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1. 03:11 AM - Re: Back seats (tomhanaway)
2. 04:29 AM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Tim Olson)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH (Tim Olson)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (n801bh@netzero.com)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 07:17 AM - Re: Back seats (Lenny Iszak)
7. 09:59 AM - handle auction for rv10 hq (Steven DiNieri)
8. 10:49 AM - Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 (bcondrey)
9. 12:27 PM - Re: handle auction for rv10 hq ()
10. 12:39 PM - Reminder: Pre-OSH pool party (Douglas, Brian S)
11. 02:38 PM - Re: handle auction for rv10 hq (Steven DiNieri)
12. 02:38 PM - Andair Corrosion (Dave Saylor)
13. 03:00 PM - Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 (bcondrey)
14. 03:50 PM - Re: Window Trouble (Ben Westfall)
15. 03:57 PM - Re: Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 (Scott Schmidt)
16. 05:25 PM - Re: Andair Corrosion (Rick Sked)
17. 05:37 PM - Hidden oil door hinge (Rick Sked)
18. 06:15 PM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (Deems Davis)
19. 06:26 PM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (Ralph E. Capen)
20. 06:56 PM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (Rick Sked)
21. 07:15 PM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher)
22. 07:32 PM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (Deems Davis)
23. 08:49 PM - Re: RV10-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/20/08 (Roxanne and Mike Lefever)
24. 09:19 PM - rear seat cover panel- should there be a gap? (pascal)
25. 09:27 PM - Re: Ouch (Kelly McMullen)
26. 09:51 PM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (AirMike)
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Dave,
Interesting timing. I was just looking for those hinge parts for my QB last night.
First time I haven't been able to find a part I put aside previously. Went
back to the earlier floor section and see that it's within the "slow build
only" section. I suspect it was never with the kit.
After 30 minutes of searching, I decided they didn't exist in my house and just
went ahead and cut up some existing piano hinge that came with the kit.
Works fine.
Tom H.
Boynton Beach, FL
40639
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| Subject: | Re: Flying RV-10 Weight |
Even a minor bit of having it not leveled perfectly side to side
will throw off the W&B numbers, so it could be something as simple
as .1 degree of mis-level.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Robin Marks wrote:
>
> Regarding weight mine is going to come in as "portly" due to a lot of extras.
We are at ~1625 before paint and partial interior. In our defense we have the
OH console, O2, Leather, dual 12V to 24V Comm voltage converters (heavy), balanced
wheel pants, double DVD players and the list keeps growing.
> My question has to do with weight left to right. I placed the O2 system right
of centerline and the wing servos in the right wing expecting my generous proportions
would be PIC. But the empty weight was 20# greater on the left wheel
than the right. Any thoughts?
>
> Robin
> Travel Plans:
> San Luis Obispo, LA, Chicago, Arkansas, Chicago, OSH, Kohler, Chicago, LA, San
Luis Obispo, LA.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH |
Folks, trying to rouse more hands in filling the last couple of
slots for parking RV-10's on Sunday and Monday. Those are the
days they need the most help. Dave Leikam and I will both pull another
shift, if nobody else is willing, but I'm surprised that there aren't
more people clamoring to be part of the process.
What's needed is 2-4 Sunday (2 people), 4-6 Sunday (2 people),
10-noon Monday (1 person), and 2-3 Monday (2 people). The Monday
slot is only an hour long as you don't need to help during the
time the field is closed for the show.
If you are willing to help park the planes, just shoot me a note.
Jeff Point is watching the chart and he appreciates all the
people who have responded.
http://www.myrv10.com/osh/RV10parking.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Very true...you seem to always hear that from Volunteers, even at
> our hospital...they always get a lot out of it.
>
> I let work take a back seat again and I quick threw up a signup
> sheet...just shoot me your timeslot if you wish. Jeff only asked
> about Sunday and Monday, but I'm sure he'd love help on the other
> days too if you were interested....usually during the peak arrivals
> and departures.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh/RV10parking.html
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>>
>> I think airplane parking is one of the funnest jobs at OSH. The first
>> time
>> I went, someone asked my wife and I to help. They gave us orange
>> vests and
>> scooters and said go park planes.
>> I think all volunteers get lunch. Either way, it's a really fun job and
>> it's pretty easy. Even if you can only help for an hour or two, I've
>> found
>> that volunteering at OSH makes the whole experience better for everyone
>> involved. Makes you feel more like it's your show when you get involved.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141
>> 831-750-0284 CL
>> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:31 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH
>>
>>
>> Last night I got an email from Jeff Point about parking this year at OSH,
>> for RV-10's that fly in. He says that this year parking is in the same
>> basic place as last year....just West of Van's tent, in the RV lot. This
>> year they're making 2 rows with a wide hole in the fence, instead of one
>> long row like last year. The rows are tight, purposely, to maximize
>> capacity so we all don't run out of the ability to park there.
>>
>> This year they're looking for volunteers to help out with parking, to
>> keep
>> us all safe. In particular, he'd like to find people who have
>> interest in
>> helping wing-walk and park RV-10's that show up. The job would entail
>> hanging out around the RV-10 parking area (That's the tough part, huh?
>> :) )
>> and when 10's come in, help out by walking along the wingtips to
>> verify that
>> they aren't going to smack some other plane.
>> Then once the planes park, you have the awful task of saying "Welcome to
>> Oshkosh" and see if the people need anything and give them a couple
>> tips if
>> they do, so they can be comfortable and be on their way.
>>
>> It pays very well for a volunteer job....you get to meet lots of RV-10
>> builders and ask them all of your questions.
>>
>> You needn't fear the task, as there are other, more experienced
>> parking crew
>> personnel who will be taking some of the work, but this would ensure safe
>> parking, and free them up to handle all the other RV's showing up.
>>
>> The times they REALLY need help are Sunday (day before show opening) from
>> about 10AM to about 6PM, and Monday (opening day) from about 8AM until
>> the
>> airshow at about 3PM.
>> It would be nice to have two people at all times (one for each
>> wingtip!) and the shifts could be staggered so you don't have to work the
>> full day.
>>
>> Anybody who is interested in helping out can contact Jeff by email at
>> jpoint
>> (at) mindspring.com.
>>
>> I'm hoping that from our great pool of RV-10 builders, we can get enough
>> people to fill the needs.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Flying RV-10 Weight |
I am not sure of the mount design but,, in planes with canted engines, i
e, the prop is pointed to the right slightly to offset the p factor. Thi
s puts the front of the crank centerline right on airframe centerline so
the left rear, or the pilots side of the engine is favoring the left si
de. That will add 18-23 lbs to the left side weight no matter how close
you balanced all of your add ons... YMMV
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com> wrote:
Regarding weight mine is going to come in as "portly" due to a lot of ex
tras. We are at ~1625 before paint and partial interior. In our defense
we have the OH console, O2, Leather, dual 12V to 24V Comm voltage conver
ters (heavy), balanced wheel pants, double DVD players and the list keep
s growing.
My question has to do with weight left to right. I placed the O2 system
right of centerline and the wing servos in the right wing expecting my g
enerous proportions would be PIC. But the empty weight was 20# greater o
n the left wheel than the right. Any thoughts?
Robin
Travel Plans:
San Luis Obispo, LA, Chicago, Arkansas, Chicago, OSH, Kohler, Chicago, L
A, San Luis Obispo, LA.
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| Subject: | Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH |
Put me down for 2pm on Sunday.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH
Folks, trying to rouse more hands in filling the last couple of
slots for parking RV-10's on Sunday and Monday. Those are the
days they need the most help. Dave Leikam and I will both pull another
shift, if nobody else is willing, but I'm surprised that there aren't
more people clamoring to be part of the process.
What's needed is 2-4 Sunday (2 people), 4-6 Sunday (2 people),
10-noon Monday (1 person), and 2-3 Monday (2 people). The Monday
slot is only an hour long as you don't need to help during the
time the field is closed for the show.
If you are willing to help park the planes, just shoot me a note.
Jeff Point is watching the chart and he appreciates all the
people who have responded.
http://www.myrv10.com/osh/RV10parking.html
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> Very true...you seem to always hear that from Volunteers, even at
> our hospital...they always get a lot out of it.
>
> I let work take a back seat again and I quick threw up a signup
> sheet...just shoot me your timeslot if you wish. Jeff only asked
> about Sunday and Monday, but I'm sure he'd love help on the other
> days too if you were interested....usually during the peak arrivals
> and departures.
>
> http://www.myrv10.com/osh/RV10parking.html
>
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Dave Saylor wrote:
>>
>> I think airplane parking is one of the funnest jobs at OSH. The first
>> time
>> I went, someone asked my wife and I to help. They gave us orange
>> vests and
>> scooters and said go park planes.
>> I think all volunteers get lunch. Either way, it's a really fun job and
>> it's pretty easy. Even if you can only help for an hour or two, I've
>> found
>> that volunteering at OSH makes the whole experience better for everyone
>> involved. Makes you feel more like it's your show when you get involved.
>>
>> Dave Saylor
>> AirCrafters LLC
>> 140 Aviation Way
>> Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141
>> 831-750-0284 CL
>> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:31 AM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV10-List: Volunteering and RV-10 Parking at OSH
>>
>>
>> Last night I got an email from Jeff Point about parking this year at OSH,
>> for RV-10's that fly in. He says that this year parking is in the same
>> basic place as last year....just West of Van's tent, in the RV lot. This
>> year they're making 2 rows with a wide hole in the fence, instead of one
>> long row like last year. The rows are tight, purposely, to maximize
>> capacity so we all don't run out of the ability to park there.
>>
>> This year they're looking for volunteers to help out with parking, to
>> keep
>> us all safe. In particular, he'd like to find people who have
>> interest in
>> helping wing-walk and park RV-10's that show up. The job would entail
>> hanging out around the RV-10 parking area (That's the tough part, huh?
>> :) )
>> and when 10's come in, help out by walking along the wingtips to
>> verify that
>> they aren't going to smack some other plane.
>> Then once the planes park, you have the awful task of saying "Welcome to
>> Oshkosh" and see if the people need anything and give them a couple
>> tips if
>> they do, so they can be comfortable and be on their way.
>>
>> It pays very well for a volunteer job....you get to meet lots of RV-10
>> builders and ask them all of your questions.
>>
>> You needn't fear the task, as there are other, more experienced
>> parking crew
>> personnel who will be taking some of the work, but this would ensure safe
>> parking, and free them up to handle all the other RV's showing up.
>>
>> The times they REALLY need help are Sunday (day before show opening) from
>> about 10AM to about 6PM, and Monday (opening day) from about 8AM until
>> the
>> airshow at about 3PM.
>> It would be nice to have two people at all times (one for each
>> wingtip!) and the shifts could be staggered so you don't have to work the
>> full day.
>>
>> Anybody who is interested in helping out can contact Jeff by email at
>> jpoint
>> (at) mindspring.com.
>>
>> I'm hoping that from our great pool of RV-10 builders, we can get enough
>> people to fill the needs.
>>
>> --
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Hey Tom, I live about a half an hour from you (Margate), we should meet up sometime.
Lenny
#40803 baggage door
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| Subject: | handle auction for rv10 hq |
All, sorry for the confusion
I've been looking at the timestamp on my email software.
When compared with the matronics times, they are definitely off by a few
minutes. so it looks like bob was the winner.
I know I mentioned extending, but, if there's no objection I'd like to
crown Bob Leffler the winner and close this up.
I always like to keep things informal and easygoing, so If I may seem
disorganized sometimes its because I am ;)
Steve DiNieri
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 |
Sites are staked out and awaiting "official" tagging which will take place in the
morning. Attached is a picture (sorry about the size) taken from 56th & Lindbergh
looking at the group 2 area to the southwest. For those wanting more
specific location: 43 deg 58.493 N, 88 deg 33.900 W.
I'll send more pictures to Tim later for him to post and save the bandwidth on
the list.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: handle auction for rv10 hq |
How do you want the payment handled?
Check, cash, paypal? I can send something now, or hand it to you at OSH.
bob
>
> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> Date: 2008/07/21 Mon AM 11:53:45 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: handle auction for rv10 hq
>
>
> All, sorry for the confusion
> I've been looking at the timestamp on my email software.
> When compared with the matronics times, they are definitely off by a few
> minutes. so it looks like bob was the winner.
