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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Earthing Point (Rick Sked)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Earthing Point (Bob Kaufmann)
3. 06:33 AM - Re: Re: Air Conditioning (Doug Preston)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel Tank Earthing Point (Kelly McMullen)
5. 07:02 AM - Re: N416EC RV-10 for Sale (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 07:22 AM - Re: N416EC RV-10 for Sale (N416EC)
7. 07:23 AM - center of gravity (Lew Gallagher)
8. 08:37 AM - Re: engine cowling (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
9. 08:44 AM - Re: center of gravity (Condrey, Bob (US SSA))
10. 09:40 AM - Re: N416EC RV-10 for Sale (John Cox)
11. 09:51 AM - Re: center of gravity (John Cox)
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Air Conditioning (tomhanaway)
13. 10:26 AM - Re: Rudder Pedal Travel (Paul Grimstad)
14. 10:26 AM - Technologically Advanced Aircraft (John Cox)
15. 10:56 AM - Re: center of gravity (John Cumins)
16. 11:12 AM - FW: need part numbers (David McNeill)
17. 11:42 AM - Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (AndrewTR30)
18. 12:16 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (John Cox)
19. 12:19 PM - Re: FW: need part numbers (John Cox)
20. 12:34 PM - Re: center of gravity (John Cox)
21. 12:47 PM - Acronym's (John Cox)
22. 01:17 PM - Safety First - Single Engine Kit Built Aircraft (John Cox)
23. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade ()
24. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
25. 04:55 PM - Van's Experimental IO-540 (Chris)
26. 05:19 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (GenGrumpy@AOL.COM)
27. 05:35 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com)
28. 05:43 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (RobHickman@aol.com)
29. 05:45 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (Kelly McMullen)
30. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: Countersink & Bracket (Don McDonald)
31. 06:16 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
32. 06:52 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (Carl Froehlich)
33. 07:11 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (pascal)
34. 07:11 PM - Re: Countersink & Bracket (Lew Gallagher)
35. 07:12 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (Rick Sked)
36. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Countersink & Bracket (pascal)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 (Chris)
38. 07:51 PM - Re: FW: need part numbers (Kelly McMullen)
39. 08:23 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (pascal)
40. 11:29 PM - Re: Acronym's (woxofswa)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Earthing Point |
I'm not, the fuel trucks use a clamp to bond the truck to the aircraft, I haven't
seen any grounding points in the ramps except on military installations but
then I really haven't looked that hard for them. If there were ramp grounding
points then the trucks would be using a triangle grounding method, truck to ground,
aircraft to ground, truck to aircraft. Which they may...self serve for
me...nozzel bonds to the tank just like your car, through the metal on the nozzel.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:24:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
Could anyone please tell me if they have installed (or are planning to
install) an earthing point on their wing tanks next to the cap, to
enable earthing of the fuel nozzle prior to commencing refuelling?
Regards
PATRICK PULIS
RV-10 #40299
Adelaide, South Australia
Email: patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Pulis
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
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| Subject: | Fuel Tank Earthing Point |
I just ground to the exhaust pipe with the grounding wire if fueling from truck.
Bob Kaufmann
40125
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
I'm not, the fuel trucks use a clamp to bond the truck to the aircraft, I haven't
seen any grounding points in the ramps except on military installations but
then I really haven't looked that hard for them. If there were ramp grounding
points then the trucks would be using a triangle grounding method, truck to ground,
aircraft to ground, truck to aircraft. Which they may...self serve for
me...nozzel bonds to the tank just like your car, through the metal on the nozzel.
Rick Sked
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:24:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
Could anyone please tell me if they have installed (or are planning to
install) an earthing point on their wing tanks next to the cap, to
enable earthing of the fuel nozzle prior to commencing refuelling?
Regards
PATRICK PULIS
RV-10 #40299
Adelaide, South Australia
Email: patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Pulis
Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning |
I have the Airflow system & my CG is 108.4, EW 1673. I have to watch my
baggage weight as CG goes aft with fuel burn.
Doug Preston
RV10
N372RV
On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, greghale <ghale5224@aol.com> wrote:
>
> The airflow system distributes the weight of the system throughout the
> airplane. Compressor at front, Condenser in the middle and evaporator in
> the rear. My calculations showed the cg moving 3/8" aft. Do not know
> anything on flight systems air conditioning other than they put the
> condenser and the evaporator in the tail. Alex DeDominicis has the system
> in his RV10. You may want to talk to him about his installation. I have
> the Airflow system in my RV10, but my airplane is not ready to fly yet.
>
> Greg...
>
> --------
> Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
> www.nwacaptain.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199195#199195
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank Earthing Point |
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the exhaust pipe is oxidized
and exhaust coated stainless steel(not near the top of the list of
conductors), connected through joints in the same condition to the
engine exhaust ports with a gasket to the cylinders, to the crankcase,
and then to your main ground point. My point being that sparks tend to
take the shortest path. I prefer to ground to my wing tiedown point,
which is attached to the spar that is part of my fuel tank. Maybe it
makes no difference, maybe it does. I've seen a lot of starting problems
that involved poor ground connections to the engine. Your mileage may vary.
