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1. 05:05 AM - Nosewheel breakout force (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Tim Olson)
3. 06:12 AM - How tight to make the plumbing fittings? (Dave Leikam)
4. 06:15 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Fred Williams, M.D.)
5. 06:23 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Ralph E. Capen)
6. 06:29 AM - N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Roger Standley)
7. 06:43 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Ralph E. Capen)
8. 06:43 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (John Jessen)
9. 06:52 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Dave Leikam)
10. 07:04 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
11. 07:48 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Robin Marks)
12. 08:04 AM - Re: How tight to make the plumbing fittings? (Bobby J. Hughes)
13. 08:26 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Tim Olson)
14. 09:38 AM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Roger Standley)
15. 09:42 AM - Re: How tight to make the plumbing fittings? (Rick Sked)
16. 09:58 AM - Re: Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install (RobHickman@aol.com)
17. 10:20 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Rick Sked)
18. 10:36 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
19. 10:47 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Deems Davis)
20. 11:09 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Tim Olson)
21. 11:25 AM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (linn Walters)
22. 12:22 PM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Deems Davis)
23. 03:23 PM - Re: Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install (PJ Seipel)
24. 03:38 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (John Dunne)
25. 03:44 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Marcus Cooper)
26. 03:55 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (n801bh@netzero.com)
27. 04:28 PM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (DejaVu)
28. 04:34 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (McGANN, Ron)
29. 05:13 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Roger Standley)
30. 05:51 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Tim Olson)
31. 06:53 PM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (John Ackerman)
32. 07:31 PM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (bcondrey)
33. 07:45 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Rick Sked)
34. 07:57 PM - Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Rick Sked)
35. 08:06 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Rick Sked)
36. 08:09 PM - Re: Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Rick Sked)
37. 08:10 PM - Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 (Jesse Saint)
38. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Nosewheel breakout force (Tim Olson)
39. 09:44 PM - gasoline rebates (David McNeill)
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| Subject: | Nosewheel breakout force |
I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring it.
The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish scale
(IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend) the
same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
How are you doing it?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
That's the same as what we're using.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring it.
>
> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish scale
(IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>
> How are you doing it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
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| Subject: | How tight to make the plumbing fittings? |
How much torque should I apply to 37 degree flare fittings and other NPT
fittings for brake and fuel line connections? Thanks for all the input
everyone. Building is slowly accelerating as I move through the
fuselage!
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
Ralph;
Don't know if this will help on the math issue. Here's a good website
for a torque calculator.
You should be able to measure your distances and calculate the torque
needed to spec.
http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx
Fred
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring it.
>
> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish scale
(IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>
> How are you doing it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
Thanks Tim!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>Sent: Jul 2, 2008 8:59 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>
>
>That's the same as what we're using.
>
>Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>do not archive
>
>
>Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring
it.
>>
>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish
scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>>
>> How are you doing it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
=0AN291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great
plane! What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it need
s a little left rudder to center the ball. =0ATotal time 1.75 hours
!=0AAll went well with only a few minor problems to work through. I
dle EGT on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round in
take pipe causing an air intake leak. Late in first flight, the #2 CHT
suddenly went high and was later traced to the CHT probe. =0AThe p
lan is to continue tomorrow.=0A=0ARoger Standley=0ABuilder Fl
yer #40291=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
Neat tool....thanks
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Fred Williams, M.D." <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 2, 2008 9:12 AM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>
>
>Ralph;
>
>Don't know if this will help on the math issue. Here's a good website
>for a torque calculator.
>
>You should be able to measure your distances and calculate the torque
>needed to spec.
>
>http://www.norbar.com/Calculators/TorqueWrenchExtensionCalculator/tabid/70/Default.aspx
>
>Fred
>
>
>Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring
it.
>>
>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish
scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>>
>> How are you doing it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Roger, congratulations! I like your "what a beast" description.
John J
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane! What
a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little left
rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #6
cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe causing an
air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went high and was
later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Way to go!
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Standley
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great
plane! What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a
little left rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT
on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe
causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Congratulations!
Bob
RV-10 N442PM (flying)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane!