> I know I mentioned extending, but, if there's no objection I'd like to
> crown Bob Leffler the winner and close this up.
> I always like to keep things informal and easygoing, so If I may seem
> disorganized sometimes its because I am ;)
> Steve DiNieri
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Reminder: Pre-OSH pool party |
Just a reminder that my friends Jay and Mary Honeck will be hosting a
pool party at their hotel at KIOW on Saturday. Last year two RV-10s
made it along with 7-8 other RVs. Those of you coming from the West may
find it worth your while to stop by. See the invitation below...
------
To the Friends of Iowa City Airport:
Oshkosh is just nine days away, and the excitement is growing -- which
means it's almost time for our annual Fly-In Pool Party at the Alexis
Park Inn & Suites in Iowa City!
All pilots and aviation enthusiasts are invited to join us in
celebrating the start of the world's largest aviation "happening" on
Saturday, July 26th. This is the only fly-in pool party in the world (to
my knowledge), and we will be serving free:
- Burgers
- Brats
- Hot dogs
- Snacks
- Beverages
- Music
...all at poolside, starting at 3 PM.
Here's a copy of the official invitation:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/iowa_city_pool_party.htm
Please help us get the word out by printing this and hanging it on your
airport FBO's bulletin board!
Here are some pictures from LAST year's pool party:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/2007_fly-in_pool_party.htm
As you can see, a great time was had by all!
Then, on Sunday morning (not TOO early -- usually around 9 AM) we'll all
be flying up to Airventure in Oshkosh, WI. If you'd like to join us, we
fly in a loose "gaggle" (no Blue Angels stuff -- just keep each other in
sight) through the FISK approach into OSH. It's a great way to learn
the approach from a very experienced group -- and we all end up being
parked fairly close together, so the fun can continue throughout the
week!
Hope to see you at the party!
--
Jay & Mary
Jay Honeck
Friends of Iowa City Airport
AOPA Airport Support Network Volunteer
Owner/Innkeeper
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
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| Subject: | Re: handle auction for rv10 hq |
Bob,
the easiest would be to send it directly to Bob Condrey
(bob.condrey@baesystems.com) via PayPal
otherwise osh is fine. I'm prepping a dozen kits tonight and I can ship
yours to you before osh or bring it, your choice...
thanks steve
--------------------------------------------------
From: <rv@thelefflers.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: handle auction for rv10 hq
>
> How do you want the payment handled?
>
> Check, cash, paypal? I can send something now, or hand it to you at OSH.
>
> bob
>>
>> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
>> Date: 2008/07/21 Mon AM 11:53:45 EST
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: RV10-List: handle auction for rv10 hq
>>
>>
>> All, sorry for the confusion
>> I've been looking at the timestamp on my email software.
>> When compared with the matronics times, they are definitely off by a few
>> minutes. so it looks like bob was the winner.
>> I know I mentioned extending, but, if there's no objection I'd like to
>> crown Bob Leffler the winner and close this up.
>> I always like to keep things informal and easygoing, so If I may seem
>> disorganized sometimes its because I am ;)
>> Steve DiNieri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Andair Corrosion |
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 |
People are REALLY pitching in to make this a great year and place to be. First,
thanks to Steve D. for the donation of the flush handle set and to Bob L. for
buying it!
Michael Sausen stopped by today with a lawnmower and folding table to leave here
for our use. In case you're wondering, Gary and I aren't planning on becoming
lawnboys... Michael is also going to bring by a large grill and a 10x20 canopy
for more shade. We have Gary's motorhome parked facing North so we get a
lot of afternoon shade from that and also have 2 additional 10x10 canopies.
All of that combined with the picnic tables that we scored plus folding tables
we already had will make this a LOT more comfortable than prior years.
WiFi is working (mostly) here at Scholler now. Bandwidth seems to be poor at the
moment but a big step forward from zero. I'm trying to send Tim some pix to
post but it's slow going...
Bob
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Dave,
Have you replaced/removed the window yet? How did the silpruf work out?
-Ben
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon
a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the
left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it
should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage,
but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may
have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to
think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished
RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a
year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the
cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft
of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which
is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more
pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2 |
Thanks for everyones hard work and preparation, RaNae and I are very excited about
this year.
We will be bringing Guitar Hero (for the kids of course, not) and Tim is bring
a nice monitor and speakers.
I'm jealous that your there already Bob.
Thanks for the update on the mosquitoes as well.
Scott Schmidt
scottmschmidt@yahoo.com
----- Original Message ----
From: bcondrey <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:55:09 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV-10 HQ Group 2
People are REALLY pitching in to make this a great year and place to be. First,
thanks to Steve D. for the donation of the flush handle set and to Bob L. for
buying it!
Michael Sausen stopped by today with a lawnmower and folding table to leave here
for our use. In case you're wondering, Gary and I aren't planning on becoming
lawnboys... Michael is also going to bring by a large grill and a 10x20 canopy
for more shade. We have Gary's motorhome parked facing North so we get a
lot of afternoon shade from that and also have 2 additional 10x10 canopies.
All of that combined with the picnic tables that we scored plus folding tables
we already had will make this a LOT more comfortable than prior years.
WiFi is working (mostly) here at Scholler now. Bandwidth seems to be poor at the
moment but a big step forward from zero. I'm trying to send Tim some pix to
post but it's slow going...
Bob
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194218#194218
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| Subject: | Re: Andair Corrosion |
Makes you wonder why glass was so popular on the ol' VW bugs back in the 60
's...they were aircraft engines too!! :) Only problem is they would hit a b
ump, break the bowl them you had VW bug flameboomy!! I'm surprised that thi
s happened on an Andair, their product is usually much better thought out a
nd engineered. If you can get them to respond to you=C2- ;)
Rick S.
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Saylor" <Dave@AirCraftersLLC.com>
, rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:33:51 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little nozz
le created by corrosion all the way through the bowl.=C2- The pilot was c
omplaining of fuel smell.=C2- The plane is a Legacy that=C2-started fly
ing in 2003.=C2- It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started.=C2- The outsi
de looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes throug
h.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Hidden oil door hinge |
Anyone put one of these hidden door hinges on their oil door yet? I'm wrapping
up the little crap, I've had the door clecoed on for awhile and decided to install
it as, a, um..."little" Sunday afternoon project...I have the McMaster Carr
hinges and even fabricated a hinge based on Randy Phanzers (sp?) F1 rocket...the
darned thing just hangs up like it's spring loaded in the opening and won't
move off and away from the opening...I have made the opening very close tolerance
by casting it in micro/flox using the door as a mold...very neat and
precise fit...hacksaw blade gap. Well long story short....about 30 holes in the
cowl and door from moving it back and forth with no luck, now 30 floxed holes...I
can't get this thing to work...I know about the hinge from "justrvparts"...I'll
buy it if I think it will work, I just think that even though I passed
Algebra, Geometry and Trig I'm missing the correct location of the hinge line
or something simple...I even clecoed two business cards to the hinge trying to
understand it's operation while sitting on the couch last night...Even Sam Bucannan
(RV-6 guru) sorta slammed me when I asked this on the VAF list..."A person
who had made it this far building and RV would have no problem figuring out
where to mount the hinge"..well Sam @#$% @!#!!! Anyone have some insight? Oh
yeah......Sam %$#^ &^*!!!!
Rick Sked
40185
Little crap
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
Well Buddy, I went to the log to see what I had done and here's a snip
from it :
/The rest of the day was spent cutting out the oil cover. I got a
'hidden hinge'
but had some difficulty in mounting it. I finally figured out that in
order for the hinge to"lift" the oil door the way it is designed to
that I would have to reposition the hinge. Advice to anybody doing this
is to do a test with a couple pieces of scrap alum to see
where the hinge placement should be in order to avoid binding when
opening the door. It's not intuitive and took some
experimenting on my part./
So, I guess that means I'm not as smart as Sam or the others. IIRC what
I did was use some alum .032 pieces and experiment until I got it right
then transferred the hole positions to the cowl and fiberglass.
Deems
Plane is at the painters, the garage is empty, my Honey do list has gone
from 'suspended' to 'active' and growing, Help, I need an OSH fix
soon!!!!!!!!!
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Anyone put one of these hidden door hinges on their oil door yet?
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Little crap
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
I just put one of these on my SJ cowl on my 6A I'll try to dig up the
pictures....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Sked" <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Hidden oil door hinge
>
> Anyone put one of these hidden door hinges on their oil door yet? I'm
> wrapping up the little crap, I've had the door clecoed on for awhile and
> decided to install it as, a, um..."little" Sunday afternoon project...I
> have the McMaster Carr hinges and even fabricated a hinge based on Randy
> Phanzers (sp?) F1 rocket...the darned thing just hangs up like it's spring
> loaded in the opening and won't move off and away from the opening...I
> have made the opening very close tolerance by casting it in micro/flox
> using the door as a mold...very neat and precise fit...hacksaw blade gap.
> Well long story short....about 30 holes in the cowl and door from moving
> it back and forth with no luck, now 30 floxed holes...I can't get this
> thing to work...I know about the hinge from "justrvparts"...I'll buy it if
> I think it will work, I just think that even though I passed Algebra,
> Geometry and Trig I'm missing the correct location of the hinge line or
> something simple...I even clecoed two business c!
> ards to the hinge trying to understand it's operation while sitting on the
> couch last night...Even Sam Bucannan (RV-6 guru) sorta slammed me when I
> asked this on the VAF list..."A person who had made it this far building
> and RV would have no problem figuring out where to mount the hinge"..well
> Sam @#$% @!#!!! Anyone have some insight? Oh yeah......Sam %$#^ &^*!!!!
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Little crap
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
Deems!!! My Man!!! Not to be confused with Otis Day and the Knights!!
So...do you have a lip around your oil door at the hinge side? If so...what width
is it...I'm down to about 3/16" on the hinge side and don't want to go smaller
(trail and frustrated error cut stuff away thing sorry I did maybe) And are
we talking 3/32" margin left and right (starboard/port for you Navy guys) viewed
from the cockpit or nose will make a difference in the hinge operation? I
am soooo frustrated...my door fit looks like Ferrari made it...really....perfect,
professional, close tolerance...it pains me to start drilling into all that
again.
Maybe I should just wait till after next week when I'm calm.....I'm calm...Can't
wait to make that drive from ORD next Sunday evening to good ol' OSH and Bonnies!!!
I'm having a cheese curd meltdown and withdrawl!!
Rick Sked
40185
Stinkin rotten oil door and all that other little crap!! :)
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:10:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hidden oil door hinge
Well Buddy, I went to the log to see what I had done and here's a snip
from it :
/The rest of the day was spent cutting out the oil cover. I got a
'hidden hinge'
but had some difficulty in mounting it. I finally figured out that in
order for the hinge to"lift" the oil door the way it is designed to
that I would have to reposition the hinge. Advice to anybody doing this
is to do a test with a couple pieces of scrap alum to see
where the hinge placement should be in order to avoid binding when
opening the door. It's not intuitive and took some
experimenting on my part./
So, I guess that means I'm not as smart as Sam or the others. IIRC what
I did was use some alum .032 pieces and experiment until I got it right
then transferred the hole positions to the cowl and fiberglass.
Deems
Plane is at the painters, the garage is empty, my Honey do list has gone
from 'suspended' to 'active' and growing, Help, I need an OSH fix
soon!!!!!!!!!
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Anyone put one of these hidden door hinges on their oil door yet?
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Little crap
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
I just talked to Eric -- he's been out of town -- and the countersink is on the
road again!
Headed to Thane next.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
Rick here's a link to an album that's got several pictures of the
install, start here and click forward. I don't have the plane handy to
measure for you , but I had about 3/16 - 1/4" backing for the door all
around the perimeter. One of the things I did was wait until I had the
hinge installed until filling everything with flox and sanding to final.
here's the link :
http://deemsrv10.com/album/Sec%2047%20Spinner%20and%20Cowling/slides/DSC04219.html
Deems
I got the rental car res today, so we're good to go direct (.......well
almost) ORD to OSH
Rick Sked wrote:
>
> Deems!!! My Man!!! Not to be confused with Otis Day and the Knights!!
