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1. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: counter sinking canopy holes (MauleDriver)
2. 09:08 AM - Fitting cowling (William Curtis)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: MT propellers (lessdragprod@aol.com)
4. 09:34 AM - Enhanced Vision System (David J. Fritzsche)
5. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: Countersink & Bracket (pascal)
6. 07:20 PM - Oshkosh 08 (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
7. 07:49 PM - Re: Oshkosh 08 (Rick Sked)
8. 07:54 PM - Re: Oshkosh 08 (Deems Davis)
9. 08:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh 08 (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
10. 08:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh 08 (cloudvalley@comcast.net)
11. 11:44 PM - Options (eric Ison)
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| Subject: | Re: counter sinking canopy holes |
That sounds good to me. I think I'll get the Permagrit set.
Consistent with my realization that 'grit' type saws and cutters just
melt composites. They last and do a faster cleaner job. Didn't know
there were countersinks.
I say again (as I finish buttoning up my QB wings), the smaller, denser
tungsten bar is real nice - but so is the larger size of the steel. I
can't imagine using a large tungsten bar but sometimes my mitts need a
larger size bar to get a good grip... and sometimes I just can't get my
mitts in there with a big 'ol steel bar.
You've got to love the tools.
Bill
Ben Westfall wrote:
>
> I bought the kit from avery. Countersinking the canopy top was very simple.
> There is no chance of getting jagged holes when using the permagrit bits. I
> found it wasn't necessary to use the countersink cage at all with these.
>
> I'd consider them a must have tool. Ranks right below tungsten bucking
> bars.
>
> -Ben
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>
>
> Has anyone looked into the bits mentioned in Feb Rvator?
> "Of course, fiberglass will destroy those expensive countersink bits.
> The head of our prototype shop, Scott
> McDaniels, uses Permagrit countersinking bits (Avery p/n LC1 and LC2)
> for fiberglass and says they do an excellent
> job."
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Nope...just a standard 5/16 countersink...that lives on as it travels the
>>
> country...One came in the set I bought almost five years ago tooling up for
> the project...kinda funny to watch it get so much attention. FWIW, tools get
> dull real quick on fiberglass...this bit has to be getting close to it's
> lifespan, but at two holes per aircraft...maybe not.
>
>> Rick Sked
>> 40185
>> do not archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Leikam" <daveleikam@wi.rr.com>
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:22:55 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>>
>>
>> Is this some sort of "Super Countersink Tool?"
>>
>> Dave Leikam
>> RV-10 #40496
>> N89DA (Reserved)
>> Muskego, WI
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
>> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:20 AM
>> Subject: RV10-List: Re: counter sinking canopy holes
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> OK Gary, I got your address.
>>>
>>> Pascal, has the countersink arrived yet? If so, let me know and I'll
>>>
> mail
>
>>> you the updated list and corresponding labels.
>>>
>>> Later, - Lew
>>>
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>>> non-pilot
>>> crazy about building
>>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>>> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>>>
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>>> Read this topic online here:
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>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=198897#198897
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Can anyone that have their prop and spinner mounted, confirm that the distance
from the face of the starter ring gear to the spinner is 1.75"?
I don't have my prop yet and I want to fit the cowling by mounting a flat plate
at 1.625" (1.75 - 1/8") from the face of the starter ring gear to fit the cowling.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Re: MT propellers |
Hi All,
Van's Aircraft sells the MT Propeller shipped disassembled?to the closest MT Propeller?assembly
to you.? The $360 shipping cost for shipping disassembled is
included in Van's price for the MT Propeller.
Less Drag Products, Inc. matches Van's price, except the $360 disassembled shipping
cost can be applied to the cost of shipping the propeller assembled to the
closest international airport to the customer.? The shipping method is discussed
with the customer, since the total cost is affected, and shipping?handling
capabilities of each customer vary so greatly.
As has been already stated, the customer will need to pay for the propeller?assembly
($350 to $800) plus transportation to themselves from the assembly facility.?
Included in this cost is a customs fee of about $30 for processing the customs?paperwork.?
This fee is charged to the receiving assembly facility.
Until recently, all MT Propeller?shipments were made?by UPS.? The UPS?shipping?system
has been?consistent and predictable.? Shipments disassembled to an authorized
MT propeller assembly facility arriver within two days.? The same for assembled
propellers sent to the closest international airport to the customer.
Rick Sked has talked about the FEDEX delivery of his assembled?MT Propeller to
the closest international airport to him.? A few FEDEX deliveries have been made
fairly recently.? It has been my experience, like Rick Sked's, that the FEDEX?deliveries
do not go as?smoothly as the UPS delivered.? Particularly with FEDEX's
handling of the customs paperwork.
