RV10-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/06/08


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:42 AM - Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH (Tim Olson)
     2. 04:46 AM - FS: RV-10 Kit (Robert Wright)
     3. 06:16 AM - Re: Fuel sensor sealing (Dawson-Townsend,Timothy)
     4. 06:39 AM - Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH (Geico266)
     5. 06:55 AM - Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     6. 07:34 AM - front seat picture (pascal)
     7. 08:12 AM - Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram (orchidman)
     8. 08:20 AM - Re: Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
     9. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    10. 09:01 AM - Re: front seat picture (Scott Schmidt)
    11. 10:01 AM - RV-10 for sale (Jim & Julie Wade)
    12. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: Fuel sensor sealing (John Cumins)
    13. 12:25 PM - Advanced Flight Systems EFIS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    14. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Fuel sensor sealing (Kelly McMullen)
    15. 05:47 PM - 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
    16. 05:59 PM - Re: Las Vegas Area 10 Builders (John Cumins)
    17. 06:03 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS (RobHickman@aol.com)
    18. 06:20 PM - Hartzell Composite Three blade (RobHickman@AOL.COM)
    19. 06:48 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
    20. 07:13 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS (pascal)
    21. 08:46 PM - Re: new products (dmaib@mac.com)
    22. 09:00 PM - Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS (Jesse Saint)
    23. 11:15 PM - Firewall insulation (AirMike)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:42:52 AM PST US
    From: Tim Olson <Tim@MyRV10.com>
    Subject: Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH
    Awesome! Glad that worked out well for you. Not sure who'll remember my initial write-up on this, but you have my same take on it I think. It was Bill DeRouchey who initially brought this matter to attention when he saw his elevator horns going one-up-one-down. I really didn't have much concern or believe him at the time he first brought it up. But, after checking mine out, mine was only very slightly off, as your was. Certainly it flew fine and it wasn't something that would take one elevator horn and go opposite that I'd notice. So when I did my write-up I mentioned that I think this is all something that can happen to various degrees for different builders. Everything from the individualistic construction of the parts, to slight drilling differences in the horn placements, and even elevator bellcrank placements. So I said that it was a good thing to check, and correct to as good as you can get...but not that it necessarily was going to be a big problem for everyone. The sad part is, if you rig it for max 35 degree deflection as the plans call for, then you're LIKELY to have it be off by a small amount at best. Shooting for 32 degrees helps a lot. So like I said, I didn't see yours personally, but it's great to be able to share some info that gets people to at least check it closely and think about it. Then they can get theirs to where there is no way the asymmetry can be a big issue. Mine were never bad enough to make the elevator horns go opposite...neither were yours, and the very slight opposing forces were probably no big deal. But, I am guessing that trim tabs kind of have their effect exponentially or logarithmically...so I can see where if someone has a few varied errors in their construction or alignment that it could be a whole different story for them. And while a single-trim-tab design won't likely cause your stuff to twist, as it's still moving hard-joined elevators....if you have 2 tabs and they go opposite, that can really put some forces on the connection of elevators. Glad you checked it out and found it to be minor and corrected it! Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Dave Saylor wrote: > > I reviewed my tab positions and found the worst case to be when the right > tab had gone below neutral about 1/8". At that point the left tab had gone > slightly back up to about 1/8" above neutral. > > Now I get to use the caveat of the day: I took airloads into account, > meaning I pushed each tab with some moderate pressure back towards neutral, > as air would do in flight. Before removing the slack, I was measuring maybe > a hair over 3/16". > > So, I rigged my right tab to be neutral when the left had returned up a to > its highest point, so now there is never any opposite deflection. They are > always either both up or both down, or one is neutral. That took about > three turns out on the right clevis end. > > At that point, something Tim wrote made perfect sense: Most planes only > have one trim tab. Doesn't that impart a twist? The fact that one is up > and one is down isn't necessarily a bad thing--I guess it's a matter of > degree. At some point I'm going to impart the