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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... (nukeflyboy)
2. 05:02 AM - Re: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 (Wayne Edgerton)
3. 05:05 AM - Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 (Wayne Edgerton)
4. 08:03 AM - Re: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 (John Gonzalez)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... (William Curtis)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Re: Countersink (pascal)
7. 12:54 PM - Brake Linings (Marcus Cooper)
8. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (Bob Kaufmann)
9. 01:34 PM - Re: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 (MauleDriver)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Kelly McMullen)
11. 02:32 PM - Re: Brake Linings (David McNeill)
12. 02:34 PM - Re: Brake Linings (David McNeill)
13. 02:43 PM - oil consumption (Chris, Susie, Darcy)
14. 02:49 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Kelly McMullen)
15. 02:58 PM - Re: Brake Linings (William Curtis)
16. 03:06 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Marcus Cooper)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Marcus Cooper)
18. 03:20 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Marcus Cooper)
19. 03:47 PM - Re: oil consumption (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
20. 03:56 PM - Re: oil consumption (Chris, Susie, Darcy)
21. 04:06 PM - Re: Brake Linings (Tim Olson)
22. 05:11 PM - Re: Brake Linings (David McNeill)
23. 05:11 PM - Re: Re: Countersink (pascal)
24. 05:15 PM - Re: Brake Linings (David McNeill)
25. 05:16 PM - O-540 A2B? (Andy Turner)
26. 05:18 PM - Re: Brake Linings (David McNeill)
27. 07:13 PM - Re: O-540 A2B? (Jesse Saint)
28. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade (pascal)
29. 08:38 PM - QB Wing Questions (LES KEARNEY)
30. 09:42 PM - Re: QB Wing Questions (Dave Leikam)
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... |
Matt,
On the RV-10, the elevator is a 3-piece rivited trailing edge. I am not that familiar
with the RV-8 but it looks like my RV-6. I have never heard of any flutter
issues on the elevator due to this condition and your problem appears to
be primarily esthetic. Bending the trailing edges is always a little tricky
and on the ailerons, too little (or too much) can cause one wing to be "heavy".
Van talks about this in the manual and you can correct the heavy wing by pinching
the trailing edge, ie, make the radius smaller. The slight bowing on the
skin is also of no concern, and under flight loads the skins will do this regardless.
Since your radius is within spec, I don't see a safety issue here. The only problem
is is whether or not you can live with it.
--------
Dave Moore
RV-6 flying
RV-10 QB building fuselage
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0227#200227
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| Subject: | Re: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 |
I don't see any real downside to installing speed brakes but in my case
I wouldn't see any real advantage for my type of flying. I've got around
200 hours on it now and I've not had any difficulty slowing it down. If
you want to descend and not pick up speed the old side slip works fine.
If you want to slow down quickly pull back the power and raise the nose.
I'm not saying speed brakes wouldn't be interesting to have but for me
they probably would be used much.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 |
I forgot to say that I'm glider rated so I'm use to using speed brakes
and they are the life blood of the glider but the 10 is definitely not a
glider. Chop the power and she wants to come down.
Wayne Edgerton
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----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Edgerton
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10
I don't see any real downside to installing speed brakes but in my case
I wouldn't see any real advantage for my type of flying. I've got around
200 hours on it now and I've not had any difficulty slowing it down. If
you want to descend and not pick up speed the old side slip works fine.
If you want to slow down quickly pull back the power and raise the nose.
I'm not saying speed brakes wouldn't be interesting to have but for me
they probably would be used much.
Wayne Edgerton N602WT
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| Subject: | Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 |
To call them speed brakes on a sailplane is incorrect as mentioned before. To use
them to reduce speed may cause real problems, as in very hard landing even
at high speed. Correctly, they are for altitude loss and control, causing the
glider wing to be less efficient.
A real speed brake....think of an A-1 Skyraider with those barn doors that come
out of the side of the fuselage so they can point the nose straight down at the
ground and not overspeed.
About to put the sailplane away and get back to building.
JOhn G.
________________________________
> From: wayne.e@grandecom.net
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10
> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:05:12 -0500
>
> I forgot to say that I'm glider rated so I'm use to using speed brakes and they
are the life blood of the glider but the 10 is definitely not a glider. Chop
the power and she wants to come down.