In all fairness to FEDEX, this could be a result of our own ever changing?homeland
security requirements.
Less Drag Products, Inc. tries to go over the shipping options in detail with each
customer to work with their requirements.
I have including MT Propeller in the distribution of this Email so they can have
the opportunity to review their shipping procedures.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
Less Drag Products, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: Don McDonald <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 9:33 pm
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT propellers
I ordered mine through Van's.? It was delivered to Redding (American Propellor?)
and they had it assembled ($600 +-) and free delivery since they were delivery
others in the area at the same time.? No problems whatsover.
Don McDonald
#40636
--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT propellers
Mine came in the box from the factory assembled and tested...Jim said it was the
easiest way..and short of customs...it was. Since it came FedEx international
customs required the package to be declared and inspected...of which I wasn't
good enough to do along with them.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:36:04 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT propellers
I admit that deceiving since Van's specifically states when ordering? "Prices include
shipping from Germany to the nearest assembly center (see reverse). The
customer is responsible for choosing the appropriate assembly center, assembly
charges and shipping charges (if any) between the assembly center and final
destination."
?
Why did you need to do anything with customs? I would think the assembly center
receives the prop and if they do nothing and have you pick it up (at the assembly
centert) than that meets what is advertised, otherwise not what is covered
on the order form.
From: Rick Sked
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: MT propellers
I had to pay an import agent $250 to get mine out of customs, customs would not
deal directly with me. There is no duty for personal use items. It was a real
pain dealing with customs, the agents were not polite, helpful or should I jsut
say they were typical of most government agencies I've dealt with...BUT He
did manage to whip out a whole list of import agents within a mile that he would
be happy to deal with instead of me. Soooooo my next airplane will have an
American made product on the nose thanks to the BS.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gonzalez" <indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:19:06 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: MT propellers
All said and done, does anyone know what the cost are on the shipping of the prop
to an MT assembly center, the cost of assembly and then the cost back to your
door step. These are additional costs that need to be worked into the equation.
?
Thanks,
?
John Gonzalez 409
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| Subject: | Enhanced Vision System |
I noticed two vendors offering enhanced vision systems at AirVenture.
They have come down in price significantly and hopefully will continue
the downward trend. Has anyone had experience using one? I believe
Husky was the first commercial builder to offer one last year. They
look like they could provide a significant safety benefit. The two
products I saw were the FLIR EVS3 and the Forward Vision EVS-100.
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Fritzsche
Professor, Retired
Penn State
E-mail: fritzsch@eskimo.com
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink & Bracket |
After deferring enough times the countersink arrived (Thanks Don!) and
at the perfect time too, used (still seems to have life left in the
countersink) holding off until I receive the updated list with Labels
from Lew to send to Charles Usery.
Thanks Lew for leading this effort, sure seems a shame to buy a
countersink and use it for two holes so this shipping around the country
is a great effort.
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink & Bracket
Countersink is on it's way to Pascal. By the way, I had my
brothers shop punch out some brackets to hold the front belts up to the
canopy when not in use. Pics attached. They're stainless. I can punch
out any quantity, so for postage and $5.... let me know.
Plan is to micro-balloon 2 nutplates into the canopy.
Don McDonald
#40636 - would be finiahed by now, but a kitchen remodel came up
to the top of the list!
--- On Sun, 8/17/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 5:32 PM
Lol...you guys got to be kiddin me...is this a counter sink or a
Yard Gnome...May I suggest you take a picture of it next to a local
famous landmark close to you and blog this thing? The Today show would
love it!! The could call it "Where in the world is our countersink!!!"
I've watched this thread for months, deleting them as they show
up, but now it's interesting!!! This could move homebuilding into the
limelight on the national media!!! I'm not kidding!!! Look where this 1
oz. part has traveled!!!
OK...I'll stop..Supper time...but Fox News would love it!!!!...I
can see Gretchen or Alysin twistin their legs (very nice and tanned
legs on both of them) and tellin all about us crazy, tool sharing,
airplane builders and how we have united!!!
All kidding aside...would it not be neat to take a picture of
this thing next to something famous in your home town and making a story
about it?? Those who don't know me will just dismiss me as Rick S., the
guy who knew James McClow...so sad too bad... Big Smile :) Let's
eat!!!
Rick Sked
40185
Honest...will fly in the next two months!!! really...cringing as
I hit send!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "pascal" <pascal@rv10builder.net>
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 4:52:26 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
totally my fault! Dr Fred sent it to you. I thought you were
after me and asked to send to you.
