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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Hidden oil door hinge (Lew Gallagher)
2. 07:38 AM - Hidden Oil Door hinge (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
3. 08:03 AM - Re: Hidden Oil Door hinge (Rick Sked)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Re: RV10-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/20/08 (Jeff Carpenter)
5. 02:21 PM - Re: RV-List: Andair Corrosion (jan)
6. 03:17 PM - Re: RV-List: Andair Corrosion - Fuel tank corrosion (jan)
7. 03:35 PM - Re: Window Trouble (Dave Saylor)
8. 04:23 PM - Re: Re: RV-List: Andair Corrosion (Sam Marlow)
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden oil door hinge |
Hey Deems,
"Emmersome" fine pics! Many hours, fine craftsmanship. Thanks.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194327#194327
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| Subject: | Hidden Oil Door hinge |
I've got the hidden oil door hinge from rvparts, but not installed it
yet. I'd like to maybe be able to skip the Harwell latches and have a
truly hidden system. I've seen other RVs with a cable release that runs
up to the air intake area. Anyone got any other clever ideas? Some
sort of magnetic-release latch?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: Hidden Oil Door hinge |
Tim,
Here are a few links:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=7380&highlight=h
idden+oil+door+hinge
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=1606&highlight=d
oor
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=30158&highlight=
hidden+oil+door+hinge
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Dawson-Townsend" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 7:32:33 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Hidden Oil Door hinge
I=99ve got the hidden oil door hinge from rvparts, but not installed
it yet.=C2- I=99d like to maybe be able to skip the Harwell latches
and have a truly hidden system.=C2- I=99ve seen other RVs with a c
able release that runs up to the air intake area.=C2- Anyone got any othe
r clever ideas?=C2- Some sort of magnetic-release latch?
TDT
Tim Dawson-Townsend
40025
tdt@aurora.aero
617-500-4812 (office)
617-905-4800 (mobile)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV10-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/20/08 |
Hi Mike,
I'm a slow build guy... all the way... and wound up with some
corrosion in one of my tanks. After a lot of sanding I finally
decided to scrap it and start again. The cost was about $450.00 and
62 hours. Once I got over the heartache, the process, like all the
other building was enjoyable and gratifying. I built a very nice
"third" tank.
It seems to me that re-skinning the tank could take much more time
than simply starting from scratch, and the prospect of having a leak
would be much greater. I imagine that the worst result at this point
would be to spend a ton of time trying to re-skin, only to wind up
starting from scratch.
Jeff Carpenter
40304
Bolting in the steps
On Jul 21, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Roxanne and Mike Lefever wrote:
> Had one of the worst screw ups in my building career
> tonight......and of course the fact that was 103 and humid didn't
> soothe my termperment either. While match drilling the bottom
> skins on my wings, one of the spar ends fell and damaged the
> forward nose rib and skin pretty bad. The number one reason I
> bought QB wings was to avoid building those fuel tanks, and now it
> looks like I have to drill one apart and reskin it. Any
> shortcuts?..........(he asks, knowing there is likely only alot of
> elbow grease to look forward to)
>
> Mike Lefever
>
> > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:57:54 -0700
> > From: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > To: rv10-list-digest@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List Digest: 30 Msgs - 07/20/08
> >
> > *
> >
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> > Total Messages Posted Sun 07/20/08: 30
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> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 07:11 AM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (John Cox)
> > 2. 07:19 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (Dave Leikam)
> > 3. 09:09 AM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher)
> > 4. 09:19 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure (Bill
> DeRouchey)
> > 5. 10:21 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (Les Kearney)
> > 6. 10:40 AM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (Carl
> Froehlich)
> > 7. 11:09 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure (Tim Olson)
> > 8. 11:55 AM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Neil & Sarah Colliver)
> > 9. 12:45 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (pascal)
> > 10. 12:59 PM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (MauleDriver)
> > 11. 02:26 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (John Cox)
> > 12. 02:26 PM - Back seats (Dave Leikam)
> > 13. 03:55 PM - Re: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets (McGANN, Ron)
> > 14. 04:24 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (pascal)
> > 15. 04:26 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Chris, Susie, Darcy)
> > 16. 04:50 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (Bruce Snyder)
> > 17. 06:01 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (pascal)
> > 18. 06:02 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (rleffler)
> > 19. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (RV Builder
> (Michael Sausen))
> > 20. 07:37 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (John Cox)
> > 21. 07:46 PM - Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (Steven DiNieri)
> > 22. 07:46 PM - RV-10 HQ Group 2 (bcondrey)
> > 23. 07:56 PM - Gross weight (lbgjb10)
> > 24. 08:07 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Rene)
> > 25. 08:11 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Chris, Susie, Darcy)
> > 26. 09:19 PM - Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video (pascal)
> > 27. 09:36 PM - Re: Elevator Trim Bracket Mod? (AirMike)
> > 28. 09:51 PM - Re: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation (Robin Marks)
> > 29. 09:58 PM - Re: Flying RV-10 Weight (Robin Marks)
> > 30. 10:07 PM - Re: Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video
> (Dave Leikam)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:11:30 AM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >
> >
> > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in
> on finished
> > weight.
> >
> > John Cox
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> RV-10's in it at
> > the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't
> entered their
> > weight into this to do so. It's a great resource and the more
> data the better.
> >
> > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > -10 List,
> > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web?
> Should
> > I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint? Ok, ok,
> it's not that
> > bad....
> >
> > Robin
> > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:19:46 AM PST US
> > From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod
> with
> > the rivet, shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my
> bench vise
> > and used my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well.
> > Squeezer didn't. I think the problem is that the rod is hollow
> and does
> > not support the rivet shank inside.
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > RV-10 #40496
> > N89DA (Reserved)
> > Muskego, WI
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Les Kearney
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:13 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll see you at Whitman.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > -----
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
> > Sent: July-19-08 7:49 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a Cherry Max depth gauge for you which is used to size the
> grip
> > measurement and confirm correct rivet length for any job. I will
> send
> > you one if you send me your address.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J. is correct, in many locations the AN bolt, fastener or rivet
> > is incorrect on the company plans. By the time you are out of parts,
> > you will be able to read the correct length and make certain they
> comply
> > with the guidelines of the AC 43.13. If your DAR is any good, he
> might
> > point out the error of the lengths during the paperwork review
> (oh yeh,
> > Canadians don't use DARs). Boy is Rob's new prop exciting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scrapes, bruises and torn knuckles getting the Warbird ready for the
> > flight next week. Aurora to Missoula to Glendive, MT (on
> Thursday) then
> > West Bend, WI (on Friday) with final arrival at the big one (on
> Sunday).
> > Bringing a few cases of cold ones for Tim and Bob, Mike and the
> > stakeout gang.
> >
> >
> >
> > Without an address, I will bring the gauge direct to RV Central at
> > OSH. There is nothing like a Wisconsin summer.
> >
> >
> >
> > John C.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Jessen
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:38 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> >
> > Les, are the rivets trying to tell you something? JC would wonder if
> > they were too long to begin with. Many rivets called out in the
> plans
> > are either too short or too long. Up to us to determine proper size.
> > Rivet cutters are cheap.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just musing.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ---
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
> Kearney
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:49 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems like in every major section of the -10 construction, I hit
> > something that causes me no end of grief. This time it is the rod
> ends
> > for wings. After trashing one set due to a measurement error
> (duh!), I
> > made another perfect set after getting replacement tubes from Van's.
> > This time when riveting with the AN470AD4-11 rivets, the rivets
> seemed
> > to slump to one side. How does one squeeze these rivets without
> > slumping? Part of the problem may be the size of the rivets I am
> trying
> > to squeeze - the -11 rivets are just a bit to long for my pneumatic
> > squeezer jaws so I have to work at getting them to come down. I also
> > wonder if the hollow tube affects how the rivets squeeze.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there some magic trick I am missing?
> >
> >
> >
> > Inquiring minds need to know.
> >
> >
> >
> > Les Kearney
> >
> > #40643 - QB wings, fuse, electrical whatever
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:09:46 AM PST US
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
> > From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> >
> >
> > OK, Don. You are on the list for John's "Traveling Countersink
> Show".
> >
> > I left a message on Eric's voice mail yesterday -- no response yet.