What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little
left rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT
on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe
causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Way to go Roger! Were you given a 25 or 40 hour fly off?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane!
What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little
left rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT
on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe
causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | How tight to make the plumbing fittings? |
Aeroquip specifications 37 degree fittings.
Bobby
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: How tight to make the plumbing fittings?
How much torque should I apply to 37 degree flare fittings and other NPT
fittings for brake and fuel line connections? Thanks for all the input
everyone. Building is slowly accelerating as I move through the
fuselage!
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Big congrats to you Roger! I updated you on the builders list
to the "Flying" area!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger Standley
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:27 AM
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
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> N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane!
> What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little
> left rudder to center the ball.
>
> Total time 1.75 hours!
>
> All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT
> on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe
> causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
> went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
>
> The plan is to continue tomorrow.
>
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>
> Roger Standley
>
> Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Hi Robin,=0A=0A25 hour fly off.=0A ----- Original Message --
--- =0A From: Robin Marks<mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com> =0A To
: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent
: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:45 AM=0A Subject: RE: RV10-List: N291
RV flies on July 1, 2008=0A=0A=0A Way to go Roger! Were you
given a 25 or 40 hour fly off?=0A=0A =0A=0A Robin=0A
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to:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serve
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008=0A=0A =0A=0A =0A=0A N291RV had its first, s
econd and third flights today! WOW! Great plane! What a beast! Handles
almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little left rudder to cen
ter the ball. =0A=0A Total time 1.75 hours!=0A=0A All we
nt well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #6
cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe cau
sing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went
high and was later traced to the CHT probe. =0A=0A The plan is
to continue tomorrow.=0A=0A =0A=0A Roger Standley
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| Subject: | Re: How tight to make the plumbing fittings? |
This is invaluable for performance fittings, go to page 50 for torq anf hex
flat options for torq, I pasted the PDF and also included the link.
Rick Sked
40185
http://hydraulics.eaton.com/products/pdfs/fc/A-SPPE-MC001-E2.pdf
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 8:56:25 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: How tight to make the plumbing fittings?
=C2-Aeroquip specifications 37 degree fittings.
Bobby
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: How tight to make the plumbing fittings?
How much torque should=C2-I apply to 37 degree flare fittings and other N
PT fittings for brake and fuel line connections?=C2- Thanks for all the i
nput everyone.=C2- Building is slowly accelerating as I move through the
fuselage!
Dave Leikam
#40496=C2- N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install |
Hysol 9360 when properly stored, surface prepped, and properly applied will
give repeatedly great results.
John Cox
N49CX RV-10
I used brand new Hysol 9360 from Lancair (with hardener it is blue) sanded
the test pieces with 60 grit, blown off with air and used a digital scale
accurate to .1 grams. The only thing I did not try is actually waiting for 5-7
days.
I should also add that the Hysol phone support was not real positive about
using it to bond acrylic.
John you should borrow my left over Hysol and actually do your own test just
in case I missed something.
Rob Hickman
**************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for
fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed to be retorqued
afet a period of time due to wear in?
Rick
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
That's the same as what we're using.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring it.
>
> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish scale
(IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>
> How are you doing it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
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| Subject: | Nosewheel breakout force |
Rick,
I had to re-torque after only about 25 hours. I also noted another
RV-10 that obviously needed re-torquing (nosewheel freely swinging
around during a landing that I saw from the ground). That plane had
about 35 hours on it at the time.
Other thing that I noted is that the initial grease infusion (Aeroshell
#5) didn't last very long - you could hear binding noises while turning
the nosewheel with the towbar. I wound up taking things apart, cleaning
them up and then switching to a different type of grease which seems to
be working better.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed to be
retorqued afet a period of time due to wear in?
Rick
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
That's the same as what we're using.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
<recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what
you folks are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you
are measuring it.
>
> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a
fish scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is
our friend) the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel
point...just trying to remember my High School math and physics
lessons....
>
> How are you doing it?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I have this item on my 'do-over list before flying'. I could not obtain
the 22-25 lbs, IIRC it was either 17 - 35 depending on which face of the
nut squared with the cotter pin. I think those Bellvue (?) washers are a
little rough and I expect their surface gets 'polished' a bit initially.