>
> So...do you have a lip around your oil door at the hinge side? If so...what width
is it...I'm down to about 3/16" on the hinge side and don't want to go smaller
(trail and frustrated error cut stuff away thing sorry I did maybe) And
are we talking 3/32" margin left and right (starboard/port for you Navy guys)
viewed from the cockpit or nose will make a difference in the hinge operation?
I am soooo frustrated...my door fit looks like Ferrari made it...really....perfect,
professional, close tolerance...it pains me to start drilling into all
that again.
>
> Maybe I should just wait till after next week when I'm calm.....I'm calm...Can't
wait to make that drive from ORD next Sunday evening to good ol' OSH and Bonnies!!!
I'm having a cheese curd meltdown and withdrawl!!
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> Stinkin rotten oil door and all that other little crap!! :)
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis@cox.net>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:10:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hidden oil door hinge
>
>
> Well Buddy, I went to the log to see what I had done and here's a snip
> from it :
>
> /The rest of the day was spent cutting out the oil cover. I got a
> 'hidden hinge'
> but had some difficulty in mounting it. I finally figured out that in
> order for the hinge to"lift" the oil door the way it is designed to
> that I would have to reposition the hinge. Advice to anybody doing this
> is to do a test with a couple pieces of scrap alum to see
> where the hinge placement should be in order to avoid binding when
> opening the door. It's not intuitive and took some
> experimenting on my part./
>
> So, I guess that means I'm not as smart as Sam or the others. IIRC what
> I did was use some alum .032 pieces and experiment until I got it right
> then transferred the hole positions to the cowl and fiberglass.
>
> Deems
>
> Plane is at the painters, the garage is empty, my Honey do list has gone
> from 'suspended' to 'active' and growing, Help, I need an OSH fix
> soon!!!!!!!!!
>
> Rick Sked wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone put one of these hidden door hinges on their oil door yet?
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> Little crap
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV10-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/20/08 |
Had one of the worst screw ups in my building career tonight......and of co
urse the fact that was 103 and humid didn't soothe my termperment either.
While match drilling the bottom skins on my wings=2C one of the spar ends f
ell and damaged the forward nose rib and skin pretty bad. The number one r
eason I bought QB wings was to avoid building those fuel tanks=2C and now i
t looks like I have to drill one apart and reskin it. Any shortcuts?......
....(he asks=2C knowing there is likely only alot of elbow grease to look f
orward to)
Mike Lefever> Date: Sun=2C 20 Jul 2008 23:57:54 -0700> From: rv10-list@matr
onics.com> To: rv10-list-digest@matronics.com> Subject: RV10-List Digest: 3
0 Msgs - 07/20/08> > *> > ================
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> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version >
of the RV10-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such
as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version:> > http://www.matronic
s.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-07-20&
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sted Sun 07/20/08: 30> ----------------------------------------------------
------> > > Today's Message Index:> ----------------------> > 1. 07:11 AM -
Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (John Cox)> 2. 07:19 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*
%*&%#@% Rivets (Dave Leikam)> 3. 09:09 AM - Re: counter sinking canopy hole
s (Lew Gallagher)> 4. 09:19 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
(Bill DeRouchey)> 5. 10:21 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (Le
s Kearney)> 6. 10:40 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (Carl Froe
hlich)> 7. 11:09 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure (Tim Olson
)> 8. 11:55 AM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Neil & Sarah Colliver)> 9. 12:45
PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (pascal)> 10. 12:59 PM - Re: Sque
ezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (MauleDriver)> 11. 02:26 PM - Re: Flying RV-
10 Weight (John Cox)> 12. 02:26 PM - Back seats (Dave Leikam)> 13. 03:55 PM
- Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (McGANN=2C Ron)> 14. 04:24 PM - R
e: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (pascal)> 15. 04:26 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 W
eight (Chris=2C Susie=2C Darcy)> 16. 04:50 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq don
ation (Bruce Snyder)> 17. 06:01 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (pasc
al)> 18. 06:02 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (rleffler)> 19. 06:36
PM - Re: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))> 20
. 07:37 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (John Cox)> 21. 07:46 PM - Re: RV10-Li
st : rv10 hq donation (Steven DiNieri)> 22. 07:46 PM - RV-10 HQ Group 2 (bc
ondrey)> 23. 07:56 PM - Gross weight (lbgjb10)> 24. 08:07 PM - Re: Flying R
V-10 Weight (Rene)> 25. 08:11 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Chris=2C Susie
=2C Darcy)> 26. 09:19 PM - Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video (pasc
al)> 27. 09:36 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Bracket Mod? (AirMike)> 28. 09:51 PM
- Re: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (Robin Marks)> 29. 09:58 PM - Re: Fl
ying RV-10 Weight (Robin Marks)> 30. 10:07 PM - Re: Fw: non Rv-10 related-
radio control video (Dave Leikam)> > > > ________________________________ M
essage 1 _____________________________________> > > Time: 07:11:30 AM PST U
S> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@
pacificnw.com>> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not re
porting in on finished> weight.> > John Cox> > -----Original Message----->
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)> Sent: Thursday=2C J
uly 17=2C 2008 5:07 PM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > Ch
eckoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11 RV-10's in it
at> the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't entered th
eir> weight into this to do so. It's a great resource and the more data the
better.> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/> > Michael> > -----Original Messa
ge-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> Sent: Thursday=2C July 17
=2C 2008 4:49 PM> Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > -10 List=2C>
Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web? Should> I
be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint? Ok=2C ok=2C it's not
that> bad....> > Robin> Well... it's getting weighed...> Do Not Archive> >
> ________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
_______> > > Time: 07:19:46 AM PST US> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.r
r.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > I exp
erienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod with > the rive
t=2C shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench vise > and use
d my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well. > Squeezer didn't
. I think the problem is that the rod is hollow and does > not support the
rivet shank inside.> > Dave Leikam> RV-10 #40496> N89DA (Reserved)> Muskego
=2C WI> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Les Kearney > To: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 12:13 AM> Subject: RE: RV
10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > John> > > > I'll see you a
t Whitman.> > > > Cheers> > > > Les> > > > > ------------------------------
-------------------------------------------> -----> > From: owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Be
half Of John Cox> Sent: July-19-08 7:49 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Su
bject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > > I have a Ch
erry Max depth gauge for you which is used to size the grip > measurement a
nd confirm correct rivet length for any job. I will send > you one if you s
end me your address.> > > > John J. is correct=2C in many locations the AN
bolt=2C fastener or rivet > is incorrect on the company plans. By the time
you are out of parts=2C > you will be able to read the correct length and m
ake certain they comply > with the guidelines of the AC 43.13. If your DAR
is any good=2C he might > point out the error of the lengths during the pap
erwork review (oh yeh=2C > Canadians don't use DARs). Boy is Rob's new prop
exciting.> > > > Scrapes=2C bruises and torn knuckles getting the Warbird
ready for the > flight next week. Aurora to Missoula to Glendive=2C MT (on
Thursday) then > West Bend=2C WI (on Friday) with final arrival at the big
one (on Sunday). > Bringing a few cases of cold ones for Tim and Bob=2C Mik
e and the > stakeout gang.> > > > Without an address=2C I will bring the ga
uge direct to RV Central at > OSH. There is nothing like a Wisconsin summer
.> > > > John C.> > > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailt
o:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen> Sent: Sat
urday=2C July 19=2C 2008 5:38 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE:
RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > > Les=2C are the rivets
trying to tell you something? JC would wonder if > they were too long to b
egin with. Many rivets called out in the plans > are either too short or to
o long. Up to us to determine proper size. > Rivet cutters are cheap. > > >
> Just musing. > > > > John J> > > > > -----------------------------------
--------------------------------------> ---> > From: owner-rv10-list-server
@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Les Kearney> Sent: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008 7:49 PM> To: rv10-list@matr
onics.com> Subject: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > Hi> >
> > It seems like in every major section of the -10 construction=2C I hit >
something that causes me no end of grief. This time it is the rod ends > f
or wings. After trashing one set due to a measurement error (duh!)=2C I > m
ade another perfect set after getting replacement tubes from Van's. > This
time when riveting with the AN470AD4-11 rivets=2C the rivets seemed > to sl
ump to one side. How does one squeeze these rivets without > slumping? Part
of the problem may be the size of the rivets I am trying > to squeeze - th
e -11 rivets are just a bit to long for my pneumatic > squeezer jaws so I h
ave to work at getting them to come down. I also > wonder if the hollow tub
e affects how the rivets squeeze.> > > > Is there some magic trick I am mis
sing?> > > > Inquiring minds need to know.> > > > Les Kearney> > #40643 - Q
B wings=2C fuse=2C electrical whatever> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigato
r?RV10-List > http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribu
tion > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________
________ Message 3 _____________________________________> > > Time: 09:09:4
6 AM PST US> Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes> From: "L
ew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>> > > OK=2C Don. You are on the list for
John's "Traveling Countersink Show".> > I left a message on Eric's voice m
ail yesterday -- no response yet.> > Later=2C - Lew> > Do not archive.> > -
-------> non-pilot> crazy about building> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549> Eng
ine and FF here=2C now cowl and baffels=2Cwaiting on prop.> > > Read this t
opic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193925#1
93925> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________
________________> > > Time: 09:19:16 AM PST US> From: Bill DeRouchey <billd
erou@yahoo.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Fai
lure> > Hi again Tim - (its all good discussion)> -> The wobble measurement
s of 3/4" vertical and 1/2" lateral was the distance > my hand was moving w
hen testing the fairing security during my pre-flight. > My hand was on the
forward- tip of the fairing.-So it had an approx 18"> of lever arm on the
U-1010L plate. Working with just the plate: if you tig> hten the plate then
back off each bolt to create a 1/64" opening it would b> e equilivant to t
he plate wiggle that I observed. Thinking about it more it> was probably cl
oser to 1/32".> -> All forces on the fairing need to be transfered back int
o the axel and the > mount acts as a system with attach points at the fairi
ng outboard and inboa> rd. When a weak point develops it "leans" on the oth
er side to accelerate w> ear at that point. Then they go back and forth des
troying each other-very> quickly.> -> The standard axel end standoff-orbiti
ng about the AN4-6 bolt-is the wea> k point-outboard-and the U-1008 to U-10
10-joint galling is the weak p> oint inboard. Yesterday=2C I thought the ga
lling was the original sin that br> oke the AN4-6 bolt but your information
indicates that the standoff is the > major problem since your U-1010 plate
is still secure. If you solve the pro> blem on one side it reduces the for
ces on-the other. It would not surpris> e me that if one mounted the U-1010
plate as I suggested earlier with a was> her and steel spacers the AN4-6 b
olt would not break for-a-thousand plu> s-hours.> -> If you were smarter th
an me and deviated from the plans-slipping a thin w> asher between the U-10
08 and the U-1010 then you have a good 90% solution t> hat will probably la
st forever. If not=2C the joint absolutely will gall and > loosen over time
. Question is how much time?> -> I think every weak point-needs-fixing to k
eep a system-failure from o> ccuring.> - - Devise any standoff with a large
OD that will not orbit and-no co> tter key through the bolt> --- Add a was
her between the U-1008 and U-1010> --- Replace the U-1008 with steel spacer
s and torque properly-> --- > Its all about minimizing problems over-long s
ervice times. Nothing really> needs to be fixed until the fairing begins to
wiggle. Just check it on you> r pre-flight.> -> Bill DeRouchey> N939SB=2C
flying> -> -> ---- On Sat=2C 7/19/08=2C Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:>
> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Ge
ar Fairing Bolt Failure> > > Hi again Bill=2C> One more followup... you sai
d "It was approximately 3/4" top to> bottom> and 1/2" left to right."> > I
want to make sure I'm understanding. Are you saying that if you> grab the t
op of that fairing mounting plate (the big swiss cheese> bent thick aluminu
m metal plate) that you can rock it back and forth> pulling in/out on it if
you're sitting facing the side of the wheel> grabbing it by the top=2C and
if you grabbed it by the aft end of that> plate you could pull it 1/2" in
and out? As in=2C that whole plate> gets wobbly?> > I ask because so far=2C
mine is very solid with no slop=2C at 360 approx> hours. I just mounted th
ose flex brake lines to that plate> not long ago so I recently had it apart
=2C and it's really tight.> I've had the axle extension now for probably th
e last 2 years> or so though=2C so I'm wondering if maybe yours loosened ov
er time> maybe partly due to the fact that you hadn't been using the extens
ions.> That would be a possibility I'd think. Let me know if I'm> misunders
tanding how it was loose though.> > I do think that the outer end of the fa
iring mount=2C where it attaches> to the extension=2C will naturally have t
o support quite a bit of> bumping up and down. Even if that plate were soli
d (and by all means=2C> making or keeping it solid is a great thing)=2C I t
hink that 1/4-28> stainless screw needs to hold that fairing pretty solidly
=2C as there> is going to be quite a bit of torque from the axle extension
to> the axle nut trying to snap that bolt. I know my hex rod=2C even> after
6-12 months=2C had rounded the corners over rocking on that> metal washer.