> >
> > Later, - Lew
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > --------
> > non-pilot
> > crazy about building
> > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193925#193925
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:19:16 AM PST US
> > From: Bill DeRouchey <billderou@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> >
> > Hi again Tim - (its all good discussion)
> > -
> > The wobble measurements of 3/4" vertical and 1/2" lateral was the
> distance
> > my hand was moving when testing the fairing security during my
> pre-flight.
> > My hand was on the forward- tip of the fairing.-So it had an
> approx 18"
> > of lever arm on the U-1010L plate. Working with just the plate:
> if you tig
> > hten the plate then back off each bolt to create a 1/64" opening
> it would b
> > e equilivant to the plate wiggle that I observed. Thinking about
> it more it
> > was probably closer to 1/32".
> > -
> > All forces on the fairing need to be transfered back into the
> axel and the
> > mount acts as a system with attach points at the fairing outboard
> and inboa
> > rd. When a weak point develops it "leans" on the other side to
> accelerate w
> > ear at that point. Then they go back and forth destroying each
> other-very
> > quickly.
> > -
> > The standard axel end standoff-orbiting about the AN4-6 bolt-is
> the wea
> > k point-outboard-and the U-1008 to U-1010-joint galling is the
> weak p
> > oint inboard. Yesterday, I thought the galling was the original
> sin that br
> > oke the AN4-6 bolt but your information indicates that the
> standoff is the
> > major problem since your U-1010 plate is still secure. If you
> solve the pro
> > blem on one side it reduces the forces on-the other. It would not
> surpris
> > e me that if one mounted the U-1010 plate as I suggested earlier
> with a was
> > her and steel spacers the AN4-6 bolt would not break for-a-
> thousand plu
> > s-hours.
> > -
> > If you were smarter than me and deviated from the plans-slipping
> a thin w
> > asher between the U-1008 and the U-1010 then you have a good 90%
> solution t
> > hat will probably last forever. If not, the joint absolutely will
> gall and
> > loosen over time. Question is how much time?
> > -
> > I think every weak point-needs-fixing to keep a system-failure
> from o
> > ccuring.
> > - - Devise any standoff with a large OD that will not orbit and-
> no co
> > tter key through the bolt
> > --- Add a washer between the U-1008 and U-1010
> > --- Replace the U-1008 with steel spacers and torque properly-
> > ---
> > Its all about minimizing problems over-long service times.
> Nothing really
> > needs to be fixed until the fairing begins to wiggle. Just check
> it on you
> > r pre-flight.
> > -
> > Bill DeRouchey
> > N939SB, flying
> > -
> > -
> > ---- On Sat, 7/19/08, Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> >
> >
> > Hi again Bill,
> > One more followup... you said "It was approximately 3/4" top to
> > bottom
> > and 1/2" left to right."
> >
> > I want to make sure I'm understanding. Are you saying that if you
> > grab the top of that fairing mounting plate (the big swiss cheese
> > bent thick aluminum metal plate) that you can rock it back and forth
> > pulling in/out on it if you're sitting facing the side of the wheel
> > grabbing it by the top, and if you grabbed it by the aft end of that
> > plate you could pull it 1/2" in and out? As in, that whole plate
> > gets wobbly?
> >
> > I ask because so far, mine is very solid with no slop, at 360 approx
> > hours. I just mounted those flex brake lines to that plate
> > not long ago so I recently had it apart, and it's really tight.
> > I've had the axle extension now for probably the last 2 years
> > or so though, so I'm wondering if maybe yours loosened over time
> > maybe partly due to the fact that you hadn't been using the
> extensions.
> > That would be a possibility I'd think. Let me know if I'm
> > misunderstanding how it was loose though.
> >
> > I do think that the outer end of the fairing mount, where it
> attaches
> > to the extension, will naturally have to support quite a bit of
> > bumping up and down. Even if that plate were solid (and by all
> means,
> > making or keeping it solid is a great thing), I think that 1/4-28
> > stainless screw needs to hold that fairing pretty solidly, as there
> > is going to be quite a bit of torque from the axle extension to
> > the axle nut trying to snap that bolt. I know my hex rod, even
> > after 6-12 months, had rounded the corners over rocking on that
> > metal washer....so yeah, that bolt in the standard design is
> > definitely a fracture point waiting to happen. Anything you can
> > do...any of the various axle extensions that were created, should
> > help make that bolt snapping much much less of an issue. I
> personally
> > think they should be standard parts with the kits, given the size
> > of the wheel fairings we carry around....and the number of
> > broken extensions we've seen. I know there are over a half-dozen
> > or more.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> > > Hi Tim-
> > >
> > > I remember the list addressing the AN4-6 bolt issue but I had
> already
> > > mounted my wheels and did not want to back track. Maybe I
> should have in
> >
> > > retrospec.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My extensions were Vans stock with no modifications. The U-1008
> spacers
> >
> > > were galled at the contact with U-1010L and had dug in approx
> 1/64".
> > All
> > > three spacers/plate showed the same wear and the "wiggle"
> > produced at
> > > the forward point of the fairing was very noticable. It was
> > > approximately 3/4" top to bottom and 1/2" left to right. Imagine
> > the
> > > U-1010L plate mounted on 3 weak standoffs and the little play
> required
> > > to move the forward point of the fairing. Of course, this was
> with the
> > > small shoulder spacer from Vans on the outboard side.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The modification of the axel nut standoff as in your drawing
> should work
> >
> > > very well but it is only half of the problem. It would address
> and solve
> >
> > > wiggle on the outboard fairing attach point but is carrying
> load that
> > > should be disipated by the U-1010L plate. By not shifting load
> to the
> > > U-1010L the big countersunk 1/4-28 screw and the fiberglass at the
> > > outboard end of the standoff must be handling a lot of shock
> when the
> > > tire hits a bump.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If anyone flying has wiggle in their MLG fairings I believe it
> can be
> > > traced to galling between U-1008 and U-1010L. Omitting a steel
> washer
> > > created the galling but the inability to properly torque the
> three bolts
> >
> > > is also problematic. I initially torqued the three bolts with a
> thin
> > > washer between the aluminum pieces and watched the spacer puff
> out.
> > > After adding an outer steel sheath and a thin washer to fill-in
> the
> > > indentation of U-1010L the plate torques to a solid mount for the
> > > fairing. The difference in U-1010L stiffness between the before
> and
> > > after is huge.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill DeRouchey
> > >
> > > N939SB, flying
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:24 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > Were you already using improved axle extensions? These
> > > are what we came up with a couple years ago to fix breakage
> > > at that point.
> > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html
> > > If not, that's a pretty easy way to strengthen that point,
> > > as that stem actually doesn't have enough base to prevent
> > > the hex rod from rocking back and forth.
> > >
> > > Did you actually see deformation of those 3 spacers?
> > >
> > > From what it sounds like at first glance, you may be going
> > > about it the hard way to fix the problem, but I'd like to hear
> > > more of what damaged parts you found OTHER than the bolt
> > > stem.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> > > > I landed approximately a dozen times on a long, grass strip in
> > the Idaho
> > > > wilderness and found the AN4-6 bolt shown on page 46-5 figure 2
> > sheared
> > > > at the cotter pin. This is the AN4 that pokes out of the large
> > axel nut
> > > > to hold the fairing standoff. The port side failed but the
> > starboard MLG
> > > > fairing could be wiggled and would soon fail.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The strip is pocked with small mounds much like a polo field
> > before the
> > > > divits are replaced. There were no holes, nor did I hit
> anything,
> > nor
> > > > did I land hard. The fiberglass fairing is still pristine. What
> > caused
> > > > the problem is the fairing jiggling up and down during the roll
> > out.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tearing the landing gear down for inspection revealed that the
> > current
> > > > design will not work over time. I believe the failure begins at
> > the 3
> > > > U-1008 spacers shown on page 46-4 figure 4. When the fairing
> > bounces
> > > > about these spacers gall the U-1010L plate and loosen the
> inboard
> > side
> > > > of the fairing. Once the inboard side of the fairing begins to
> > move
> > > > around it has a 5 inch lever arm (U-1004B) from the outboard
> > fairing
> > > > attachment point that works the AN4 bolt and will shear it at
> the
> > cotter
> > > > pin hole. Looking at the sheared bolt endwise the structural
> area
> > is
> > > > very small after the cotter hole is drilled and the thread
> depths
> > are
> > > > subtracted.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Two items need to be redesigned. The three bolts thru U-1010L
> > cannot be
> > > > tightened because the tension simply crushes the aluminum
> > spacers. The
> > > > spacers need to be steel and the joint tightened. I don't
> > have a lathe
> > >
> > > > but do have lots of 4130 tubing .5" OD by .375 ID. I cleaned
> > the
> > > inside
> > > > of the tube with a .375" ream and pressed the aluminum
> > spacer inside.