Anybody else have similar experience and a solution?
Deems Davis # 406
working on the last MOD (really!!!!!)
http://deemsrv10.com/
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed to be retorqued
afet a period of time due to wear in?
>
> Rick
> 40185
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>
>
> That's the same as what we're using.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what you folks
are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you are measuring
it.
>>
>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a fish
scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics is our friend)
the same spec would result in a greater torque at the swivel point...just trying
to remember my High School math and physics lessons....
>>
>> How are you doing it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph Capen
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I think this wearing in is just going to be a fact of life.
I would err on the high side, and go with 35lbs before I'd
go under 20. I have retorqued mine now 2 or maybe it was
3 times. The 3rd time it wasn't too low, but I wanted to
make sure it was going to always be 22 or more, and I ended
up at 35....and it worked fine. So if I was doing it again
I'd probably start near 30 and let it wear in, and the
retorque after 20-25 hours and then again at 75.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I have this item on my 'do-over list before flying'. I could not obtain
> the 22-25 lbs, IIRC it was either 17 - 35 depending on which face of the
> nut squared with the cotter pin. I think those Bellvue (?) washers are a
> little rough and I expect their surface gets 'polished' a bit initially.
> Anybody else have similar experience and a solution?
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> working on the last MOD (really!!!!!)
> http://deemsrv10.com/
>
> Rick Sked wrote:
>>
>> How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed to
>> be retorqued afet a period of time due to wear in?
>>
>> Rick 40185
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>>
>>
>> That's the same as what we're using.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>
>>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>>
>>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what
>>> you folks are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how
>>> you are measuring it.
>>>
>>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with
>>> a fish scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back
>>> (physics is our friend) the same spec would result in a greater
>>> torque at the swivel point...just trying to remember my High School
>>> math and physics lessons....
>>>
>>> How are you doing it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ralph Capen
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
Deems Davis wrote:
>
> I have this item on my 'do-over list before flying'. I could not
> obtain the 22-25 lbs, IIRC it was either 17 - 35 depending on which
> face of the nut squared with the cotter pin. I think those Bellvue (?)
They're 'belleville' or 'cupped' washers.
> washers are a little rough and I expect their surface gets 'polished'
> a bit initially.
That's possible.
> Anybody else have similar experience and a solution?
The same nose gear system is used on the little Grummans. Go to
http://www.sbw.org/nosestrut/ for a drawing. It shows the correct
orientation of the belleville washers (for my Grumman anyway).
Conventional wisdom (for the Grummans) is to increase the 25 pound pull
to 30 or 35. This is where 'tighten until shimmy quits' but you still
need to be able to horse it around if you don't have the towbar handy.
While we're here on the nosewheel subject ..... that cotter pin is
terribly important ..... and you probably should use a mirror to inspect
it as a part of your preflight.
As for the 'retighten' problem ..... remember that not only the
belleville washers are getting some 'polishing' .... so is the strut
bushing and flat washers ...... in other words ..... all the moving
parts are subject to wearing in.
Linn
>
> Deems Davis # 406
> working on the last MOD (really!!!!!)
> http://deemsrv10.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
Thanks Tim!
Deems
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I think this wearing in is just going to be a fact of life.
> I would err on the high side, and go with 35lbs before I'd
> go under 20. I have retorqued mine now 2 or maybe it was
> 3 times. The 3rd time it wasn't too low, but I wanted to
> make sure it was going to always be 22 or more, and I ended
> up at 35....and it worked fine. So if I was doing it again
> I'd probably start near 30 and let it wear in, and the
> retorque after 20-25 hours and then again at 75.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>
>
> Deems Davis wrote:
>>
>> I have this item on my 'do-over list before flying'. I could not
>> obtain the 22-25 lbs, IIRC it was either 17 - 35 depending on which
>> face of the nut squared with the cotter pin. I think those Bellvue
>> (?) washers are a little rough and I expect their surface gets
>> 'polished' a bit initially. Anybody else have similar experience and
>> a solution?