>
> Wayne Edgerton
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Wayne Edgerton
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10
>
> I don't see any real downside to installing speed brakes but in my case I wouldn't
see any real advantage for my type of flying. I've got around 200 hours
on it now and I've not had any difficulty slowing it down. If you want to descend
and not pick up speed the old side slip works fine. If you want to slow down
quickly pull back the power and raise the nose.
>
> I'm not saying speed brakes wouldn't be interesting to have but for me they probably
would be used much.
>
> Wayne Edgerton N602WT
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... |
Yeah, this happened to my first trim tabs. Fortunately, or un, the trim tab is
the only flying surface of the -10 that uses this construction technique. Us
9 & 10 builders have the AEX extrusion and Proseal to contend with for our flying
surfaces with their own "got ya's." With the trim tabs, I created a brake
from 2X4 to provide a more continuous mold while curing than the V brackets called
for in the plans.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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> Dear Listers,
>
> Backing into the garage today I noticed the elevator skin bowing at
> the trailing edge in the review mirror because of the way the light
> was hitting it. Basically what the deal is I think is that I bent
> the trailing edge of the elevators more than necessary. So, when I
> pulled the leading edge apart to fit it over the spar, I now have a
> concave bowing effect between some of the bays. Van's goes to great
> lengths in the manual to make sure that bend the elevator trailing
> edges *enough*, but doesn't make mention of what is "too much". The
> radius of the trailing edge is still within spec and there is no
> cracking or stress marks. Its just bent too much and looks like of
> stupid. Somehow, I did the rudder perfectly, but both elevators
> suffer from the effect. I've included some pictures below.
>
> What the common thought on this issue? Are the safety/flutter issues
> with over-bending as I have done? What to do...?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880
> RV-8 Fuse/Wing QB Kit Delivery Next Week! (Ordered May 20 2008)
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Charles;
The countersink is on it's way to you and should arrive in the next day or
so.
I have the labels Lew sent enclosed for Gary.
Thanks Lew ! Also the builder that owns and is sharing the countersink.
Sorry forget your name but I appreciate it nevertheless.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
>
> Hey Don,
>
> I was wondering if/why Fred sent it back to you and where it was. Here is
> the revised list:
>
> 10) Pascal Reid
> 11) Charles Usery
> 12) Gary Blankenbiller
> 13) Phil White
> 14) Bob Kaufmann
> 15) Lew Gallagher
>
> And then Pascal has "deferred" and then undeferred -- so let's just stick
> with the list. I'll snail mail Pascal the list with new labels so that by
> the time he gets it and is ready to send it on, it should be up to date.
>
> Shouldn't be too difficult for guys who can navigate across the country in
> intricate flyin' machines they've meticulously assembled! Just cross
> yourself off the list and send it on to the next.
>
> Unless you are installing different seatbelts (retractable, etc.) the
> standard one from Van's uses this countersink for one hole each, left and
> right, for the front shoulder belts, centered in the "hard point" in the
> canopy. The bolts are included in the bag labeled miscellaneous (I think
> #1541), so you don't need to wait until you get the belts to go ahead and
> countersink the canopy.
>
> Of course this is much ado about nothing -- but it's a great bonding
> exercise! And as long as it's still cutting clean countersinks, why not.
> Heck, if I could think of a way to circulate my laser guided dimpler this
> easily, I'd circulate that!
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199055#199055
>
>
>
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It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
anyway.
Thanks,
Marcus
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Scratch Bob Kaufmann from the list.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
Charles;
The countersink is on it's way to you and should arrive in the next day or
so.
I have the labels Lew sent enclosed for Gary.
Thanks Lew ! Also the builder that owns and is sharing the countersink.
Sorry forget your name but I appreciate it nevertheless.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:47 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
>
> Hey Don,
>
> I was wondering if/why Fred sent it back to you and where it was. Here is
> the revised list:
>
> 10) Pascal Reid
> 11) Charles Usery
> 12) Gary Blankenbiller
> 13) Phil White
> 14) Bob Kaufmann
> 15) Lew Gallagher
>
> And then Pascal has "deferred" and then undeferred -- so let's just stick
> with the list. I'll snail mail Pascal the list with new labels so that by
> the time he gets it and is ready to send it on, it should be up to date.
>
> Shouldn't be too difficult for guys who can navigate across the country in
> intricate flyin' machines they've meticulously assembled! Just cross
> yourself off the list and send it on to the next.
