---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/16/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:03 AM - Re: Hartzell 3 blade prop (Lew Gallagher) 2. 04:20 AM - Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Lew Gallagher) 3. 07:21 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (Marcus Cooper) 4. 07:23 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (John Cox) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Reflections on Rudder Trim (Tim Olson) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: Re: Countersink (Bob Kaufmann) 7. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (MauleDriver) 8. 11:30 AM - need part numbers (David McNeill) 9. 12:05 PM - Oil Filter Part Number (Roger Standley) 10. 12:21 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (Rick Sked) 11. 12:38 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (David McNeill) 12. 12:38 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Rick Sked) 13. 04:28 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Jesse Saint) 14. 04:45 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (David McNeill) 15. 04:58 PM - Re: Oil Filter Part Number (Rick Sked) 16. 06:23 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Dave Leikam) 17. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Rick Sked) 18. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Rick Sked) 19. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Kelly McMullen) 20. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (David Maib) 21. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (Ben Westfall) 22. 09:22 PM - engine cowling (dogsbark@comcast.net) 23. 11:03 PM - Nose wheel fairing length (John Ackerman) 24. 11:48 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (Don McDonald) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:58 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell 3 blade prop From: "Lew Gallagher" Ahhhh, that did the trick! Now put me in touch with the windshield fairing fairy! Later, - Lew do not archive -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198896#198896 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:23 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes From: "Lew Gallagher" OK Gary, I got your address. Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail you the updated list and corresponding labels. Later, - Lew -------- non-pilot crazy about building NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:37 AM PST US From: "Marcus Cooper" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim Dave, I flew with a fixed tab taped in place for over 200 hours. It certainly was effective, however I ended up going with a cockpit adjustable tab as I found the trim required was inconsistent. You can probably find some previous threads in the archives, but one prominent theory is the nose wheel doesn't always center after takeoff leaving a slight yaw input. I can't say for certain, but no matter how I set the fixed trim tab it would work great on some flights but on others I'd be leaning on the rudder pedal slightly for over 2 hours and I got tired of it. I don't mess with the adjustable tab now very often, but it's handy to have when I do need to make a slight change. Marcus From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building) Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me a good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying RV-10s. There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several occasions and asked two different employees (those I consider two of the most knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim. Both replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left me wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high performance aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over to the commercial exhibits. Here is what I found. The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a comparable sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder and to the trim tab. The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder. The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture. After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the airplane has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a manner that effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I was told by Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring arrangement to adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus there are a variety of methods used by the commercial manufacturers, almost as many as used by RV-10 builders. :-) Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be determined, to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive, ground adjustable solution in use by a number of high performance commercial airplane manufacturers. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim From: "John Cox" Dave, did you abandon the servo control idea? Nice pictures. John Cox Do not Archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fritzsche (Building) Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 4:31 PM Subject: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me a good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying RV-10s. There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several occasions and asked two different employees (those I consider two of the most knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim. Both replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left me wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high performance aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over to the commercial exhibits. Here is what I found. The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a comparable sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder and to the trim tab. The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder. The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture. After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the airplane has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a manner that effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I was told by Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring arrangement to adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus there are a variety of methods used by the commercial manufacturers, almost as many as used by RV-10 builders. :-) Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be determined, to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive, ground adjustable solution in use by a number of high performance commercial airplane manufacturers. Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Fritzsche 40813 Puyallup, WA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:07 AM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim For what it's worth, (probably nothing), I agree with both ends of the discussion. I flew for what, maybe 285 hours, with a stick-on trim wedge. I wasn't totally displeased. It worked OK, and did get rid of 90% of the out-of-trim on the rudder. My position these days is that adjustable trim is great, and if you plan an electric version, do yourself a favor by at least pulling wires for it while you assemble the tail for final assembly. But I never called it a NECESSARY option to have adjustable trim. I think that some people will be plenty satisfied without it. The rub comes, as Marcus points out, that the trim isn't always going to be consistent, and depending on speed, altitude, loadings, or whatever, you may want more or less trim. Certainly on a 9 hour flying day, I got annoyed by keeping my foot on the pedal for hours on end....so that the plane would not fly in a slight bank. Yes, if your rudder trim is out, you will have a low wing with the Autopilot on.....and as you get cozy and used to your plane, you will notice that effect and over time it gets more annoying to hold your foot there on the pedal. I'm also all for the actual aerodynamics of actually trimming your rudder with an adjustable tab, just like you do with the elevator. I think it gives the most real trim effect that puts things into that comfortable equilibrium just like when you trim out the elevator. The aileron trim in the RV-10 is spring/servo driven and although I feel it is plenty good for the 10, it does feel like more of a "hack" than truly trimming....and it does add some spring tension to the controls. Is this bad? Not really....and I don't think that it would be so bad to do a mechanical trim on the rudder, either. Both can get the job done just fine. If it weren't just so simple to throw the servo in the rudder, certainly I'd be attracted to the other methods too, but I can't imagine being as satisfied in the end as right now I'm completely satisfied... especially when coupled to Bob's "Safety-Trim" so I have the fast/slow speed settings. It's a completely non-interfering way to accomplish the job. As for Van's opinion.... Sure, I'm positive that they'd say "nah, it's not needed to have adjustable trim." We've all learned what the Van's style is...simple, cheap, and VFR. The catch is, many of us want slick, comfortably, advanced IFR aircraft. So our opinion isn't really the same all the time. With something like rudder trim, it doesn't matter so much if you pick a side, or have a strong opinion....it's not one of the biggest issues you'll face. But, it IS one of the things that is easier dealt with BEFORE you are flying than after. Unfortunately, it probably isn't until you have 60-80 hours on the plane, including some good long X/C time, until you'll actually SEE what your opinion actually is. There's nothing like droning along in your RV-10 for some good X/C time, reflecting on your choices, to understand if those past choices and opinions were on the mark or not. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying Marcus Cooper wrote: > Dave, > > I flew with a fixed tab taped in place for over 200 hours. It > certainly was effective, however I ended up going with a cockpit > adjustable tab as I found the trim required was inconsistent. You can > probably find some previous threads in the archives, but one prominent > theory is the nose wheel doesnt always center after takeoff leaving a > slight yaw input. I cant say for certain, but no matter how I set the > fixed trim tab it would work great on some flights but on others Id be > leaning on the rudder pedal slightly for over 2 hours and I got tired of > it. I dont mess with the adjustable tab now very often, but its handy > to have when I do need to make a slight change. > > > > Marcus > > > > > > *From:* owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Dave > Fritzsche (Building) > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 13, 2008 6:31 PM > *To:* RV-10 Matronics > *Subject:* RV10-List: Reflections on Rudder Trim > > > > I went to AirVenture with the intention of building a servo controlled > rudder trim system into my rudder as I complete it. AirVenture gave me > a good opportunity to look at the different implementations on flying > RV-10s. There were quite a few. I stopped by Van's tent on several > occasions and asked two different employees (those I consider two of the > most knowledgeable) what Van's view is of servo controlled rudder trim. > Both replied (independently of course) that it is not needed. That left > me wondering about the rudder trim on commercially built, high > performance aircraft. What better place to find out than to stroll over > to the commercial exhibits. Here is what I found. > > The Bonanza has a 2.25" by 11" trim tab held onto the rudder by a > comparable sized strip of aluminum on each side riveted to the rudder > and to the trim tab. > > > The Cirrus has a 2.5" by 8" tab riveted to one side of the rudder. > > The Columbia/Cessna 350/400 has the trim tab riveted to one side of the > rudder. It is also slotted as shown in the picture. > > After talking with several Mooney salespeople, I was told that the > airplane has a servo that is linked to the rudder control rod in a > manner that effectively changes its length providing a trim effect. I > was told by Cessna salespeople that the Skylane uses a servo and spring > arrangement to adjust the tension on the rudder control cables. Thus > there are a variety of methods used by the commercial manufacturers, > almost as many as used by RV-10 builders. :-) > > Upon reflection, I have decided to rivet a tab, size yet to be > determined, to one side of the rudder. It is a simple, inexpensive, > ground adjustable solution in use by a number of high performance > commercial airplane manufacturers. > > Dave > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dave Fritzsche > > 40813 > > Puyallup, WA > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:37 AM PST US From: "Bob Kaufmann" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink I would like to be on the end of the list, Bob Kaufmann 7602 Grove Acre Court Las Vegas, NV 89131 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote: > John; > > Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks. > > Will send on to Don McDonald in California. > > Fred Williams If possible, please add me to the end of the list. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198623#198623 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:42 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Can you guys please add me to the list for the Countersink? My particulars are on the Builders list and I can send my full mailing address to whoever. Thanks Bill Watson Lew Gallagher wrote: > > OK Gary, I got your address. > > Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail you the updated list and corresponding labels. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:32 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: need part numbers Anyone have the Cleveland part numbers for the main wheel and nose wheel? also need brake lining Cleveland number. I thought I recorded them before I discarded the boxes but can not find. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:15 PM PST US From: "Roger Standley" Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? I am at home - plane is at hangar... ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:25 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink Bob, Just borrow mine when you need it. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kaufmann" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink I would like to be on the end of the list, Bob Kaufmann 7602 Grove Acre Court Las Vegas, NV 89131 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote: > John; > > Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks. > > Will send on to Don McDonald in California. > > Fred Williams If possible, please add me to the end of the list. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198623#198623 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:37 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number CH48110-1 CHAMPION OIL FILTER _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Standley Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? I am at home - plane is at hangar... ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:38 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number Mine has a Champion CH48108-1 Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Standley" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 12:04:20 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:42 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. Where did you get your engine? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote: > > Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? > I am at home - plane is at hangar... > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:08 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number my reply was based on a standard engine as supplied by Vans/Lycoming. no adapter. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jesse Saint Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. Where did you get your engine? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote: Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? I am at home - plane is at hangar... http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:35 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number And mine is on the 90 degree adapter with 1.75" spacer. Rick Sked 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Saint" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:25:25 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Oil Filter Part Number It depends on if and what 90 degree adapter you have. =C2-Where did you g et your engine? do not archive Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Aug 16, 2008, at 3:04 PM, Roger Standley wrote: Anyone have the part number for the IO-540 D4A5 oil filter? I am at home - plane is at hangar... http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV1 0-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com hre f="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contri bution ==== ======================= == ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:51 PM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > OK Gary, I got your address. > > Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail > you the updated list and corresponding labels. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:26 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the country...One came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for the project...kinda funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but at two holes per aircraft...maybe not. Rick Sked 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Leikam" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > OK Gary, I got your address. > > Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail > you the updated list and corresponding labels. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:44 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes It's almost as funny as the stolen Bob's Big Boy statue that had it's picture taken all over the place. :) lol...That was ingenius!! Rick S. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Leikam" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lew Gallagher" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > OK Gary, I got your address. > > Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail > you the updated list and corresponding labels. > > Later, - Lew > > -------- > non-pilot > crazy about building > NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 > Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:20 PM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator? "Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits. The head of our prototype shop, Scott McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2) for fiberglass and says they do an excellent job." On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked wrote: > > Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the country...One came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for the project...kinda funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but at two holes per aircraft...maybe not. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Leikam" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > > Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA (Reserved) > Muskego, WI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > >> >> OK Gary, I got your address. >> >> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail >> you the updated list and corresponding labels. >> >> Later, - Lew >> >> -------- >> non-pilot >> crazy about building >> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 >> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:32 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes The Avery permagrit countersink bits work great on fiberglass. I wouldn't use anything else. David Maib 40559 endless finishing On Aug 16, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Kelly McMullen wrote: Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator? "Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits. The head of our prototype shop, Scott McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2) for fiberglass and says they do an excellent job." On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked wrote: > > Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it > travels the country...One came in the set I bought almost five > years ago tooling up for the project...kinda funny to watch it get > so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real quick on > fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but > at two holes per aircraft...maybe not. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Leikam" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/ > Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > > Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA (Reserved) > Muskego, WI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > >> >> >> OK Gary, I got your address. >> >> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and >> I'll mail >> you the updated list and corresponding labels. >> >> Later, - Lew >> >> -------- >> non-pilot >> crazy about building >> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 >> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:38 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes I bought the kit from avery. Countersinking the canopy top was very simple. There is no chance of getting jagged holes when using the permagrit bits. I found it wasn't necessary to use the countersink cage at all with these. I'd consider them a must have tool. Ranks right below tungsten bucking bars. -Ben -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator? "Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits. The head of our prototype shop, Scott McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2) for fiberglass and says they do an excellent job." On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked wrote: > > Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the country...One came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for the project...kinda funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get dull real quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's lifespan, but at two holes per aircraft...maybe not. > > Rick Sked > 40185 > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Leikam" > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > > Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?" > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA (Reserved) > Muskego, WI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lew Gallagher" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM > Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes > > >> >> OK Gary, I got your address. >> >> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll mail >> you the updated list and corresponding labels. >> >> Later, - Lew >> >> -------- >> non-pilot >> crazy about building >> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549 >> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:43 PM PST US From: dogsbark@comcast.net Subject: RV10-List: engine cowling I've just started the initial steps of fitting the engine cowling. The directions seem somewhat vague to me. Trimming the opening for the prop was no problem for each separately. When I fit the upper and lower cowl flanges together around the spinner area, I cannot get a good fit while keeping the sides of the cowling aligned with each other. Is this normal? Should I err toward aligning the sides of the cowl halves to each other and filling the inconsistencies in the nose section later? It seems the steps for this initial "nose fitting" is critical to the rest of the process. Thanks for any help. Sean Blair #40225 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:52 PM PST US From: John Ackerman Subject: RV10-List: Nose wheel fairing length Help, please. Amazingly, I could find nothing on this issue in the archives... When I slid the rear nose wheel fairing in place and fully forward against the vertical post, I found that the aft end of the fairing was _exactly_ one inch behind its proper location according to fig. 3 page 48-17. Now the instructions (same figure) say to "TRIM FLANGE IF/AS NEEDED". If I did that , I would trim right through the flange and 1/4" into the body of the fairing. The forward fairing half would be pushed forward a like amount, and the specified cutout(page 48-18 fig. 1) would not even be close. Clearly there is a mismatch between the instructions and the dimension of the rear fairing that I received. Either the fairing is too long by an inch, or the 20 5/32" dimension ( fig. 3 page 48-17.) should read 21 5/32". The drawings all show the fairing essentially flush against the post with little or no cutout. It may even be remotely possible that I'm missing something here. Any ideas?? John Ackerman 40458 PS This particular aft nosewheel fairing is not as nice as most of the RV10 glass. Big mismatch of the halves. :-( ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:43 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink Ok countersinkers, we now know where the countersink is.... my brother just brought us our mail from the shop, and low and behold, Fred sent it right back to me.- Fred, thanks for thinking of me, but there's labels inside t he package, and there was a reason there wasn't a label for me.... cause I already finished with it.- Anyway, Pascal, you're next on the list follow ed by Lew.- Since it's Sat. night, it won't go out until Monday, so let m e know if either of you still need it..... and I'll revise the list.-- Thanks Fred. Don McDonald #40636 Finishing --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Rick Sked wrote: From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink Bob, Just borrow mine when you need it. Rick S. 40185 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kaufmann" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink I would like to be on the end of the list, Bob Kaufmann 7602 Grove Acre Court Las Vegas, NV 89131 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote: > John; > > Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks. > > Will send on to Don McDonald in California. > > Fred Williams If possible, please add me to the end of the list. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198623#198623 =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.