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1. 05:18 AM - GRT AHRS Mounting (jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com)
2. 05:38 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting (Rene Felker)
3. 06:50 AM - Re: GRT AHRS Mounting (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
4. 10:55 AM - Plane Crash (Robin Marks)
5. 11:27 AM - Re: Plane Crash (bruce breckenridge)
6. 11:35 AM - Re: Plane Crash (pascal)
7. 01:05 PM - Re: Plane Crash (tom.on.the.road@juno.com)
8. 04:14 PM - Re: Plane Crash (Marcus Cooper)
9. 05:05 PM - SLICK MAGs (Robin Marks)
10. 05:27 PM - Re: SLICK MAGs (McGANN, Ron)
11. 06:06 PM - Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (nukeflyboy)
12. 06:53 PM - Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (Marcus Cooper)
13. 09:01 PM - Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting |
Has anyone mounted the GRT AHRS unit behind the instrument panel, instead
of the 'traditional' location of in the tailcone? Any reason to avoid
mounting the AHRS behind the instrument panel (we have the room)? The
wiring harness that GRT provided is short, if we decide to mount in the
tailcone, we will have to either splice the wires, or install longer
wires. Obviously we want to avoid both splices, and unnecessary wire runs
to the rear.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4-Partner Build (Jason Kreidler, Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner)
Sheboygan Falls, WI
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting |
I put mine on a shelf between the sub-panel and the firewall. I do not
think I have any pictures. The shelf attaches to the lower flange of the
sub-panel (which I reinforced) and the fire wall. The entire shelf can be
removed with the AHRS on it. I used the bottom of the shelf to mount other
items also. It has worked out ok so far....~40 flight hours.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT AHRS Mounting
Has anyone mounted the GRT AHRS unit behind the instrument panel, instead of
the 'traditional' location of in the tailcone? Any reason to avoid mounting
the AHRS behind the instrument panel (we have the room)? The wiring harness
that GRT provided is short, if we decide to mount in the tailcone, we will
have to either splice the wires, or install longer wires. Obviously we want
to avoid both splices, and unnecessary wire runs to the rear.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4-Partner Build (Jason Kreidler, Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner)
Sheboygan Falls, WI
#40617 Finishing
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| Subject: | GRT AHRS Mounting |
Mine is mounted between the firewall and subpanel on the right side of
the right panel rib. It's only the magnetometer that most mount back in
the tailcone.
Bob
N442PM (flying)
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jason.kreidler@regalbeloit.com
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 7:15 AM
Subject: RV10-List: GRT AHRS Mounting
Has anyone mounted the GRT AHRS unit behind the instrument panel,
instead of the 'traditional' location of in the tailcone? Any reason to
avoid mounting the AHRS behind the instrument panel (we have the room)?
The wiring harness that GRT provided is short, if we decide to mount in
the tailcone, we will have to either splice the wires, or install longer
wires. Obviously we want to avoid both splices, and unnecessary wire
runs to the rear.
Thanks, Jason Kreidler
4-Partner Build (Jason Kreidler, Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elsner)
Sheboygan Falls, WI
#40617 Finishing
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Yesterday while flying back from SBP to WHP (a regular commute) I tuned
in to speak with SOCAL traffic. They asked if I had time to look for a
downed plane. I had picked up a strong ELT when I crossed Santa Paula
airport but I assumed someone was either testing their ELT on the
airport or ???. I said sure I have time and would be happy to help.
SOCAL asked me to fly towards the Reagan Presidential Library. I asked
for vectors but they didn't really know however I had some idea and
within 30 seconds located the HUGE building on the top of a hill. I
didn't realize Reagan was such a big reader. From there ATC thought the
plane was about 2 miles west. It took about another 10 seconds to locate
the plane. I expected that it would be VERY difficult to find unless
there was smoke but the plane was lying in a hill side completely intact
and spread eagle so it was a snap to locate. I gave ATC the GPS
coordinates and circled waiting for emergency response vehicles. I was
even able to redirect the response team when they went the wrong way on
a dirt road. It was kind of fun. I told ATC they were going the wrong
way and 10 seconds later I see all the vehicles stop and dust fly up as
they reversed their course. It was difficult to tell from 3,000' but I
suspected the plane was upside down and I think I saw 4-5 people
standing near the nose of the plane. I also saw a truck on the upper
road so I assumed that there were survivors and aid from a local
rancher. I believe the pilot tried to land on the upslope of the small
hill and dug the nose into the hillside putting the Cessna on its back.
