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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? (AirMike)
2. 12:36 AM - Re: Weld on (AirMike)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Weld on (Tim Olson)
4. 04:27 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (Tim Olson)
5. 05:19 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (Lew Gallagher)
6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Sb 08-6-1 ()
7. 10:10 AM - Movement of Fuel Sender ? (John Hurst)
8. 10:33 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? ()
9. 10:34 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? ()
10. 10:38 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (Ralph E. Capen)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (PJ Seipel)
12. 10:56 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (dherring10)
13. 11:52 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (John Hurst)
14. 12:06 PM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (pascal)
15. 12:10 PM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (pascal)
16. 12:40 PM - Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (bcondrey)
17. 12:41 PM - Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? (John Kirkland)
18. 03:45 PM - RV10 project for sale (plevenda@jvlv.lv)
19. 04:02 PM - Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Phil White)
20. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Don McDonald)
21. 07:10 PM - Re: Leak Proofing the Fuel Sender (Patrick Pulis)
22. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
23. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Ouch (EFDsteve@AOL.COM)
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| Subject: | Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? |
John Goodman has it correct. Bolt or 470-AD5-x rivets. Spruce sells some of the
#5 rivets - I bought a few (470-AD-5-6 ) and the #5 set to fix the buggered holes
in my SB work. About 10-12 bucks - not too bad to set. I used the same 60#
of air pressure that I used on the #4 rivets and whacked a few extra times.
I think that we hit it 12-15 times. We sill screwed up one mfg head, but decided
not to drill it out as it is soooo much stronger than the #4. Cheap piece of
mind.
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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If exposed to sunlight, might the black toner possibly overheat the plexi causing
problems similar to Dave's
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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The toner is just used to tint the epoxy so the inside is dark and
it looks good. On the outside, you paint over that area, and
most RV-10's are a light color....just for heat reasons.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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AirMike wrote:
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> If exposed to sunlight, might the black toner possibly overheat the
> plexi causing problems similar to Dave's
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> -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit -
> exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! |
Just uploaded the latest photos....22 RV-10's now on field.
And, added additional photos to past days that I got from
Scott.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html
It's finally show day, but it feels like the show's
already started for us!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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> More updates from the last 2 days:
> http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html
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> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! |
Hey Tim,
We're trying to decide about paint schemes, so this is great timing! Beautiful
jobs, great pics, next best thing to being there.
Thanks, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
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the hardest part of this SB is just picking up the wrenches and knowing you are
going to spend several hours removing parts that you THOUGHT were on for the
long haul.
The actual installation of the doubler is not difficult or that time consuming.
But in the end I know I have a stronger airframe than I had. Very comforting.
Now I won't worry about my passengers safety.
Jim C
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From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1
With all due respect, I know I have to do the SB, and I will, but if the empennage
is that inclined to come off this airplane without those two small pieces
of aluminum installed, I wouldn't fly it after they were installed!
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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----- Original Message -----
From: McGANN, Ron
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1
I prefer to remove the empennage myself, in the hangar - rather than have it
do so on its own, at 10000'.
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 8:22 AM
To: RV-10 matronics
Subject: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1
What if I never do the SB on the tailcone of my plane?
Fire away!
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount
of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an
extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up
properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal?
or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket?
My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm
secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of
motion is.
john
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
Be very careful when bending the end. You will need to make a right and left part.
The instructions are not really clear on this point. Also make sure you
are installing the arms in the proper sender. They too are numbered for Left
/ Right.
Jim C
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From: John Hurst <johnh38@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ?
I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount
of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an
extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up
properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal?
or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket?
My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm
secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of
motion is.
john
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
The metal arm at the sender end of the float should have a bend in it. The bend
goes through the hole in the base of the plastic arm to prevent the swivel as
you have described it.
It would appear you have cut the arm a little short at this point.
Jim C
40192 - Finishing
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From: John Hurst <johnh38@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ?
I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount
of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an
extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up
properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal?
or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket?
My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm
secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of
motion is.
john
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
John,
With the last bend going through the sender, it shouldn't rotate at all. You shouldn't
need anything to keep it in place without rotating. It looks like you
have it in past where the clips engage so I think that part is OK - but it shouldn't
rotate - not nohow, not noway as the saying goes.
I bought a spare access panel and cut out a part of it so I could see inside to
make sure the float ranges line up correctly. I was able to put the 1/8" spacer
under the float and see where it barely touches - then turn the entire mess
upside down for the full range. This also allowed me to determine that the float
was catching on one of the reinforcing angles inside - so I could turn it
around...
I don't know the part number in a -10 and it may be the same as for my 6A. If you
have QB-type tanks - there's no easy way to line them up.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Hurst <johnh38@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jul 28, 2008 1:07 PM
>To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ?
>
>I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount
of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an
extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up
properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal?
or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket?
My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm
secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
>
>I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range
of motion is.
>
>john
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the
float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the
hole in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already
cut it short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
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John Hurst wrote:
> I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with
> the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides
> in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned
> the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely
> around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure
> and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I
> add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the
> bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
>
> I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the
> floats range of motion is.
>
> john
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! |
Tim,
Thanks for the updates and pictures, wish I was there to go flying with you and
Scott like we did last year. Lana and I have been moving to a new house so that
has put a damper on my flying and building for the last few weeks. Keep the
updates coming and tell Scott that if he will hold his mouth differently while
he is playing Guitar Hero he will probably do better. Ha!
Keep having fun for all of us.
Dwayne Herring
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
Sure enough, I cut the piece too short. I see now where I need to have the end
piece bent at a 90 degree angle to prevent the swivel. Thanks for all the quick
responses. You guys are great. If only the instructions had been a little
clearer.
john
Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the
float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the
hole in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already
cut it short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did.
