---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/28/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:27 AM - Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? (AirMike) 2. 12:36 AM - Re: Weld on (AirMike) 3. 04:15 AM - Re: Re: Weld on (Tim Olson) 4. 04:27 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (Tim Olson) 5. 05:19 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (Lew Gallagher) 6. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: Sb 08-6-1 () 7. 10:10 AM - Movement of Fuel Sender ? (John Hurst) 8. 10:33 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? () 9. 10:34 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? () 10. 10:38 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (Ralph E. Capen) 11. 10:41 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (PJ Seipel) 12. 10:56 AM - Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! (dherring10) 13. 11:52 AM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (John Hurst) 14. 12:06 PM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (pascal) 15. 12:10 PM - Re: Movement of Fuel Sender ? (pascal) 16. 12:40 PM - Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (bcondrey) 17. 12:41 PM - Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? (John Kirkland) 18. 03:45 PM - RV10 project for sale (plevenda@jvlv.lv) 19. 04:02 PM - Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Phil White) 20. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Don McDonald) 21. 07:10 PM - Re: Leak Proofing the Fuel Sender (Patrick Pulis) 22. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers (Condrey, Bob (US SSA)) 23. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Ouch (EFDsteve@AOL.COM) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:20 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? From: "AirMike" John Goodman has it correct. Bolt or 470-AD5-x rivets. Spruce sells some of the #5 rivets - I bought a few (470-AD-5-6 ) and the #5 set to fix the buggered holes in my SB work. About 10-12 bucks - not too bad to set. I used the same 60# of air pressure that I used on the #4 rivets and whacked a few extra times. I think that we hit it 12-15 times. We sill screwed up one mfg head, but decided not to drill it out as it is soooo much stronger than the #4. Cheap piece of mind. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195315#195315 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:14 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Weld on From: "AirMike" If exposed to sunlight, might the black toner possibly overheat the plexi causing problems similar to Dave's -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195316#195316 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:26 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Weld on The toner is just used to tint the epoxy so the inside is dark and it looks good. On the outside, you paint over that area, and most RV-10's are a light color....just for heat reasons. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive AirMike wrote: > > If exposed to sunlight, might the black toner possibly overheat the > plexi causing problems similar to Dave's > > -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - > exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195316#195316 > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:53 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! Just uploaded the latest photos....22 RV-10's now on field. And, added additional photos to past days that I got from Scott. http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html It's finally show day, but it feels like the show's already started for us! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive > More updates from the last 2 days: > http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/OSH2008/index.html > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:46 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! From: "Lew Gallagher" Hey Tim, We're trying to decide about paint schemes, so this is great timing! Beautiful jobs, great pics, next best thing to being there. Thanks, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195328#195328 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:57 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Re: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1 the hardest part of this SB is just picking up the wrenches and knowing you are going to spend several hours removing parts that you THOUGHT were on for the long haul. The actual installation of the doubler is not difficult or that time consuming. But in the end I know I have a stronger airframe than I had. Very comforting. Now I won't worry about my passengers safety. Jim C =========================================================== From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1 With all due respect, I know I have to do the SB, and I will, but if the empennage is that inclined to come off this airplane without those two small pieces of aluminum installed, I wouldn't fly it after they were installed! Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: McGANN, Ron To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 7:01 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1 I prefer to remove the empennage myself, in the hangar - rather than have it do so on its own, at 10000'. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Thursday, 24 July 2008 8:22 AM To: RV-10 matronics Subject: RV10-List: Sb 08-6-1 What if I never do the SB on the tailcone of my plane? Fire away! Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List ics.com .matronics.com/contribution "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. 