>>
>> Deems Davis # 406
>> working on the last MOD (really!!!!!)
>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>
>> Rick Sked wrote:
>>>
>>> How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed
>>> to be retorqued afet a period of time due to wear in?
>>>
>>> Rick 40185
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>>>
>>>
>>> That's the same as what we're using.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>>
>>>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know
>>>> what you folks are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and
>>>> how you are measuring it.
>>>>
>>>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt
>>>> with a fish scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back
>>>> (physics is our friend) the same spec would result in a greater
>>>> torque at the swivel point...just trying to remember my High School
>>>> math and physics lessons....
>>>>
>>>> How are you doing it?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ralph Capen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install |
I wonder if your Hysol was bad/old or something. I used the blue and
haven't had any issues yet. I'll be home this weekend and I'll bang on
my windows a bit and see what happens. For what it's worth, when I did
mine, I sanded with 40 grit and then wiped with 100% alcohol before
bonding it. I left it clamped for over a week because I was having a
hard time keeping the garage at 70 degrees due to the outside temp being
low.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
RobHickman@aol.com wrote:
> Hysol 9360 when properly stored, surface prepped, and properly applied
> will give repeatedly great results.
>
> John Cox
>
> N49CX RV-10
>
> I used brand new Hysol 9360 from Lancair (with hardener it is blue)
> sanded the test pieces with 60 grit, blown off with air and used a
> digital scale accurate to .1 grams. The only thing I did not try is
> actually waiting for 5-7 days.
>
> I should also add that the Hysol phone support was not real positive
> about using it to bond acrylic.
>
> John you should borrow my left over Hysol and actually do your own
> test just in case I missed something.
>
>
> Rob Hickman
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used
> cars <http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007>.
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Congratulations Roger! Well Done!
I guess we know what you'll be doing for the holiday weekend.
John 40315
Do not archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2008 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
Hi Robin,
25 hour fly off.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robin Marks <mailto:robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
Way to go Roger! Were you given a 25 or 40 hour fly off?
Robin
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane! What
a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little left
rudder to center the ball.
Total time 175 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #6
cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe causing an
air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went high and was
later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Roger, Congratulations!
Best of luck with the testing and then on to great adventures.
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:27 AM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane! What
a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little left
rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #6
cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe causing an
air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went high and was
later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
A big congrats to you... It will takes days to get that smile off your f
ace... Enjoy your new toy and fly safe..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com> wrote:
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-> N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plan
e! What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a lit
tle left rudder to center the ball. Total time 1.75 hours!All went well
with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #6 cylinder
was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe causing an air
intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went high and was
later traced to the CHT probe. The plan is to continue tomorrow. Roger S
tandleyBuilder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I would check the initial torque as often as occasions lend themselves. But
agree w/ Tim at 25 and 75hrs.
Adding some more to Deems talking point, I let mine go pretty long in the
beginning. I think my initial check was at 75hrs and the torque was all the
way down to zero. The consequence was some tear in the glass of the nose
wheel pant due to the shopping cart wheel effect causing the pant to touch
the rubber. This was first noticed around 45hrs. The glass at that time was
about 1/2in away from the tire. I since have increased to 3/4in.
BTW, I spent 14 hours by myself tending to the recent SB. No cracks were
found in the bulkhead.
Anh
N591VU-flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>
>
>
> Thanks Tim!
>
> Deems
>
> do not archive
>
> Tim Olson wrote:
>>
>> I think this wearing in is just going to be a fact of life.
>> I would err on the high side, and go with 35lbs before I'd
>> go under 20. I have retorqued mine now 2 or maybe it was
>> 3 times. The 3rd time it wasn't too low, but I wanted to
>> make sure it was going to always be 22 or more, and I ended
>> up at 35....and it worked fine. So if I was doing it again
>> I'd probably start near 30 and let it wear in, and the
>> retorque after 20-25 hours and then again at 75.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>
>>
>>
>> Deems Davis wrote:
>>>
>>> I have this item on my 'do-over list before flying'. I could not obtain
>>> the 22-25 lbs, IIRC it was either 17 - 35 depending on which face of the
>>> nut squared with the cotter pin. I think those Bellvue (?) washers are a
>>> little rough and I expect their surface gets 'polished' a bit initially.