PJ Seipel
RV-10 #40032
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John Hurst wrote:
> I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with
> the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides
> in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned
> the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely
> around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure
> and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I
> add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the
> bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation.
>
> I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the
> floats range of motion is.
>
> john
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
The issue is the 90 degree bend needs to have a longer arm to it. Forget
any other option, you'll need to assure the "L" actually is a L and not
an "I" with a little bend to it.
Pascal
From: John Hurst
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:07 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ?
I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with
the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides
in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned
the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around
the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have
no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small
amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See
photo for better visual explanation.
I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats
range of motion is.
john
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| Subject: | Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? |
Seems this is a "gotcha" for many builders. I might suggest it get added for
the "Wings/Section 18" list Tim maintains.
PJ covers it well.
Pascal
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From: "PJ Seipel" <seipel@seznam.cz>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ?
>
> Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the
> float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the hole
> in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already cut it
> short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did.
>
> PJ Seipel
> RV-10 #40032
> do not archive
>
> John Hurst wrote:
>> I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with
>> the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in)
>> There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the
>> float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the
>> bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no
>> movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small
>> amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo
>> for better visual explanation.
>>
>> I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats
>> range of motion is.
>>
>> john
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers |
We are going to have 2 more large cookouts up here at OSH. First will be Tues
evening and second will be Friday, both at 6:00 PM. Intent is simply to provide
a social environment for our like minded RV-10 group to get together, put faces
to names, make new friends and exchange ideas. Builders, "almost builders"
and others with an interest are welcome. There are also usually at least a
couple of vendors that show up so you can pick their brains.
We will take care of the logistics of getting the supplies, cooking, etc. As mentioned
before we have a large open area with picnic tables, chairs and shade
this year so it's a great way to end the day!
Many people have asked what they can do or bring. If you've got something you'd
like to share with the group, by all means bring it! The only thing we ask
is that you consider a contribution to help defray costs so that we can continue.
We'll have a basket out for those that would like to donate but no specific
amount is requested, just whatever you feel it's worth or would like to give.
I'm told that Tuesday night's menu will likely be brats and maybe hot dogs. Not
sure of side dishes, but there will also be plenty of cold drinks. Kids are
welcome and several people brought theirs camping this year.
We're still located at 55th & Lindbergh in Camp Scholler. 55th runs parallel to
Knapp St (main N/S street at Air Venture) and Lindbergh is just south of the
Hangar B gate.
If you're coming and not part of the camping group, please let me know so that
we can insure enough food and drink.
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? |
I was able to scrounge a small handfull of AN470AD5 from my local A&P at the airport
just for the asking. I just cut to the length I need.
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N540XP (reserved)
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| Subject: | RV10 project for sale |
They say all good things must come to an end. Im not sure I really believe that,
but my RV10 project must. Do to major changes in life I must release my project
to a new home. I have the empennage done with Vic style electric rudder trim,
and attached to the quick build fuselage, along with several interior components.
I have quick build wings with one wing rigged. In addition to the airframe
I have a finishing kit (minus the cowl, as I was going with a James cowl),
several misc. parts (strobe controller, ELT, antennas, wire, etc.), all of which
must go, even my tools.
The project is located at Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ.
Wont take the time or space to list everything or prices here, but if interested
please contact me offline at paulevenda@mac.com.
Thanks all and enjoy your projects!
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Paul Levenda
#40090
N974LV
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| Subject: | Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers |
Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyone has
extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd love to
be with the gang instead of in left field.
Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :)
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(windows+doors)
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| Subject: | Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers |
Bob, also arriving Wednesday.... commercial flight into Chicago at 0'dark 3
0, should be in Osh by noon.- Count us in for 4 on Friday.- Thanks
Don McDonald - #40636- Finishing the finishing.
--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Phil White <philwhite9@aol.com> wrote:
From: Phil White <philwhite9@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers
<philwhite9@aol.com>
Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyo
ne
has extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd
love to be with the gang instead of in left field.
Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :)
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(windows+doors)
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| Subject: | Leak Proofing the Fuel Sender |
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| Subject: | Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers |
Phil,
We just gave up the space at the end of our site tonight to somebody else that
didn't have reservations. Schedules seem to be changing daily, maybe somebody
will chime in.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com <owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com>
Sent: Mon Jul 28 15:59:31 2008
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers
Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyone has
extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd love to
be with the gang instead of in left field.
Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :)
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RV-10 #40220 in Downers Grove, IL
(windows+doors)
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This problem happened to me as well. The fix wasn't too bad.
The end of the fuel tank was bent in, and the end bulkhead was deformed to
the point that there was a gap between it and the skin. So I ordered a new
T-1003C from Van's, and I drilled out all of the rivets from the old, deformed
T-1003C. I then drilled a large hole in the center of it and began removing
it with a small vice grip pliers. The old bulkhead basically broke into
small pieces when I did this, but it eventually did all come out. I removed the
old pro-seal from the skin and the T-1005 bracket with a plastic scraper and
a serrated plastic knife and cleaned the surfaces with MEK.
When I received the new part, I traced it out on a piece of 2x4 and cut out
a piece of wood of the same shape. I inserted the wood into the fuel tank
and used it as a backer as I gently tapped the skin back into shape with a
hammer. I then removed the wood, applied a generous amount of pro-seal, and
riveted the new T-1003C in place.
Good luck. I thought at the time that I probably wasn't the only one that
would have this problem. Needed to clamp the wing spar to the wing cradle
better.
Steve Weinstock
40230 Fuse
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