> > >
> > > > Added a washer between the spacer and the U-1010L and tightened
> > it
> > > > properly. Now it is much stiffer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Beefing up the AN4 at the axel nut required much more work. If
> > you only
> > > > have a hammer then you use a hammer to fix all problems. I
> > created a
> > > > weldment with a TIG welder but a lathe is the better tool. I
> used
> > the
> > > > same steel .5"OD by .375"ID tubing and constructed a
> > standoff
> > > with an
> > > > AN5 stud on one end and an AN4 nut on the other. Drilled out the
> > axel
> > > > nut for the AN5 and placed the AN5 nut on the inside of the axel
> > nut.
> > > > Make sure you have clearance when the big cotter pin is inserted
> > thru
> > > > the axel nut. I am sure there are many more clever approaches
> but
> > this
> > > > will work.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > BTW there were several flight test engineers at our camp that
> > encouraged
> > > > me to fly home from Idaho with one MLG fairing on and the other
> > off.
> > > > This would be more convenient as my RV-10 was stuffed full of
> > camping
> > > > equipment and there was no room for another MLG fairing. I duct
> > taped
> > > > the leg fairings in place and took off. They were right. At
> > cruise the
> > > > cost was 8 mph and 1/4 bubble of rudder. No handling difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill DeRouchey
> > > >
> > > > N939SB, flying
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:21:57 AM PST US
> > From: "Les Kearney" <kearney@shaw.ca>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > I am glad that I am not the only one who has had the same
> problem. Misery
> > loves company as the saying goes.
> >
> >
> > Knowing that I am going to call the House of Van's for more parts
> tomorrow,
> > I decided to do a little experimenting. I will pas this on so
> others can
> > learn from my mistakes.
> >
> >
> > * Riveting tubes can be a b^&ch
> > * When drilling the holes in the tube, it is important to go down
> the
> > exact centerline of the tube. Being even a little off center will
> cause
> > problems with riveting (slumping). If even slightly off center,
> the rivet
> > head will conform to the radius of the tube and you will then be
> riveting
> > off center.
> > * Drilling a pilot all the way through then re-drilling with the rod
> > end installed can cause the bottom hole to be a bit off center
> (elongated)
> > if not drilled exactly down the centerline. (Dos anyone have any
> ideas why
> > Van's calls for pilots first and then final drilling through the
> rod ends?
> > It seems like this makes the whole process a bit riskier).
> > * I found that installing the rod ends could be deceptively
> difficult.
> > What I did on my "test" pieces was:
> >
> > * install the first rod end (which was very tight)
> > * drilled a pilot through the whole assembly
> > * drilled the final #30 hole through the whole assembly
> > * cleaned out the chips in the tube and deburred the exterior holes
> > * back riveted the end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)
> > * repeated for the next hole
> > * primed the interior of the tube
> > * Installed the second rod end and drilled as above
> > * Deburred and riveted
> >
> >
> > * I would have liked to deburr the interior side of rod end holes
> but
> > they were just too tight to get off without damaging the
> assembly. Anyway, I
> > can't see how the interior burrs and chips would be a factor (is
> this a
> > reasonable assumption?).
> >
> >
> > Dave's comment about going slow is absolutely essential. A series
> of very
> > light tabs is all that is required. To fast and you will be
> adding to your
> > scrap bin. Drilling out slumped rivets was beyond my ability.
> >
> >
> > In retrospect, I think a second set of eyes to help keep things
> square would
> > be very useful. I was working solo which was probably part of my
> problem as
> > parts orientation is critical when drilling and riveting a tube.
> >
> >
> > Comments on the above would be appreciated as it will be a while
> before I
> > get my replacement parts.
> >
> >
> > BTW, anybody need some slightly undersized rod end tubing?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Les
> >
> > #40643 - happily turning parts into scrap
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Leikam
> > Sent: July-20-08 8:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod
> with the
> > rivet, shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench
> vise and used
> > my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well. Squeezer
> didn't.
> > I think the problem is that the rod is hollow and does not
> support the rivet
> > shank inside.
> >
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > RV-10 #40496
> > N89DA (Reserved)
> > Muskego, WI
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:40:36 AM PST US
> > From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> > One comment, always drill round tubes and such with a drill press
> and a tube
> > holder. I made a tube holder out of a piece of 2"x6", making two
> 45 degree
> > cuts to make a 'V' using a radial arm saw. The tube sits in the
> 'V'. I
> > added a couple of bolts to hold the jig onto the drill press so
> that the
> > drill bit was in the exact center of the 'V'. You can buy an
> aluminum one
> > from Harbor freight cheap enough as well.
> >
> >
> > Be careful not to put too much pressure on the drill bit or it
> will wander
> > off center.
> >
> >
> > Carl Froehlich
> >
> > RV-8A (450 hrs)
> >
> > RV-10 (fuselage)
> >
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
> Kearney
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:17 PM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > I am glad that I am not the only one who has had the same
> problem. Misery
> > loves company as the saying goes.
> >
> >
> > Knowing that I am going to call the House of Van's for more parts
> tomorrow,
> > I decided to do a little experimenting. I will pas this on so
> others can
> > learn from my mistakes.
> >
> >
> > * Riveting tubes can be a b^&ch
> > * When drilling the holes in the tube, it is important to go down
> the
> > exact centerline of the tube. Being even a little off center will
> cause
> > problems with riveting (slumping). If even slightly off center,
> the rivet
> > head will conform to the radius of the tube and you will then be
> riveting
> > off center.
> > * Drilling a pilot all the way through then re-drilling with the rod
> > end installed can cause the bottom hole to be a bit off center
> (elongated)
> > if not drilled exactly down the centerline. (Dos anyone have any
> ideas why
> > Van's calls for pilots first and then final drilling through the
> rod ends?
> > It seems like this makes the whole process a bit riskier).
> > * I found that installing the rod ends could be deceptively
> difficult.
> > What I did on my "test" pieces was:
> >
> > * install the first rod end (which was very tight)
> > * drilled a pilot through the whole assembly
> > * drilled the final #30 hole through the whole assembly
> > * cleaned out the chips in the tube and deburred the exterior holes
> > * back riveted the end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)
> > * repeated for the next hole
> > * primed the interior of the tube
> > * Installed the second rod end and drilled as above
> > * Deburred and riveted
> >
> >
> > * I would have liked to deburr the interior side of rod end holes
> but
> > they were just too tight to get off without damaging the
> assembly. Anyway, I
> > can't see how the interior burrs and chips would be a factor (is
> this a
> > reasonable assumption?).
> >
> >
> > Dave's comment about going slow is absolutely essential. A series
> of very
> > light tabs is all that is required. To fast and you will be
> adding to your
> > scrap bin. Drilling out slumped rivets was beyond my ability.
> >
> >
> > In retrospect, I think a second set of eyes to help keep things
> square would
> > be very useful. I was working solo which was probably part of my
> problem as
> > parts orientation is critical when drilling and riveting a tube.
> >
> >
> > Comments on the above would be appreciated as it will be a while
> before I
> > get my replacement parts.
> >
> >
> > BTW, anybody need some slightly undersized rod end tubing?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > Les
> >
> > #40643 - happily turning parts into scrap
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Leikam
> > Sent: July-20-08 8:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the rod
> with the
> > rivet, shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench
> vise and used
> > my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked well. Squeezer
> didn't.
> > I think the problem is that the rod is hollow and does not
> support the rivet
> > shank inside.
> >
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > RV-10 #40496
> > N89DA (Reserved)
> > Muskego, WI
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:09:34 AM PST US
> > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> >
> >
> > I agree with your comments Bill. I think in an ideal world, if you
> > fixed it on both sides, you'd never have any issue at all. If
> > you fix it on either side, you probably lessen your chances of
> > having problems greatly. If you leave it as-is on the plans,
> > you probably COULD go a long time, but eventually you'll have
> > some wear or weakening and when you land on grass you'll have
> > those original axle extensions break.
> >
> > For me, I'll just monitor those spacers for now then, because
> > I'm not seeing that with the heavier-duty extensions that
> > there's as much flex going on to gall the parts. But, I
> > may slip in a thin washer next time I'm in that area, to
> > help prevent wear on the metal plate.