Once the police/fire were onsite there was nothing more I could do. ATC
thanked me for my assistance and headed off to complete my flight into
LA.
This morning I found a link with video of the plane and the
results. Note it is NOT a 172 but a retract Cessna, most likely a 206 or
210 (not an expert on Cessna's)
http://cbs2.com/local/Simi.Valley.Crash.2.767545.html
It's obviously too early to know what caused the crash but all I can
think about these days are defective Mags.
While circling the site I had time to think how great owning
an RV-9 or RV-8 with a IO-320 would be to perform this function.
Tremendous plane with excellent visibility and low fuel burn.
Robin
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looks like an American Flyers plane from Santa Monica.
Nice job Robin, just think if you were in the CAP you would be given the
"Distress find awards "
Pascal
From: Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 10:52 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Plane Crash
Yesterday while flying back from SBP to WHP (a regular commute) I tuned
in to speak with SOCAL traffic. They asked if I had time to look for a
downed plane. I had picked up a strong ELT when I crossed Santa Paula
airport but I assumed someone was either testing their ELT on the
airport or ???. I said sure I have time and would be happy to help.
SOCAL asked me to fly towards the Reagan Presidential Library. I asked
for vectors but they didn't really know however I had some idea and
within 30 seconds located the HUGE building on the top of a hill. I
didn't realize Reagan was such a big reader. From there ATC thought the
plane was about 2 miles west. It took about another 10 seconds to locate
the plane. I expected that it would be VERY difficult to find unless
there was smoke but the plane was lying in a hill side completely intact
and spread eagle so it was a snap to locate. I gave ATC the GPS
coordinates and circled waiting for emergency response vehicles. I was
even able to redirect the response team when they went the wrong way on
a dirt road. It was kind of fun. I told ATC they were going the wrong
way and 10 seconds later I see all the vehicles stop and dust fly up as
they reversed their course. It was difficult to tell from 3,000' but I
suspected the plane was upside down and I think I saw 4-5 people
standing near the nose of the plane. I also saw a truck on the upper
road so I assumed that there were survivors and aid from a local
rancher. I believe the pilot tried to land on the upslope of the small
hill and dug the nose into the hillside putting the Cessna on its back.
Once the police/fire were onsite there was nothing more I could do. ATC
thanked me for my assistance and headed off to complete my flight into
LA.
This morning I found a link with video of the plane and the
results. Note it is NOT a 172 but a retract Cessna, most likely a 206 or
210 (not an expert on Cessna's)
http://cbs2.com/local/Simi.Valley.Crash.2.767545.html
It's obviously too early to know what caused the crash but all I can
think about these days are defective Mags.
While circling the site I had time to think how great owning
an RV-9 or RV-8 with a IO-320 would be to perform this function.
Tremendous plane with excellent visibility and low fuel burn.
Robin
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I used to work for Cessna. Since it has wing struts, it's either a 172RG
(Cutless) or a 182RG.
Hate to see it happen (to anybody).