...so yeah=2C that bolt in the standard design is> definitely a fracture po
int waiting to happen. Anything you can> do...any of the various axle exten
sions that were created=2C should> help make that bolt snapping much much l
ess of an issue. I personally> think they should be standard parts with the
kits=2C given the size> of the wheel fairings we carry around....and the n
umber of> broken extensions we've seen. I know there are over a half-dozen>
or more.> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> do not archive> > > Bill De
Rouchey wrote:> > Hi Tim-> > > > I remember the list addressing the AN4-6 b
olt issue but I had already > > mounted my wheels and did not want to back
track. Maybe I should have in> > > retrospec.> > > > > > > > My extensions
were Vans stock with no modifications. The U-1008 spacers> > > were galled
at the contact with U-1010L and had dug in approx 1/64".> All > > three spa
cers/plate showed the same wear and the "wiggle"> produced at > > the forwa
rd point of the fairing was very noticable. It was > > approximately 3/4" t
op to bottom and 1/2" left to right. Imagine> the > > U-1010L plate mounted
on 3 weak standoffs and the little play required > > to move the forward p
oint of the fairing. Of course=2C this was with the > > small shoulder spac
er from Vans on the outboard side.> > > > > > > > The modification of the a
xel nut standoff as in your drawing should work> > > very well but it is on
ly half of the problem. It would address and solve> > > wiggle on the outbo
ard fairing attach point but is carrying load that > > should be disipated
by the U-1010L plate. By not shifting load to the > > U-1010L the big count
ersunk 1/4-28 screw and the fiberglass at the > > outboard end of the stand
off must be handling a lot of shock when the > > tire hits a bump.> > > > >
> > > If anyone flying has wiggle in their MLG fairings I believe it can b
e > > traced to galling between U-1008 and U-1010L. Omitting a steel washer
> > created the galling but the inability to properly torque the three bol
ts> > > is also problematic. I initially torqued the three bolts with a thi
n > > washer between the aluminum pieces and watched the spacer puff out. >
> After adding an outer steel sheath and a thin washer to fill-in the > >
indentation of U-1010L the plate torques to a solid mount for the > > fairi
ng. The difference in U-1010L stiffness between the before and > > after is
huge.> > > > > > > > Bill DeRouchey> > > > N939SB=2C flying> > > > > > > >
--- On *Sat=2C 7/19/08=2C Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:> > > > From
: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear F
airing Bolt Failure> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Date: Saturday=2C Jul
y 19=2C 2008=2C 3:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > Bill=2C> > > > Were you already
using improved axle extensions? These> > are what we came up with a couple
years ago to fix breakage> > at that point.> > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD
/upgrades/20070118/index.html> > If not=2C that's a pretty easy way to stre
ngthen that point=2C> > as that stem actually doesn't have enough base to p
revent> > the hex rod from rocking back and forth.> > > > Did you actually
see deformation of those 3 spacers?> > > > From what it sounds like at firs
t glance=2C you may be going> > about it the hard way to fix the problem=2C
but I'd like to hear> > more of what damaged parts you found OTHER than th
e bolt> > stem.> > > > Tim> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> > do not a
rchive> > > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:> > > I landed approximately a dozen tim
es on a long=2C grass strip in> the Idaho > > > wilderness and found the AN
4-6 bolt shown on page 46-5 figure 2> sheared > > > at the cotter pin. This
is the AN4 that pokes out of the large> axel nut > > > to hold the fairing
standoff. The port side failed but the> starboard MLG > > > fairing could
be wiggled and would soon fail.> > > > > > > > > > > > The strip is pocked
with small mounds much like a polo field> before the > > > divits are repla
ced. There were no holes=2C nor did I hit anything=2C> nor > > > did I land
hard. The fiberglass fairing is still pristine. What> caused > > > the pro
blem is the fairing jiggling up and down during the roll> out.> > > > > > >
> > > > > Tearing the landing gear down for inspection revealed that the>
current > > > design will not work over time. I believe the failure begins
at> the 3 > > > U-1008 spacers shown on page 46-4 figure 4. When the fairin
g> bounces > > > about these spacers gall the U-1010L plate and loosen the
inboard> side > > > of the fairing. Once the inboard side of the fairing be
gins to> move > > > around it has a 5 inch lever arm (U-1004B) from the out
board> fairing > > > attachment point that works the AN4 bolt and will shea
r it at the> cotter > > > pin hole. Looking at the sheared bolt endwise the
structural area> is > > > very small after the cotter hole is drilled and
the thread depths> are > > > subtracted.> > > > > > > > > > > > Two items n
eed to be redesigned. The three bolts thru U-1010L> cannot be > > > tighten
ed because the tension simply crushes the aluminum> spacers. The > > > spac
ers need to be steel and the joint tightened. I don't> have a lathe> > > >
> but do have lots of 4130 tubing .5" OD by .375 ID. I cleaned> the> > insi
de > > > of the tube with a .375" ream and pressed the aluminum> spacer ins
ide.> > > > > Added a washer between the spacer and the U-1010L and tighten
ed> it > > > properly. Now it is much stiffer.> > > > > > > > > > > > Beefi
ng up the AN4 at the axel nut required much more work. If> you only > > > h
ave a hammer then you use a hammer to fix all problems. I> created a > > >
weldment with a TIG welder but a lathe is the better tool. I used> the > >
> same steel .5"OD by .375"ID tubing and constructed a> standoff> > with an
> > > AN5 stud on one end and an AN4 nut on the other. Drilled out the> ax
el > > > nut for the AN5 and placed the AN5 nut on the inside of the axel>
nut. > > > Make sure you have clearance when the big cotter pin is inserted
> thru > > > the axel nut. I am sure there are many more clever approaches
but> this > > > will work.> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW there were several fl
ight test engineers at our camp that> encouraged > > > me to fly home from
Idaho with one MLG fairing on and the other> off. > > > This would be more
convenient as my RV-10 was stuffed full of> camping > > > equipment and the
re was no room for another MLG fairing. I duct> taped > > > the leg fairing
s in place and took off. They were right. At> cruise the > > > cost was 8 m
ph and 1/4 bubble of rudder. No handling difference.> > > > > > > > > > > >
Bill DeRouchey> > > > > > N939SB=2C flying> > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > *
> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 ________________________
_____________> > > Time: 10:21:57 AM PST US> From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@s
haw.ca>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > Dave
> > > I am glad that I am not the only one who has had the same problem. Mi
sery> loves company as the saying goes. > > > Knowing that I am going to ca
ll the House of Van's for more parts tomorrow=2C> I decided to do a little
experimenting. I will pas this on so others can> learn from my mistakes.> >
> * Riveting tubes can be a b^&ch> * When drilling the holes in the tube
=2C it is important to go down the> exact centerline of the tube. Being eve
n a little off center will cause> problems with riveting (slumping). If eve
n slightly off center=2C the rivet> head will conform to the radius of the
tube and you will then be riveting> off center. > * Drilling a pilot all th
e way through then re-drilling with the rod> end installed can cause the bo
ttom hole to be a bit off center (elongated)> if not drilled exactly down t
he centerline. (Dos anyone have any ideas why> Van's calls for pilots first
and then final drilling through the rod ends?> It seems like this makes th
e whole process a bit riskier).> * I found that installing the rod ends cou
ld be deceptively difficult.> What I did on my "test" pieces was:> > * inst
all the first rod end (which was very tight)> * drilled a pilot through the
whole assembly> * drilled the final #30 hole through the whole assembly> *
cleaned out the chips in the tube and deburred the exterior holes> * back
riveted the end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)> * repeated for the next h
ole> * primed the interior of the tube> * Installed the second rod end and
drilled as above> * Deburred and riveted> > > * I would have liked to debur
r the interior side of rod end holes but> they were just too tight to get o
ff without damaging the assembly. Anyway=2C I> can't see how the interior b
urrs and chips would be a factor (is this a> reasonable assumption?). > > >
Dave's comment about going slow is absolutely essential. A series of very>
light tabs is all that is required. To fast and you will be adding to your
> scrap bin. Drilling out slumped rivets was beyond my ability.> > > In ret
rospect=2C I think a second set of eyes to help keep things square would> b
e very useful. I was working solo which was probably part of my problem as>
parts orientation is critical when drilling and riveting a tube.> > > Comm
ents on the above would be appreciated as it will be a while before I> get
my replacement parts.> > > BTW=2C anybody need some slightly undersized rod
end tubing?> > > Cheers> > > Les> > #40643 - happily turning parts into sc
rap> > > _____ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owne
r-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam> Sent: July-20-0
8 8:15 AM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > >
I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod with the>
rivet=2C shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench vise and u
sed> my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well. Squeezer didn'
t.> I think the problem is that the rod is hollow and does not support the
rivet> shank inside.> > > Dave Leikam> RV-10 #40496> N89DA (Reserved)> Musk
ego=2C WI> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _________________
____________________> > > Time: 10:40:36 AM PST US> From: "Carl Froehlich"
<carl.froehlich@cox.net>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#
@% Rivets> > One comment=2C always drill round tubes and such with a drill
press and a tube> holder. I made a tube holder out of a piece of 2"x6"=2C m
aking two 45 degree> cuts to make a 'V' using a radial arm saw. The tube si
ts in the 'V'. I> added a couple of bolts to hold the jig onto the drill pr
ess so that the> drill bit was in the exact center of the 'V'. You can buy
an aluminum one> from Harbor freight cheap enough as well.> > > Be careful
not to put too much pressure on the drill bit or it will wander> off center
.> > > Carl Froehlich> > RV-8A (450 hrs)> > RV-10 (fuselage)> > > From: own
er-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics
.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 1:17 PM> Su
bject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > Dave> > > I a
m glad that I am not the only one who has had the same problem. Misery> lov
es company as the saying goes. > > > Knowing that I am going to call the Ho
use of Van's for more parts tomorrow=2C> I decided to do a little experimen
ting. I will pas this on so others can> learn from my mistakes.> > > * Rive
ting tubes can be a b^&ch> * When drilling the holes in the tube=2C it is i
mportant to go down the> exact centerline of the tube. Being even a little
off center will cause> problems with riveting (slumping). If even slightly
off center=2C the rivet> head will conform to the radius of the tube and yo
u will then be riveting> off center. > * Drilling a pilot all the way throu
gh then re-drilling with the rod> end installed can cause the bottom hole t
o be a bit off center (elongated)> if not drilled exactly down the centerli
ne. (Dos anyone have any ideas why> Van's calls for pilots first and then f
inal drilling through the rod ends?> It seems like this makes the whole pro
cess a bit riskier).> * I found that installing the rod ends could be decep
tively difficult.> What I did on my "test" pieces was:> > * install the fir
st rod end (which was very tight)> * drilled a pilot through the whole asse
mbly> * drilled the final #30 hole through the whole assembly> * cleaned ou
t the chips in the tube and deburred the exterior holes> * back riveted the
end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)> * repeated for the next hole> * prim
ed the interior of the tube> * Installed the second rod end and drilled as
above> * Deburred and riveted> > > * I would have liked to deburr the inter
ior side of rod end holes but> they were just too tight to get off without
damaging the assembly. Anyway=2C I> can't see how the interior burrs and ch
ips would be a factor (is this a> reasonable assumption?). > > > Dave's com
ment about going slow is absolutely essential. A series of very> light tabs
is all that is required. To fast and you will be adding to your> scrap bin
. Drilling out slumped rivets was beyond my ability.> > > In retrospect=2C
I think a second set of eyes to help keep things square would> be very usef
ul. I was working solo which was probably part of my problem as> parts orie
ntation is critical when drilling and riveting a tube.> > > Comments on the
above would be appreciated as it will be a while before I> get my replacem