> >
> > Great that you brought it up and clarified it. Certainly if
> > there were that 3/4 and 1/2" movement on the metal plate, that
> > would be really severe....at least those measurements were
> > at the fairing tips. Still not good, but now I see why the
> > number was larger than I expected.
> >
> > So far it looks to me like the 2 most "faulty" or in-need-of-fix
> > areas on the plane are probably those axle extensions and spacers
> > on the mains that we're talking about, and the spacer system up
> > on that nosewheel. Other than that, the plane is adding up
> > lots of good hours with no major issues.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> > > Hi again Tim - (its all good discussion)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The wobble measurements of 3/4" vertical and 1/2" lateral was the
> > > distance my hand was moving when testing the fairing security
> during my
> > > pre-flight. My hand was on the forward tip of the fairing. So
> it had an
> > > approx 18" of lever arm on the U-1010L plate. Working with just
> the
> > > plate: if you tighten the plate then back off each bolt to
> create a
> > > 1/64" opening it would be equilivant to the plate wiggle that I
> > > observed. Thinking about it more it was probably closer to 1/32".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All forces on the fairing need to be transfered back into the
> axel and
> > > the mount acts as a system with attach points at the fairing
> outboard
> > > and inboard. When a weak point develops it "leans" on the other
> side to
> > > accelerate wear at that point. Then they go back and forth
> destroying
> > > each other very quickly.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The standard axel end standoff orbiting about the AN4-6 bolt is
> the weak
> > > point outboard and the U-1008 to U-1010 joint galling is the
> weak point
> > > inboard. Yesterday, I thought the galling was the original sin
> that
> > > broke the AN4-6 bolt but your information indicates that the
> standoff is
> > > the major problem since your U-1010 plate is still secure. If
> you solve
> > > the problem on one side it reduces the forces on the other. It
> would not
> > > surprise me that if one mounted the U-1010 plate as I suggested
> earlier
> > > with a washer and steel spacers the AN4-6 bolt would not break
> > > for a thousand plus hours.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you were smarter than me and deviated from the plans
> slipping a thin
> > > washer between the U-1008 and the U-1010 then you have a good 90%
> > > solution that will probably last forever. If not, the joint
> absolutely
> > > will gall and loosen over time. Question is how much time?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think every weak point needs fixing to keep a system failure
> from
> > > occuring.
> > >
> > > Devise any standoff with a large OD that will not orbit and no
> > > cotter key through the bolt
> > >
> > > Add a washer between the U-1008 and U-1010
> > >
> > > Replace the U-1008 with steel spacers and torque properly
> > >
> > > Its all about minimizing problems over long service times. Nothing
> > > really needs to be fixed until the fairing begins to wiggle.
> Just check
> > > it on your pre-flight.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill DeRouchey
> > >
> > > N939SB, flying
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 8:14 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi again Bill,
> > > One more followup... you said "It was approximately 3/4" top to
> > > bottom
> > > and 1/2" left to right."
> > >
> > > I want to make sure I'm understanding. Are you saying that if you
> > > grab the top of that fairing mounting plate (the big swiss cheese
> > > bent thick aluminum metal plate) that you can rock it back and
> forth
> > > pulling in/out on it if you're sitting facing the side of the
> wheel
> > > grabbing it by the top, and if you grabbed it by the aft end of
> that
> > > plate you could pull it 1/2" in and out? As in, that whole plate
> > > gets wobbly?
> > >
> > > I ask because so far, mine is very solid with no slop, at 360
> approx
> > > hours. I just mounted those flex brake lines to that plate
> > > not long ago so I recently had it apart, and it's really tight.
> > > I've had the axle extension now for probably the last 2 years
> > > or so though, so I'm wondering if maybe yours loosened over time
> > > maybe partly due to the fact that you hadn't been using the
> extensions.
> > > That would be a possibility I'd think. Let me know if I'm
> > > misunderstanding how it was loose though.
> > >
> > > I do think that the outer end of the fairing mount, where it
> attaches
> > > to the extension, will naturally have to support quite a bit of
> > > bumping up and down. Even if that plate were solid (and by all
> means,
> > > making or keeping it solid is a great thing), I think that 1/4-28
> > > stainless screw needs to hold that fairing pretty solidly, as
> there
> > > is going to be quite a bit of torque from the axle extension to
> > > the axle nut trying to snap that bolt. I know my hex rod, even
> > > after 6-12 months, had rounded the corners over rocking on that
> > > metal washer....so yeah, that bolt in the standard design is
> > > definitely a fracture point waiting to happen. Anything you can
> > > do...any of the various axle extensions that were created, should
> > > help make that bolt snapping much much less of an issue. I
> personally
> > > think they should be standard parts with the kits, given the size
> > > of the wheel fairings we carry around....and the number of
> > > broken extensions we've seen. I know there are over a half-dozen
> > > or more.
> > >
> > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> > > > Hi Tim-
> > > >
> > > > I remember the list addressing the AN4-6 bolt issue but I had
> already
> > > > mounted my wheels and did not want to back track. Maybe I
> should have in
> >
> > > > retrospec.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My extensions were Vans stock with no modifications. The
> U-1008 spacers
> >
> > > > were galled at the contact with U-1010L and had dug in approx
> 1/64".
> > > All
> > > > three spacers/plate showed the same wear and the "wiggle"
> > > produced at
> > > > the forward point of the fairing was very noticable. It was
> > > > approximately 3/4" top to bottom and 1/2" left to right. Imagine
> > > the
> > > > U-1010L plate mounted on 3 weak standoffs and the little play
> required
> >
> > > > to move the forward point of the fairing. Of course, this was
> with the
> >
> > > > small shoulder spacer from Vans on the outboard side.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The modification of the axel nut standoff as in your drawing
> should work
> >
> > > > very well but it is only half of the problem. It would
> address and solve
> >
> > > > wiggle on the outboard fairing attach point but is carrying
> load that
> > > > should be disipated by the U-1010L plate. By not shifting
> load to the
> > > > U-1010L the big countersunk 1/4-28 screw and the fiberglass
> at the
> > > > outboard end of the standoff must be handling a lot of shock
> when the
> > > > tire hits a bump.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If anyone flying has wiggle in their MLG fairings I believe
> it can be
> > > > traced to galling between U-1008 and U-1010L. Omitting a
> steel washer
> > > > created the galling but the inability to properly torque the
> three bolts
> >
> > > > is also problematic. I initially torqued the three bolts with
> a thin
> > > > washer between the aluminum pieces and watched the spacer
> puff out.
> > > > After adding an outer steel sheath and a thin washer to fill-
> in the
> > > > indentation of U-1010L the plate torques to a solid mount for
> the
> > > > fairing. The difference in U-1010L stiffness between the
> before and
> > > > after is huge.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill DeRouchey
> > > >
> > > > N939SB, flying
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, Tim Olson /<Tim@MyRV10.com>/* wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Main Landing Gear Fairing Bolt Failure
> > > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > > Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 3:24 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bill,
> > > >
> > > > Were you already using improved axle extensions? These
> > > > are what we came up with a couple years ago to fix breakage
> > > > at that point.
> > > > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/upgrades/20070118/index.html
> > > > If not, that's a pretty easy way to strengthen that point,
> > > > as that stem actually doesn't have enough base to prevent
> > > > the hex rod from rocking back and forth.
> > > >
> > > > Did you actually see deformation of those 3 spacers?
> > > >
> > > > From what it sounds like at first glance, you may be going
> > > > about it the hard way to fix the problem, but I'd like to hear
> > > > more of what damaged parts you found OTHER than the bolt
> > > > stem.
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > > > do not archive
> > > >
> > > > Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> > > > > I landed approximately a dozen times on a long, grass strip in
> > > the Idaho
> > > > > wilderness and found the AN4-6 bolt shown on page 46-5
> figure 2
> > > sheared
> > > > > at the cotter pin. This is the AN4 that pokes out of the large
> > > axel nut
> > > > > to hold the fairing standoff. The port side failed but the
> > > starboard MLG
> > > > > fairing could be wiggled and would soon fail.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The strip is pocked with small mounds much like a polo field
> > > before the
> > > > > divits are replaced. There were no holes, nor did I hit
> anything,
> > > nor
> > > > > did I land hard. The fiberglass fairing is still pristine.