same twisting force, but it > will be from a single tab that's deflected further. > > Well, either way, I'm pretty sure mine is OK. As noted earlier, the > elevators are evenly deflected in cruise. > > Now on to the doors. > > Dave Saylor > AirCrafters LLC > 140 Aviation Way > Watsonville, CA > 831-722-9141 > 831-750-0284 CL > www.AirCraftersLLC.com > > N921AC > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 12:22 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH > > > Dave, > Just to reiterate.....I personally didn't see your trim tabs. > I was passing along someone else's observation that they thought should be > talked about...the guy that left the note. So I can't claim to know there > is in fact a problem. If they're even in cruise, and you get them both at > neutral together and they move up together and down together, I'm betting > you're fine. You're right, that one tab does move up a small amount and > then down, as the right tab continues up. But as long as it's not going > negative, I doubt it's an issue. It maybe moves 1/8 or 3/16" I'm guessing. > I'd have to look in person and measure to know for sure. > > > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying > do not archive > > > Dave Saylor wrote: >> --> <Dave@aircraftersllc.com> >> >> One of the reasons I brought the plane to OSH was to get some feedback. >> Like anyone, I wish my plane was perfect, although I think we all >> benefit. I did get a note left for me about the trim tabs, and I >> appreciate it. I'll look at them again. >> >> I had lots of time on the way home to observe the elevators in cruise. >> They were as close to even left to right as I could judge. >> >> I worked quite a bit to get the tabs to be both up or both down. The >> best I could get was as Tim described--one just starting up, then down >> as the other moved from up to down. What would be really helpful for >> me is to know how much the"up then down" tab should deflect "opposite" >> when it does so. I recall mine goes about 1/8" before it starts down >> again, but I'm not at the plane. I'll check again. >> >> Thanks for the comments. >> >> Dave Saylor >> AirCrafters LLC >> 140 Aviation Way >> Watsonville, CA >> 831-722-9141 >> 831-750-0284 CL >> www.AirCraftersLLC.com >> >> N921AC 202 hours, just back from OSH >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:34 AM >> To: rv10-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV10-List: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH >> >> >> Was talking to another RV-10 pilot at OSH just before I left and he >> told me he peeked at some of the RV-10's that flew in and looked for >> asymmetrical trim tab deployment. As we've discussed in the past, the >> tabs should be both neutral at the same time, but when they go up, >> only one goes up (the other does move up a tiny amount), and when they >> go down, they both should go down. >> You should never have a situation where one goes up and one goes down. >> >> Having only one tab move up may sound crazy, but that's how it's >> supposed to work, and keep in mind that this isn't strange at >> all....many planes and even the other RV's are built with only one >> trim tab on one side. But, what makes our case unique is that if the >> builder screws up the rigging, they can end up with the 2 tabs in >> opposite deflections.....and if you follow the plans, you will likely have > a small misalignment. >> These observations were not made by me, but were brought to my attention: >> So what was observed was that N921AC has some asymmetrical trim, then >> another unpainted RV-10 had a worse condition of asymmetrical trim. >> But the one that took the prize was one of the build-for-customer >> RV-10's that was at the show.... >> from what I was told, that RV-10 had one trim tab that was approx. 10 >> degrees up, while the other tab was approx. 10 deg down. NOW, the >> interesting thing was, the person also noticed that it appeared that >> this particular RV-10 may have had a little compression deformity of >> that rear bulkhead noted in the SB. >> >> Perhaps next year at OSH we should have a gathering to specifically >> look at some noted areas of every RV-10 and self-group-check for any >> potential safety issues? >> This year I just looked at all the pretty planes. >> Pretty good turnout overall. >> >> -- >> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:46:21 AM PST US
    From: Robert Wright <flywrights@yahoo.com>
    Subject: FS: RV-10 Kit
    I'm on the finishing kit; just got the transparencies in and started on the windshield fairing.- Also have the spinner match dirlled and getting rea dy to install it and prop.=0AQB Wings/Fuse.- Only major things you have l eft to buy are stick grips.=0AIO-540 L Mag/Electr. Ign=0AFlightline Interio rs=0AIFR Panel - SteinAir panel=0AAndair Valve=0ADefog Fans=0ASBs done (VS and Tailcone bulkhead)=0AThis is 100% ownership for the price of QB and mat erials only; no labor factored in.=0AChanged careers and can't keep the lab or of love.=0ARob=0A334-475-6440=0A912-228-3757=0Aflywrights@yahoo.com=0A =0A=0A