Kelly
Bob Kaufmann wrote:
>
> I just ground to the exhaust pipe with the grounding wire if fueling from truck.
>
> Bob Kaufmann
> 40125
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sked
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:44 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
>
>
> I'm not, the fuel trucks use a clamp to bond the truck to the aircraft, I haven't
seen any grounding points in the ramps except on military installations but
then I really haven't looked that hard for them. If there were ramp grounding
points then the trucks would be using a triangle grounding method, truck to
ground, aircraft to ground, truck to aircraft. Which they may...self serve for
me...nozzel bonds to the tank just like your car, through the metal on the nozzel.
>
> Rick Sked
> 40185
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick Pulis" <patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au>
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:24:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
>
>
> Could anyone please tell me if they have installed (or are planning to
> install) an earthing point on their wing tanks next to the cap, to
> enable earthing of the fuel nozzle prior to commencing refuelling?
>
> Regards
>
> PATRICK PULIS
>
> RV-10 #40299
> Adelaide, South Australia
> Email: patrick.pulis@seagas.com.au
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Pulis
> Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 11:09 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Tank Earthing Point
>
>
>
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| Subject: | N416EC RV-10 for Sale |
Why are you selling?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N416EC
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: N416EC RV-10 for Sale
2006 RV-10 for sale. 305 hours TT. $217,500.00 Photos can be seen at http://www.myplane.com/ad/1466
For more information email N416EC@gmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199121#199121
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| Subject: | Re: N416EC RV-10 for Sale |
There are 2 partners that own this plane. They want to go their separate ways
but neither is willing to buy the other out.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199260#199260
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| Subject: | center of gravity |
Hey Guys,
I've been wondering about this for awhile and Doug's "I have the Airflow system
& my CG is 108.4" on the AC thread prompted me to just
ask:
Where is this 108.4" measured from? Probably obvious, but I haven't found it yet,
and other general literature on COG talks about a reference point somewhere
in front of the plane.
It seems to be a very critical measurement. So far, I'm still head-down-building,
but getting closer to needing to know stuff like this.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199261#199261
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Sean,
Don't know if you got any responses or not but we can discuss Thursday
night.
Bob
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dogsbark@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: engine cowling
I've just started the initial steps of fitting the engine cowling. The
directions seem somewhat vague to me.
Trimming the opening for the prop was no problem for each separately.
When I fit the upper and lower cowl flanges together around the spinner
area, I cannot get a good fit while keeping the sides of the cowling
aligned with each other. Is this normal?
Should I err toward aligning the sides of the cowl halves to each other
and filling the inconsistencies in the nose section later?
It seems the steps for this initial "nose fitting" is critical to the
rest of the process.
Thanks for any help.
Sean Blair
#40225
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| Subject: | center of gravity |
Lew,
Here's the info I've got at hand:
Datum: 99.44" forward of the wing leading edge
Allowable CG range: 107.84" - 116.24" (15-30% of wing chord)
Front seats: 114.58"
Rear seats: 151.26"
Fuel: 108.9"
Baggage: 173.5"
Main wheel (right): 124.44"
Main wheel (left): 124.31"
Nose wheel: 50.44"
Bob
N442PM (flying)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: center of gravity
Hey Guys,
I've been wondering about this for awhile and Doug's "I have the Airflow
system & my CG is 108.4" on the AC thread prompted me to just
ask:
Where is this 108.4" measured from? Probably obvious, but I haven't
found it yet, and other general literature on COG talks about a
reference point somewhere in front of the plane.
It seems to be a very critical measurement. So far, I'm still
head-down-building, but getting closer to needing to know stuff like
this.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199261#199261
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| Subject: | N416EC RV-10 for Sale |
Sales of RV-10s are an important and an often overlooked part of the
total build/ownership consideration. It was interesting that a friend
considered making improvements to a Cessna 172 and Vref from AOPA showed
the impact of electronics and such things as interior and other
cosmetics. His decision was easy - new and modern interior.
Unfortunately AOPA does not currently track Amateur Built or
Commercially built kit aircraft values... and they should with 30,000.
Early in the product life cycle, almost 25% of all completed RV-10s were
up for sale. Many languished for months (one N325HP more than a year),
others sold in days... It creates a curiosity and a need to share data
for the many still in the build. Over 150 are flying, 5% have sustained
damage, 2% incurred destruction. The percentage sold has come way down
and the values are going UP.
The reason for selling plays into price. Whether SBs are complied with
impacts final value. Whether the aircraft meets AIGS new
Technologically Advanced Aircraft Credits has an impact. Whether the
aircraft has sustained repairs. What the paint scheme looks like and
also the quality of workmanship. Some aircraft get a push in value if
they have received an award from Sun 'N Fun or OSH such as this year's -
Robert Gray N410RG.