> What
> > > caused
> > > > > the problem is the fairing jiggling up and down during the
> roll
> > > out.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tearing the landing gear down for inspection revealed that the
> > > current
> > > > > design will not work over time. I believe the failure
> begins at
> > > the 3
> > > > > U-1008 spacers shown on page 46-4 figure 4. When the fairing
> > > bounces
> > > > > about these spacers gall the U-1010L plate and loosen the
> inboard
> > > side
> > > > > of the fairing. Once the inboard side of the fairing begins to
> > > move
> > > > > around it has a 5 inch lever arm (U-1004B) from the outboard
> > > fairing
> > > > > attachment point that works the AN4 bolt and will shear it
> at the
> > > cotter
> > > > > pin hole. Looking at the sheared bolt endwise the
> structural area
> > > is
> > > > > very small after the cotter hole is drilled and the thread
> depths
> > > are
> > > > > subtracted.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Two items need to be redesigned. The three bolts thru U-1010L
> > > cannot be
> > > > > tightened because the tension simply crushes the aluminum
> > > spacers. The
> > > > > spacers need to be steel and the joint tightened. I don't
> > > have a lathe
> > > >
> > > > > but do have lots of 4130 tubing .5" OD by .375 ID. I cleaned
> > > the
> > > > inside
> > > > > of the tube with a .375" ream and pressed the aluminum
> > > spacer inside.
> > > >
> > > > > Added a washer between the spacer and the U-1010L and
> tightened
> > > it
> > > > > properly. Now it is much stiffer.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Beefing up the AN4 at the axel nut required much more work. If
> > > you only
> > > > > have a hammer then you use a hammer to fix all problems. I
> > > created a
> > > > > weldment with a TIG welder but a lathe is the better tool.
> I used
> > > the
> > > > > same steel .5"OD by .375"ID tubing and constructed a
> > > standoff
> > > > with an
> > > > > AN5 stud on one end and an AN4 nut on the other. Drilled
> out the
> > > axel
> > > > > nut for the AN5 and placed the AN5 nut on the inside of the
> axel
> > > nut.
> > > > > Make sure you have clearance when the big cotter pin is
> inserted
> > > thru
> > > > > the axel nut. I am sure there are many more clever
> approaches but
> > > this
> > > > > will work.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW there were several flight test engineers at our camp that
> > > encouraged
> > > > > me to fly home from Idaho with one MLG fairing on and the
> other
> > > off.
> > > > > This would be more convenient as my RV-10 was stuffed full of
> > > camping
> > > > > equipment and there was no room for another MLG fairing. I
> duct
> > > taped
> > > > > the leg fairings in place and took off. They were right. At
> > > cruise the
> > > > > cost was 8 mph and 1/4 bubble of rudder. No handling
> difference.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill DeRouchey
> > > > >
> > > > > N939SB, flying
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:55:28 AM PST US
> > From: Neil & Sarah Colliver <ncol@xtra.co.nz>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > Anotherone for the database thnen.
> >
> > Ours came in at 1699lbs. On the heavy side, but it did include
> > everything apart from fuel.
> >
> > We also had a heavy paint job, with primer, base, airbrush & 2 coats
> > clear. It also included oil, & spare 1 quart, 1st aid kit, tie
> downs,
> > AIP's. The only thing we forgot to include was the canopy cover
> which
> > we didn't have at the time.
> > We have a fairly full panel with HF radio, & lightning. Also Tip
> > tanks. So not too bad considering. But no air con.
> >
> > Neil & Sarah
> > ZK-RVT
> >
> > On 21/07/2008, at 2:06 AM, John Cox wrote:.
> >
> > >
> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in
> > > on finished weight.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com
> > > ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> > > RV-10's in it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying
> > > and hasn't entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great
> > > resource and the more data the better.
> > >
> > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com
> > > ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > -10 List,
> > > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the
> > > web? Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> > > Ok, ok, it's not that bad....
> > >
> > > Robin
> > > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Neil Colliver
> > Hometime Ltd
> > 247 Parewanui Road
> > RD1
> > Bulls
> >
> > Tel 06 322 0294
> > 027 322 0264
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:45:50 PM PST US
> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
> >
> >
> > Before you do that, add me to the end of the list, I am coming up
> on the
> > canopy and can use it now
> > Whoever is last let me know who that is and I'll send my information
> > off-list.
> > Thanks Lew and John.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:53 AM
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
> >
> > >
> > > Hey Thane,
> > >
> > > I sent you an email to the effect that I have been unsuccessful in
> > > contacting Eric Gohr -- the last person it was sent to. In case
> there is
> > > a problem with the email, I have found a phone number and I
> will try to
> > > call him today. Maybe at OSH? If anyone has contact with him,
> let me
> > > know.
> > >
> > > By the way, I haven't heard from John Ackerman - the parent of the
> > > countersink - so that I can eventually get it back to you.
> > >
> > > Later, - Lew
> > >
> > > --------
> > > non-pilot
> > > crazy about building
> > > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> > > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193762#193762
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:59:11 PM PST US
> > From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> > I'll second the comment on using a drill press and tube holder. I
> > didn't clamp it down (which would be best) but it easily allows a
> > squarely drilled hole to be made.
> >
> > Carl Froehlich wrote:
> > >
> > > One comment, always drill round tubes and such with a drill
> press and
> > > a tube holder. I made a tube holder out of a piece of 2"x6",
> making
> > > two 45 degree cuts to make a 'V' using a radial arm saw. The tube
> > > sits in the 'V'. I added a couple of bolts to hold the jig onto
> the
> > > drill press so that the drill bit was in the exact center of
> the 'V'.
> > > You can buy an aluminum one from Harbor freight cheap enough as
> well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Be careful not to put too much pressure on the drill bit or it
> will
> > > wander off center.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Carl Froehlich
> > >
> > > RV-8A (450 hrs)
> > >
> > > RV-10 (fuselage)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Les Kearney
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 20, 2008 1:17 PM
> > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > *Subject:* RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am glad that I am not the only one who has had the same problem.
> > > Misery loves company as the saying goes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Knowing that I am going to call the House of Van's for more parts
> > > tomorrow, I decided to do a little experimenting. I will pas
> this on
> > > so others can learn from my mistakes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * Riveting tubes can be a b^&ch
> > > * When drilling the holes in the tube, it is important to go down
> > > the exact centerline of the tube. Being even a little off center
> > > will cause problems with riveting (slumping). If even slightly
> > > off center, the rivet head will conform to the radius of the
> > > tube and you will then be riveting off center.
> > > * Drilling a pilot all the way through then re-drilling with the
> > > rod end installed can cause the bottom hole to be a bit off
> > > center (elongated) if not drilled exactly down the centerline.
> > > (Dos anyone have any ideas why Van's calls for pilots first and
> > > then final drilling through the rod ends? It seems like this
> > > makes the whole process a bit riskier).
> > > * I found that installing the rod ends could be deceptively
> > > difficult. What I did on my "test" pieces was:
> > > o install the first rod end (which was very tight)
> > > o drilled a pilot through the whole assembly
> > > o drilled the final #30 hole through the whole assembly
> > > o cleaned out the chips in the tube and deburred the
> > > exterior holes
> > > o back riveted the end on (as suggested by Carl & Dave)
> > > o repeated for the next hole
> > > o primed the interior of the tube
> > > o Installed the second rod end and drilled as above
> > > o Deburred and riveted
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * I would have liked to deburr the interior side of rod end holes
> > > but they were just too tight to get off without damaging the
> > > assembly. Anyway, I can't see how the interior burrs and chips
> > > would be a factor (is this a reasonable assumption?).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave's comment about going slow is absolutely essential. A
> series of
> > > very light tabs is all that is required. To fast and you will be
> > > adding to your scrap bin. Drilling out slumped rivets was
> beyond my
> > > ability.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In retrospect, I think a second set of eyes to help keep things
> square
> > > would be very useful. I was working solo which was probably
> part of my
> > > problem as parts orientation is critical when drilling and
> riveting a
> > > tube.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Comments on the above would be appreciated as it will be a while
> > > before I get my replacement parts.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > BTW, anybody need some slightly undersized rod end tubing?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > > #40643 -- happily turning parts into scrap
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > >
> > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Dave Leikam
> > > *Sent:* July-20-08 8:15 AM
> > > *To:* rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the
> rod with
> > > the rivet, shop side down squarely over the flat anvil of my bench
> > > vise and used my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow. Worked
> > > well. Squeezer didn't. I think the problem /is/ that the rod is
> > > hollow and does not support the rivet shank inside.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dave Leikam
> > > RV-10 #40496
> > > N89DA (Reserved)
> > > Muskego, WI
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * *
> > > * *
> > > * *
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List*
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > *http://forums.matronics.com*
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > **
> > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*
> > > **
> > > * *
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:26:22 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >
> >
> > 1699 in my database. The paint job is worth every pound. the canopy
> > cover is removable so it's part of the useful load component.