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    Time: 06:16:46 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: Fuel sensor sealing
    From: "Dawson-Townsend,Timothy" <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero>
    How about fuel sensor installed just with the cork gasket? Is the ProSeal 100% necessary? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 06:39:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH
    From: "Geico266" <Geico266@aol.com>
    This may be old news, but worth repeating on this thread. I as I understand it the -10 trim tabs were originally designed to be partially actuated with flap deployment. That system did not work out during testing and construction so it was modified to the current configuration. Seems to me both trim tabs should be equal all of the time as to not twist the tail. I'm no engineer, just my $.02 worth. Maybe this is something that caused the tail bulkhead SB? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196867#196867


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    Time: 06:55:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    Gary, The LSE wires in just like a mag - you use pins 1 & 9 on the LSE output connector instead of the P lead from the mag. When configured that way you don't use any sort of switch for LSE power. You will see references to the "keyswitch option" in LSE's documentation but all of them support it, it's just a matter of whether the wire is installed in the connector. You can add it yourself if it's not there. Wiring from either the mag or LSE is single conductor shielded. There is a "GND" terminal where the shields connect and "L" and "R" where the center wire from the respective ignition goes. There will be 2 terminals labeled "GND" and you want the center one (not the one adjacent to the "R" terminal). The paper document that came with the switch may be the only place where the actual terminal labels exist. Contact me offline and I can send you a file with the info. It's in a large (file size) document so I won't post it here. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: RV10-List: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram Does anyone have a detailed wiring diagram of the way you wire up the ignition switch (I have the ACS master switch) to work with a single Plasma III? My left Mag is an impulse and the right will be the Plasma III. I am trying to polish up the wiring diagrams so I can get serious at pulling wires and this is one of the last little things I need to hash out. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196804#196804


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    Time: 07:34:57 AM PST US
    From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
    Subject: front seat picture
    I am planning my (rear) seat designs and need some pictures of the front seat as delivered (no upholstery) to see how Oregon Aero lays out the foam on the seat. Any pictures anyone has would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Pascal


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    Time: 08:12:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram
    From: "orchidman" <gary@wingscc.com>
    Thanks Bob. I am trying to get a handle on this. I ordered the Plasma at Osh and have downloaded the manual. They say that it should ship in about 3 weeks. If I can't get the wiring straight in my mind tonight I may give you a call. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196903#196903


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    Time: 08:20:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram
    From: "Condrey, Bob (US SSA)" <bob.condrey@baesystems.com>
    No problem! Hardest part about the install is install of the crank sensor and magnets in the ring gear assembly. Easy solution is to send the assembly to Klaus and he will install the magnets for about $50. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Plasma III to ACS switch wiring diagram Thanks Bob. I am trying to get a handle on this. I ordered the Plasma at Osh and have downloaded the manual. They say that it should ship in about 3 weeks. If I can't get the wiring straight in my mind tonight I may give you a call. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196903#196903


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    Time: 08:21:25 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH
    I remember this being brought up before. Seems odd that they would try and do this mechanically rather than electronically with something like Aircraft Extra's Flap Positioning system that has the ability to adjust trim. BTW, if anyone is thinking about getting that, don't get it from Van's as it seems they really jacked up the price. Just get it from AE. http://www.aircraftextras.com/ Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geico266 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Asymmetrical trim noted at OSH This may be old news, but worth repeating on this thread. I as I understand it the -10 trim tabs were originally designed to be partially actuated with flap deployment. That system did not work out during testing and construction so it was modified to the current configuration. Seems to me both trim tabs should be equal all of the time as to not twist the tail. I'm no engineer, just my $.02 worth. Maybe this is something that caused the tail bulkhead SB? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196867#196867