We have a local builder in search of addition partners in a flying RV-10
which has the same identical paint as Wayne Edgerton's striking N602WT.
It behooves partners to retain an ability to extricate themselves so as
not to burden the value of an aircraft partnership. There is nothing
wrong with selling as long as you are not prohibited and the other
partner is stuck too. It is much like purchasing a hangar on leased
land about to expire.
Every now and then one comes along that has a panel so unorthodox or a
paint scheme so unique you know that only its mother and loving builder
could set an accurate value. The market forces can be far less
forgiving. We should all share the dynamics of the market and strive to
keep their value kicking the #$&* out of the Piper Comanche's that their
engines derived their bloodline from. Stein said it best "If you want
to kick #$% - then it's the panel, the paint and the interior that
pushes the value over the top". We are getting a lot of great choices
out there.
Also remember that aircraft brokers make a fair living representing
their commission charged, not the sale incurred. Use the web.
Communicate openly.
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: N416EC RV-10 for Sale
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Why are you selling?
2006 RV-10 for sale. 305 hours TT. $217,500.00 Photos can be seen at
http://www.myplane.com/ad/1466
For more information email N416EC@gmail.com
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| Subject: | center of gravity |
Another way is that your CG (empty) is 8.96" aft of the leading edge of
your wings (in theory). The usable CG is a dynamic which moves forward
and aft from that imaginary point based on your current Load
considerations. Tim did a great job talking about aft of Empty CG and
Forward of Empty CG changes to the flight characteristics in your hand.
Flying forward of 15% or Aft of 30% of the MAC is "Not a good thing".
Sean Tucker safely crashed aircraft #3 when he lost the prop and hub
which radically changed the Aft CG more than 8" beyond the maximum. Oh
by the way, he was on the ground 53 seconds later and he had onboard
video of it. Do not try this at home.
Many builders relocate or locate components with little regard for their
impact on the empty CG. A few builders have announced that they have a
left of center/right of center change as well. One builder took
exception to why anyone would want to relocate avionics off the panel
and remotely mount them. It is all about manipulation of the final
empty CG. VAN has designed us a conservative and flexible platform.
Those flying can comment more meaningfully on this important issue to
insurance rates and flying pleasure.
YMMV
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: center of gravity
Hey Guys,
I've been wondering about this for awhile and Doug's "I have the Airflow
system & my CG is 108.4" on the AC thread prompted me to just
ask:
Where is this 108.4" measured from? Probably obvious, but I haven't
found it yet, and other general literature on COG talks about a
reference point somewhere in front of the plane.
It seems to be a very critical measurement. So far, I'm still
head-down-building, but getting closer to needing to know stuff like
this.
Later, - Lew
--------
non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199261#199261
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| Subject: | Re: Air Conditioning |
Myron,
I'm in the middle of installing an Airflow system in my rv-10. Feel free to give
me a call to discuss.
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, Fl
561space432space5055 (h)
561space682space6668 (w)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199317#199317
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Travel |
Les,
I recall the travel at the cable it +/- 2.25" forward and aft of center.
Paul Grimstad
RV10 450
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Kearney
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 4:22 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Rudder Pedal Travel
Hi
Does anyone know (I am sure someone must) what the rudder pedal travel
is from the lowest point +/- from a neutral position.
Inquiring minds need to know.
Cheers
Les
#40643 - Some assembly required
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| Subject: | Technologically Advanced Aircraft |
>From time to time, I get slapped "offline" for giving too much or too
little information to our group. Some just don't want to embrace the
acronyms that are a woven part of our professional aviation heritage.
AIG is a major insurance underwriter. Those are the guys that inflict
the pain or save us money based on our actions. Training, Transition
Training and Proficiency Training are topics they love. Now it's the
new age glass cockpit. "Technologically Advanced". With it, proper
training and proper care and feeding of your RV-10, the day will come
where real money is saved.
Attached is a primer for those looking to buy an existing aircraft or
outfit their pride and joy. This is a personal decision made in consort
with your better half, your banker, your life insurance agent and most
importantly your valued Avionics Fabricator. Everyone approaches the
subject from their own value system. Just food for thought.
Deems, it's time we primed the pump for Proficiency Training at OSH '09.
I'm still in on the panel idea. <<AIG Technologically Advanced Aircraft
Credit Requirements.pdf>>
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | center of gravity |
John
Since you brought up MAC you might need to explain it in better detail and
in a e-mail that might be tuff. OK pulling out the old Flight engineer hat
for this one. MAC stands for Mean Aero dynamic cord and when referenced, cg
is usually a % of the mac.
In flying the c-5 for almost 15 yrs our cg ran from 41% of mac for aft cg to
29% of mac for fwd cg. The airplane empty an 397,000 lbs was usually at 39%
of mac. And remember this does not include any fuel, crew, baggage, or
cargo.
It really is just a math calculation to figure it out. WG is still based on
weight x arm for the moment then added together and referenced to the
appropriate table to insure your in the cg envelope for your flight
conditions.