Tom
On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:52:23 -0400 "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
writes:
Yesterday while flying back from SBP to WHP (a regular commute) I tuned
in to speak with SOCAL traffic. They asked if I had time to look for a
downed plane. I had picked up a strong ELT when I crossed Santa Paula
airport but I assumed someone was either testing their ELT on the airport
or ???. I said sure I have time and would be happy to help. SOCAL asked
me to fly towards the Reagan Presidential Library. I asked for vectors
but they didnt really know however I had some idea and within 30 seconds
located the HUGE building on the top of a hill. I didnt realize Reagan
was such a big reader. From there ATC thought the plane was about 2 miles
west. It took about another 10 seconds to locate the plane. I expected
that it would be VERY difficult to find unless there was smoke but the
plane was lying in a hill side completely intact and spread eagle so it
was a snap to locate. I gave ATC the GPS coordinates and circled waiting
for emergency response vehicles. I was even able to redirect the response
team when they went the wrong way on a dirt road. It was kind of fun. I
told ATC they were going the wrong way and 10 seconds later I see all the
vehicles stop and dust fly up as they reversed their course. It was
difficult to tell from 3,000 but I suspected the plane was upside down
and I think I saw 4-5 people standing near the nose of the plane. I also
saw a truck on the upper road so I assumed that there were survivors and
aid from a local rancher. I believe the pilot tried to land on the
upslope of the small hill and dug the nose into the hillside putting the
Cessna on its back. Once the police/fire were onsite there was nothing
more I could do. ATC thanked me for my assistance and headed off to
complete my flight into LA.
This morning I found a link with video of the plane and the
results. Note it is NOT a 172 but a retract Cessna, most likely a 206 or
210 (not an expert on Cessnas)
http://cbs2.com/local/Simi.Valley.Crash.2.767545.html
Its obviously too early to know what caused the crash but all I can
think about these days are defective Mags.
While circling the site I had time to think how great owning
an RV-9 or RV-8 with a IO-320 would be to perform this function.
Tremendous plane with excellent visibility and low fuel burn.
Robin
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Robin,
Well done, I can guarantee the folks in the airplane sure appreciate your
efforts! It sounds like the occupants had only minor injuries fortunately,
but had it been otherwise your assistance could easily have made all the
difference in the world to them. I wish I could have seen the screeching
halt and reversal by the rescue crews, that was a hoot to watch I'm sure.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:52 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Plane Crash
Yesterday while flying back from SBP to WHP (a regular commute) I tuned in
to speak with SOCAL traffic. They asked if I had time to look for a downed
plane. I had picked up a strong ELT when I crossed Santa Paula airport but I
assumed someone was either testing their ELT on the airport or ???. I said
sure I have time and would be happy to help. SOCAL asked me to fly towards
the Reagan Presidential Library. I asked for vectors but they didn't really
know however I had some idea and within 30 seconds located the HUGE building
on the top of a hill. I didn't realize Reagan was such a big reader. From
there ATC thought the plane was about 2 miles west. It took about another 10
seconds to locate the plane. I expected that it would be VERY difficult to
find unless there was smoke but the plane was lying in a hill side
completely intact and spread eagle so it was a snap to locate. I gave ATC
the GPS coordinates and circled waiting for emergency response vehicles. I
was even able to redirect the response team when they went the wrong way on
a dirt road. It was kind of fun. I told ATC they were going the wrong way
and 10 seconds later I see all the vehicles stop and dust fly up as they
reversed their course. It was difficult to tell from 3,000' but I suspected
the plane was upside down and I think I saw 4-5 people standing near the
nose of the plane. I also saw a truck on the upper road so I assumed that
there were survivors and aid from a local rancher. I believe the pilot tried
to land on the upslope of the small hill and dug the nose into the hillside
putting the Cessna on its back. Once the police/fire were onsite there was
nothing more I could do. ATC thanked me for my assistance and headed off to
complete my flight into LA.
This morning I found a link with video of the plane and the
results. Note it is NOT a 172 but a retract Cessna, most likely a 206 or 210
(not an expert on Cessna's)
http://cbs2.com/local/Simi.Valley.Crash.2.767545.html
A small plane crashed in a Simi Valley field, but no one was hurt.
It's obviously too early to know what caused the crash but all I can think
about these days are defective Mags.
While circling the site I had time to think how great owning an
RV-9 or RV-8 with a IO-320 would be to perform this function. Tremendous
plane with excellent visibility and low fuel burn.