>
> Unless you are installing different seatbelts (retractable, etc.) the
> standard one from Van's uses this countersink for one hole each, left and
> right, for the front shoulder belts, centered in the "hard point" in the
> canopy. The bolts are included in the bag labeled miscellaneous (I think
> #1541), so you don't need to wait until you get the belts to go ahead and
> countersink the canopy.
>
> Of course this is much ado about nothing -- but it's a great bonding
> exercise! And as long as it's still cutting clean countersinks, why not.
> Heck, if I could think of a way to circulate my laser guided dimpler this
> easily, I'd circulate that!
>
> Later, - Lew
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> non-pilot
> crazy about building
> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199055#199055
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Speedbrake installation kit for RV-10 |
...to continue down the OT glider discussion
I would submit that the devices used on glider wings serve to degrade
the L/D performance of aircraft independent of whether they are called
spoilers, dive brakes, or speed brakes. Whether you spoil lift or
increase drag - you will come down at a greater rate and everything else
being equal, you will slow down. Cases on point:
- The Schweitzer 1-34, a 60s vintage a metal glider had "terminal
velocity" dive brakes. You could point the ship straight down with what
I assume you would call 'dive brakes' and you would not exceed Vne.
There was nothing special about Vne, but just a good example of the drag
created by what is now a typical glider 'spoiler' configuration. I
understand that more than a few modern sailplanes have spoilers capable
of terminal velocity performance, but simply haven't been fully tested
and certified as such.
- Trim a modern sailplane for a typical approach speed, apply the
'spoilers', and try to maintain the same pitch attitude without losing
speed. Or conversely, apply spoilers and note the pitch change required
to maintain speed.
I'm thinking the banking devices on an MU-2 would properly be called
(lift) spoilers since their function is drop a wing with minimal drag.
The landing approach devices on gliders do varying amounts of lift
spoiling and drag increasing based on their design but few are primarily
'spoilers' and most are very effective dive/speed brakes by design. And
some like those on the Schweitzer 2-22 are excellent side slip trainers
because they barely do anything at all.
OK, I've returned home aboard the Maule on a very nice soaring day her
in NC. Now I'm ready to go do some building before this weekend gets away.
John Gonzalez wrote:
>
> To call them speed brakes on a sailplane is incorrect as mentioned before. To
use them to reduce speed may cause real problems, as in very hard landing even
at high speed. Correctly, they are for altitude loss and control, causing the
glider wing to be less efficient.
>
> A real speed brake....think of an A-1 Skyraider with those barn doors that come
out of the side of the fuselage so they can point the nose straight down at
the ground and not overspeed.
>
> About to put the sailplane away and get back to building.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Linings |
AS&S shows Cleveland version for 15.60 a pair, under Beech Skipper. So
tax vs shipping would be the tie brake.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
> requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
> linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
> so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
> happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
> like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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I believe you will find that the Rapco brake linings use same numbering
system as Cleveland but have RA as a prefix.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
anyway.
Thanks,
Marcus
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You might order the brake rivet set and use your hand squeeze on them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
anyway.
Thanks,
Marcus
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For those that are flying after 40 hours I am using 1 quart every 7 hours.
Is this to much? I know what the manual says but if one went by that you
would have to take spare oil on every flight!
Chris
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Linings |
Unfortunately, Rapco doesn't supply equivalents for every variety brake pad.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 2:31 PM, David McNeill <dlm46007@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I believe you will find that the Rapco brake linings use same numbering
> system as Cleveland but have RA as a prefix.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
>
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
> requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
> linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
> so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
> happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
> like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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I looked at these and though it was about time that someone came out with something like this, but then the price makes no sense. $37 for brake rivet set only when the old complete "hammer" version is only $23. The brake rivet set should be no more than $10. For example this 5 piece rivet set is only $18.95: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/rivset4sqzr.php
It may be better to just grind down a set of an old rivet set.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/brakerivset.php
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> You might order the brake rivet set and use your hand squeeze on them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
>
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
> requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
> linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
> so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
> happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
> like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks, good catch on the part number but I read it as price per lining so with
the new price of $16.95 that would be double Vans price. I have a question in
to AS&S so we'll see. If anyone has confidence that the price is per pair please
let me know and I'll hit send on the order. My concern is because there
are several airplanes mentioned that need 1 versus 2 of the same part number
but the price is the same leading me to believe price is per lining.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake Linings
AS&S shows Cleveland version for 15.60 a pair, under Beech Skipper. So
tax vs shipping would be the tie brake.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
> requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
> linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
> so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
> happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
> like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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Great call, now why didn't I think of that?!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
You might order the brake rivet set and use your hand squeeze on them.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
anyway.