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The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of motion is. john ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:13 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? Be very careful when bending the end. You will need to make a right and left part. The instructions are not really clear on this point. Also make sure you are installing the arms in the proper sender. They too are numbered for Left / Right. Jim C =========================================================== From: John Hurst Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of motion is. john =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:34:08 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? The metal arm at the sender end of the float should have a bend in it. The bend goes through the hole in the base of the plastic arm to prevent the swivel as you have described it. It would appear you have cut the arm a little short at this point. Jim C 40192 - Finishing =========================================================== From: John Hurst Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of motion is. john =========================================================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:32 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? John, With the last bend going through the sender, it shouldn't rotate at all. You shouldn't need anything to keep it in place without rotating. It looks like you have it in past where the clips engage so I think that part is OK - but it shouldn't rotate - not nohow, not noway as the saying goes. I bought a spare access panel and cut out a part of it so I could see inside to make sure the float ranges line up correctly. I was able to put the 1/8" spacer under the float and see where it barely touches - then turn the entire mess upside down for the full range. This also allowed me to determine that the float was catching on one of the reinforcing angles inside - so I could turn it around... I don't know the part number in a -10 and it may be the same as for my 6A. If you have QB-type tanks - there's no easy way to line them up. Ralph -----Original Message----- >From: John Hurst >Sent: Jul 28, 2008 1:07 PM >To: rv10-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? > >I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. > >I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of motion is. > >john ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:55 AM PST US From: PJ Seipel Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the hole in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already cut it short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 do not archive John Hurst wrote: > I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with > the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides > in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned > the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely > around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure > and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I > add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the > bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. > > I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the > floats range of motion is. > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:21 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Onsite at OSH 2008 - First 2 RV-10's arrive! From: "dherring10" Tim, Thanks for the updates and pictures, wish I was there to go flying with you and Scott like we did last year. Lana and I have been moving to a new house so that has put a damper on my flying and building for the last few weeks. Keep the updates coming and tell Scott that if he will hold his mouth differently while he is playing Guitar Hero he will probably do better. Ha! Keep having fun for all of us. Dwayne Herring Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195376#195376 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:58 AM PST US From: John Hurst Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? Sure enough, I cut the piece too short. I see now where I need to have the end piece bent at a 90 degree angle to prevent the swivel. Thanks for all the quick responses. You guys are great. If only the instructions had been a little clearer. john Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the hole in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already cut it short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did. PJ Seipel RV-10 #40032 do not archive John Hurst wrote: > I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with > the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides > in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned > the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely > around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure > and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I > add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the > bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. > > I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the > floats range of motion is. > > john > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:12 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? The issue is the 90 degree bend needs to have a longer arm to it. Forget any other option, you'll need to assure the "L" actually is a L and not an "I" with a little bend to it. Pascal From: John Hurst Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo for better visual explanation. I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats range of motion is. john ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:10 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? Seems this is a "gotcha" for many builders. I might suggest it get added for the "Wings/Section 18" list Tim maintains. PJ covers it well. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "PJ Seipel" Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Movement of Fuel Sender ? > > Take a close look at the instructions. You need to bend then end of the > float arm about 3/16" from the end. That bent end will fit into the hole > in the plastic bracket and then it won't swivel. If you already cut it > short, then you'll get to buy a new one like I did. > > PJ Seipel > RV-10 #40032 > do not archive > > John Hurst wrote: >> I'm installing the fuel senders (Stewart Warner) and am concerned with >> the amount of play in plastic attachment (where the sender arm slides in) >> There is an extreme amount of play to the point that I'm concerned the >> float won't line up properly. The float wants to swing freely around the >> bracket. Is this normal? or should the float be more secure and have no >> movement in the plastic bracket? My question is, should I add a small >> amount of proseal to keep the float arm secure in the bracket?. See photo >> for better visual explanation. >> >> I have QB wings and do not have a lot of room to "see" where the floats >> range of motion is. >> >> john >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:46 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers From: "bcondrey" We are going to have 2 more large