> >
> > JC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neil &
> Sarah
> > Colliver
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > Hi John
> >
> > Anotherone for the database thnen.
> >
> > Ours came in at 1699lbs. On the heavy side, but it did include
> > everything apart from fuel.
> >
> > We also had a heavy paint job, with primer, base, airbrush & 2 coats
> > clear. It also included oil, & spare 1 quart, 1st aid kit, tie
> downs,
> > AIP's. The only thing we forgot to include was the canopy cover
> which
> > we didn't have at the time.
> > We have a fairly full panel with HF radio, & lightning. Also Tip
> > tanks. So not too bad considering. But no air con.
> >
> > Neil & Sarah
> > ZK-RVT
> >
> > On 21/07/2008, at 2:06 AM, John Cox wrote:.
> >
> > >
> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting in
> > > on finished weight.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > ] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > <rvbuilder@sausen.net
> > > >
> > >
> > > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> > > RV-10's in it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying
> > > and hasn't entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great
> > > resource and the more data the better.
> > >
> > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > ] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > -10 List,
> > > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the
> > > web? Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> > > Ok, ok, it's not that bad....
> > >
> > > Robin
> > > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Neil Colliver
> > Hometime Ltd
> > 247 Parewanui Road
> > RD1
> > Bulls
> >
> > Tel 06 322 0294
> > 027 322 0264
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:26:22 PM PST US
> > From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Back seats
> >
> > I am making the rear seats for my QB fuse. Half the hinges were
> > fabricated and installed on the floors. Are the matching halves
> in the
> > kit somewhere or do I make them from supplied hinge stock? (Can't
> find
> > matching halves.)
> >
> > Anyone? Anyone?
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > RV-10 #40496
> > N89DA (Reserved)
> > Muskego, WI
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 03:55:33 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> > From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
> >
> > A little late on this thread, but for those who are yet to get to
> making
> > the pushrods - I used a similar back riveting technique. But I
> placed
> > the universal rivet set in a vice, placed the manufactured head
> into the
> > cup of the set, and then used the backrivet set to shoot the shop
> head.
> > A bit tricky for one person, but it can be done without too much
> hassle.
> > A squeezer simply would not work for me with these rivets either.
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> > Ron
> > 187, paint prep
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
> Leikam
> > Sent: Sunday, 20 July 2008 11:45 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@% Rivets
> >
> >
> > I experienced the same problem on the same parts. I held the
> > rod with the rivet, shop side down squarely over the flat anvil
> of my
> > bench vise and used my rivet gun with the proper set. Go slow.
> Worked
> > well. Squeezer didn't. I think the problem is that the rod is hollow
> > and does not support the rivet shank inside.
> >
> > Dave Leikam
> > RV-10 #40496
> > N89DA (Reserved)
> > Muskego, WI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Les Kearney <mailto:kearney@shaw.ca>
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 12:13 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%
> > Rivets
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll see you at Whitman...
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
> > Sent: July-19-08 7:49 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%
> > Rivets
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a Cherry Max depth gauge for you which is used to
> > size the grip measurement and confirm correct rivet length for
> any job.
> > I will send you one if you send me your address.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J. is correct, in many locations the AN bolt,
> > fastener or rivet is incorrect on the company plans. By the time you
> > are out of parts, you will be able to read the correct length and
> make
> > certain they comply with the guidelines of the AC 43.13. If your
> DAR is
> > any good, he might point out the error of the lengths during the
> > paperwork review (oh yeh, Canadians don't use DARs). Boy is Rob's
> new
> > prop exciting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scrapes, bruises and torn knuckles getting the Warbird
> > ready for the flight next week. Aurora to Missoula to Glendive,
> MT (on
> > Thursday) then West Bend, WI (on Friday) with final arrival at
> the big
> > one (on Sunday). Bringing a few cases of cold ones for Tim and Bob,
> > Mike and the stakeout gang.
> >
> >
> >
> > Without an address, I will bring the gauge direct to RV
> > Central at OSH. There is nothing like a Wisconsin summer.
> >
> >
> >
> > John C.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Jessen
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 5:38 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%
> > Rivets
> >
> >
> >
> > Les, are the rivets trying to tell you something? JC
> > would wonder if they were too long to begin with. Many rivets called
> > out in the plans are either too short or too long. Up to us to
> > determine proper size. Rivet cutters are cheap.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just musing.
> >
> >
> >
> > John J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
> Kearney
> > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:49 PM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV10-List: Squeezing some *&^%*%*&%#@%
> > Rivets
> >
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems like in every major section of the -10
> > construction, I hit something that causes me no end of grief.
> This time
> > it is the rod ends for wings. After trashing one set due to a
> > measurement error (duh!), I made another perfect set after getting
> > replacement tubes from Van's. This time when riveting with the
> > AN470AD4-11 rivets, the rivets seemed to slump to one side. How
> does one
> > squeeze these rivets without slumping? Part of the problem may be
> the
> > size of the rivets I am trying to squeeze - the -11 rivets are
> just a
> > bit to long for my pneumatic squeezer jaws so I have to work at
> getting
> > them to come down. I also wonder if the hollow tube affects how the
> > rivets squeeze.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there some magic trick I am missing?
> >
> >
> >
> > Inquiring minds need to know...
> >
> >
> >
> > Les Kearney
> >
> > #40643 - QB wings, fuse, electrical whatever
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://
> www.matronics
> > .com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >
> > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://
> www.matronics.com/c
> >
> >
> >
> > "Warning:
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> >
> > ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 04:24:38 PM PST US
> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Steve;
> > I'll increase my bid to $300
> > Thanks!
> > Pascal
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the bid, you make a good point. lets just run this
> till, say,
> > > 9:00 Sunday night eastern time.
> > > Should be plenty of time to ponder without dragging it out...
> > > steve
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:37 AM
> > > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Steve;
> > >> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this, wish I
> could share of
> > >> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.
> > >> Do you have a end of auction time/date?
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> To start I bid $200
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:36 PM
> > >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>
> > >>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey guys,
> > >>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in
> organizing
> > >>> and securing the sites at osh, and I for one am very
> grateful, for
> > >>> without
> > >>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know they've
> invested a lot
> > >>> of
> > >>> their time and money. I'd like to offer up a set of flush
> billet door
> > >>> handles for "auction" to the highest bidder with the proceeds
> going
> > >>> toward
> > >>> the osh fund (which they can use at their discretion). We
> need to try to
> > >>> pay
> > >>> for a common camp site, food, pop, beer,etc. so even if your not
> > >>> camping
> > >>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for
> the handles
> > >>> and
> > >>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence, tell your
> other half
> > >>> "its
> > >>> for a good cause". Lets start off at 100.00$
> > >>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve dinieri
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 04:26:31 PM PST US
> > From: "Chris, Susie, Darcy" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > VH-ICY 1624 pounds
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting
> in on
> > > finished weight.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
> Builder
> > > (Michael Sausen)
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> RV-10's in
> > > it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't
> > > entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great resource
> and the
> > > more data the better.
> > >
> > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robin Marks
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > -10 List,
> > > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web?
> > > Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> Ok, ok, it's
> > > not that bad....
> > >
> > > Robin
> > > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 16
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 04:50:31 PM PST US
> > From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'll bump it up to $320.
> >
> > Bruce Snyder
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Steve;
> > I'll increase my bid to $300
> > Thanks!
> > Pascal
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the bid, you make a good point. lets just run this
> till, say,
> > > 9:00 Sunday night eastern time.
> > > Should be plenty of time to ponder without dragging it out...
> > > steve
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:37 AM
> > > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Steve;
> > >> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this, wish I
> could share of
> >
> > >> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.
> > >> Do you have a end of auction time/date?
> > >> Thanks!