Thanks,
Marcus
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I found Rapco's full catalog on the AS&S sight and you're correct, RA66-112
for the Skipper. Unfortunately AS&S site doesn't have them available. I'll
keep looking though.
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
I believe you will find that the Rapco brake linings use same numbering
system as Cleveland but have RA as a prefix.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:54 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Brake Linings
It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
anyway.
Thanks,
Marcus
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: oil consumption |
You're doing just fine. 7-10 hours per quart is normal.
Mine uses the normal as long as I don't fill it past 9 qts, otherwise it
blows it out.
If it's a new engine, don't forget to start taking oil samples at every oil
change once you get past 100 hours.
grumpy
N184JM 80+ hours
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In a message dated 8/24/2008 4:45:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
vhmum@bigpond.com writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "Chris, Susie, Darcy" <vhmum@bigpond.com>
For those that are flying after 40 hours I am using 1 quart every 7 hours.
Is this to much? I know what the manual says but if one went by that you
would have to take spare oil on every flight!
Chris
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
deal here.
(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)
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| Subject: | Re: oil consumption |
Thanks Grumpy just got back from a trip in central Australia and at
first was using more than stated but has dropped a bit. I to now only
fill to 9 quarts as it blows the rest out.
regards Chris
VH-ICY
----- Original Message -----
From: GenGrumpy@aol.com
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: oil consumption
You're doing just fine. 7-10 hours per quart is normal.
Mine uses the normal as long as I don't fill it past 9 qts, otherwise
it blows it out.
If it's a new engine, don't forget to start taking oil samples at
every oil change once you get past 100 hours.
grumpy
N184JM 80+ hours
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In a message dated 8/24/2008 4:45:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
vhmum@bigpond.com writes:
<vhmum@bigpond.com>
For those that are flying after 40 hours I am using 1 quart every 7
hours.
Is this to much? I know what the manual says but if one went by that
you
would have to take spare oil on every flight!
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| Subject: | Re: Brake Linings |
Cleaveland is the ONLY place making them at this point, so
all linings of that part number are the ones you need.
Rapco is thinking about it, but hasn't.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Marcus Cooper wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes of
> requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit with 4
> linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't Cleveland parts
> so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a matching part? I'll
> happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a lot closer to AS&S and I'd
> like to save on the shipping since I have to order the brake tool from them
> anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
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I bought Cleveland replacements at Air suppliers out of Texas. Better price
than AS&S IIRC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
Thanks, good catch on the part number but I read it as price per lining so
with the new price of $16.95 that would be double Vans price. I have a
question in to AS&S so we'll see. If anyone has confidence that the price
is per pair please let me know and I'll hit send on the order. My concern
is because there are several airplanes mentioned that need 1 versus 2 of the
same part number but the price is the same leading me to believe price is
per lining.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake Linings
AS&S shows Cleveland version for 15.60 a pair, under Beech Skipper. So tax
vs shipping would be the tie brake.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes
> of requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit
> with 4 linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't
> Cleveland parts so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a
> matching part? I'll happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a
> lot closer to AS&S and I'd like to save on the shipping since I have
> to order the brake tool from them anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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So looks like Lew gets it after Phil
>> 11) Charles Usery
>> 12) Gary Blankenbiller
>> 13) Phil White
>> 14) Lew Gallagher
>> 15) TBD
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bob Kaufmann" <bob.kaufmann@cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 1:26 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
>
> Scratch Bob Kaufmann from the list.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
>
>
> Charles;
> The countersink is on it's way to you and should arrive in the next day or
> so.
> I have the labels Lew sent enclosed for Gary.
>
> Thanks Lew ! Also the builder that owns and is sharing the countersink.
> Sorry forget your name but I appreciate it nevertheless.