cookouts up here at OSH. First will be Tues evening and second will be Friday, both at 6:00 PM. Intent is simply to provide a social environment for our like minded RV-10 group to get together, put faces to names, make new friends and exchange ideas. Builders, "almost builders" and others with an interest are welcome. There are also usually at least a couple of vendors that show up so you can pick their brains. We will take care of the logistics of getting the supplies, cooking, etc. As mentioned before we have a large open area with picnic tables, chairs and shade this year so it's a great way to end the day! Many people have asked what they can do or bring. If you've got something you'd like to share with the group, by all means bring it! The only thing we ask is that you consider a contribution to help defray costs so that we can continue. We'll have a basket out for those that would like to donate but no specific amount is requested, just whatever you feel it's worth or would like to give. I'm told that Tuesday night's menu will likely be brats and maybe hot dogs. Not sure of side dishes, but there will also be plenty of cold drinks. Kids are welcome and several people brought theirs camping this year. We're still located at 55th & Lindbergh in Camp Scholler. 55th runs parallel to Knapp St (main N/S street at Air Venture) and Lindbergh is just south of the Hangar B gate. If you're coming and not part of the camping group, please let me know so that we can insure enough food and drink. Bob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195397#195397 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Sb 08-6-1: What's the equivalent of an AN470 rivet? From: "John Kirkland" I was able to scrounge a small handfull of AN470AD5 from my local A&P at the airport just for the asking. I just cut to the length I need. -------- RV-10 #40333 N540XP (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195398#195398 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:46 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10 project for sale From: "plevenda@jvlv.lv" They say all good things must come to an end. Im not sure I really believe that, but my RV10 project must. Do to major changes in life I must release my project to a new home. I have the empennage done with Vic style electric rudder trim, and attached to the quick build fuselage, along with several interior components. I have quick build wings with one wing rigged. In addition to the airframe I have a finishing kit (minus the cowl, as I was going with a James cowl), several misc. parts (strobe controller, ELT, antennas, wire, etc.), all of which must go, even my tools. The project is located at Falcon Field in Mesa, AZ. Wont take the time or space to list everything or prices here, but if interested please contact me offline at paulevenda@mac.com. Thanks all and enjoy your projects! -------- Paul Levenda #40090 N974LV Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195427#195427 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:06 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers From: "Phil White" Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyone has extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd love to be with the gang instead of in left field. Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :) -------- RV-10 #40220 in Downers Grove, IL (windows+doors) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195430#195430 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:39:16 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers Bob, also arriving Wednesday.... commercial flight into Chicago at 0'dark 3 0, should be in Osh by noon.- Count us in for 4 on Friday.- Thanks Don McDonald - #40636- Finishing the finishing. --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Phil White wrote: From: Phil White Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyo ne has extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd love to be with the gang instead of in left field. Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :) -------- RV-10 #40220 in Downers Grove, IL (windows+doors) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195430#195430 ============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:17 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Leak Proofing the Fuel Sender From: "Patrick Pulis" ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" Phil, We just gave up the space at the end of our site tonight to somebody else that didn't have reservations. Schedules seem to be changing daily, maybe somebody will chime in. Bob -------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com Sent: Mon Jul 28 15:59:31 2008 Subject: RV10-List: Re: Tues & Friday Night OSH RV-10 Get Togethers Bob: Arriving Wed midday. Pls count me in for Friday nite feast. If anyone has extra space where I can pitch my small tent + park a small car, I'd love to be with the gang instead of in left field. Phil White #40220 airframe done, Mazda engine not yet :) -------- RV-10 #40220 in Downers Grove, IL (windows+doors) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=195430#195430 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:07 PM PST US From: EFDsteve@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Ouch This problem happened to me as well. The fix wasn't too bad. The end of the fuel tank was bent in, and the end bulkhead was deformed to the point that there was a gap between it and the skin. So I ordered a new T-1003C from Van's, and I drilled out all of the rivets from the old, deformed T-1003C. I then drilled a large hole in the center of it and began removing it with a small vice grip pliers. The old bulkhead basically broke into small pieces when I did this, but it eventually did all come out. I removed the old pro-seal from the skin and the T-1005 bracket with a plastic scraper and a serrated plastic knife and cleaned the surfaces with MEK. When I received the new part, I traced it out on a piece of 2x4 and cut out a piece of wood of the same shape. I inserted the wood into the fuel tank and used it as a backer as I gently tapped the skin back into shape with a hammer. I then removed the wood, applied a generous amount of pro-seal, and riveted the new T-1003C in place. Good luck. I thought at the time that I probably wasn't the only one that would have this problem. Needed to clamp the wing spar to the wing cradle better. 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