>>> Anybody else have similar experience and a solution?
>>>
>>> Deems Davis # 406
>>> working on the last MOD (really!!!!!)
>>> http://deemsrv10.com/
>>>
>>> Rick Sked wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How good is the initial setup last? I recall Anh saying his needed to
>>>> be retorqued afet a period of time due to wear in?
>>>>
>>>> Rick 40185
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Tim Olson" <Tim@MyRV10.com>
>>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:59:29 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
>>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's the same as what we're using.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>>> do not archive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> <recapen@earthlink.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm putting a 5x5 wheel/tire up front on my 6A and need to know what
>>>>> you folks are using for a nosewheel breakout force setting and how you
>>>>> are measuring it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 6A manual has a spec of 22-25 lbs measured at the axel bolt with a
>>>>> fish scale (IIRC). Since that bolt will now be farther back (physics
>>>>> is our friend) the same spec would result in a greater torque at the
>>>>> swivel point...just trying to remember my High School math and physics
>>>>> lessons....
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you doing it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ralph Capen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Congratulations Roger - way to go!
May I ask how you fixed the out-of-round intake pipe?
cheers,
Ron
187 almost done.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Standley
Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2008 10:57 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great
plane! What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a
little left rudder to center the ball.
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through.
Idle EGT on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round
intake pipe causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT
suddenly went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
Roger Standley
Builder Flyer #40291
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Thank you, Tim. =0A=0ADo you happen to know how many customer bu
ilt RV-10s are flying at this time?=0A=0ARoger=0A=0A ----
- Original Message ----- =0A From: Tim Olson<mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com
> =0A To: rv10-list@matronics.com<mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
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=0A=0A Big congrats to you Roger! I updated you on the builder
s list=0A to the "Flying" area!=0A=0A Tim Olson - RV-10 N10
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1, 2008=0A > =0A > =0A > =0A > =0A > =0A >
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane
! =0A > What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it
needs a little =0A > left rudder to center the ball. =0A >
=0A > Total time 1.75 hours!=0A > =0A > All went well with on
ly a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT =0A > on #6 cyli
nder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe =0A
> causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
=0A > went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.=0A >
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
Well, Van's site says 143, but I don't know that ANYONE is keeping
great numbers. I only have listed the ones I know or hear about
and remember to update.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Roger Standley wrote:
> Thank you, Tim.
>
> Do you happen to know how many customer built RV-10s are flying at this
> time?
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Tim Olson <mailto:Tim@MyRV10.com>
> *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv10-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
>
> <mailto:Tim@myrv10.com>>
>
> Big congrats to you Roger! I updated you on the builders list
> to the "Flying" area!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Roger Standley
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:27 AM
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> > N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great
> plane!
> > What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a
> little
> > left rudder to center the ball.
> >
> > Total time 1.75 hours!
> >
> > All went well with only a few minor problems to work through.
> Idle EGT
> > on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round
> intake pipe
> > causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
> > went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
What type of grease, Bob?
On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> >
>
> Rick,
>
> I had to re-torque after only about 25 hours. I also noted another
> RV-10 that obviously needed re-torquing (nosewheel freely swinging
> around during a landing that I saw from the ground). That plane had
> about 35 hours on it at the time.
>
> Other thing that I noted is that the initial grease infusion
> (Aeroshell
> #5) didn't last very long - you could hear binding noises while
> turning
> the nosewheel with the towbar. I wound up taking things apart,
> cleaning
> them up and then switching to a different type of grease which seems
> to
> be working better.
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I switched to a heavy bearing grease with graphite in it. It was recommended as
tending to "stay put" better than the Aeroshell #5. I got it at a local auto
parts store and it's apparently widely used on farm equipment.