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    Time: 09:01:06 AM PST US
    From: Scott Schmidt <scottmschmidt@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: front seat picture
    http://www.scottandranae.smugmug.com/gallery/1092733_2pqGD#54650525_HC6fZ Scott Schmidt scottmschmidt@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: pascal <pascal@rv10builder.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2008 8:34:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: front seat picture I am planning my (rear) seat designs and need some pictures of the front seat as delivered (no upholstery) to see how Oregon Aero lays out the foam on the seat. Any pictures anyone has would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Pascal


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    Time: 10:01:18 AM PST US
    Subject: RV-10 for sale
    From: "Jim &amp; Julie Wade" <jwade2163@bellsouth.net>
    Offering my RV-10 for sale. 230 Hrs since new. Many of you have seen it at Oshkosh and Sun & Fun. All glass cockpit, new IO-540, Aerocomposite prop. Here is you chance to get into a great looking and performing RV-10. Asking $225,000 Phone 662-873-7437 email jwade2163@bellsouth.net Jim Wade 40383 N369JW Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=196932#196932 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/imgp0037_565.jpg


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    Time: 10:28:02 AM PST US
    From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
    Subject: RE: Fuel sensor sealing
    OK here is my .02 cents on the cork gasket for the Fuel sender unit. In production airplanes almost all fuel take sending units and access covers for the bladder type of takes are sealed with cork gaskets only and no proseal is used at all. I think when I do mine it will have a touch of fuel lube on the gasket and thats all, no proseal. Now fuel take access panels are usually prosealed once installed and are a bear to clean up and reseal. And I totally agree no metal scrapers if at all possible. #40864 Vertical stab skin riveting. On my way to Las Vegas for a security conference and visit builders there. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dawson-Townsend,Timothy Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:16 AM Subject: RV10-List: RE: Fuel sensor sealing <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> How about fuel sensor installed just with the cork gasket? Is the ProSeal 100% necessary? TDT Tim Dawson-Townsend tdt@aurora.aero 617-500-4812 (office) 617-905-4800 (mobile)


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    Time: 12:25:46 PM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS
    Any chance anyone has heard if Rob is going to add a flight path marker to the AFS EFIS's? Seems like a glaring hole in capability that everyone else now has and I would think it will be coming in a future release. Too me this is a big item in an EFIS. I know he monitors our list so maybe he will chime in. Michael


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    Time: 04:00:19 PM PST US
    From: "Kelly McMullen" <apilot2@GMAIL.COM>
    Subject: Re: RE: Fuel sensor sealing
    I think I have had cork and neoprene gaskets on my fuel senders for my wet wing Mooney. One of the few places leaks have not been a problem. (one tank still has some sections with original 1965 sealant). Even access panels should use the non-hardening variety of PRC, (PR1403-G-B2 or CS-3330-B). Much easier to open and to reseal...and it uses isopropyl alcohol for solvent for cleanup, rather than the nastier stuff. On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:24 AM, John Cumins <jcumins@jcis.net> wrote: > > OK here is my .02 cents on the cork gasket for the Fuel sender unit. > > In production airplanes almost all fuel take sending units and access > covers > for the bladder type of takes are sealed with cork gaskets only and no > proseal is used at all. I think when I do mine it will have a touch of > fuel > lube on the gasket and that's all, no proseal. > > Now fuel take access panels are usually prosealed once installed and are a > bear to clean up and reseal. And I totally agree no metal scrapers if at > all possible. > > > #40864 Vertical stab skin riveting. > On my way to Las Vegas for a security conference and visit builders there. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Dawson-Townsend,Timothy > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:16 AM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV10-List: RE: Fuel sensor sealing > > <tdawson-townsend@aurora.aero> > > > How about fuel sensor installed just with the cork gasket? Is the ProSeal > 100% necessary? > > TDT > > Tim Dawson-Townsend > tdt@aurora.aero > 617-500-4812 (office) > 617-905-4800 (mobile) > >


