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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Hartzell 3 blade prop (Lew Gallagher)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (Marcus Cooper)
4. 07:23 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (John Cox)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (Tim Olson)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Countersink (Bob Kaufmann)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (MauleDriver)
8. 11:30 AM - need part numbers (David McNeill)
9. 12:05 PM - Oil Filter Part Number (Roger Standley)
10. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (Rick Sked)
11. 12:38 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (David McNeill)
12. 12:38 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Rick Sked)
13. 04:28 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Jesse Saint)
14. 04:45 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (David McNeill)
15. 04:58 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Rick Sked)
16. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Dave Leikam)
17. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Rick Sked)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Rick Sked)
19. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Kelly McMullen)
20. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (David Maib)
21. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Ben Westfall)
22. 09:22 PM - engine cowling (dogsbark@comcast.net)
23. 11:03 PM - Nose wheel fairing length (John Ackerman)
24. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (Don McDonald)
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Subject: | Re: Hartzell 3 blade prop |
Ahhhh, that did the trick!
Now put me in touch with the windshield fairing fairy!
Later, - Lew
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
OK Gary, I got your address.
Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail you
the updated list and corresponding labels.
Later, - Lew
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NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
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Subject: | Reflections on Rudder Trim |
Dave,
I flew with a fixed tab taped in place for over 200 hours. It certainly
was effective, however I ended up going with a cockpit adjustable tab as I
found the trim required was inconsistent. You can probably find some
previous threads in the archives, but one prominent theory is the nose wheel
doesn't always center after takeoff leaving a slight yaw input. I can't say
for certain, but no matter how I set the fixed trim tab it would work great
on some flights but on others I'd be leaning on the rudder pedal slightly
for over 2 hours and I got tired of it. I don't mess with the adjustable
tab now very often, but it's handy to have when I do need to make a slight
change.
Marcus
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche
(Building)
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim
I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled
rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me a
good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying RV-10s.
There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several occasions and
asked two different employees (those I consider two of the most
knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim. Both
replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left me
wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high performance
aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over to the
commercial exhibits. Here is what I found.
The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a comparable
sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder and to the trim
tab.
The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder.
The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the
rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture.
After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the airplane
has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a manner that
effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I was told by
Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring arrangement to
adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus there are a variety
of methods used by the commercial manufacturers, almost as many as used by
RV-10 builders. :-)
Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be determined,
to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive, ground adjustable
solution in use by a number of high performance commercial airplane
manufacturers.
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Subject: | Reflections on Rudder Trim |
Dave, did you abandon the servo control idea? Nice pictures.
John Cox
Do not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Fritzsche (Building)
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim
I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled
rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me
a good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying
RV-10s. There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several
occasions and asked two different employees (those I consider two of the
most knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim.
Both replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left
me wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high
performance aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over
to the commercial exhibits. Here is what I found.
The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a
comparable sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder
and to the trim tab.
The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder.
The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the
rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture.
After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the
airplane has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a
manner that effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I
was told by Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring
arrangement to adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus
there are a variety of methods used by the commercial manufacturers,
almost as many as used by RV-10 builders. :-)
Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be
determined, to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive,
ground adjustable solution in use by a number of high performance
commercial airplane manufacturers.
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
40813
Puyallup, WA
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Subject: | Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim |
For what it's worth, (probably nothing), I agree with both ends
of the discussion. I flew for what, maybe 285 hours, with a stick-on
trim wedge. I wasn't totally displeased. It worked OK, and did get
rid of 90% of the out-of-trim on the rudder. My position these
days is that adjustable trim is great, and if you plan an electric
version, do yourself a favor by at least pulling wires for it while
you assemble the tail for final assembly. But I never called it a
NECESSARY option to have adjustable trim. I think that some people
will be plenty satisfied without it.
The rub comes, as Marcus points out, that the trim isn't always going
to be consistent, and depending on speed, altitude, loadings, or
whatever, you may want more or less trim. Certainly on a 9 hour
flying day, I got annoyed by keeping my foot on the pedal for hours
on end....so that the plane would not fly in a slight bank. Yes,
if your rudder trim is out, you will have a low wing with the Autopilot
on.....and as you get cozy and used to your plane, you will notice
that effect and over time it gets more annoying to hold your foot
there on the pedal.
I'm also all for the actual aerodynamics of actually trimming your
rudder with an adjustable tab, just like you do with the elevator.