It may be that the #5 would work great and that for some reason either the grease
didn't fully "flood" the assembly or that it somehow worked it's way out over
the first 25 hours or so as things loosened up. I noticed a strange sound
when turning the nosewheel after about the first 25 hours and took things apart
to investigate. First thing I noticed was how loose the fork was from the "break
in" of the belleville washers. I found a little grease on the bushing but
virtually none on the shaft. It must have made it through the fitting since
there was grease on the bushing and it also squeezed out the top when originally
filled. I also noticed a little mild surface rust on the shaft at that point.
I cleaned everything up, polished the shaft and switched to the heavier
grease. I've only got about 25 hours on the plane since then but it's clear
that there is still grease in the assembly and no other issues.
I haven't heard of this in any other plane so it might be that somehow the assembly
just didn't get lubed sufficiently the first time. In any case, all seems
well now but I'm watching it very closely.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
As Jesse stays quiet...=C2-=C2- :) How many has Saint Aviation put up J
esse? And I'm not flaming you at all (sorta)...just curious.
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:10:49 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
Thank you, Tim.
Do you happen to know how many customer built RV-10s are flying at this tim
e?
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Olson
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
Big congrats to you Roger!=C2- I updated you on the builders list
to the "Flying" area!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> *Subject:* RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
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>=C2-
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> N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane!
> What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little
> left rudder to center the ball.
>
> Total time 1.75 hours!
>
> All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT
> on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe
> causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
> went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
>
> The plan is to continue tomorrow.
>
>=C2-
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I used Aeroshell #5 on mine on initial assembly, I'm not so sure there is a grease
that can hold up to the brute force action of this type of nose wheel system,
only good cleaning, greasing and maintenance will keep it working well. Maybe
a marine grease (boat trailer bearings) that has a higher viscosity, film
strength and moisture resistance. I'd like to know what Bob came up with.
FWIW...to get the initial torque and get the nut to line up was on the lower scale
of the pull test...my plans are to taxi test with lots of turns, then recheck
and re-torque at that point. Don't forget the cotter pin.....would be a bear
to land without the nose wheel, unless you had a crew of two and one could
crawl back to the baggage compartment to offset the weight on the nose wheel.
Rick S.
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Ackerman" <johnag5b@cableone.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:27 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Nosewheel breakout force
What type of grease, Bob?
On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:
> >
>
> Rick,
>
> I had to re-torque after only about 25 hours. I also noted another
> RV-10 that obviously needed re-torquing (nosewheel freely swinging
> around during a landing that I saw from the ground). That plane had
> about 35 hours on it at the time.
>
> Other thing that I noted is that the initial grease infusion
> (Aeroshell
> #5) didn't last very long - you could hear binding noises while
> turning
> the nosewheel with the towbar. I wound up taking things apart,
> cleaning
> them up and then switching to a different type of grease which seems
> to
> be working better.
>
> Bob
> N442PM (flying)
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
He rounded it...com'on Ron!!!!! After this long building you need to ask!!
=C2-=C2- =C2-:)
My guess is they pulled it, pushed it worked it till=C2-the high side loo
ked round on the clamp side, then=C2-tightend the crap outta the hose cla
mp......rolled side...new pipe,=C2- no better fix on that part, wouldn't
settle for less on the rolled side.
Rick S.
40185
Two builder numbers in front of Ron! :)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron McGANN" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 4:28:36 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
Congratulations Roger - way to go!
May I ask how you fixed the out-of-round intake pipe?
cheers,
Ron
187 almost done.
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Sent: Wednesday, 2 July 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great plane! Wha
t a beast! Handles=C2-almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a little
left rudder to center the ball.=C2-
Total time 1.75 hours!
All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle EGT on #
6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake pipe causing
an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly went high and
was later traced to the CHT probe.
The plan is to continue tomorrow.
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
My only concern is the graphite...which is abrasive by nature..wouldn't that cause
more wear?
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 7:23:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nosewheel breakout force
I switched to a heavy bearing grease with graphite in it. It was recommended as
tending to "stay put" better than the Aeroshell #5. I got it at a local auto
parts store and it's apparently widely used on farm equipment.