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    Time: 05:47:11 PM PST US
    Subject: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    If you are happy with just 100LL stop here. You won't like where this is going. This effects us all even in other countries because one tends to follow the other at some point. If you are tired of someone saying we can't have 91 octane, read on. It's time to pick a side and take 5 minutes to email. Our lives as people are good because someone didn't just say ok. Some took the time to make change and made it better for all of us. If we choose to sit on the sideline and just go along then we deserve what we get. I would implore all to take a minute and email these two people and any other fuel administrator in other companies. I will post on as many aviation websites as possible and I would you all to pick a side and stand up to be heard and maybe, just maybe we might effect change. I for one don't want to roll over. You are about to read a bulletin about the use of Chevron ground fuel verses aviation fuel. Then I have a response. Don't sit back and pick my memo apart, use that time to write your own and be heard. Post this on all your aviation websites. Let them hear a nation wide voice. Send your emails to: LIMG(at)chevron.com kayalbitz(at)chevron.com or any other fuel company administrator. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197015#197015 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/2008_04_2008_04_bulletin_2008_04_chevron_position_autogas_for_aviation_use_449.pdf http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_memo_727.doc


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    Time: 05:59:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net>
    Subject: Las Vegas Area 10 Builders
    Rick I will be in Las Vegas Thursday shoot me your contact info off list and I will give you a call when I get there. John G. Cumins President JC'S Interactive Systems 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Las Vegas Area 10 Builders Rick I will be in Las Vegas Thursday Aug 7 - the 10th. I will have a lot of time in the evenings to visit. Shoot me your address and contact info and I will look you up when I get there. John G. Cumins President JC'S Interactive Systems 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Las Vegas Area 10 Builders When are you going to be here John? Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cumins" <jcumins@jcis.net> Sent: Monday, August 4, 2008 9:54:45 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Las Vegas Area 10 Builders Any 10 builders in the Las Vegas area, I will be in Las Vegas for 4 days and will have free time to visit to talk flying, building ect. Please contact me 707-479-5895 cell John G. Cumins President JC'S Interactive Systems 2499 B1 Martin Rd Fairfield Ca 94533 707-425-7100 707-425-7576 Fax Your Total Technology Solution Provider


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    Time: 06:03:35 PM PST US
    From: RobHickman@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS
    In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:27:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rvbuilder@sausen.net writes: Any chance anyone has heard if Rob is going to add a flight path marker to the AFS EFIS's? Seems like a glaring hole in capability that everyone else now has and I would think it will be coming in a future release. Too me this is a big item in an EFIS. We are currently working on it and it will be in a future release. You should consider adding the following to your list of EFIS manufacturer glaring holes: 1. AOA that work properly with the flaps up and down and can be used to fly an approach. 2. Battery backup so that when your master switch or battery contactor fails you still have an EFIS. 3. Airspace data that is actually updated on the web site every 28 days, for free. 4. An AHRS that works if and when you lose pitot or gps. We got back yesterday from Oshkosh in our RV-10 and it now has 61 hours on it, the more I fly it the more impressed I am with it. The weather, traffic, built in oxygen, large moving map display, autopilot, and all that room make it amazingly comfortable to fly on long trips. Rob Hickman N402RH Flying **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


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    Time: 06:20:31 PM PST US
    From: RobHickman@AOL.COM
    Subject: Hartzell Composite Three blade
    I am going to fly my RV-10 at the same weight and compare the prop directly with another local unpainted RV-10 with the same engine and ignition. We did fly with Randy Debauw for much of the trip to Oshkosh so I do have some idea on how it performs. Randy has the older two blade Hartzell prop and was around 300 to 400 lbs lighter than we were with my three kids and all their stuff that just had to go to Oshkosh in the RV-10. It looked like my RV-10 was around 3 kts slower, but climbed faster even with the extra weight. The polished spinner is the same diameter as Van's stock one. Rob Hickman N402RH **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