I have nod sat down and plotted the cg envelope for the -10 but I will and I
will make a spread sheet and reference diagram that I will share with
everyone.
This brings up another issue I have seen on the list about when people weigh
there plane. I think people do not understand what is required to get the
basic airplane weight.
The basic weight of the plane, Is the airplane with zero fuel, Engine with
full oil as called out in the engines service manual. It the manufacture
states 12 qts then there needs to be 12 qts in the oil system. No
accessories in the plane, no head sets, tow bars, maps, or any pilots
accessories, just the basic airplane.
The airplane needs to be perfectly level on both axes vertical and
horizontal, this is very critical to get accurate weights. The manufactures
maintenance manual will give you the level points.
Once these conditions are met then you can get a good weight and figure out
the arm and moments then your basic empty weight cg.
>From what I have seen with the large variance of numbers that have been
posted here, It looks to me there needs to be some re-weighting that needs
to be done very carefully.
Ok that's my 2 cents worth.
John G. Cumins
#40864 Virtal Stab done starting rudder
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cox
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: center of gravity
Another way is that your CG (empty) is 8.96" aft of the leading edge of
your wings (in theory). The usable CG is a dynamic which moves forward
and aft from that imaginary point based on your current Load
considerations. Tim did a great job talking about aft of Empty CG and
Forward of Empty CG changes to the flight characteristics in your hand.
Flying forward of 15% or Aft of 30% of the MAC is "Not a good thing".
Sean Tucker safely crashed aircraft #3 when he lost the prop and hub
which radically changed the Aft CG more than 8" beyond the maximum. Oh
by the way, he was on the ground 53 seconds later and he had onboard
video of it. Do not try this at home.
Many builders relocate or locate components with little regard for their
impact on the empty CG. A few builders have announced that they have a
left of center/right of center change as well. One builder took
exception to why anyone would want to relocate avionics off the panel
and remotely mount them. It is all about manipulation of the final
empty CG. VAN has designed us a conservative and flexible platform.
Those flying can comment more meaningfully on this important issue to
insurance rates and flying pleasure.
YMMV
John Cox
#40600
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lew Gallagher
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:23 AM
Subject: RV10-List: center of gravity
Hey Guys,
I've been wondering about this for awhile and Doug's "I have the Airflow
system & my CG is 108.4" on the AC thread prompted me to just
ask:
Where is this 108.4" measured from? Probably obvious, but I haven't
found it yet, and other general literature on COG talks about a
reference point somewhere in front of the plane.
It seems to be a very critical measurement. So far, I'm still
head-down-building, but getting closer to needing to know stuff like
this.
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
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| Subject: | FW: need part numbers |
Since I received no answers I decided to answer my own question. The
Cleveland kit number for the mains is 199-104(A) non chrome. This breaks
into 30-59A brake assembly and 40-59A wheel assembly. The linings are
066-11200. You may want to file this for future reference when it comes time
to replace the brake linings. or wheel bearings etc.
_____
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: need part numbers
Anyone have the Cleveland part numbers for the main wheel and nose wheel?
also need brake lining Cleveland number. I thought I recorded them before I
discarded the boxes but can not find.
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
I spoke to Hartzell briefly this morning and asked about the composite prop. They
said to check back in three months.
--------
Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
In less than three weeks, Rob Hickman should be able to give us all the
information we need. Quieter, Smoother, Faster Climbing, and lasts
longer with easier care and maintenance. Now it's VAN that needs to
tell us the price.
John
600
KUAO
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AndrewTR30
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
I spoke to Hartzell briefly this morning and asked about the composite
prop. They said to check back in three months.
--------
Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
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| Subject: | FW: need part numbers |
David, thanks for the contribution. I am interested in which Cleveland
numbers Tim James went with to significantly improve his braking on the
RV-10 as well.
Tim had a post on brake lining replacements for DIY. Most builders are
using commonly available automotive grease rather than an aeroshell
product for the bearings.
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: RV10-List: FW: need part numbers
Since I received no answers I decided to answer my own question. The
Cleveland kit number for the mains is 199-104(A) non chrome. This breaks
into 30-59A brake assembly and 40-59A wheel assembly. The linings are
066-11200. You may want to file this for future reference when it comes
time to replace the brake linings. or wheel bearings etc.
________________________________
From: David McNeill [mailto:dlm46007@cox.net]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: need part numbers
Anyone have the Cleveland part numbers for the main wheel and nose
wheel? also need brake lining Cleveland number. I thought I recorded
them before I discarded the boxes but can not find.
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| Subject: | center of gravity |
The Excel spreadsheet has been done and is in the Matronics archives
(Tim and I have them as well). The weighing process is as you describe
but many builders do not achieve balanced nirvana on the vertical and
horizontal. Many are casual with the scale accuracy as well. Many weigh
the aircraft Sans wheel skirts and fairings to get a beginning weight
for the DAR. Those items come later in the Phase One completion (and
may never be updated). VAN has designed the airfoil of the wing and
established the minimum and maximum MAC as you describe. Rob Hickman's
AFS Efis even allows a graphic presentation for up to the minute/up to
the flight Weight and Balance changes.