Robin
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I emailed BPE this morning regarding the joy of having TWO brand
spanking new mags that fall under the SB. Rhonda did a little research
and found a solution that gets around the SB / future inspections. She
OK'd me to post this to the list:
Here is the pricing from the local accessory shop in Tulsa, Quality
Aircraft Accessories. Replace the carbon brush and cam, including labor
for any Slick mag at or around 100 hours for $75/mag. This would be
Aero-Accessory replacement parts, so they would not be affected by the
SB after the repair.
Justin Hicks at Quality can be reached directly at (918) 835-6948 for
assistance.
I am not sure what it takes to do this yourself. The SB makes the
replacement seem pretty simple.
Robin
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I expect any new engine or rebuilt engine with new mags will be affected
by the SB. I bought my engine from Vans mid '07 and I too have dud
mags. I contacted Unison to see if I could have them replaced under
warranty - mine are brand new never run. The simple issue is that they
have NO solution and have nothing better to replace them with. Given
our deeeep south location, there are not many options with alternate
brush/cam suppliers, so I have no choice other than inspections every
15-20 hrs until 50hrs per the SB. I just hope the mags are not
difficult to remove - I am having nightmares about dropping a support
bracket or nut into the engine accessory case already.
cheers,
Ron
-187, Tailcone SB done, back to finishing.
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Friday, 11 July 2008 9:32 AM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs
I emailed BPE this morning regarding the joy of having TWO brand
spanking new mags that fall under the SB. Rhonda did a little research
and found a solution that gets around the SB / future inspections. She
OK'd me to post this to the list:
Here is the pricing from the local accessory shop in Tulsa,
Quality Aircraft Accessories. Replace the carbon brush and cam,
including labor for any Slick mag at or around 100 hours for $75/mag.
This would be Aero-Accessory replacement parts, so they would not be
affected by the SB after the repair.
Justin Hicks at Quality can be reached directly at (918)
835-6948 for assistance.
I am not sure what it takes to do this yourself. The SB makes
the replacement seem pretty simple.
Robin
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| Subject: | Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes |
Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel lines.
The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees to the left (looking
forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve. Two of the ports then
angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the wing tanks.
However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are about 90 degrees
different than the plans. They must have been factory pre-drilled that
way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket (again looking forward)
they are on the right side. The part is asymetrical so it is not installed
wrong.
With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the other side
of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems too wierd.
Have any of you seen this?
--------
Dave
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB building
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| Subject: | Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes |
Dave,
I just had a look at a picture of my fuel valve. You're right, your
mount appears to have been drilled 180 out. I have the mount holes forward
and left, yours was probably accidently drilled upside down. You might be
able to just accept it as you said, but if it makes more sense to position
the valve as planned (the biggest concern would be having the output port
facing forward) then I'd drill new holes.
Another option would be to opt for the Andair valve now if you think you
might be so inclined at some point. I just upgraded my system and it would
have been a lot easier at your stage rather than after it's flying.
Marcus
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes
Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel
lines. The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees to the
left (looking forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve. Two of
the ports then angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the wing tanks.
However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are about
90 degrees different than the plans. They must have been factory
pre-drilled that way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket
(again looking forward) they are on the right side. The part is asymetrical
so it is not installed wrong.
With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the other
side of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems too wierd.
Have any of you seen this?
--------
Dave
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB building
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192201#192201
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes |
Yes. I just installed the valve by looking at the ports and mounting so the
valve supplies fuel from the correct tank when the valve selector is in the
corresponding position. I purchased a red anodized selector replacement
from Van's and the indicator disc. The valve mounts fine, but I also noted
the discrepancy with the plans.
Dave Leikam
#40496 N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "nukeflyboy" <flymoore@charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:03 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes
>
> Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel
> lines. The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees to
> the left (looking forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve.
> Two of the ports then angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the
> wing tanks.
>
> However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are about
> 90 degrees different than the plans. They must have been factory
> pre-drilled that way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket
> (again looking forward) they are on the right side. The part is
> asymetrical so it is not installed wrong.
>
> With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the
> other side of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems
> too wierd.
>
> Have any of you seen this?
>
> --------
> Dave
> RV-6 flying
> RV-10 QB building
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192201#192201
>
>
>
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