I think it gives the most real trim effect that puts things into
that comfortable equilibrium just like when you trim out the elevator.
The aileron trim in the RV-10 is spring/servo driven and although
I feel it is plenty good for the 10, it does feel like more of
a "hack" than truly trimming....and it does add some spring
tension to the controls. Is this bad? Not really....and I don't
think that it would be so bad to do a mechanical trim on the
rudder, either. Both can get the job done just fine. If it
weren't just so simple to throw the servo in the rudder, certainly
I'd be attracted to the other methods too, but I can't imagine
being as satisfied in the end as right now I'm completely satisfied...
especially when coupled to Bob's "Safety-Trim" so I have the fast/slow
speed settings. It's a completely non-interfering way to accomplish
the job.
As for Van's opinion.... Sure, I'm positive that they'd say "nah,
it's not needed to have adjustable trim." We've all learned what
the Van's style is...simple, cheap, and VFR. The catch is, many of
us want slick, comfortably, advanced IFR aircraft. So our opinion
isn't really the same all the time. With something like rudder
trim, it doesn't matter so much if you pick a side, or have a
strong opinion....it's not one of the biggest issues you'll face.
But, it IS one of the things that is easier dealt with BEFORE
you are flying than after. Unfortunately, it probably isn't
until you have 60-80 hours on the plane, including some good long
X/C time, until you'll actually SEE what your opinion actually is.
There's nothing like droning along in your RV-10 for some good X/C
time, reflecting on your choices, to understand if those past choices
and opinions were on the mark or not.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
Marcus Cooper wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I flew with a fixed tab taped in place for over 200 hours. It
> certainly was effective, however I ended up going with a cockpit
> adjustable tab as I found the trim required was inconsistent. You can
> probably find some previous threads in the archives, but one prominent
> theory is the nose wheel doesnt always center after takeoff leaving a
> slight yaw input. I cant say for certain, but no matter how I set the
> fixed trim tab it would work great on some flights but on others Id be
> leaning on the rudder pedal slightly for over 2 hours and I got tired of
> it. I dont mess with the adjustable tab now very often, but its handy
> to have when I do need to make a slight change.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave
> Fritzsche (Building)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:31 PM
> *To:* RV-10 Matronics
> *Subject:* RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim
>
>
>
> I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled
> rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me
> a good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying
> RV-10s. There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several
> occasions and asked two different employees (those I consider two of the
> most knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim.
> Both replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left
> me wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high
> performance aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over
> to the commercial exhibits. Here is what I found.
>
> The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a
> comparable sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder
> and to the trim tab.
>
>
> The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder.
>
> The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the
> rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture.
>
> After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the
> airplane has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a
> manner that effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I
> was told by Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring
> arrangement to adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus
> there are a variety of methods used by the commercial manufacturers,
> almost as many as used by RV-10 builders. :-)
>
> Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be
> determined, to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive,
> ground adjustable solution in use by a number of high performance
> commercial airplane manufacturers.
>
> Dave
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Dave Fritzsche
>
> 40813
>
> Puyallup, WA
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
Can you guys please add me to the list for the Countersink? My
particulars are on the Builders list and I can send my full mailing
address to whoever.
Thanks
Bill Watson
Lew Gallagher wrote:
>
> OK Gary, I got your address.
>
> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail you
the updated list and corresponding labels.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>
>
>
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Subject: | need part numbers |
Anyone have the Cleveland part numbers for the main wheel and nose wheel?
also need brake lining Cleveland number. I thought I recorded them before I
discarded the boxes but can not find.
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Subject: | Oil Filter Part Number |
Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
I am at home - plane is at hangar...
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Bob,
Just borrow mine when you need it.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Oil Filter Part Number |
CH48110-1 CHAMPION OIL FILTER
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number
Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
I am at home - plane is at hangar...
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Subject: | Re: Oil Filter Part Number |
Mine has a Champion CH48108-1
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Standley" <taildragon@msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:04:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number
Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
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Subject: | Re: Oil Filter Part Number |
It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. Where did you
get your engine?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
>
> Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
> I am at home - plane is at hangar...
>
>
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Subject: | Oil Filter Part Number |
my reply was based on a standard engine as supplied by Vans/Lycoming. no
adapter.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number
It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. Where did you get
your engine?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
I am at home - plane is at hangar...
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
bution
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Subject: | Re: Oil Filter Part Number |
And mine is on the 90 degree adapter with 1.75" spacer.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesse Saint" <jesse@saintaviation.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:25:25 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number
It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. =C2-Where did you g
et your engine?