The large variance of numbers is due to/but not limited to avionics
choices, trim servos, body putty on the composite pieces, size of
battery and quality of fire suppression and noise suppression materials.
All that up to each builder.
What you left off is the aircraft being weighed needs to be out of the
wind and elements to truly get a correct reading. If a DAR blows off
the importance of an accurate list or proper weighing it is in the hands
of the individual builder. If we are building... we should sure know
what M.A.C. is.
Note: When buying an aircraft. Have your Pre-purchase inspection
include a Weight and Balance as part of the agreement. Takeoff 5% of
the price for every 1% of weight variance and watch the seller squirm.
If the Gross Weight is over the VAN approved RV-10 weight, take another
5% for every 1% of weight that is over limit without full FAA spin
testing. Watch how quick the ink erasers come out. Though Dan
Checkoway's weight table has fewer submittals than mine, his is easy to
read and understand.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cumins
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: center of gravity
John
Since you brought up MAC you might need to explain it in better detail
and
in a e-mail that might be tuff. OK pulling out the old Flight engineer
hat
for this one. MAC stands for Mean Aero dynamic cord and when
referenced, cg
is usually a % of the mac.
In flying the c-5 for almost 15 yrs our cg ran from 41% of mac for aft
cg to
29% of mac for fwd cg. The airplane empty an 397,000 lbs was usually at
39%
of mac. And remember this does not include any fuel, crew, baggage, or
cargo.
It really is just a math calculation to figure it out. WG is still
based on
weight x arm for the moment then added together and referenced to the
appropriate table to insure your in the cg envelope for your flight
conditions.
I have nod sat down and plotted the cg envelope for the -10 but I will
and I
will make a spread sheet and reference diagram that I will share with
everyone.
This brings up another issue I have seen on the list about when people
weigh
there plane. I think people do not understand what is required to get
the
basic airplane weight.
The basic weight of the plane, Is the airplane with zero fuel, Engine
with
full oil as called out in the engines service manual. It the
manufacture
states 12 qts then there needs to be 12 qts in the oil system. No
accessories in the plane, no head sets, tow bars, maps, or any pilots
accessories, just the basic airplane.
The airplane needs to be perfectly level on both axes vertical and
horizontal, this is very critical to get accurate weights. The
manufactures
maintenance manual will give you the level points.
Once these conditions are met then you can get a good weight and figure
out
the arm and moments then your basic empty weight cg.
>From what I have seen with the large variance of numbers that have been
posted here, It looks to me there needs to be some re-weighting that
needs
to be done very carefully.
Ok that's my 2 cents worth.
John G. Cumins
#40864 Virtal Stab done starting rudder
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
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If you have come across an acronym or phrase like CG, MAC, EFIS, AHRS,
Flashpoint, burn rate, viscosity or Thixotrophic or any other of our
daily lexicon and don't feel comfortable asking. Send me a private
email. After 28 years of instruction, there are no dumb questions and
it's the only way ole farts keep up with the young kids and their
I-phone/facebook lingo. If it is a really GOOD ONE we will screen the
submitter and send it worldwide for clarification. If it makes us all
safer, then it is best to ask often.
John Cox
#600
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| Subject: | Safety First - Single Engine Kit Built Aircraft |
The following post is a retype from another forum this morning which
might have value to RV-10 pilots (and builders wanting affordable
insurance). I am acknowledging up front that it involves High
Performance Plastic aircraft (more than 205 hp). There is a kernel of
wisdom and knowledge buried there if you take the time to read. My
apology for those who break out in hives and suffer heart palpitations
at the discussion of other aircraft makes and model.
"I agree with your comments regarding the accidents our
group has been experiencing. With one exception, XXXXXXX accident
pilots in the last 12 months are very low time in TYPE - one gentleman
only owned the aircraft for a day while several others owned the plane
for a month. Many had no XXXXXXX specific training from recognized
XXXXXXX instructors. Over 40% of the XXXXX accidents involve pilots
with less than 200 hours in type.
The poor GA accident record is a reflection of many
factors including the lack of good initial and recurrent training and is
not unique to XXXXXXXX -- it is endemic in General Aviation. You only
have to read the daily faa.gov accident list to see the large numbers of
pilots who run off the runway on takeoff or landing (over half of all
accidents). I frequently review accident reports where the accident
pilot had not flown with an instructor on years -- much less the
required flight review every 24 months. Why are these pilots reluctant
to get good training? Cost? Availability? Schedule? Ego?
If we as a group do not turn around our accident rate no
one will be able to insure a XXX or XXX or turbine for any price (much
less the 1000 hour pilot with a private pilot certificate and 100 hours
in complex) and most importantly we will continue to lose good friends
and associates in this business.
As I said at Oshkosh, we have to start acting like
professional pilots and insist our brethren do so likewise."