> > >>
> > >> To start I bid $200
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:36 PM
> > >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>
> > >>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hey guys,
> > >>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in
> organizing
> > >>> and securing the sites at osh, and I for one am very
> grateful, for
> > >>> without
> > >>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know they've
> invested a lot
> >
> > >>> of
> > >>> their time and money. I'd like to offer up a set of flush
> billet door
> > >>> handles for "auction" to the highest bidder with the proceeds
> going
> > >>> toward
> > >>> the osh fund (which they can use at their discretion). We
> need to try to
> >
> > >>> pay
> > >>> for a common camp site, food, pop, beer,etc. so even if your not
> > >>> camping
> > >>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for
> the handles
> > >>> and
> > >>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence, tell your
> other half
> > >>> "its
> > >>> for a good cause". Lets start off at 100.00$
> > >>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve dinieri
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 17
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:01:58 PM PST US
> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > let's make this fun! since it is for a good cause!
> > $340
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:45 PM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> > > <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > >
> > > I'll bump it up to $320.
> > >
> > > Bruce Snyder
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:20 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve;
> > > I'll increase my bid to $300
> > > Thanks!
> > > Pascal
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:44 AM
> > > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the bid, you make a good point. lets just run this
> till, say,
> > >> 9:00 Sunday night eastern time.
> > >> Should be plenty of time to ponder without dragging it out...
> > >> steve
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:37 AM
> > >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Steve;
> > >>> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this, wish I
> could share
> > >>> of
> > >
> > >>> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.
> > >>> Do you have a end of auction time/date?
> > >>> Thanks!
> > >>>
> > >>> To start I bid $200
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------
> > >>> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:36 PM
> > >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >>> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>>
> > >>>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hey guys,
> > >>>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in
> organizing
> > >>>> and securing the sites at osh, and I for one am very
> grateful, for
> > >>>> without
> > >>>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know they've
> invested a
> > >>>> lot
> > >
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> their time and money. I'd like to offer up a set of flush
> billet door
> > >>>> handles for "auction" to the highest bidder with the
> proceeds going
> > >>>> toward
> > >>>> the osh fund (which they can use at their discretion). We
> need to try
> > >>>> to
> > >
> > >>>> pay
> > >>>> for a common camp site, food, pop, beer,etc. so even if your
> not
> > >>>> camping
> > >>>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for
> the handles
> > >>>> and
> > >>>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence, tell your
> other half
> > >>>> "its
> > >>>> for a good cause". Lets start off at 100.00$
> > >>>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Steve dinieri
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 18
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:02:52 PM PST US
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > From: "rleffler" <rvmail@thelefflers.com>
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'll bid $350.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Leffler
> > N410BL - Wings
> > RV-10 #40684
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194035#194035
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 19
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:36:27 PM PST US
> > From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Dang snipers! :D
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:58 PM
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'll bid $350.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Leffler
> > N410BL - Wings
> > RV-10 #40684
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194035#194035
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 20
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:37:25 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> >
> >
> > My database showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.
> >
> > John Cox
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-
> list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris, Susie, Darcy
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > VH-ICY 1624 pounds
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting
> in on
> > > finished weight.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
> Builder
> > > (Michael Sausen)
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> RV-10's in
> > > it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't
> > > entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great resource
> and the
> > > more data the better.
> > >
> > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robin Marks
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > -10 List,
> > > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web?
> > > Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> Ok, ok, it's
> > > not that bad....
> > >
> > > Robin
> > > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 21
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:46:27 PM PST US
> > From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > great, thanks all
> > if there's no major objections, lets run this out until tomorrow
> night 9
> > pm. we're on a roll . Bruce was the winner at 9 tonight, but I'll
> agree to
> > sell him a set at his auction price so we can continue till
> tomrrow and
> > round up a few more bucks for the HQ.
> > steve
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> > >
> > > let's make this fun! since it is for a good cause!
> > > $340
> > >
> > > Pascal
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Bruce Snyder" <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:45 PM
> > > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >
> > >> <snyderbd888@sbcglobal.net>
> > >>
> > >> Steve,
> > >>
> > >> I'll bump it up to $320.
> > >>
> > >> Bruce Snyder
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> > >> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 7:20 PM
> > >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Steve;
> > >> I'll increase my bid to $300
> > >> Thanks!
> > >> Pascal
> > >>
> > >> --------------------------------------------------
> > >> From: "Steven DiNieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:44 AM
> > >> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>
> > >>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks for the bid, you make a good point. lets just run this
> till,
> > >>> say,
> > >>> 9:00 Sunday night eastern time.
> > >>> Should be plenty of time to ponder without dragging it out...
> > >>> steve
> > >>>
> > >>> --------------------------------------------------
> > >>> From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:37 AM
> > >>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Steve;
> > >>>> This is a great offer and I appreciate seeing this, wish I
> could share
> > >>>> of
> > >>
> > >>>> the camaraderie that will once again happen at OSH.
> > >>>> Do you have a end of auction time/date?
> > >>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To start I bid $200
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> From: "steven dinieri" <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:36 PM
> > >>>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > >>>> Subject: RV10-List: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> <capsteve@iflyrv10.com>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hey guys,
> > >>>>> Tim and bob have been both taken on a predominant role in
> organizing
> > >>>>> and securing the sites at osh, and I for one am very
> grateful, for
> > >>>>> without
> > >>>>> their effort I'd be camping in the woods:) I know they've
> invested a
> > >>>>> lot
> > >>
> > >>>>> of
> > >>>>> their time and money. I'd like to offer up a set of flush
> billet door
> > >>>>> handles for "auction" to the highest bidder with the
> proceeds going
> > >>>>> toward
> > >>>>> the osh fund (which they can use at their discretion). We
> need to try
> > >>>>> to
> > >>
> > >>>>> pay
> > >>>>> for a common camp site, food, pop, beer,etc. so even if
> your not
> > >>>>> camping
> > >>>>> (and all are welcome to visit) feel free to post a bid for
> the handles
> > >>>>> and
> > >>>>> the highest bidder wins. So if your on the fence, tell your
> other half
> > >>>>> "its
> > >>>>> for a good cause". Lets start off at 100.00$
> > >>>>> You can see the handles @ Iflyrv10.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Steve dinieri
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 22
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:46:29 PM PST US
> > Subject: RV10-List: RV-10 HQ Group 2
> > From: "bcondrey" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
> >
> >
> > Gary and I are on site for the duration and have "tentatively"
> staked out group
> > 2. We are a contiguous block 2 rows west of Group 1 at 55th and
> Lindbergh in
> > Camp Scholler. There were sites closer however there was heavy
> rain last night
> > and a lot of standing water/mud/etc. Gary (he got here first)
> wisely chose
> > the high ground! I will post more later, but a few notes of
> interest:
> > - Crowd actually appears down a bit from last year. Gary and I
> commandeered 3
> > wood picnic tables for use in the HQ area. This would have been
> unheard of in
> > prior years. We also have a couple of smaller, regular tables for
> use.
> > - mosquitoes are BAD in the late evening. Bring your bug spray
> and be prepared
> > to do battle. Brenda had a citronella candle that may have been
> effective.
> > - WiFi is not yet functional. There is good RF signal strength
> and I can "see"
> > at least a half dozen access points however no actual Internet
> connection results
> > yet.
> > - We have Gary's motor home oriented to provide shade for
> afternoon gatherings.
> > Additionally, we have 2 10x10 canopies that we'll set up over the
> tables tomorrow.
> > - Susan acquired an industrial coffee maker at a garage sale and
> brought it along.
> > Assuming it works, we'll have coffee in the AM for those that
> don't want
> > to make the walk over to the camp store!
> >
> > I will send pictures and GPS coordinates tomorrow.
> >
> > Bob (and Susan, Gary, and Brenda)
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194051#194051
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 23
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:56:51 PM PST US
> > Subject: RV10-List: Gross weight
> > From: "lbgjb10" <lbgjb@gnt.net>
> >
> >
> > I noticed that some RV10 use a higher GW than Vans. What are the
> pros/cons.
> > thanks. larry
> >
> > --------
> > Larry and Gayle N104LG
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194055#194055
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 24
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:07:48 PM PST US
> > From: "Rene" <rene@felker.com>
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > Well, today was my final weight day. I have almost everything
> installed.
> > All I have left is a little bit of headliner and a little paint
> in the
> > interior. Weight today, 1698, at 109.22.
> >
> > Rene'
> > 801-721-6080
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> >
> > My database showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.
