---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/11/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:36 AM - OT: Traveling with the Dog and his mutt muffs (Tim Olson) 2. 07:50 AM - Re: OT: Traveling with the Dog and his mutt muffs (Rick Sked) 3. 08:11 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (William Curtis) 4. 08:15 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Jesse Saint) 5. 08:40 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Deems Davis) 6. 08:48 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Tim Olson) 7. 08:53 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Tim Olson) 8. 09:17 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (William Curtis) 9. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (MauleDriver) 10. 10:21 AM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Tim Olson) 11. 12:26 PM - Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (John Hilger) 12. 01:09 PM - OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last Reminder (bcondrey) 13. 08:35 PM - Re: SLICK MAGs (Patrick Thyssen) 14. 09:41 PM - Re: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes (Dave Leikam) 15. 10:30 PM - Re: Homebrew O2 System (bryanflood) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:02 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: RV10-List: OT: Traveling with the Dog and his mutt muffs I thought some of you folks who've written me in the past esp. after our last dog was put down would appreciate seeing this blurb I threw up that shows the new dog and his Mutt Muffs. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/MuttMuffs/index.html We've been able to take him on a few flights this year, and he does great in the plane. Too bad he won't be at OSH. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:01 AM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: OT: Traveling with the Dog and his mutt muffs Tim I laughed my you know what off at the "sets" story, Having met your wife, I thought she would have learned by now how to avoid that situation!!! TOO FUNNY!!!! Rick Sked do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Olson" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 7:32:56 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: OT: Traveling with the Dog and his mutt muffs I thought some of you folks who've written me in the past esp. after our last dog was put down would appreciate seeing this blurb I threw up that shows the new dog and his Mutt Muffs. http://www.myrv10.com/tips/accessories/MuttMuffs/index.html We've been able to take him on a few flights this year, and he does great in the plane. Too bad he won't be at OSH. -- Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs From: "William Curtis" Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ -------- Original Message -------- > I expect any new engine or rebuilt engine with new mags will be affected > by the SB. I bought my engine from Vans mid '07 and I too have dud > mags. I contacted Unison to see if I could have them replaced under > warranty - mine are brand new never run. The simple issue is that they > have NO solution and have nothing better to replace them with. Given > our deeeep south location, there are not many options with alternate > brush/cam suppliers, so I have no choice other than inspections every > 15-20 hrs until 50hrs per the SB. I just hope the mags are not > difficult to remove - I am having nightmares about dropping a support > bracket or nut into the engine accessory case already. > > cheers, > Ron > -187, Tailcone SB done, back to finishing. > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Friday, 11 July 2008 9:32 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs > > > I emailed BPE this morning regarding the joy of having TWO brand > spanking new mags that fall under the SB. Rhonda did a little research > and found a solution that gets around the SB / future inspections. She > OK'd me to post this to the list: > > > Here is the pricing from the local accessory shop in Tulsa, > Quality Aircraft Accessories. Replace the carbon brush and cam, > including labor for any Slick mag at or around 100 hours for $75/mag. > This would be Aero-Accessory replacement parts, so they would not be > affected by the SB after the repair. > > > > Justin Hicks at Quality can be reached directly at (918) > 835-6948 for assistance. > > I am not sure what it takes to do this yourself. The SB makes > the replacement seem pretty simple. > > Robin > > > > > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. 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I contacted Unison to see if I could have them > replaced under warranty - mine are brand new never run. The simple > issue is that they have NO solution and have nothing better to > replace them with. Given our deeeep south location, there are not > many options with alternate brush/cam suppliers, so I have no choice > other than inspections every 15-20 hrs until 50hrs per the SB. I > just hope the mags are not difficult to remove - I am having > nightmares about dropping a support bracket or nut into the engine > accessory case already. > > cheers, > Ron > -187, Tailcone SB done, back to finishing. > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks > Sent: Friday, 11 July 2008 9:32 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs > > I emailed BPE this morning regarding the joy of having TWO brand > spanking new mags that fall under the SB. Rhonda did a little > research and found a solution that gets around the SB / future > inspections. She OK=92d me to post this to the list: > > Here is the pricing from the local accessory shop in Tulsa, Quality > Aircraft Accessories. Replace the carbon brush and cam, including > labor for any Slick mag at or around 100 hours for $75/mag. This > would be Aero-Accessory replacement parts, so they would not be > affected by the SB after the repair. > > Justin Hicks at Quality can be reached directly at (918) 835-6948 > for assistance. > > I am not sure what it takes to do this yourself. The SB makes the > replacement seem pretty simple. > > Robin > p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ics.com > .matronics.com/contribution > > "Warning: > The information contained in this email and any attached files is > confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended > recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any > attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email > in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been > taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, > however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the > sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus > checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to > your computer." > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:36 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs Not being within the serial number range, avoids the frequent inspection intervals, but it doesn't necessarily avoid the problem, I know of a couple of indicents where mags outside of the serial number range have gone belly up with 50 hours or less. Wayne, I suspect your 1st flight mag loss was one which had a serial number les than 610? As I understand the history, Unison knows they have a problem with their mags, and attempted to fix it with different parts, the new parts (reflected in the 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx serial number range, didn't fix the problem, and apparently made it worse. I read a comment on another list where someone said they heard (heresay) from Unison that they hoped to have a fix in Aug ?!?!?) the beat goes on. Deems haggling with the painter William Curtis wrote: > > Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:57 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored it on my system: http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf I'm sure it's on their site too. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number. > But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2 > nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that > pile. See attached. 0409#### and up. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > William Curtis wrote: >> >> >> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my >> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. >> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. >> >> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ >> ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:49 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs Here's the original 2...someone else posted a couple days ago. http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs/SB584.pdf http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs/SB583.pdf Isn't it funny how AWFUL Unison's site is that you can't even easily find info about the SB's on it? Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Tim Olson wrote: > Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored > it on my system: > > http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf > I'm sure it's on their site too. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Tim Olson wrote: >> That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number. >> But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2 >> nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that >> pile. See attached. 0409#### and up. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> William Curtis wrote: >>> >>> >>> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my >>> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. >>> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. >>> >>> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ >>> > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs From: "William Curtis" Got it. So while I don't have the "new bad" brushes, I have the "old bad" brushes, both subject to repetitive inspections. For my "old bad" brushes, I will have to do 15-20 hour inspections to 50 hours, then 250 hour inspections after 50 hours until they come up with a permanent fix. For the "new bad" brushes, inspect in the next 50 hours, then every 100 hours thereafter until they come up with a permanent fix. They make this clear as mud with those two separate Service Bulletins. William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ -------- Original Message -------- > > > Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored > it on my system: > > http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf > I'm sure it's on their site too. > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Tim Olson wrote: > > That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number. > > But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2 > > nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that > > pile. See attached. 0409#### and up. > > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > > do not archive > > > > > > William Curtis wrote: > >> > >> > >> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my > >> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. > >> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. > >> > >> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:56 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes If a new fuel valve would help, I'd be glad to ship mine since I used the Andair. Just contact me directly. Bill Watson Marcus Cooper wrote: > > Dave, > I just had a look at a picture of my fuel valve. You're right, your > mount appears to have been drilled 180 out. I have the mount holes forward > and left, yours was probably accidently drilled upside down. You might be > able to just accept it as you said, but if it makes more sense to position > the valve as planned (the biggest concern would be having the output port > facing forward) then I'd drill new holes. > > Another option would be to opt for the Andair valve now if you think you > might be so inclined at some point. I just upgraded my system and it would > have been a lot easier at your stage rather than after it's flying. > > Marcus > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:04 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes > > > Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel > lines. The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees to the > left (looking forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve. Two of > the ports then angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the wing tanks. > > > However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are about > 90 degrees different than the plans. They must have been factory > pre-drilled that way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket > (again looking forward) they are on the right side. The part is asymetrical > so it is not installed wrong. > > With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the other > side of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems too wierd. > > Have any of you seen this? > > -------- > Dave > RV-6 flying > RV-10 QB building > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192201#192201 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:57 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs Yeah, and lucky me, I didn't even know about the problems until near 350 hours....so at least I flew worry-free. ;) I guess considering mine haven't failed, I was probably better not knowing. ;) Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive William Curtis wrote: > > Got it. So while I don't have the "new bad" brushes, I have the "old bad" brushes, both subject to repetitive inspections. > > For my "old bad" brushes, I will have to do 15-20 hour inspections to 50 hours, then 250 hour inspections after 50 hours until they come up with a permanent fix. > For the "new bad" brushes, inspect in the next 50 hours, then every 100 hours thereafter until they come up with a permanent fix. > They make this clear as mud with those two separate Service Bulletins. > > William > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ > > -------- Original Message -------- >> >> Sorry, the attachment was too large. Here's where I stored >> it on my system: >> >> http://www.myrv10.com/files/engines/Slick_Mags/SB584.pdf >> I'm sure it's on their site too. >> >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> Tim Olson wrote: >>> That's what I thought, at first. My s/n was an 0503 number. >>> But, if you dig in and look up the other SB (there are 2 >>> nearly identical), you'll find that yours is in that >>> pile. See attached. 0409#### and up. >>> >>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >>> do not archive >>> >>> >>> William Curtis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my >>>> engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. >>>> The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. >>>> >>>> William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:15 PM PST US From: "John Hilger" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes Dave Here is a picture of Randy DeBauw's fuel vavle installed, it looks just like the plans. One question, if you were to remove and reinstal it upside down, would the hole orientation be correct? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "MauleDriver" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes > > If a new fuel valve would help, I'd be glad to ship mine since I used > the Andair. Just contact me directly. > > Bill Watson > > Marcus Cooper wrote: > > > > Dave, > > I just had a look at a picture of my fuel valve. You're right, your > > mount appears to have been drilled 180 out. I have the mount holes forward > > and left, yours was probably accidently drilled upside down. You might be > > able to just accept it as you said, but if it makes more sense to position > > the valve as planned (the biggest concern would be having the output port > > facing forward) then I'd drill new holes. > > > > Another option would be to opt for the Andair valve now if you think you > > might be so inclined at some point. I just upgraded my system and it would > > have been a lot easier at your stage rather than after it's flying. > > > > Marcus > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy > > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:04 PM > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes > > > > > > Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel > > lines. The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees to the > > left (looking forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve. Two of > > the ports then angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the wing tanks. > > > > > > However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are about > > 90 degrees different than the plans. They must have been factory > > pre-drilled that way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket > > (again looking forward) they are on the right side. The part is asymetrical > > so it is not installed wrong. > > > > With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the other > > side of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems too wierd. > > > > Have any of you seen this? > > > > -------- > > Dave > > RV-6 flying > > RV-10 QB building > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192201#192201 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:09:41 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: OSH RV-10 HQ Camping Last Reminder From: "bcondrey" Last friendly reminder... Time is getting short - It's only a week until Tim will be going over to stake out sites and within a couple days of that I'll stake out the remaining sites and be there for the duration. If you've been on the fence about camping with us, time is getting short! We need to have money in hand no later than Thursday 7/17 for your site. I think just about all of the folks that registered have paid already, but if you haven't it's probably time to bump that to the top of your "to do" list! The reservation chart (link below) reflects everybody that we know of that's signed up, if your name isn't there and you think it should be please contact Tim or I ASAP so we can straighten it out. Even if you're not camping with us, feel free to swing by for a cold drink and some camaraderie. We'll post a map with our location the early the week of 7/21 so you can find us (5-10 minute walk from "Hangar B"). Here's a link to the post with details on how to register, etc: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=43892 Frequently asked questions: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/Camping_FAQ.html and the current reservation chart: http://www.myrv10.com/osh/2008_Campsites.html This is not in any way a money making venture for any of us - we're just trying to facilitate an area for the RV-10 folks to enjoy the show and maybe a couple of after hours events. Bob RV-10 N442PM (flying) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192308#192308 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:11 PM PST US From: Patrick Thyssen Subject: Re: RV10-List: SLICK MAGs OK here's my take on slick mags. For the past 12 yrs I have basically used them anytime I can. My way of doing business is 500 hr inspection and at 1000 get new ones. I have not had any failures. I just ask how much is a night cought out and out of town repairs worth to you? Go and ask the fish spotters ,Who flies 10-12 hrs days,what they do. They put more hrs on a plane then any of us. My customers have heeded what I preach and seems okay since most fly IFR and do not need the