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote:
Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter?
I am at home - plane is at hangar... http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1
0-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com hre
f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri
bution
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
> OK Gary, I got your address.
>
> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail
> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the country...One
came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for the project...kinda
funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real
quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but
at two holes per aircraft...maybe not.
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
> OK Gary, I got your address.
>
> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail
> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
It's almost as funny as the stolen Bob's Big Boy statue that had it's picture taken
all over the place. :)
lol...That was ingenius!!
Rick S.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
> OK Gary, I got your address.
>
> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail
> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator?
"Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits.
The head of our prototype shop, Scott
McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2)
for fiberglass and says they do an excellent
job."
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the country...One
came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for the project...kinda
funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real
quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but
at two holes per aircraft...maybe not.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
> Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
>>
>> OK Gary, I got your address.
>>
>> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail
>> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>>
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
The Avery permagrit countersink bits work great on fiberglass. I
wouldn't use anything else.
David Maib
40559
endless finishing
On Aug 16, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote:
Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator?
"Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits.
The head of our prototype shop, Scott
McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2)
for fiberglass and says they do an excellent
job."
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it
> travels the country...One came in the set I bought almost five
> years ago tooling up for the project...kinda funny to watch it get
> so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real quick on
> fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but
> at two holes per aircraft...maybe not.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/
> Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
> Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
>> <lewgall@charter.net>
>>
>> OK Gary, I got your address.
>>
>> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and
>> I'll mail
>> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
I bought the kit from avery. Countersinking the canopy top was very simple.
There is no chance of getting jagged holes when using the permagrit bits. I
found it wasn't necessary to use the countersink cage at all with these.
I'd consider them a must have tool. Ranks right below tungsten bucking
bars.
-Ben
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator?
"Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits.
The head of our prototype shop, Scott
McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2)
for fiberglass and says they do an excellent
job."
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the
country...One came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for
the project...kinda funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get
dull real quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's
lifespan, but at two holes per aircraft...maybe not.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
> Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
>
> Dave Leikam
> RV-10 #40496
> N89DA (Reserved)
> Muskego, WI
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
>>
>> OK Gary, I got your address.
>>
>> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll
mail
>> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I've just started the initial steps of fitting the engine cowling. The directions
seem somewhat vague to me.
Trimming the opening for the prop was no problem for each separately.
When I fit the upper and lower cowl flanges together around the spinner area, I
cannot get a good fit while keeping the sides of the cowling aligned with each
other. Is this normal?
Should I err toward aligning the sides of the cowl halves to each other and filling
the inconsistencies in the nose section later?
It seems the steps for this initial "nose fitting" is critical to the rest of the
process.
Thanks for any help.
Sean Blair
#40225
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Subject: | Nose wheel fairing length |
Help, please.
Amazingly, I could find nothing on this issue in the archives...
When I slid the rear nose wheel fairing in place and fully forward
against the vertical post, I found that the aft end of the fairing was
_exactly_ one inch behind its proper location according to fig. 3 page
48-17. Now the instructions (same figure) say to "TRIM FLANGE IF/AS
NEEDED". If I did that , I would trim right through the flange and
1/4" into the body of the fairing. The forward fairing half would be
pushed forward a like amount, and the specified cutout(page 48-18 fig.
1) would not even be close. Clearly there is a mismatch between the
instructions and the dimension of the rear fairing that I received.
Either the fairing is too long by an inch, or the 20 5/32" dimension
( fig. 3 page 48-17.) should read 21 5/32". The drawings all show the
fairing essentially flush against the post with little or no cutout.
It may even be remotely possible that I'm missing something here.
Any ideas??
John Ackerman 40458
PS This particular aft nosewheel fairing is not as nice as most of the
RV10 glass. Big mismatch of the halves. :-(
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Ok countersinkers, we now know where the countersink is.... my brother just
brought us our mail from the shop, and low and behold, Fred sent it right
back to me.- Fred, thanks for thinking of me, but there's labels inside t
he package, and there was a reason there wasn't a label for me.... cause I
already finished with it.- Anyway, Pascal, you're next on the list follow
ed by Lew.- Since it's Sat. night, it won't go out until Monday, so let m
e know if either of you still need it..... and I'll revise the list.--
Thanks Fred.
Don McDonald
#40636
Finishing
--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Bob,
Just borrow mine when you need it.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<gary@wingscc.com>
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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