ent parts.> > > BTW=2C anybody need some slightly undersized rod end tubing
?> > > Cheers> > > Les> > #40643 - happily turning parts into scrap> > > __
___ > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam> Sent: July-20-08 8:15 AM>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > I experienc
ed the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod with the> rivet=2C sh
op side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench vise and used> my riv
et gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well. Squeezer didn't.> I think
the problem is that the rod is hollow and does not support the rivet> shan
k inside.> > > Dave Leikam> RV-10 #40496> N89DA (Reserved)> Muskego=2C WI>
> > ________________________________ Message 7 ____________________________
_________> > > Time: 11:09:34 AM PST US> From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure> > > I agree
with your comments Bill. I think in an ideal world=2C if you> fixed it on
both sides=2C you'd never have any issue at all. If> you fix it on either s
ide=2C you probably lessen your chances of> having problems greatly. If you
leave it as-is on the plans=2C> you probably COULD go a long time=2C but e
ventually you'll have> some wear or weakening and when you land on grass yo
u'll have> those original axle extensions break.> > For me=2C I'll just mon
itor those spacers for now then=2C because> I'm not seeing that with the he
avier-duty extensions that> there's as much flex going on to gall the parts
. But=2C I> may slip in a thin washer next time I'm in that area=2C to> hel
p prevent wear on the metal plate.> > Great that you brought it up and clar
ified it. Certainly if> there were that 3/4 and 1/2" movement on the metal
plate=2C that> would be really severe....at least those measurements were>
at the fairing tips. Still not good=2C but now I see why the> number was la
rger than I expected.> > So far it looks to me like the 2 most "faulty" or
in-need-of-fix> areas on the plane are probably those axle extensions and s
pacers> on the mains that we're talking about=2C and the spacer system up>
on that nosewheel. Other than that=2C the plane is adding up> lots of good
hours with no major issues.> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> do not ar
chive> > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:> > Hi again Tim - (its all good discussion
)> > > > > > > > The wobble measurements of 3/4" vertical and 1/2" lateral
was the > > distance my hand was moving when testing the fairing security d
uring my > > pre-flight. My hand was on the forward tip of the fairing. So
it had an > > approx 18" of lever arm on the U-1010L plate. Working with ju
st the > > plate: if you tighten the plate then back off each bolt to creat
e a > > 1/64" opening it would be equilivant to the plate wiggle that I > >
observed. Thinking about it more it was probably closer to 1/32".> > > > >
> > > All forces on the fairing need to be transfered back into the axel a
nd > > the mount acts as a system with attach points at the fairing outboar
d > > and inboard. When a weak point develops it "leans" on the other side
to > > accelerate wear at that point. Then they go back and forth destroyin
g > > each other very quickly.> > > > > > > > The standard axel end standof
f orbiting about the AN4-6 bolt is the weak > > point outboard and the U-10
08 to U-1010 joint galling is the weak point > > inboard. Yesterday=2C I th
ought the galling was the original sin that > > broke the AN4-6 bolt but yo
ur information indicates that the standoff is > > the major problem since y
our U-1010 plate is still secure. If you solve > > the problem on one side
it reduces the forces on the other. It would not > > surprise me that if on
e mounted the U-1010 plate as I suggested earlier > > with a washer and ste
el spacers the AN4-6 bolt would not break > > for a thousand plus hours.> >
> > > > > > If you were smarter than me and deviated from the plans slippi
ng a thin > > washer between the U-1008 and the U-1010 then you have a good
90% > > solution that will probably last forever. If not=2C the joint abso
lutely > > will gall and loosen over time. Question is how much time?> > >
> > > > > I think every weak point needs fixing to keep a system failure fr
om > > occuring.> > > > Devise any standoff with a large OD that will not o
rbit and no > > cotter key through the bolt> > > > Add a washer between the
U-1008 and U-1010> > > > Replace the U-1008 with steel spacers and torque
properly > > > > Its all about minimizing problems over long service times.
Nothing > > really needs to be fixed until the fairing begins to wiggle. J
ust check > > it on your pre-flight.> > > > > > > > Bill DeRouchey> > > > N
939SB=2C flying> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sat=2C 7/19/08=2C Tim Olson
/<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:> > > > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > Subje
ct: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure> > To: rv10-list@
matronics.com> > Date: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008=2C 8:14 PM> > > > > > Hi
again Bill=2C> > One more followup... you said "It was approximately 3/4"
top to> > bottom> > and 1/2" left to right."> > > > I want to make sure I'm
understanding. Are you saying that if you> > grab the top of that fairing
mounting plate (the big swiss cheese> > bent thick aluminum metal plate) th
at you can rock it back and forth> > pulling in/out on it if you're sitting
facing the side of the wheel> > grabbing it by the top=2C and if you grabb
ed it by the aft end of that> > plate you could pull it 1/2" in and out? As
in=2C that whole plate> > gets wobbly?> > > > I ask because so far=2C mine
is very solid with no slop=2C at 360 approx> > hours. I just mounted those
flex brake lines to that plate> > not long ago so I recently had it apart
=2C and it's really tight.> > I've had the axle extension now for probably
the last 2 years> > or so though=2C so I'm wondering if maybe yours loosene
d over time> > maybe partly due to the fact that you hadn't been using the
extensions.> > That would be a possibility I'd think. Let me know if I'm> >
misunderstanding how it was loose though.> > > > I do think that the outer
end of the fairing mount=2C where it attaches> > to the extension=2C will
naturally have to support quite a bit of> > bumping up and down. Even if th
at plate were solid (and by all means=2C> > making or keeping it solid is a
great thing)=2C I think that 1/4-28> > stainless screw needs to hold that
fairing pretty solidly=2C as there> > is going to be quite a bit of torque
from the axle extension to> > the axle nut trying to snap that bolt. I know
my hex rod=2C even> > after 6-12 months=2C had rounded the corners over ro
cking on that> > metal washer....so yeah=2C that bolt in the standard desig
n is> > definitely a fracture point waiting to happen. Anything you can> >
do...any of the various axle extensions that were created=2C should> > help
make that bolt snapping much much less of an issue. I personally> > think
they should be standard parts with the kits=2C given the size> > of the whe
el fairings we carry around....and the number of> > broken extensions we've
seen. I know there are over a half-dozen> > or more.> > > > Tim Olson - RV
-10 N104CD - Flying> > do not archive> > > > > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:> > >
Hi Tim-> > > > > > I remember the list addressing the AN4-6 bolt issue but
I had already > > > mounted my wheels and did not want to back track. Mayb
e I should have in> > > > retrospec.> > > > > > > > > > > > My extensions w
ere Vans stock with no modifications. The U-1008 spacers> > > > were galled
at the contact with U-1010L and had dug in approx 1/64".> > All > > > thre
e spacers/plate showed the same wear and the "wiggle"> > produced at > > >
the forward point of the fairing was very noticable. It was > > > approxima
tely 3/4" top to bottom and 1/2" left to right. Imagine> > the > > > U-1010
L plate mounted on 3 weak standoffs and the little play required> > > > to
move the forward point of the fairing. Of course=2C this was with the> > >
> small shoulder spacer from Vans on the outboard side.> > > > > > > > > >
> > The modification of the axel nut standoff as in your drawing should wor
k> > > > very well but it is only half of the problem. It would address and
solve> > > > wiggle on the outboard fairing attach point but is carrying l
oad that > > > should be disipated by the U-1010L plate. By not shifting lo
ad to the > > > U-1010L the big countersunk 1/4-28 screw and the fiberglass
at the > > > outboard end of the standoff must be handling a lot of shock
when the > > > tire hits a bump.> > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone flying ha
s wiggle in their MLG fairings I believe it can be > > > traced to galling
between U-1008 and U-1010L. Omitting a steel washer > > > created the galli
ng but the inability to properly torque the three bolts> > > > is also prob
lematic. I initially torqued the three bolts with a thin > > > washer betwe
en the aluminum pieces and watched the spacer puff out. > > > After adding
an outer steel sheath and a thin washer to fill-in the > > > indentation of
U-1010L the plate torques to a solid mount for the > > > fairing. The diff
erence in U-1010L stiffness between the before and > > > after is huge.> >
> > > > > > > > > > Bill DeRouchey> > > > > > N939SB=2C flying> > > > > > >
> > > > > --- On *Sat=2C 7/19/08=2C Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:>
> > > > > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Mai
n Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > > D
ate: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008=2C 3:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bi
ll=2C> > > > > > Were you already using improved axle extensions? These> >
> are what we came up with a couple years ago to fix breakage> > > at that
point.> > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html> > >
If not=2C that's a pretty easy way to strengthen that point=2C> > > as that
stem actually doesn't have enough base to prevent> > > the hex rod from ro
cking back and forth.> > > > > > Did you actually see deformation of those
3 spacers?> > > > > > From what it sounds like at first glance=2C you may b
e going> > > about it the hard way to fix the problem=2C but I'd like to he
ar> > > more of what damaged parts you found OTHER than the bolt> > > stem.
> > > > > > Tim> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying> > > do not archive>
> > > > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:> > > > I landed approximately a dozen time
s on a long=2C grass strip in> > the Idaho > > > > wilderness and found the
AN4-6 bolt shown on page 46-5 figure 2> > sheared > > > > at the cotter pi
n. This is the AN4 that pokes out of the large> > axel nut > > > > to hold
the fairing standoff. The port side failed but the> > starboard MLG > > > >
fairing could be wiggled and would soon fail.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> The strip is pocked with small mounds much like a polo field> > before t
he > > > > divits are replaced. There were no holes=2C nor did I hit anythi
ng=2C> > nor > > > > did I land hard. The fiberglass fairing is still prist
ine. What> > caused > > > > the problem is the fairing jiggling up and down
during the roll> > out.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tearing the landing
gear down for inspection revealed that the> > current > > > > design will
not work over time. I believe the failure begins at> > the 3 > > > > U-1008
spacers shown on page 46-4 figure 4. When the fairing> > bounces > > > > a
bout these spacers gall the U-1010L plate and loosen the inboard> > side >
> > > of the fairing. Once the inboard side of the fairing begins to> > mov
e > > > > around it has a 5 inch lever arm (U-1004B) from the outboard> > f
airing > > > > attachment point that works the AN4 bolt and will shear it a
t the> > cotter > > > > pin hole. Looking at the sheared bolt endwise the s
tructural area> > is > > > > very small after the cotter hole is drilled an
d the thread depths> > are > > > > subtracted.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> Two items need to be redesigned. The three bolts thru U-1010L> > cannot
be > > > > tightened because the tension simply crushes the aluminum> > spa
cers. The > > > > spacers need to be steel and the joint tightened. I don't
> > have a lathe> > > > > > > but do have lots of 4130 tubing .5" OD by .37
5 ID. I cleaned> > the> > > inside > > > > of the tube with a .375" ream an
d pressed the aluminum> > spacer inside.> > > > > > > Added a washer betwee
n the spacer and the U-1010L and tightened> > it > > > > properly. Now it i
s much stiffer.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beefing up the AN4 at the ax
el nut required much more work. If> > you only > > > > have a hammer then y
ou use a hammer to fix all problems. I> > created a > > > > weldment with a
TIG welder but a lathe is the better tool. I used> > the > > > > same stee
l .5"OD by .375"ID tubing and constructed a> > standoff> > > with an > > >
> AN5 stud on one end and an AN4 nut on the other. Drilled out the> > axel
> > > > nut for the AN5 and placed the AN5 nut on the inside of the axel> >
nut. > > > > Make sure you have clearance when the big cotter pin is inser
ted> > thru > > > > the axel nut. I am sure there are many more clever appr
oaches but> > this > > > > will work.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW th
ere were several flight test engineers at our camp that> > encouraged > > >
> me to fly home from Idaho with one MLG fairing on and the other> > off.
