
> > >
> > > Whew!!!
> > >
> > > Rick Sked
> > > 40185
> > > please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Rick,
> > >
> > > Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
> > > may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
> > > put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
> > > and how did that come out?
> > >
> > > For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
> > > starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
> > > if you have a perspective change.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick Sked wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
> > > >
> > > > Rick Sked
> > > > 40185
> > > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Montana...I think I like Montana...
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 3:43:26 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cost to build to date
Actually, almost all states that have sales tax also have a use tax. To make sure
the tax man does not come running with their idea of what you owe when you
register your experimental, you are better of telling them what YOU think you
owe prior. What they think is usually MUCH higher.
See this article on the EAA site. You will require an EAA account login.
http://tinyurl.com/53rmhz
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Actually, I had the panel built so I really could have save a bunch there but
It went in great and works great..so money well spent at this point. And thats
why I left NJ 30 years ago...too many taxes.
>
> The Booya thing was kinda funny and I should have put up the reason I used it,
It was in my head all day, I had to fire or as HR says terminate a umm gentleman
for too many serious violations of our safety policy, like 5 in less than
an hour, his first day...I know I shoulda cut him some slack, not....his last
words to me out the door was "Booya" followed by multiple other colorful words..so
I had to ask what it meant..hence the shotgun blast thing...I use a .45
for home defnese :)
>
> I just wish the 480 wasn't heading for extinction.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 8:56:28 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: re: RV10-List: Cost to build to date
>
>
> Dude, file a police report; You got robbed!
>
> Or use that shotgun for home defense. The Supreme court got it right so you
are covered.
>
> I have a running spreadsheet which includes all the bits, pieces, shipping, tools
and etc. and at current projection WILL come in (well) under $150K. But
then I don't have a $78K panel, O2, 3 blade prop, rudder trim or overhead console.
I'll re-post the spreadsheet to the website AFTER I pay my state use taxes
when I officially register it.
>
> Oh, for those that have not ordered the FWF kit yet, take a look at this page: http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/20Engine/hose.html You want to exclude the hoses in the Van's FWF kit and order the set from aircrafthose.com. You get BETTER hoses (teflon with integral fire sleeve) at a LESS price than if you were to go with the provided hoses.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Since my midnight rant revealed my darkest secrets I figured I outta put out
some more accurate numbers, FWIW Dewar's white label DOES NOT make you better
at this :)
> >
> > Some of my spreadsheet numbers
> >
> > Engine $44,000
> > Panel $78,000 includes panel and assembly, O2 and GDL 69A, Jepp subscription
> > Prop $9000
> > Seats $3800k
> > Kit 40,000 with shipping
> > FWF $5,000
> > wire & terminals plus a few special tools $1,200
> > Antennas $500
> > Hardware including handles and sheet/angle and nuts and bolts, clamps wire
ties etc, $2500
> > Composite stuff, epoxy glass cloth, fillers, primers etc $1500
> > Rudder trim $400
> > Batteries-$220
> > overhead-$1000
> > Stein vents $600
> >
> > Totals $185,220
> >
> > Add $2000 to finish interior
> > $8000 to paint
> >
> > Brings me around $195,000
> >
> > So Booya!!! (thats gang speak for a shotgun blast) William!!! I was really
coming off the cuff last night, I pulled rounded numbers tonight from my spreadsheet,
I still have a boat load of nickel and dime spruce invoices to input but
I'm still around 200K all said and done but it's still half of a similarly
equipped Cirrus.
> >
> > Bottom line, if I had ran my build like I run my own personal finances I would
have really held to the budget, I set aside $175 as my original no kidding
budget, even though I shot for $150 and failed. heck I failed at the $175 part!!
Understand that there is at least $5000 in tools I have not even considered
in this which really is in there somewhere.
> >
> > I strived to make this the best equipped and finished aircraft I could build,
for example I have at least $300 in adel clamps for the hoses and wiring, I
have a bunch left over but ordered so I would not run out while building, I have
a full set and sizes of AN bolts/nuts/washers/rivets you name it.... you could
say I set up a repair shop. Some of the hoses ran over $100 each with internal
fire sleeved hoses....bottom line....I dated my behind off, kept some very
special friends happy...AND managed to take one of them otta town a few times...and
almost finished this airplane. Plus I work about 10 to 11 hours a day
at least 6 days a week on average at the largest construction project in this
Country's history. Can all that fit on my headstone?
> > So....Leaso learned? figure it's gonna cost you at least 20 grand more than
you figured...unless your Dutch...then it will only be about $60 thousand, I
think that's what Van said his cost a month ago :)
> >
> > Oh yeah, about $800 a year in builders risk insurance.
> >
> >
> > Rick Sked, single, catch me if you can! But I'm feeling like I'm ready to be
caught by one of them.
> > 40185
> > Almost done...sorta
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:29:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> >
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > Did you have one (or both) of those aforementioned women do the math on your
spending?:-) Maybe they did a little "shopping" on their own.
> >
> > By my calculation you have $92,000 in the RV-10 kit, Engine and Prop and another
$45,000 in Avionics. Assuming another $10,000 in paint and $5,000 for the
Oxygen system, this all totals $152,000. That means you spent another $38,000!
on interior and "other stuff." That's a lot of "stuff."
> >
> > I'm working on finishing up the exterior and I still have yet to purchase any
major avionics. I'm always intrigued by the builders that have barely finished
major airframe components and have panels bought, built and paid for only
to sit there for the next few years while products evolve. While all other components
in aviation tend to go up in price, avionics are the only component
that you are most often better off waiting until the last possible moment to buy.