> >
> > John Cox
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris,
> Susie,
> > Darcy
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > VH-ICY 1624 pounds
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:06 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > >
> > > 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting
> in on
> > > finished weight.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
> Builder
> > > (Michael Sausen)
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > > <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >
> > > Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> RV-10's in
> >
> > > it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and hasn't
> > > entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great resource
> and the
> > > more data the better.
> > >
> > > http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robin Marks
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > -10 List,
> > > Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web?
> > > Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> Ok, ok, it's
> >
> > > not that bad....
> > >
> > > Robin
> > > Well... it's getting weighed...
> > > Do Not Archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 25
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:11:02 PM PST US
> > From: "Chris, Susie, Darcy" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > Yes as I have added the tow bar to a fixed point in the baggage area
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:32 PM
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> >
> >
> > >
> > > My database showed an earlier post at 1621. I will change it.
> > >
> > > John Cox
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Chris, Susie,
> > > Darcy
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 4:22 PM
> > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > > VH-ICY 1624 pounds
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> > > To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 12:06 AM
> > > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> 27 are in my database. That leaves well over 120 not reporting
> in on
> > >> finished weight.
> > >>
> > >> John Cox
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV
> Builder
> > >> (Michael Sausen)
> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:07 PM
> > >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >>
> > >> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
> > >>
> > >> Checkoway has a W&B database on his site. Looks like he has 11
> RV-10's
> > >> in
> > >> it at the moment. I recommend that anyone the is flying and
> hasn't
> > >> entered their weight into this to do so. It's a great resource
> and the
> > >> more data the better.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.rvproject.com/wab/
> > >>
> > >> Michael
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robin Marks
> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:49 PM
> > >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > >> Subject: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -10 List,
> > >> Is there a record of flying RV-10's weights anyplace on the web?
> > >> Should I be 30# over Max Gross weight before fluids or paint?
> Ok, ok,
> > >> it's
> > >> not that bad....
> > >>
> > >> Robin
> > >> Well... it's getting weighed...
> > >> Do Not Archive
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 26
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:19:57 PM PST US
> > From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video
> >
> > For anyone who is into radio controlled, this is a pretty cool
> video of
> > the B-29 with the X-1.
> > http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv
> > This aircraft runs on four chain saw motors. You can just imagine
> how
> > much time, effort, skill and money these guys have put into this
> thing.
> > Made me think of us builders with our RV-10, not that anyone has
> > mentioned putting a chain saw engine in their planes .. yet ..
> but the
> > time, skill, effort and money does indeed apply to us.
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 27
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:36:10 PM PST US
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Elevator Trim Bracket Mod?
> > From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> >
> >
> > great idea. have any pictures
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194067#194067
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 28
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:51:22 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> > From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> >
> >
> > Wow, this is getting exciting... I am thinking of donating my door
> > handles and they are already installed & doors fitted. Anything for
> > charity.
> > Thanks for all the campsite updates. I am looking forward to meeting
> > everyone a week from Monday.
> >
> > Robin
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rleffler
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:58 PM
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: RV10-List : rv10 hq donation
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> >
> > I'll bid $350.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > --------
> > Bob Leffler
> > N410BL - Wings
> > RV-10 #40684
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194035#194035
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 29
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 09:58:48 PM PST US
> > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Flying RV-10 Weight
> > From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
> >
> >
> > Regarding weight mine is going to come in as "portly" due to a
> lot of extras. We
> > are at ~1625 before paint and partial interior. In our defense we
> have the OH
> > console, O2, Leather, dual 12V to 24V Comm voltage converters
> (heavy), balanced
> > wheel pants, double DVD players and the list keeps growing.
> > My question has to do with weight left to right. I placed the O2
> system right of
> > centerline and the wing servos in the right wing expecting my
> generous proportions
> > would be PIC. But the empty weight was 20# greater on the left
> wheel than
> > the right. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Robin
> > Travel Plans:
> > San Luis Obispo, LA, Chicago, Arkansas, Chicago, OSH, Kohler,
> Chicago, LA, San
> > Luis Obispo, LA.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 30
> ____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:07:31 PM PST US
> > From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video
> >
> > Now they should simulate dropping a nuke.
> >
> > do not archive
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: pascal
> > To: rv10-list
> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:13 PM
> > Subject: RV10-List: Fw: non Rv-10 related- radio control video
> >
> >
> > For anyone who is into radio controlled, this is a pretty cool video
> > of the B-29 with the X-1.
> > http://users.skynet.be/fa926657/files/B29.wmv
> > This aircraft runs on four chain saw motors. You can just imagine
> > how much time, effort, skill and money these guys have put into this
> > thing.
> > Made me think of us builders with our RV-10, not that anyone has
> > mentioned putting a chain saw engine in their planes .. yet ..
> but the
> > time, skill, effort and money does indeed apply to us.
> >
> > Pascal
> >
> >
> >
> >===============
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion |
Hi,
That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it ...??
Jan
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: 21 July 2008 22:34
Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Saylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 July 2008
22:34<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Lancair Mailing
List';
rv10-list@matronics.com; <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RV-List: Andair
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice
little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The
pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy
that started flying
in 2003. It has about 500 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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bowl
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The
outside looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole
comes
through.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion - Fuel tank corrosion |
Makes me think ...Have anyone experience corrosion in the fuel tank on a RV
.... Assuming they have not used Alodine before assembling it with "Pro
Seal" ... Maybe not an issue in hot and dry climates ... but in humid
climates... ??
Jan
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jan
Sent: 22 July 2008 22:17
Subject: RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Hi,
That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it ...??
Jan
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: 21 July 2008 22:34
Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Makes me think …Have anyone
experience corrosion in the fuel tank on a RV …. Assuming they
have not
used Alodine before assembling it with “Pro Seal” …
Maybe not
an issue in hot and dry climates … but in humid climates…
??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>jan<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 July 2008
22:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>;
'Lancair Mailing List'; rv10-list@matronics.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: RV-List:
Andair
Corrosion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That looks bad .. Have you been in
contact
with Andair about it …??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jan<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Saylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 July 2008
22:34<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Lancair Mailing
List'; rv10-list@matronics.com;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RV-List: Andair
Corrosion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice
little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The
pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy
that started flying
in 2003. It has about 500 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the
bowl
had a small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started.
The
outside looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole
comes
through.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Check carefully!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dave Saylor</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>AirCrafters LLC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
w:st="on"><font size=3
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>140
Aviation Way</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font
size=3
face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Watsonville</span></font></
st1:City><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">CA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>831-722-9141</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>831-750-0284 CL</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>www.AirCraftersLLC.com</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Nope, the plane is flying too much to take it down long enough. Looks like
I get to show it off next week :-(
Dave
Do not archive
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Westfall
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Window Trouble
Dave,
Have you replaced/removed the window yet? How did the silpruf work out?
-Ben
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Window Trouble
Last week we bought a canopy cover from Van's. We used it in Eastern Oregon
a few days later, and when the plane got back to Watsonville, we found the
left rear window had gotten hot enough to distort pretty severly. Bummer.
In the picture, the reflection of the hangar in the door window is how it
should look. The back window is toasted.
I know that the polished wings sometimes reflect back towards the fuselage,
but I had no idea that the heat could be so intense. I think the cover may
have helped trap the heat, but I don't have any proof. The factory seems to
think it would have been worse without it. They talked about a polished
RV-4 that melted its canopy once. But ours has been outside for almost a
year now in some pretty hot, sunny climates without any issues, until the
cover went on.
As a bit of trivia, I just checked and found that the upper wing surface aft
of the spar is slightly concave, unlike an RV-6 we have in the hangar, which
is convex. With the flaps fully retracted, the concavity is more
pronounced. Now if I could just harness all that solar-collecting power...
Now I get to see just how easy that Sil-Pruf comes off.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion |
I've seen this many times on certified aircraft, it source is water in
the fuel.
jan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it ??
>
> Jan
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave Saylor
> *Sent:* 21 July 2008 22:34
> *To:* 'Lancair Mailing List'; rv10-list@matronics.com;
> rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RV-List: Andair Corrosion
>
> Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
> nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot
> was complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started
> flying in 2003. It has about 500 hours.
>
> Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl
> had a small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The
> outside looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole
> comes through.
>
> Check carefully!
>
> Dave Saylor
>
> AirCrafters LLC
>
> 140 Aviation Way
>
> Watsonville, CA
>
> 831-722-9141
>
> 831-750-0284 CL
>
> www.AirCraftersLLC.com
>
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>
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