> > > > This would be more convenient as my RV-10 was stuffed full of> > ca
mping > > > > equipment and there was no room for another MLG fairing. I du
ct> > taped > > > > the leg fairings in place and took off. They were right
. At> > cruise the > > > > cost was 8 mph and 1/4 bubble of rudder. No hand
ling difference.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill DeRouchey> > > > > > >
> N939SB=2C flying> > > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > *> > > > >
> > > > *> > > > > > *> > > > > ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________> > > Time: 11:55:28 AM PST US> From:
Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-
10 Weight> > > Hi John> > Anotherone for the database thnen.> > Ours came i
n at 1699lbs. On the heavy side=2C but it did include > everything apart fr
om fuel.> > We also had a heavy paint job=2C with primer=2C base=2C airbrus
h & 2 coats > clear. It also included oil=2C & spare 1 quart=2C 1st aid kit
=2C tie downs=2C > AIP's. The only thing we forgot to include was the canop
y cover which > we didn't have at the time.> We have a fairly full panel wi
th HF radio=2C & lightning. Also Tip > tanks. So not too bad considering. B
ut no air con.> > Neil & Sarah> ZK-RVT> > On 21/07/2008=2C at 2:06 AM=2C Jo
hn Cox wrote:.> > >> > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not
reporting in > > on finished weight.> >> > John Cox> >> > -----Original Me
ssage-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10
-list-server@matronics.com > > ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)>
> Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 5:07 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> > >> >> > Checkoway has
a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11 > > RV-10's in it at the m
oment. I recommend that anyone the is flying > > and hasn't entered their w
eight into this to do so. It's a great > > resource and the more data the b
etter.> >> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/> >> > Michael> >> > -----Origina
l Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> > Sent: Thur
sday=2C July 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject:
RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >> > -10 List=2C> > Is there a record of
flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the > > web? Should I be 30# over Max G
ross weight before fluids or paint? > > Ok=2C ok=2C it's not that bad....>
>> > Robin> > Well... it's getting weighed...> > Do Not Archive> >> >> > Ne
il Colliver> Hometime Ltd> 247 Parewanui Road> RD1> Bulls> > Tel 06 322 029
4> 027 322 0264> > > ________________________________ Message 9 ___________
__________________________> > > Time: 12:45:50 PM PST US> From: "pascal" <p
ascal@rv10builder.net>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy
holes> > > Before you do that=2C add me to the end of the list=2C I am comi
ng up on the> canopy and can use it now> Whoever is last let me know who th
at is and I'll send my information> off-list.> Thanks Lew and John.> > ----
----------------------------------------------> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewg
all@charter.net>> Sent: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008 5:53 AM> Subject: RV10-
List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes> > >> > Hey Thane=2C> >> > I sent yo
u an email to the effect that I have been unsuccessful in> > contacting Eri
c Gohr -- the last person it was sent to. In case there is> > a problem wit
h the email=2C I have found a phone number and I will try to> > call him to
day. Maybe at OSH? If anyone has contact with him=2C let me> > know.> >> >
By the way=2C I haven't heard from John Ackerman - the parent of the> > cou
ntersink - so that I can eventually get it back to you.> >> > Later=2C - Le
w> >> > --------> > non-pilot> > crazy about building> > NOW OFICIALLY BUIL
DER #40549> > Engine and FF here=2C now cowl and baffels=2Cwaiting on prop.
> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/vi
ewtopic.php?p=193762#193762> >> >> > > > > ______________________________
__ Message 10 ____________________________________> > > Time: 12:59:11 PM P
ST US> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: S
queezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > I'll second the comment on using a dri
ll press and tube holder. I > didn't clamp it down (which would be best) bu
t it easily allows a > squarely drilled hole to be made.> > Carl Froehlich
wrote:> >> > One comment=2C always drill round tubes and such with a drill
press and > > a tube holder. I made a tube holder out of a piece of 2"x6"
=2C making > > two 45 degree cuts to make a 'V' using a radial arm saw. The
tube > > sits in the 'V'. I added a couple of bolts to hold the jig onto t
he > > drill press so that the drill bit was in the exact center of the 'V'
. > > You can buy an aluminum one from Harbor freight cheap enough as well.
> >> > > >> > Be careful not to put too much pressure on the drill bit or i
t will > > wander off center.> >> > > >> > Carl Froehlich> >> > RV-8A (450
hrs)> >> > RV-10 (fuselage)> >> > > >> > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@mat
ronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
*Les Kearney> > *Sent:* Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 1:17 PM> > *To:* rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Ri
vets> >> > > >> > Dave> >> > > >> > I am glad that I am not the only one wh
o has had the same problem. > > Misery loves company as the saying goes.> >
> > > >> > Knowing that I am going to call the House of Van's for more part
s > > tomorrow=2C I decided to do a little experimenting. I will pas this o
n > > so others can learn from my mistakes.> >> > > >> > * Riveting tubes c
an be a b^&ch> > * When drilling the holes in the tube=2C it is important t
o go down> > the exact centerline of the tube. Being even a little off cent
er> > will cause problems with riveting (slumping). If even slightly> > off
center=2C the rivet head will conform to the radius of the> > tube and you
will then be riveting off center.> > * Drilling a pilot all the way throug
h then re-drilling with the> > rod end installed can cause the bottom hole
to be a bit off> > center (elongated) if not drilled exactly down the cente
rline.> > (Dos anyone have any ideas why Van's calls for pilots first and>
> then final drilling through the rod ends? It seems like this> > makes the
whole process a bit riskier).> > * I found that installing the rod ends co
uld be deceptively> > difficult. What I did on my "test" pieces was:> > o i
nstall the first rod end (which was very tight)> > o drilled a pilot throug
h the whole assembly> > o drilled the final #30 hole through the whole asse
mbly> > o cleaned out the chips in the tube and deburred the> > exterior ho
les> > o back riveted the end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)> > o repeate
d for the next hole> > o primed the interior of the tube> > o Installed the
second rod end and drilled as above> > o Deburred and riveted> >> > > >> >
* I would have liked to deburr the interior side of rod end holes> > but t
hey were just too tight to get off without damaging the> > assembly. Anyway
=2C I can't see how the interior burrs and chips> > would be a factor (is t
his a reasonable assumption?).> >> > > >> > Dave's comment about going slow
is absolutely essential. A series of > > very light tabs is all that is re
quired. To fast and you will be > > adding to your scrap bin. Drilling out
slumped rivets was beyond my > > ability.> >> > > >> > In retrospect=2C I t
hink a second set of eyes to help keep things square > > would be very usef
ul. I was working solo which was probably part of my > > problem as parts o
rientation is critical when drilling and riveting a > > tube.> >> > > >> >
Comments on the above would be appreciated as it will be a while > > before
I get my replacement parts.> >> > > >> > BTW=2C anybody need some slightly
undersized rod end tubing?> >> > > >> > Cheers> >> > > >> > Les> >> > #406
43 -- happily turning parts into scrap> >> > > >> > -----------------------
-------------------------------------------------> >> > *From:* owner-rv10-
list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
*On Behalf Of *Dave Leikam> > *Sent:* July-20-08 8:15 AM> > *To:* rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Ri
vets> >> > > >> > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held
the rod with > > the rivet=2C shop side down squarely over the flat anvil o
f my bench > > vise and used my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Wor
ked > > well. Squeezer didn't. I think the problem /is/ that the rod is > >
hollow and does not support the rivet shank inside.> >> > > >> > Dave Leik
am> > RV-10 #40496> > N89DA (Reserved)> > Muskego=2C WI> >> > > >> > > >> >
* *> > * *> > * *> > **> > **> > **> > **> > **> > **> > *http://www.matro
nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*> > **> > **> > **> > *http://forums.matronics
.com*> > **> > **> > **> > **> > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*> >
**> > * *> > *> >> >> > *> > > ________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________> > > Time: 02:26:22 PM PST US> Subjec
t: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw
.com>> > > 1699 in my database. The paint job is worth every pound. the can
opy> cover is removable so it's part of the useful load component.> > JC> >
-----Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [m
ailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil & Sarah> Coll
iver> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 11:50 AM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fly
ing RV-10 Weight> > > Hi John> > Anotherone for the database thnen.> > Ours
came in at 1699lbs. On the heavy side=2C but it did include > everything a
part from fuel.> > We also had a heavy paint job=2C with primer=2C base=2C
airbrush & 2 coats > clear. It also included oil=2C & spare 1 quart=2C 1st
aid kit=2C tie downs=2C > AIP's. The only thing we forgot to include was th
e canopy cover which > we didn't have at the time.> We have a fairly full p
anel with HF radio=2C & lightning. Also Tip > tanks. So not too bad conside
ring. But no air con.> > Neil & Sarah> ZK-RVT> > On 21/07/2008=2C at 2:06 A
M=2C John Cox wrote:.> > >> > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over
120 not reporting in > > on finished weight.> >> > John Cox> >> > -----Orig
inal Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:ow
ner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael S
ausen)> > Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 5:07 PM> > To: rv10-list@matron
ics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> <rvbuilder@sause
n.net > > >> >> > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he h
as 11 > > RV-10's in it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flyin
g > > and hasn't entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great > >
resource and the more data the better.> >> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/>
>> > Michael> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-ser
ver@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > ] On Be
half Of Robin Marks> > Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM> > To: rv1
0-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >> > -1
0 List=2C> > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the >
> web? Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint? > > Ok
=2C ok=2C it's not that bad....> >> > Robin> > Well... it's getting weighed
...> > Do Not Archive> >> >> > Neil Colliver> Hometime Ltd> 247 Parewanui R
oad> RD1> Bulls> > Tel 06 322 0294> 027 322 0264> > > _____________________
___________ Message 12 ____________________________________> > > Time: 02:2
6:22 PM PST US> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>> Subject: RV10-L
ist: Back seats> > I am making the rear seats for my QB fuse. Half the hing
es were > fabricated and installed on the floors. Are the matching halves i
n the > kit somewhere or do I make them from supplied hinge stock? (Can't f
ind > matching halves.)> > Anyone? Anyone?> > Dave Leikam> RV-10 #40496> N8
9DA (Reserved)> Muskego=2C WI> > ________________________________ Message 1
3 ____________________________________> > > Time: 03:55:33 PM PST US> Subje
ct: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> From: "McGANN=2C Ron
" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>> > A little late on this thread=2C but for th
ose who are yet to get to making> the pushrods - I used a similar back rive
ting technique. But I placed> the universal rivet set in a vice=2C placed t
he manufactured head into the> cup of the set=2C and then used the backrive
t set to shoot the shop head.> A bit tricky for one person=2C but it can be
done without too much hassle.> A squeezer simply would not work for me wit
h these rivets either. > > > cheers=2C> Ron> 187=2C paint prep> > > _______
_________________________> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [m
ailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam> Sent:
Sunday=2C 20 July 2008 11:45 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re:
RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets> > > I experienced the same
problem on the same parts. I held the> rod with the rivet=2C shop side down
squarely over the flat anvil of my> bench vise and used my rivet gun with
the proper set. Go slow. Worked> well. Squeezer didn't. I think the problem
is that the rod is hollow> and does not support the rivet shank inside.> >
Dave Leikam> RV-10 #40496> N89DA (Reserved)> Muskego=2C WI> > > > > -----
Original Message ----- > From: Les Kearney <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca> > To: r
v10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 12:13 AM> Subject:
RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%> Rivets> > > > John> > > > I'll
see you at Whitman...> > > > Cheers> > > > Les> > > > > __________________
______________> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:own
er-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox> Sent: July-19-08
7:49 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing som
e *&^%*%*&%#@%> Rivets> > > > I have a Cherry Max depth gauge for you which
is used to> size the grip measurement and confirm correct rivet length for
any job.> I will send you one if you send me your address.> > > > John J.