-Written by a kit builder/former Naval
Accident Investigator and current GA investigator speaking at OSH '08.
This is a great time to help our friends and plan for OSH '09. Runway
incursions and communications are a whole other topic.
John Cox
#600
Do not Archive
Practice some common sense
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
Unfortunately, Hartzell won't say anything until they get the thumbs up from Van's.
Our chapter just did a factory tour and they spent quite a bit of time
on the approval process on what they sell. If you mention RV and it's not on
the Van's approved list, they will ignore you. :^(
>
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Date: 2008/08/18 Mon PM 02:15:31 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
>
> In less than three weeks, Rob Hickman should be able to give us all the
> information we need. Quieter, Smoother, Faster Climbing, and lasts
> longer with easier care and maintenance. Now it's VAN that needs to
> tell us the price.
>
> John
> 600
> KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AndrewTR30
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
>
> I spoke to Hartzell briefly this morning and asked about the composite
> prop. They said to check back in three months.
>
> --------
> Andrew Rayhill
> RV-10 40078
> Phoenix
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199337#199337
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
Glad MT and AeroComposite don't take that stance. Hartzell's loss is others gain.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv@thelefflers.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
Unfortunately, Hartzell won't say anything until they get the thumbs up from Van's.
Our chapter just did a factory tour and they spent quite a bit of time
on the approval process on what they sell. If you mention RV and it's not on
the Van's approved list, they will ignore you. :^(
>
> From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> Date: 2008/08/18 Mon PM 02:15:31 EST
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
>
> In less than three weeks, Rob Hickman should be able to give us all the
> information we need. Quieter, Smoother, Faster Climbing, and lasts
> longer with easier care and maintenance. Now it's VAN that needs to
> tell us the price.
>
> John
> 600
> KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AndrewTR30
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
>
> I spoke to Hartzell briefly this morning and asked about the composite
> prop. They said to check back in three months.
>
> --------
> Andrew Rayhill
> RV-10 40078
> Phoenix
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199337#199337
>
>
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| Subject: | Van's Experimental IO-540 |
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's
experimental IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge
before end of the month with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals,
break-in procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump,
starter, etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can
any of these items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
In case you haven't called them, you should get engine log and owner's
manual plus break-in procedures. I suspect you will get mags unless you specify
otherwise. Fuel pump is part of the engine. Starter is separate. Best bet
is to call them and talk direct.
grumpy N184Jm
do not archive
In a message dated 8/18/2008 6:57:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
toaster73@embarqmail.com writes:
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's experimental
IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge before end of the month
with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals, break-in
procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump, starter,
etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can any of these
items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
CHRIS,
I RECIEVED MY 540 LAST MONTH, YOU WILL RECIEVE A 1HR ENGIN RUN UP TEST LOG
(ENGIN READY TO MOUNT AND FIRE UP) , MANUALS, ENGIN LOG, MAGS OF COURSE, AS
FOR THE STARTER I HAVE NOT UNPACKED ALL THE FOAM AROUND ENGIN.
DAVE LIUDVINAITIS
#40466, FUSELAGE, FIBERGLASING, DOORS
In a message dated 8/18/2008 6:57:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
toaster73@embarqmail.com writes:
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's experimental
IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge before end of the month
with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals, break-in
procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump, starter,
etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can any of these
items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
This is partly my fault as I have not finished testing either prop for them
;
it was just too hot to fly it against Dan's RV-10 over the weekend here in
Oregon.
Hartzell will not sell a prop until it is approved by the aircraft
manufacturer and Van's will not approve the prop until they get test data f
rom it. To
get a reasonable price on the Harzell prop you are going to have to get it
with an OEM agreement, and that means from Van's. Getting performance data
to
Hartzell and Van=99s is at the top of my list for the RV-4 and RV-10.
Hopefully, I=99ll have data to them this week.
I currently have over 70 hours on the prop in my RV-10 and I would not trad
e
it for anything. Jennifer and I flew it to Van=99s home coming on S
aturday
and as soon as I shut it down we had a number of people telling me how quie
t
it was when we taxied in. We flew our neighbor (who has built aircraft
engines for years) home with us in the RV-10, and he was amazed at how smoo
th and
quiet the plane was with this prop.
In my opinion, Hartzell is being very responsible for taking this stand
and we should give them the credit that they deserve.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10 IO-540 with three blade Hartzell Composite Prop
N401RH RV-4 IO-360 with two blade Hartzell Composite Prop
In a message dated 8/18/2008 3:23:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Glad MT and AeroComposite don't take that stance. Hartzell's loss is other
s
gain.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rv@thelefflers.c
om
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
Unfortunately, Hartzell won't say anything until they get the thumbs up fro
m
Van's. Our chapter just did a factory tour and they spent quite a bit of
time on the approval process on what they sell. If you mention RV and it'
s
not on the Van's approved list, they will ignore you. :^(
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your trave
l
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
Of course you don't really want those Slick mags right now that require
immediate servicing to correct the recently discussed problems. If there
isn't a starter, that would give you the chance to choose which flavor
you like.