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    Time: 06:48:15 PM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS
    I'm using your AOA so I hope it doesn't have those problems. :) Michael From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of RobHickman@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:27:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rvbuilder@ sausen.net writes: Any chance anyone has heard if Rob is going to add a flight path marker to the AFS EFIS's? Seems like a glaring hole in capability that everyone else now has and I would think it will be coming in a future release. Too me t his is a big item in an EFIS. We are currently working on it and it will be in a future release. You sho uld consider adding the following to your list of EFIS manufacturer glaring holes: 1. AOA that work properly with the flaps up and down and can be used to fly an approach. 2. Battery backup so that when your master switch or battery contactor fail s you still have an EFIS. 3. Airspace data that is actually updated on the web site every 28 days, fo r free. 4. An AHRS that works if and when you lose pitot or gps. We got back yesterday from Oshkosh in our RV-10 and it now has 61 hours on it, the more I fly it the more impressed I am with it. The weather, traff ic, built in oxygen, large moving map display, autopilot, and all that room make it amazingly comfortable to fly on long trips. Rob Hickman N402RH Flying ________________________________ Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos<http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=ao laut00050000000017>.


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    Time: 07:13:40 PM PST US
    From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
    Subject: Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS
    Rob; Please tell us your developing all this for future releases. I am already committed to get your AOA and 3500 or DECK so that would be great news! Thanks for the info. Pascal From: RobHickman@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:27:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rvbuilder@sausen.net writes: Any chance anyone has heard if Rob is going to add a flight path marker to the AFS EFIS's? Seems like a glaring hole in capability that everyone else now has and I would think it will be coming in a future release. Too me this is a big item in an EFIS. We are currently working on it and it will be in a future release. You should consider adding the following to your list of EFIS manufacturer glaring holes: 1. AOA that work properly with the flaps up and down and can be used to fly an approach. 2. Battery backup so that when your master switch or battery contactor fails you still have an EFIS. 3. Airspace data that is actually updated on the web site every 28 days, for free. 4. An AHRS that works if and when you lose pitot or gps. We got back yesterday from Oshkosh in our RV-10 and it now has 61 hours on it, the more I fly it the more impressed I am with it. The weather, traffic, built in oxygen, large moving map display, autopilot, and all that room make it amazingly comfortable to fly on long trips. Rob Hickman N402RH Flying ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.


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    Time: 08:46:14 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new products
    From: "dmaib@mac.com" <dmaib@mac.com>
    I have been trying to download the rudder trim drawing from the M.L. Skunkworks site, but it has exceeded it's daily download limit. Does anybody have a copy of it in word document or pdf they could send to me? -------- David Maib RV-10 #40559 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197057#197057


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    Time: 09:00:21 PM PST US
    From: Jesse Saint <jesse@saintaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS
    I think Rob was mentioning that list because those are things that the AFS HAS and most/all of the others lack. Either that or he's not much of a salesman. :-) do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Aug 6, 2008, at 10:11 PM, pascal wrote: > Rob; > Please tell us your developing all this for future releases. I am > already committed to get your AOA and 3500 or DECK so that would be > great news! > Thanks for the info. > Pascal > > From: RobHickman@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:00 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Advanced Flight Systems EFIS > > In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:27:43 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rvbuilder@sausen.net > writes: > Any chance anyone has heard if Rob is going to add a flight path > marker to the AFS EFIS's? Seems like a glaring hole in capability > that everyone else now has and I would think it will be coming in a > future release. Too me this is a big item in an EFIS. > We are currently working on it and it will be in a future release. > You should consider adding the following to your list of EFIS > manufacturer glaring holes: > > 1. AOA that work properly with the flaps up and down and can be used > to fly an approach. > 2. Battery backup so that when your master switch or battery > contactor fails you still have an EFIS. > 3. Airspace data that is actually updated on the web site every 28 > days, for free. > 4. An AHRS that works if and when you lose pitot or gps. > > We got back yesterday from Oshkosh in our RV-10 and it now has 61 > hours on it, the more I fly it the more impressed I am with it. > The weather, traffic, built in oxygen, large moving map display, > autopilot, and all that room make it amazingly comfortable to fly on > long trips. > > Rob Hickman > N402RH Flying > > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read > reviews on AOL Autos. > > title="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List > to follow link" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > >


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    Time: 11:15:44 PM PST US
    Subject: Firewall insulation
    From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
    Looking for suggestions for a firewall blanket to put on the engine side of the firewall. I heard a comment at OSH that it would be good (Cooler in Summer) to insulate both the inside and outside of the firewall -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in &quot;09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197071#197071




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