Better products become available, prices go down or you get more for the
same price. If my avionics package began to approach $50K, I'd seriously look
at the G900X system. I'm $20K below that threshold so no G900X for me.
> >
> > William
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/91Panel/index.html
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > >
> > > Boy have I been waiting for this...I'm not sure I'll answer anything but
I'm sure I'll RAMBLE!!!!
> > >
> > > I have pretty much paid for everything at this point, Firewall forward is
done, avionics/electrical are done, interior is halfway with the seats completed
by Classic Aero, Barretts did the engine, standard induction with chrome package,
and custom paint yeah I know CJ, chrome don't get you home. My panel is
pretty crowded but I think very functional full IFR. The bits and pieces are
as follows. 2 AFS 3500, Mx-20 MFD, GNS-480, TT RV-10 AP, PMA 8000 audio, SL-30,
GDL-69A, 330 remote transponder, Mt. High 4 place pulse demand O2, Midcontinent
CDI works off GPS & NAV, Back up Airspeed, TT turn and bank and altimeter,
fully lighted fiberglass panel/console and overhead. I went with the MT 3 blade,
one because it look cool, second becasue Russ Daves ran super smooth..I would
go Hartzell if I had to do it over...why? Stinking cowl is a bear to R &
R and I'm not sure it's really worth the extra dollars. The little stuff will
eat you up on the build, FWF package is 5 grand no m!
at!
>
>
> te!
> >
> >
> > r !
> > >
> > > how you cut it, Van's or piece it out still about 5 grand. so many otehr
things that just creep up, nuts, epoxy, door handles...oh yeah, mine are the
flush billets...another $500. So where am I going with this??? I'll break it down-
> > >
> > > My original budget was $150,000 max....40 for the kit, 40 for the prop engine,
40 for the panel and 5 for the interior and 8 for paint. The balance was
for what I didn't know...boy what you don't know...add braided brake lines/fuel
lines, O2...oh yeah...GDL-69...gotta have it, XM music, weather?? Well heck
only another $3500!!!, overhead console..SURE!!! Right now minus paint and carpet/sidepanels
I'm just about at 190K...I haven't added the 6-32 locknuts for
the baffling rods to the mix yet.
> > >
> > > Nutshell engine about 43K, prop almost 9K, avionics, O2 and electrical stuff
including wiring, batteries etc...easily 80k, what really kicks your butt
is SHIPPING...and it's gonna get worse with fuel costs now.
> > >
> > > I have no regrets on what I have spent, I really think it is all recoverable
at sale, those close to me know how I like to build so selling this is an
option for me...blood sweat and tears, everything I put in this I did for resale...but
that was not my goal..I have no plans to sell in the near future, short
distant maybe but not near.
> > >
> > > Here is my advice if I was going to do it again.
> > >
> > > Seriously look at your mission, day night VFR is a good mission...everything
I have ever flown was day/night VFR...because the IFR stuff was always broke..isn't
that why we built our own? because the stuff I was renting was junk.
I'm not IFR rated...only want to be in case I get stuck...I have all the time
in the world to wait out weather.
> > >
> > > My ideal RV-10 for me, with hindsight would be...same engine...Barrett's
you guys rock...little more cash but worth it, avionics? 2 AFS 4500's, 430/530
GPS/Nav/COM, TT AP, gotta have a good AP with vertical guidance, if anything
it will allow your PAX properly instructed to get you into the field...nuther
story all together.
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> > > Portable O2..., basic transponder, good backup NAV/COM,
> > >
> > > Sooooo much more to have a good talk about...and I'm not even flying it yet.
For those wondering....I have to final rivet the cabin top, do the windshield,
put on the door which have been fitted and a boat load of body work, paint
and final interior plus the fairings and pants which have been fabbed just not
final fitted.
> > >
> > > I would have been done by now...I'll make a few excuses...one I lost my Dad
in December...kicked my ass, still does. I could not get my head in the game
for three months, two...heh heh...multiple complications from multiple women...nuff
said...46 in years...18 at heart. Burnout and summer heat...Deems and
David can understand the summer heat. Expect burnout, it comes. Seems the last
"few" items take HOURS to complete.
> > >
> > > I have and never will set a date for this to fly...it will happen when I
go to grab a part and there are none left...I think September.
> > >
> > > So...My initial budget??? I exceeded it by about 50K...only because I could...but
I was realistic in the beginning, I found myself with too fat a wallet
and a whole bunch of GEE WHIZ!!! I gotta have that. Let's finish this over a
brew at RV-10 central in about 6 weeks.
> > >
> > > Whew!!!
> > >
> > > Rick Sked
> > > 40185
> > > please DO NOT ARCHIVE....(especially the women part)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:07:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Quick Question
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey Rick,
> > >
> > > Now that you're this far along....give your opinion as to how your views
> > > may or may not have shifted on what you feel the "average" builder will
> > > put into their RV-10. What was your original budget and thoughts,
> > > and how did that come out?
> > >
> > > For me, I probably ended up 40-60K over what I originally intended,
> > > starting out and allowing creep as I went along. Just wondering
> > > if you have a perspective change.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick Sked wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL.....I want a $150K RV-10....Seems mine has slightly exceeded that amount
> > > >
> > > > Rick Sked
> > > > 40185
> > > > do not archive
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