DLIUDVINAITIS@aol.com wrote:
> CHRIS,
> I RECIEVED MY 540 LAST MONTH, YOU WILL RECIEVE A 1HR ENGIN RUN UP
> TEST LOG (ENGIN READY TO MOUNT AND FIRE UP) , MANUALS, ENGIN LOG, MAGS
> OF COURSE, AS FOR THE STARTER I HAVE NOT UNPACKED ALL THE FOAM AROUND
> ENGIN.
>
>
> DAVE LIUDVINAITIS
> #40466, FUSELAGE, FIBERGLASING, DOORS
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2008 6:57:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> toaster73@embarqmail.com writes:
>
> Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's
> experimental IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the
> plunge before end of the month with the "sale" price.
> What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals,
> break-in procedure etc. etc.
> Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump,
> starter, etc...those items actually included with the engine. And
> can any of these items be switched out or left off?
> Thanks
> Chris Lucas
> #40072 Finishing...hah!
>
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink & Bracket |
Countersink is on it's way to Pascal.- By the way, I had my brothers shop
punch out some brackets to hold the front belts up to the canopy when not
in use.- Pics attached.- They're stainless.- I can punch out any quan
tity, so for postage and $5.... let me know.-
Plan is to micro-balloon 2 nutplates into the canopy.
Don McDonald
#40636 - would be finiahed by now, but a kitchen remodel came up to the top
of the list!
--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
#yiv253978072 {font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:12pt;color:#000000;}
Lol...you guys got to be kiddin me...is this a counter sink or a Yard Gnome
...May-I suggest you take a picture of it next to a local famous-landma
rk close to you and blog this thing? The Today show would love it!! The cou
ld call it "Where in the world is our countersink!!!"
I've watched this thread for months, deleting them as they show up, but now
it's interesting!!! This could move homebuilding into the limelight on the
national media!!! I'm not kidding!!! Look where this 1 oz. part has travel
ed!!!
OK...I'll stop..Supper time...but Fox News would love it!!!!...I can see Gr
etchen or Alysin twistin their legs (very nice and tanned- legs on both o
f them)-and tellin all about us crazy, tool-sharing,-airplane builder
s and how we have united!!!
All kidding aside...would it not be neat to take a picture of this thing ne
xt to something famous in your home town and making a story about it??-Th
ose who don't-know me will just dismiss me as Rick S.,-the guy who knew
James McClow...so sad too bad...-- Big Smile :) Let's eat!!!
Rick Sked
40185
Honest...will fly in the next two months!!! really...cringing as I hit send
!!!
-
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:52:26 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
totally my fault! Dr Fred sent it to you. I thought-you were-after me a
nd asked to send to you.
Had in laws and they really confused me these last few weeks. Take your tim
e and send it my way, I'll have it out per Lew's list by end of the week fo
r the next user.
My lesson learned is that the in-laws will not fly with me. Although those
negative G's would be a fun ride to assure they never did again anyway
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Ok countersinkers, we now know where the countersink is.... my brother just
brought us our mail from the shop, and low and behold, Fred sent it right
back to me.- Fred, thanks for thinking of me, but there's labels inside t
he package, and there was a reason there wasn't a label for me.... cause I
already finished with it.- Anyway, Pascal, you're next on the list follow
ed by Lew.- Since it's Sat. night, it won't go out until Monday, so let m
e know if either of you still need it..... and I'll revise the list.--
Thanks Fred.
Don McDonald
#40636
Finishing
--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Bob,
Just borrow mine when you need it.
Rick S.
40185
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From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<gary@wingscc.com>
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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| Subject: | Van's Experimental IO-540 |
What sale?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's experimental
IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge before end of the
month with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals, break-in
procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump, starter,
etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can any of these
items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
www.Vanaircraft.com
go to bottom of page there is a sale on a certain amount of engines.
Pascal
From: Carl Froehlich
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
What sale?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's
experimental IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge
before end of the month with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals,
break-in procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump,
starter, etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can
any of these items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comht
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink & Bracket |
Hey Don,
I've sent Pascal a revised list and mailing labels for the countersink, so we should
be back on track soon.
I like the bracket and will talk to my owner/partner and get back to you.
Later, - Lew
do not archive
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199435#199435
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
Go to vans website...they have an offer going on their engine deal with Lyc
oming
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:50:33 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
What sale?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's experimental I
O-540 engine.=C2- I am probably going to take the plunge before end of th
e month with the "sale" price.=C2-
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals, break-in
procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump, starter,
etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can any of these
items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah! =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV
10-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink & Bracket |
you mean to tell me you didn't send the brackets too?
I would be interested in seeing how they turn out for you so take
pictures.
I should get Lew's list around the same time I receive the CS so as soon
as I have both I mail it off to Charles.