It may be that the #5 would work great and that for some reason either the grease
didn't fully "flood" the assembly or that it somehow worked it's way out over
the first 25 hours or so as things loosened up. I noticed a strange sound
when turning the nosewheel after about the first 25 hours and took things apart
to investigate. First thing I noticed was how loose the fork was from the "break
in" of the belleville washers. I found a little grease on the bushing but
virtually none on the shaft. It must have made it through the fitting since
there was grease on the bushing and it also squeezed out the top when originally
filled. I also noticed a little mild surface rust on the shaft at that point.
I cleaned everything up, polished the shaft and switched to the heavier
grease. I've only got about 25 hours on the plane since then but it's clear
that there is still grease in the assembly and no other issues.
I haven't heard of this in any other plane so it might be that somehow the assembly
just didn't get lubed sufficiently the first time. In any case, all seems
well now but I'm watching it very closely.
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190994#190994
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| Subject: | Re: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008 |
We have HELPED get 5 RV-10's flying so far.
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 2, 2008, at 10:38 PM, Rick Sked wrote:
> As Jesse stays quiet... :) How many has Saint Aviation put up
> Jesse? And I'm not flaming you at all (sorta)...just curious.
>
> Rick Sked
>
> 40185
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 5:10:49 PM (GMT-0800) America/
> Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
>
>
> Thank you, Tim.
>
> Do you happen to know how many customer built RV-10s are flying at
> this time?
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim Olson
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:23 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
>
>
> Big congrats to you Roger! I updated you on the builders list
> to the "Flying" area!
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
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> > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:27 AM
> > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* RV10-List: N291RV flies on July 1, 2008
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > N291RV had its first, second and third flights today! WOW! Great
> plane!
> > What a beast! Handles almost hands free. At hi cruise, it needs a
> little
> > left rudder to center the ball.
> >
> > Total time 1.75 hours!
> >
> > All went well with only a few minor problems to work through. Idle
> EGT
> > on #6 cylinder was high and was found to be an out-of-round intake
> pipe
> > causing an air intake leak Late in first flight, the #2 CHT suddenly
> > went high and was later traced to the CHT probe.
> >
> > The plan is to continue tomorrow.
> >
> >
> >
> > Roger Standley
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Nosewheel breakout force |
I do know that I've run across info that graphite should definitely
not be used on aluminum. I'm hoping that the fork isn't all
aluminum under that area. I know you're not even supposed to
mark skins with pencils for that reason. Not sure if in this
application it matters or not, but something worth researching.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Rick Sked wrote:
>
> My only concern is the graphite...which is abrasive by nature..wouldn't that
cause more wear?
>
> Rick S.
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 7:23:48 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Nosewheel breakout force
>
>
> I switched to a heavy bearing grease with graphite in it. It was recommended
as tending to "stay put" better than the Aeroshell #5. I got it at a local auto
parts store and it's apparently widely used on farm equipment.
>
> It may be that the #5 would work great and that for some reason either the grease
didn't fully "flood" the assembly or that it somehow worked it's way out
over the first 25 hours or so as things loosened up. I noticed a strange sound
when turning the nosewheel after about the first 25 hours and took things apart
to investigate. First thing I noticed was how loose the fork was from the
"break in" of the belleville washers. I found a little grease on the bushing
but virtually none on the shaft. It must have made it through the fitting since
there was grease on the bushing and it also squeezed out the top when originally
filled. I also noticed a little mild surface rust on the shaft at that
point. I cleaned everything up, polished the shaft and switched to the heavier
grease. I've only got about 25 hours on the plane since then but it's clear
that there is still grease in the assembly and no other issues.
>
> I haven't heard of this in any other plane so it might be that somehow the assembly
just didn't get lubed sufficiently the first time. In any case, all seems
well now but I'm watching it very closely.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190994#190994
>
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| Subject: | gasoline rebates |
There are credit cards that provide a 3-5% rebate on fuel purchases. The key
is that the fuel purchase is coded as vehicle expense when sent to the card
company. BP supposedly provides 5% but their prices are so OTT that the
rebate is worthless; as well as the credit limit they supply for the card
allows about 80 gallons of fuel per month at today's prices. A Chase card
provides 3% rebate on any fuel purchase that is coded "vehicle expenses".
This might help a little on the OSH trip this year.
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