Had in laws and they really confused me these last few weeks.
Take your time and send it my way, I'll have it out per Lew's list by
end of the week for the next user.
My lesson learned is that the in-laws will not fly with me.
Although those negative G's would be a fun ride to assure they never did
again anyway
Pascal
From: Don McDonald
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:45 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Ok countersinkers, we now know where the countersink
is.... my brother just brought us our mail from the shop, and low and
behold, Fred sent it right back to me. Fred, thanks for thinking of me,
but there's labels inside the package, and there was a reason there
wasn't a label for me.... cause I already finished with it. Anyway,
Pascal, you're next on the list followed by Lew. Since it's Sat. night,
it won't go out until Monday, so let me know if either of you still need
it..... and I'll revise the list. Thanks Fred.
Don McDonald
#40636
Finishing
--- On Sat, 8/16/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 12:19 PM
Bob,
Just borrow mine when you need it.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:04:01 AM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
I would like to be on the end of the list,
Bob Kaufmann
7602 Grove Acre Court
Las Vegas, NV 89131
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
<gary@wingscc.com>
drfred(at)suddenlinkmail. wrote:
> John;
>
> Received and countersunk the 5/16 holes for the seat belts. Thanks.
>
> Will send on to Don McDonald in California.
>
> Fred Williams
If possible, please add me to the end of the list.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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Hello,
Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at Oshkosh
this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't find them now.
Thanks.
Brian..former RV10 builder
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<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
<DIV>Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at Oshkosh
this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't find them now.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian..former RV10 builder</DIV>
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AS much as I hate to do this...
www.deemsrv10.com
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:19:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh 08
Hello,
Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at Oshkosh
this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't find them now.
Thanks.
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here's the link:
http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202008/RV10%20HQ%20Mug%20Shots/index.html
Deems
cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
> Hello,
> Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at
> Oshkosh this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't
> find them now.
> Thanks.
> Brian..former RV10 builder
> *
>
> *
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Hi Rick
Thanks!
Brian
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
AS much as I hate to do this...
www.deemsrv10.com
Rick Sked
40185
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: cloudvalley@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:19:44 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh 08
Hello,
Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at Oshkosh
this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't find them now.
Thanks.
Brian..former RV10 builder
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<DIV>Hi Rick</DIV>
<DIV> Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV>Brian</DIV>
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<P>AS much as I hate to do this...</P>
<P><A href="http://www.deemsrv10.com/">www.deemsrv10.com</A></P>
<P>Rick Sked</P>
<P>40185</P>
<P>do not archive</P>
<P> </P>
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Wednesday, August 20, 2008 7:19:44 PM (GMT-0800)
America/Los_Angeles<BR>Subject: RV10-List: Oshkosh 08<BR><BR></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>Hello,</DIV>
<DIV>Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at Oshkosh
this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't find them now.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks.</DIV>
<DIV>Brian..former RV10 builder</DIV><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" color=#000000
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Hello Deems,
Thanks!
Brian
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Deems Davis <deemsdavis@cox.net>
>
> here's the link:
>
> http://deemsrv10.com/album/OSHKOSH%202008/RV10%20HQ%20Mug%20Shots/index.html
>
> Deems
>
> cloudvalley@comcast.net wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Does anybody have the website with all the pictures of the builders at
> > Oshkosh this year? I saw them once but deleted the post so I can't
> > find them now.
> > Thanks.
> > Brian..former RV10 builder
> > *
> >
> > *
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Hello Deems,</DIV>
<DIV> Thanks! </DIV>
<DIV> Brian</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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I am about- to start pounding rivets on the emp cone.- I have done a fa
ir amount of reading of the daily e-mails as well as Doug's site over the l
ast few years, but I feel like I am missing some information. =0AI was caug
ht slightly underprepared when I got to the instructions regarding not incl
uding the tiedown rings.- Then I got the point of needing to decide wheth
er I am using the van's static ports or not.=0AMy question is whether there
is a list somewhere of all of the decisions I need to make?- I know ther
e will be a ton when I get to panel/engine etc, but I would like to know "b
efore starting the tail cone you may want to investigate which static ports
you want to use".=0AI want to make informed decisions so I would like to b
e prepared.- =0AIs there any such list?- Or do I need dig through every
ones website to get the info?=0ABy the way, I love reading the daily e-mail
s.- Frankly, I have no idea what the countersink cutter is all about, but
I love to hear where it is headed next.=0AEric Ison=0A40764=0A=0A=0A
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