Thanks for sending out the CS.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink & Bracket
Countersink is on it's way to Pascal. By the way, I had my
brothers shop punch out some brackets to hold the front belts up to the
canopy when not in use. Pics attached. They're stainless. I can punch
out any quantity, so for postage and $5.... let me know.
Plan is to micro-balloon 2 nutplates into the canopy.
Don McDonald
#40636 - would be finiahed by now, but a kitchen remodel came up
to the top of the list!
--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 5:32 PM
Lol...you guys got to be kiddin me...is this a counter sink or a
Yard Gnome...May I suggest you take a picture of it next to a local
famous landmark close to you and blog this thing? The Today show would
love it!! The could call it "Where in the world is our countersink!!!"
I've watched this thread for months, deleting them as they show
up, but now it's interesting!!! This could move homebuilding into the
limelight on the national media!!! I'm not kidding!!! Look where this 1
oz. part has traveled!!!
OK...I'll stop..Supper time...but Fox News would love it!!!!...I
can see Gretchen or Alysin twistin their legs (very nice and tanned
legs on both of them) and tellin all about us crazy, tool sharing,
airplane builders and how we have united!!!
All kidding aside...would it not be neat to take a picture of
this thing next to something famous in your home town and making a story
about it?? Those who don't know me will just dismiss me as Rick S., the
guy who knew James McClow...so sad too bad... Big Smile :) Let's
eat!!!
Rick Sked
40185
Honest...will fly in the next two months!!! really...cringing as
I hit send!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:52:26 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
totally my fault! Dr Fred sent it to you. I thought you were
after me and asked to send to you.
Had in laws and they really confused me these last few weeks.
Take your time and send it my way, I'll have it out per Lew's list by
end of the week for the next user.
My lesson learned is that the in-laws will not fly with me.
Although those negative G's would be a fun ride to assure they never did
again anyway
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Ok countersinkers, we now know where the countersink
is.... my brother just brought us our mail from the shop, and low and
behold, Fred sent it right back to me. Fred, thanks for thinking of me,
but there's labels inside the package, and there was a reason there
wasn't a label for me.... cause I already finished with it. Anyway,
Pascal, you're next on the list followed by Lew. Since it's Sat. night,
it won't go out until Monday, so let me know if either of you still need
it..... and I'll revise the list. Thanks Fred.
Don McDonald
#40636
Finishing
--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 12:19 PM
Bob,
Just borrow mine when you need it.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<gary@wingscc.com>
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Experimental IO-540 |
The sale is until end of month, it says 11 engines at that price, but
they will sell any amount of engines at the sale price until 8/30 I was
told.
-Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Sked
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
Go to vans website...they have an offer going on their engine deal
with Lycoming
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:50:33 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
What sale?
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:54 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV10-List: Van's Experimental IO-540
Wondered if anyone could tell me what all comes with a Van's
experimental IO-540 engine. I am probably going to take the plunge
before end of the month with the "sale" price.
What I am interested in is any type of paper work or user manuals,
break-in procedure etc. etc.
Also does anyone have the specs on the magnetos, engine fuel pump,
starter, etc...those items actually included with the engine. And can
any of these items be switched out or left off?
Thanks
Chris Lucas
#40072 Finishing...hah!
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| Subject: | Re: FW: need part numbers |
I guess I can't fathom not using the specified grease for the bearings.
Automotive wheels aren't asked to go from 0-80 in 1 second. They aren't
asked to take side loadings from crosswinds and imperfect piloting. Tube
of Aeroshell 5 is generally available under $10 at the airport, and will
last for years. Heck, if more than one builder at airport, or local EAA
chapter, do a shared resource buy if needed. I bought a tube of 5 and
one of 6(for prop and other gear fittings on current aircraft) over 8
years ago, and am still using both. Bought separate gun for each grease,
and total investment was under $50.
Kelly
John Cox wrote:
>
> David, thanks for the contribution. I am interested in which
> Cleveland numbers Tim James went with to significantly improve his
> braking on the RV-10 as well.
>
>
>
> Tim had a post on brake lining replacements for DIY. Most builders
> are using commonly available automotive grease rather than an
> aeroshell product for the bearings.
>
>
>
> John
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
I keep hoping the price will be affordable, wife is bought into the three
blade, just not an expensive one, which leaves only MT at this point. I have
hopes but she is really not happy about the blow off last time we spoke with
Hartzell.
Pascal
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From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
> In less than three weeks, Rob Hickman should be able to give us all the
> information we need. Quieter, Smoother, Faster Climbing, and lasts
> longer with easier care and maintenance. Now it's VAN that needs to
> tell us the price.
>
> John
> 600
> KUAO
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AndrewTR30
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:42 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
>
>
> I spoke to Hartzell briefly this morning and asked about the composite
> prop. They said to check back in three months.
>
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> Andrew Rayhill
> RV-10 40078
> Phoenix
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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If you're the PIC, then you're the HMFIC and better CYA per FAR and SOP or some
FNG/SOB from the FAA or NTSB will CNX your ATP/CFI and leave you SOL.
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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