is correct=2C in many locations the AN bolt=2C> fastener or rivet is incorr
ect on the company plans. By the time you> are out of parts=2C you will be
able to read the correct length and make> certain they comply with the guid
elines of the AC 43.13. If your DAR is> any good=2C he might point out the
error of the lengths during the> paperwork review (oh yeh=2C Canadians don'
t use DARs). Boy is Rob's new> prop exciting.> > > > Scrapes=2C bruises and
torn knuckles getting the Warbird> ready for the flight next week. Aurora
to Missoula to Glendive=2C MT (on> Thursday) then West Bend=2C WI (on Frida
y) with final arrival at the big> one (on Sunday). Bringing a few cases of
cold ones for Tim and Bob=2C> Mike and the stakeout gang.> > > > Without an
address=2C I will bring the gauge direct to RV> Central at OSH. There is n
othing like a Wisconsin summer.> > > > John C.> > > > From: owner-rv10-list
-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Beh
alf Of John Jessen> Sent: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008 5:38 PM> To: rv10-lis
t@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%> Rivet
s> > > > Les=2C are the rivets trying to tell you something? JC> would wond
er if they were too long to begin with. Many rivets called> out in the plan
s are either too short or too long. Up to us to> determine proper size. Riv
et cutters are cheap. > > > > Just musing. > > > > John J> > > > > ________
________________________> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney> Sent
: Saturday=2C July 19=2C 2008 7:49 PM> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> Subject
: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%> Rivets> > Hi> > > > It seems like
in every major section of the -10> construction=2C I hit something that ca
uses me no end of grief. This time> it is the rod ends for wings. After tra
shing one set due to a> measurement error (duh!)=2C I made another perfect
set after getting> replacement tubes from Van's. This time when riveting wi
th the> AN470AD4-11 rivets=2C the rivets seemed to slump to one side. How d
oes one> squeeze these rivets without slumping? Part of the problem may be
the> size of the rivets I am trying to squeeze - the -11 rivets are just a>
bit to long for my pneumatic squeezer jaws so I have to work at getting> t
hem to come down. I also wonder if the hollow tube affects how the> rivets
squeeze.> > > > Is there some magic trick I am missing?> > > > Inquiring mi
nds need to know...> > > > Les Kearney> > #40643 - QB wings=2C fuse=2C elec
trical whatever> > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List> > ht
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> Time: 04:24:38 PM PST US> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> Subjec
t: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > > Steve=3B> I'll increase
my bid to $300> Thanks!> Pascal> > ---------------------------------------
-----------> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> Sent: Wednesda
y=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:44 AM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq
donation> > >> > Thanks for the bid=2C you make a good point. lets just run
this till=2C say=2C > > 9:00 Sunday night eastern time.> > Should be plent
y of time to ponder without dragging it out...> > steve> >> > -------------
-------------------------------------> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder
.net>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:37 AM> > To: <rv10-list@matr
onics.com>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >> >>>
>> Steve=3B> >> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this=2C wish
I could share of > >> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.>
>> Do you have a end of auction time/date?> >> Thanks!> >>> >> To start I b
id $200> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------> >> From
: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 15=2C
2008 9:36 PM> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >> Subject: RV10-List: RV10
-List : rv10 hq donation> >>> >>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >>>> >>> Hey guy
s=2C> >>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in organiz
ing> >>> and securing the sites at osh=2C and I for one am very grateful=2C
for > >>> without> >>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know t
hey've invested a lot > >>> of> >>> their time and money. I'd like to offer
up a set of flush billet door> >>> handles for "auction" to the highest bi
dder with the proceeds going > >>> toward> >>> the osh fund (which they can
use at their discretion). We need to try to > >>> pay> >>> for a common ca
mp site=2C food=2C pop=2C beer=2Cetc. so even if your not > >>> camping> >>
> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for the handles >
>>> and> >>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence=2C tell your
other half > >>> "its> >>> for a good cause". Lets start off at 100.00$> >>
> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com> >>>> >>> Steve dinieri> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________
________ Message 15 ____________________________________> > > Time: 04:26:3
1 PM PST US> From: "Chris=2C Susie=2C Darcy" <vhmum@bigpond.com>> Subject:
Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > VH-ICY 1624 pounds> > > ----- Origi
nal Message ----- > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> Sent: Monday
=2C July 21=2C 2008 12:06 AM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight>
> > >> > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in
on > > finished weight.> >> > John Cox> >> > -----Original Message-----> >
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder > > (Michael Sausen)> > Sent: Thu
rsday=2C July 17=2C 2008 5:07 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject:
RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>> >> > Chec
koway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11 RV-10's in > > i
t at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't > > enter
ed their weight into this to do so. It's a great resource and the > > more
data the better.> >> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/> >> > Michael> >> > --
---Original Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > >
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> > S
ent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> >
Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >> > -10 List=2C> > Is there a
record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web? > > Should I be 30# o
ver Max Gross weight before fluids or paint? Ok=2C ok=2C it's > > not that
bad....> >> > Robin> > Well... it's getting weighed...> > Do Not Archive> >
> >> > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 __________________
__________________> > > Time: 04:50:31 PM PST US> From: "Bruce Snyder" <sny
derbd888@sbcglobal.net>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donati
on> > > Steve=2C> > I'll bump it up to $320.> > Bruce Snyder> > -----Origin
al Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-
rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal> Sent: Sunday=2C July 2
0=2C 2008 7:20 PM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >
> Steve=3B> I'll increase my bid to $300> Thanks!> Pascal> > --------------
------------------------------------> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@ifly
rv10.com>> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:44 AM> Subject: Re: RV10-L
ist: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > >> > Thanks for the bid=2C you make a
good point. lets just run this till=2C say=2C > > 9:00 Sunday night eastern
time.> > Should be plenty of time to ponder without dragging it out...> >
steve> >> > --------------------------------------------------> > From: "pa
scal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> > Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:37
AM> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List :
rv10 hq donation> >> >>> >> Steve=3B> >> This is a great offer and I apprec
iate seeing this=2C wish I could share of> > >> the camaraderie that will o
nce again happen at OSH.> >> Do you have a end of auction time/date?> >> Th
anks!> >>> >> To start I bid $200> >>> >> ---------------------------------
-----------------> >> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >> Se
nt: Tuesday=2C July 15=2C 2008 9:36 PM> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >
> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >>> >>> <capsteve@iflyr
v10.com>> >>>> >>> Hey guys=2C> >>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a p
redominant role in organizing> >>> and securing the sites at osh=2C and I f
or one am very grateful=2C for > >>> without> >>> their effort I'd be campi
ng in the woods:) I know they've invested a lot> > >>> of> >>> their time a
nd money. I'd like to offer up a set of flush billet door> >>> handles for
"auction" to the highest bidder with the proceeds going > >>> toward> >>> t
he osh fund (which they can use at their discretion). We need to try to> >
>>> pay> >>> for a common camp site=2C food=2C pop=2C beer=2Cetc. so even i
f your not > >>> camping> >>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to p
ost a bid for the handles > >>> and> >>> the highest bidder wins. So if you
r on the fence=2C tell your other half > >>> "its> >>> for a good cause". L
ets start off at 100.00$> >>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com> >>>>
>>> Steve dinieri> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
> > ________________________________ Message 17 ___________________________
_________> > > Time: 06:01:58 PM PST US> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder
.net>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > > let's make
this fun! since it is for a good cause!> $340> > Pascal> > ---------------
-----------------------------------> From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcg
lobal.net>> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:45 PM> Subject: RE: RV10-List
: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > > <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>> >> > Steve
=2C> >> > I'll bump it up to $320.> >> > Bruce Snyder> >> > -----Original M
essage-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> > [mailto:owner-
rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal> > Sent: Sunday=2C July
20=2C 2008 7:20 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-Lis
t: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >> >> > Steve=3B> > I'll increase my bid t
o $300> > Thanks!> > Pascal> >> > -----------------------------------------
---------> > From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> > Sent: Wednes
day=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:44 AM> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> > Subject
: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >> >>> >> Thanks for the bid
=2C you make a good point. lets just run this till=2C say=2C> >> 9:00 Sunda
y night eastern time.> >> Should be plenty of time to ponder without draggi
ng it out...> >> steve> >>> >> --------------------------------------------
------> >> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C J
uly 16=2C 2008 10:37 AM> >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >> Subject: Re:
RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >>> >>>> >>> Steve=3B> >>> This is
a great offer and I appreciate seeing this=2C wish I could share > >>> of>
>> >>> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.> >>> Do you hav
e a end of auction time/date?> >>> Thanks!> >>>> >>> To start I bid $200> >
>>> >>> --------------------------------------------------> >>> From: "stev
en dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >>> Sent: Tuesday=2C July 15=2C 2008 9
:36 PM> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >>> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-Lis
t : rv10 hq donation> >>>> >>>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >>>>> >>>> Hey guy
s=2C> >>>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in organi
zing> >>>> and securing the sites at osh=2C and I for one am very grateful
=2C for> >>>> without> >>>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I kn
ow they've invested a > >>>> lot> >> >>>> of> >>>> their time and money. I'
d like to offer up a set of flush billet door> >>>> handles for "auction" t
o the highest bidder with the proceeds going> >>>> toward> >>>> the osh fun
d (which they can use at their discretion). We need to try > >>>> to> >> >>
>> pay> >>>> for a common camp site=2C food=2C pop=2C beer=2Cetc. so even i
f your not> >>>> camping> >>>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to
post a bid for the handles> >>>> and> >>>> the highest bidder wins. So if y
our on the fence=2C tell your other half> >>>> "its> >>>> for a good cause"
. Lets start off at 100.00$> >>>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com> >
>>>> >>>> Steve dinieri> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ________________________________ Me
ssage 18 ____________________________________> > > Time: 06:02:52 PM PST US
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> From: "rleffler" <r
vmail@thelefflers.com>> > > Steve=2C> > I'll bid $350.> > Bob> > -------->
Bob Leffler> N410BL - Wings> RV-10 #40684> > > Read this topic online here:
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194035#194035> > > ______
__________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________>
> > Time: 06:36:27 PM PST US> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuild
er@sausen.net>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >
> Dang snipers! :D> > Do not archive> > -----Original Message-----> From:
owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com] On Behalf Of rleffler> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 7:58 PM> Sub
ject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > > Steve=2C> > I'll bid
$350.> > Bob> > --------> Bob Leffler> N410BL - Wings> RV-10 #40684> > > R
ead this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=194035#194035> > > ________________________________ Message 20 _________
___________________________> > > Time: 07:37:25 PM PST US> Subject: RE: RV1
0-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> > >
My database showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.> > John Cox>
> -----Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [
mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris=2C Susie=2C
Darcy> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:22 PM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fl
ying RV-10 Weight> > > VH-ICY 1624 pounds> > > ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> Sent: Monday=2C July 21=2C 20
08 12:06 AM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > >> > 27 are i
n my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in on > > finished w
eight.> >> > John Cox> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-
list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of RV Builder > > (Michael Sausen)> > Sent: Thursday=2C July 17
=2C 2008 5:07 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List:
Flying RV-10 Weight> >> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>> >> > Checkoway has a W&B
database on his site. Looks like he has 11 RV-10's in > > it at the moment.
I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't > > entered their weight
into this to do so. It's a great resource and the > > more data the better.