hassles. Now you can complain all you want about them but I'll continue to use them for all applications I can. Heck I have a engine Overhauled and had 1.5 hrs on the cylinders, I had to get 6 new ones. My fuel system has an AD. My tail sections had a major service bulletin. My crossbow has had two revisions. All this and don't have a hr on the aircraft. I'll be pulling two aircraft down in the next week to look at them and see what's going on. I had the 500 hr inspectins done 375 hrs ago and they changed points and whatever,One of the problems is, you reset timing last 100 hr and now they are off again 2-3 degrees but you can't remember how much they were off the last time. What do you do? I know what I'm going to do. I would have to say Normally I have to reset timing once during the 500 hr, but I check it almost everytime I change oil. It doesn't take that long to do. So it doesn't have to be new mags but one that someone put parts in. I know I rambling but Deems asked for it. Patrick Thyssen AP/IA ATP will finish when I do - maybe sept. Deems Davis wrote: Not being within the serial number range, avoids the frequent inspection intervals, but it doesn't necessarily avoid the problem, I know of a couple of indicents where mags outside of the serial number range have gone belly up with 50 hours or less. Wayne, I suspect your 1st flight mag loss was one which had a serial number les than 610? As I understand the history, Unison knows they have a problem with their mags, and attempted to fix it with different parts, the new parts (reflected in the 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx serial number range, didn't fix the problem, and apparently made it worse. I read a comment on another list where someone said they heard (heresay) from Unison that they hoped to have a fix in Aug ?!?!?) the beat goes on. Deems haggling with the painter William Curtis wrote: > > Just Checked my TMX IO-540 delivered in '07 and it looks like my engine is good. My serial number is 0604 1519, model 6351 rev C. The affected range is 0610xxxx thru 0804xxxx. > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:43 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes If you think about the position of the ports, it works either way. You just plug a different port depending on the mount. Don't know why Van changed the mount from the plans, you just have to scratch your head for a minute. Dave Leikam #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hilger" Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes > Dav > Here is a picture of Randy DeBauw's fuel vavle installed, it looks just > like the plans. > > One question, if you were to remove and reinstal it upside down, would the > hole orientation be correct? > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MauleDriver" > To: > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:44 AM > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes > > >> >> If a new fuel valve would help, I'd be glad to ship mine since I used >> the Andair. Just contact me directly. >> >> Bill Watson >> >> Marcus Cooper wrote: >> > >> > Dave, >> > I just had a look at a picture of my fuel valve. You're right, your >> > mount appears to have been drilled 180 out. I have the mount holes > forward >> > and left, yours was probably accidently drilled upside down. You might > be >> > able to just accept it as you said, but if it makes more sense to > position >> > the valve as planned (the biggest concern would be having the output > port >> > facing forward) then I'd drill new holes. >> > >> > Another option would be to opt for the Andair valve now if you think >> > you >> > might be so inclined at some point. I just upgraded my system and it > would >> > have been a lot easier at your stage rather than after it's flying. >> > >> > Marcus >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nukeflyboy >> > Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 8:04 PM >> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Bracket Orientation of Holes >> > >> > >> > Here is something wierd. I have a QB fuselage and am installing fuel >> > lines. The plans show the Van's fuel valve oriented about 45 degrees >> > to > the >> > left (looking forward) relative to the mounting holes on the valve. >> > Two > of >> > the ports then angle aft, left and right, for connecting to the wing > tanks. >> > >> > >> > However, the mouning holes on the F-1048C valve mounting bracket are > about >> > 90 degrees different than the plans. They must have been factory >> > pre-drilled that way. Instead of being on the left side of the bracket >> > (again looking forward) they are on the right side. The part is > asymetrical >> > so it is not installed wrong. >> > >> > With this orientation I can still get 2 ports oriented aft, but on the > other >> > side of the valve. It should work OK that way, but it just seems too > wierd. >> > >> > Have any of you seen this? >> > >> > -------- >> > Dave >> > RV-6 flying >> > RV-10 QB building >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Read this topic online here: >> > >> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192201#192201 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:11 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Homebrew O2 System From: "bryanflood" Hi guys, I use medical O2 tanks filled off a welding bottle. They are dirt cheap and so are the medical regulators which work great too, the only catch is that I have to use a conserving canula b/c I'm too cheap to spring for conserver on the regulator system. I probably have about 150 dollars in two tanks, a regulator, a tee, a flow meter and two canulas. The only difference on the medical tanks is they have a different thread and stem, although you can order them with the threads for the aviation stem if you want to spend more $. The transfill adapter was just over $100 and I get about 8 bottle fills be for my tank gets down to 1800 psi on $25 of O2. Each bottle seems to last someplace over 2 hours at 1lpm per person which I use above 12K. The one disadvantage to medical regulators is that I have to use a conversion chart for the flow rate but it's really easy. ANother is that refilling on a trip is harder b/c you need to bring an adapter to fit the filler at an FBO and pay upwards of $40 per tanks some places, a total rip. The tanks are so cheap to buy and fill you might as well pick up a few. If you don't already have a welding tank I guess you need to buy that too. -------- Rv-9A completed. 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