> >> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/> >> > Michael> >> > -----Original Mess
age-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv
10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> > Sent: Thursday=2C
July 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV10-Li
st: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >> > -10 List=2C> > Is there a record of flying
RV-10's weights anyplace on the web? > > Should I be 30# over Max Gross we
ight before fluids or paint? Ok=2C ok=2C it's > > not that bad....> >> > Ro
bin> > Well... it's getting weighed...> > Do Not Archive> >> >> > > > > ___
_____________________________ Message 21 __________________________________
__> > > Time: 07:46:27 PM PST US> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10
.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> > > great=2C t
hanks all> if there's no major objections=2C lets run this out until tomorr
ow night 9 > pm. we're on a roll . Bruce was the winner at 9 tonight=2C but
I'll agree to > sell him a set at his auction price so we can continue til
l tomrrow and > round up a few more bucks for the HQ.> steve> > -----------
---------------------------------------> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder
.net>> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 8:57 PM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV1
0-List : rv10 hq donation> > >> > let's make this fun! since it is for a go
od cause!> > $340> >> > Pascal> >> > --------------------------------------
------------> > From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>> > Sent: S
unday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:45 PM> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> > Subjec
t: RE: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >> >> <snyderbd888@sbcgloba
l.net>> >>> >> Steve=2C> >>> >> I'll bump it up to $320.> >>> >> Bruce Snyd
er> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matr
onics.com> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pa
scal> >> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 7:20 PM> >> To: rv10-list@matronic
s.com> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >>> >>> >>
Steve=3B> >> I'll increase my bid to $300> >> Thanks!> >> Pascal> >>> >> --
------------------------------------------------> >> From: "Steven DiNieri"
<capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >> Sent: Wednesday=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:44 AM> >
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv1
0 hq donation> >>> >>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the bid
=2C you make a good point. lets just run this till=2C > >>> say=2C> >>> 9:0
0 Sunday night eastern time.> >>> Should be plenty of time to ponder withou
t dragging it out...> >>> steve> >>>> >>> ---------------------------------
-----------------> >>> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> >>> Sent: W
ednesday=2C July 16=2C 2008 10:37 AM> >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >>
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Ste
ve=3B> >>>> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this=2C wish I co
uld share > >>>> of> >>> >>>> the camaraderie that will once again happen a
t OSH.> >>>> Do you have a end of auction time/date?> >>>> Thanks!> >>>>> >
>>> To start I bid $200> >>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------
-----------> >>>> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>> >>>> Sent
: Tuesday=2C July 15=2C 2008 9:36 PM> >>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> >
>>> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> >>>>> >>>>> <capsteve
@iflyrv10.com>> >>>>>> >>>>> Hey guys=2C> >>>>> Tim and bob have been both
taken on a predominant role in organizing> >>>>> and securing the sites at
osh=2C and I for one am very grateful=2C for> >>>>> without> >>>>> their ef
fort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know they've invested a > >>>>> lot> >
>> >>>>> of> >>>>> their time and money. I'd like to offer up a set of flus
h billet door> >>>>> handles for "auction" to the highest bidder with the p
roceeds going> >>>>> toward> >>>>> the osh fund (which they can use at thei
r discretion). We need to try > >>>>> to> >>> >>>>> pay> >>>>> for a common
camp site=2C food=2C pop=2C beer=2Cetc. so even if your not> >>>>> camping
> >>>>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for the hand
les> >>>>> and> >>>>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence=2C t
ell your other half> >>>>> "its> >>>>> for a good cause". Lets start off at
100.00$> >>>>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com> >>>>>> >>>>> Steve
dinieri> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > >
________________________________ Message 22 _______________________________
_____> > > Time: 07:46:29 PM PST US> Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ Group 2>
From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>> > > Gary and I are on site f
or the duration and have "tentatively" staked out group> 2. We are a contig
uous block 2 rows west of Group 1 at 55th and Lindbergh in> Camp Scholler.
There were sites closer however there was heavy rain last night> and a lot
of standing water/mud/etc. Gary (he got here first) wisely chose> the high
ground! I will post more later=2C but a few notes of interest:> - Crowd act
ually appears down a bit from last year. Gary and I commandeered 3> wood pi
cnic tables for use in the HQ area. This would have been unheard of in> pri
or years. We also have a couple of smaller=2C regular tables for use.> - mo
squitoes are BAD in the late evening. Bring your bug spray and be prepared>
to do battle. Brenda had a citronella candle that may have been effective.
> - WiFi is not yet functional. There is good RF signal strength and I can
"see"> at least a half dozen access points however no actual Internet conne
ction results> yet.> - We have Gary's motor home oriented to provide shade
for afternoon gatherings.> Additionally=2C we have 2 10x10 canopies that we
'll set up over the tables tomorrow.> - Susan acquired an industrial coffee
maker at a garage sale and brought it along.> Assuming it works=2C we'll h
ave coffee in the AM for those that don't want> to make the walk over to th
e camp store!> > I will send pictures and GPS coordinates tomorrow.> > Bob
(and Susan=2C Gary=2C and Brenda)> > > Read this topic online here:> > http
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194051#194051> > > ______________
__________________ Message 23 ____________________________________> > > Tim
e: 07:56:51 PM PST US> Subject: RV10-List: Gross weight> From: "lbgjb10" <l
bgjb@gnt.net>> > > I noticed that some RV10 use a higher GW than Vans. What
are the pros/cons. > thanks. larry> > --------> Larry and Gayle N104LG> >
> Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php
?p=194055#194055> > > ________________________________ Message 24 _______
_____________________________> > > Time: 08:07:48 PM PST US> From: "Rene" <
rene@felker.com>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > Well=2C
today was my final weight day. I have almost everything installed.> All I h
ave left is a little bit of headliner and a little paint in the> interior.
Weight today=2C 1698=2C at 109.22.> > Rene'> 801-721-6080> > > -----Origina
l Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-r
v10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox> Sent: Sunday=2C July
20=2C 2008 8:32 PM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > > My d
atabase showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.> > John Cox> > --
---Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [mail
to:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris=2C Susie=2C> Da
rcy> Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:22 PM> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flyin
g RV-10 Weight> > > VH-ICY 1624 pounds> > > ----- Original Message ----- >
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> Sent: Monday=2C July 21=2C 2008
12:06 AM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > >> > 27 are in m
y database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in on > > finished weig
ht.> >> > John Cox> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-lis
t-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On
Behalf Of RV Builder > > (Michael Sausen)> > Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C
2008 5:07 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flyi
ng RV-10 Weight> >> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>> >> > Checkoway has a W&B data
base on his site. Looks like he has 11 RV-10's in> > > it at the moment. I
recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't > > entered their weight int
o this to do so. It's a great resource and the > > more data the better.> >
> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/> >> > Michael> >> > -----Original Message
-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-
list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> > Sent: Thursday=2C Ju
ly 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: RV10-List:
Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >> > -10 List=2C> > Is there a record of flying RV
-10's weights anyplace on the web? > > Should I be 30# over Max Gross weigh
t before fluids or paint? Ok=2C ok=2C it's> > > not that bad....> >> > Robi
n> > Well... it's getting weighed...> > Do Not Archive> >> >> > > > > _____
___________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________
> > > Time: 08:11:02 PM PST US> From: "Chris=2C Susie=2C Darcy" <vhmum@bigp
ond.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > Yes as I have ad
ded the tow bar to a fixed point in the baggage area> > ----- Original Mess
age ----- > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> Sent: Monday=2C July
21=2C 2008 12:32 PM> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> > > >> >
My database showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.> >> > John C
ox> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matroni
cs.com > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
=2C Susie=2C > > Darcy> > Sent: Sunday=2C July 20=2C 2008 4:22 PM> > To: rv
10-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >> >>
> VH-ICY 1624 pounds> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John
Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>> > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>> > Sent: Mo
nday=2C July 21=2C 2008 12:06 AM> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 We
ight> >> >> >>> >> 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not rep
orting in on> >> finished weight.> >>> >> John Cox> >>> >> -----Original Me
ssage-----> >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> >> [mailto:owner
-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder> >> (Michael Sause
n)> >> Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 5:07 PM> >> To: rv10-list@matronic
s.com> >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> >>> >> <rvbuilder@sa
usen.net>> >>> >> Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he h
as 11 RV-10's > >> in> >> it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is
flying and hasn't> >> entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great
resource and the> >> more data the better.> >>> >> http://www.rvproject.co
m/wab/> >>> >> Michael> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: owner-r
v10-list-server@matronics.com> >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.
com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks> >> Sent: Thursday=2C July 17=2C 2008 4:49 PM
> >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> >> Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weigh
t> >>> >>> >> -10 List=2C> >> Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights a
nyplace on the web?> >> Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids
or paint? Ok=2C ok=2C > >> it's> >> not that bad....> >>> >> Robin> >> Wel
l... it's getting weighed...> >> Do Not Archive> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>
> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > _______________________
_________ Message 26 ____________________________________> > > Time: 09:19:
57 PM PST US> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>> Subject: RV10-List:
Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video> > For anyone who is into radio
controlled=2C this is a pretty cool video of > the B-29 with the X-1. > htt
p://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv > This aircraft runs on four cha
in saw motors. You can just imagine how > much time=2C effort=2C skill and
money these guys have put into this thing. > Made me think of us builders w
ith our RV-10=2C not that anyone has > mentioned putting a chain saw engine
in their planes .. yet .. but the > time=2C skill=2C effort and money does
indeed apply to us. > > Pascal> > ________________________________ Message
27 ____________________________________> > > Time: 09:36:10 PM PST US> Sub
ject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator Trim Bracket Mod?> From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@
Pacbell.net>> > > great idea. have any pictures> > --------> OSH '08 or Bus
t (busted) be there in "=3B09> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgator
y> > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopi
c.php?p=194067#194067> > > ________________________________ Message 28 __
__________________________________> > > Time: 09:51:22 PM PST US> Subject:
RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation> From: "Robin Marks" <robin
1@mrmoisture.com>> > > Wow=2C this is getting exciting... I am thinking of
donating my door> handles and they are already installed & doors fitted. An
ything for> charity.> Thanks for all the campsite updates. I am looking for
ward to meeting> everyone a week from Monday.> > Robin> > Do Not Archive> >
-----Original Message-----> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com> [m
ailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler> Sent: Su
nday=2C July 20=2C 2008 5:58 PM> Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 h
q donation> > > Steve=2C> > I'll bid $350.> > Bob> > --------> Bob Leffler>
N410BL - Wings> RV-10 #40684> > > Read this topic online here:> > http://f
orums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194035#194035> > > __________________
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9:58:48 PM PST US> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight> From: "Robi
n Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>> > > Regarding weight mine is going to com
e in as "portly" due to a lot of extras. We> are at ~1625 before paint and
partial interior. In our defense we have the OH> console=2C O2=2C Leather
=2C dual 12V to 24V Comm voltage converters (heavy)=2C balanced> wheel pant
s=2C double DVD players and the list keeps growing.> My question has to do
with weight left to right. I placed the O2 system right of> centerline and
the wing servos in the right wing expecting my generous proportions> would
be PIC. But the empty weight was 20# greater on the left wheel than> the ri
ght. Any thoughts?> > Robin> Travel Plans:> San Luis Obispo=2C LA=2C Chicag
o=2C Arkansas=2C Chicago=2C OSH=2C Kohler=2C Chicago=2C LA=2C San> Luis Obi
spo=2C LA. > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ______________
______________________> > > Time: 10:07:31 PM PST US> From: "Dave Leikam" <
daveleikam@wi.rr.com>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio
control video> > Now they should simulate dropping a nuke.> > do not archi
ve> ----- Original Message ----- > From: pascal > To: rv10-list > Sent: Sun
day=2C July 20=2C 2008 11:13 PM> Subject: RV10-List: Fw: non Rv-10 related-
radio control video> > > For anyone who is into radio controlled=2C this i
s a pretty cool video > of the B-29 with the X-1. > http://users.skynet.be/
fa926657/files/B29.wmv > This aircraft runs on four chain saw motors. You c
an just imagine > how much time=2C effort=2C skill and money these guys hav
e put into this > thing. > Made me think of us builders with our RV-10=2C n
ot that anyone has > mentioned putting a chain saw engine in their planes .
. yet .. but the > time=2C skill=2C effort and money does indeed apply to u
===========> > > >
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| Subject: | rear seat cover panel- should there be a gap? |
Is it normal to have a gap around the top of the rear seat cover panel
(35-4 figure 2)? I have a 1/8 gap from the skin as it sits on top of the
longeron and the aft of the cover panel off of 1034c. I have this the
same on both sides. I am thinking it should be a little more flush with
the skins, etc..
Thanks!
Pascal
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Sorry to hear of your problem. I have a couple plexiglass scrapers from
the last time I worked on my Mooney fuel tanks. Be glad to assist if you
want. There is a Mooney shop that sells a solvent for PRC sealant that
can make that part of the work easier. I can get you contact info. A
more aggressive method is to use a stainless steel wire brush cup in an
air drill...but I don't like what that does to the tank skins.
My annual on my Mooney is turning into a lot more work than I
anticipated when I started it. Just typical stuff that shows up when
parts get old, but takes time and $$.
Kelly
Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
> Had one of the worst screw ups in my building career tonight......and
> of course the fact that was 103 and humid didn't soothe my termperment
> either. While match drilling the bottom skins on my wings, one of the
> spar ends fell and damaged the forward nose rib and skin pretty bad.
> The number one reason I bought QB wings was to avoid building those
> fuel tanks, and now it looks like I have to drill one apart and reskin
> it. Any shortcuts?..........(he asks, knowing there is likely only
> alot of elbow grease to look forward to)
>
> Mike Lefever
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
It was a difficult job. but I just did not want those two didlies sticking up on
the nice smooth cowl. I found that I had to put a bit of camber in the door
to make it "go flat". I also ran a z-strip to rigidify the door at the closure
side. The Hartwell clip (available at OSH) are well made and last forever. Get
them at Osh on the cheap. Here is an inside view. Note - I am not flying so
it is not a proven product yet.
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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