>
> Pascal
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lew Gallagher" <lewgall@charter.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 5:47 AM
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink
>
>>
>> Hey Don,
>>
>> I was wondering if/why Fred sent it back to you and where it was. Here
>> is
>
>> the revised list:
>>
>> 10) Pascal Reid
>> 11) Charles Usery
>> 12) Gary Blankenbiller
>> 13) Phil White
>> 14) Bob Kaufmann
>> 15) Lew Gallagher
>>
>> And then Pascal has "deferred" and then undeferred -- so let's just stick
>> with the list. I'll snail mail Pascal the list with new labels so that
>> by
>
>> the time he gets it and is ready to send it on, it should be up to date.
>>
>> Shouldn't be too difficult for guys who can navigate across the country
>> in
>
>> intricate flyin' machines they've meticulously assembled! Just cross
>> yourself off the list and send it on to the next.
>>
>> Unless you are installing different seatbelts (retractable, etc.) the
>> standard one from Van's uses this countersink for one hole each, left and
>> right, for the front shoulder belts, centered in the "hard point" in the
>> canopy. The bolts are included in the bag labeled miscellaneous (I think
>> #1541), so you don't need to wait until you get the belts to go ahead and
>> countersink the canopy.
>>
>> Of course this is much ado about nothing -- but it's a great bonding
>> exercise! And as long as it's still cutting clean countersinks, why not.
>> Heck, if I could think of a way to circulate my laser guided dimpler this
>> easily, I'd circulate that!
>>
>> Later, - Lew
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> non-pilot
>> crazy about building
>> NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
>> Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199055#199055
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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You can figure about $15 per lining no matter which supplier you buy for
aircraft; it goes on certified aircraft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
Thanks, good catch on the part number but I read it as price per lining so
with the new price of $16.95 that would be double Vans price. I have a
question in to AS&S so we'll see. If anyone has confidence that the price
is per pair please let me know and I'll hit send on the order. My concern
is because there are several airplanes mentioned that need 1 versus 2 of the
same part number but the price is the same leading me to believe price is
per lining.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake Linings
AS&S shows Cleveland version for 15.60 a pair, under Beech Skipper. So tax
vs shipping would be the tie brake.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes
> of requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit
> with 4 linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't
> Cleveland parts so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a
> matching part? I'll happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a
> lot closer to AS&S and I'd like to save on the shipping since I have
> to order the brake tool from them anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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I'm hoping those of you more expert than I in the issues involved with using lycomings
closely related to the recommended models can enlighten me here. I'm looking
at a O-540 A2B. From what I can dig up, this model has short propeller
governor studs, which I think is a good thing, but it lacks counterweights, which
I understand to make it incompatible with Van's recommended compact hub props.
Can one simply use a steel hub prop certified for use with this engine? Are
there any other issues I should think about?
Thanks in advance, -Andy
--------
Andy Turner
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0333#200333
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Check http://www.airsuppliers.com/shop/search.asp for 66-11200.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 5:11 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
I bought Cleveland replacements at Air suppliers out of Texas. Better price
than AS&S IIRC.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Cooper
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Brake Linings
Thanks, good catch on the part number but I read it as price per lining so
with the new price of $16.95 that would be double Vans price. I have a
question in to AS&S so we'll see. If anyone has confidence that the price
is per pair please let me know and I'll hit send on the order. My concern
is because there are several airplanes mentioned that need 1 versus 2 of the
same part number but the price is the same leading me to believe price is
per lining.
Thanks,
Marcus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Brake Linings
AS&S shows Cleveland version for 15.60 a pair, under Beech Skipper. So tax
vs shipping would be the tie brake.
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Marcus Cooper <coop85@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> It's time to replace the brakes and my research has found Tim's notes
> of requiring Cleveland part# 66-112. However, Vans has a brake kit
> with 4 linings and the rivets for $33. I'm guessing those aren't
> Cleveland parts so I was wondering if anyone knew of RAPCO now had a
> matching part? I'll happily order the parts from Vans, however I'm a
> lot closer to AS&S and I'd like to save on the shipping since I have
> to order the brake tool from them anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Marcus
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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I can't speak to the counterweights or prop hub, but if you go with
the Van's FWF kit you will need the long prop governor studs, which
you can pick up from anybody who sells Lycoming parts. I don't know
the part number, but they should be able to look them up. I have had
to replace several sets of studs because the ones sent with the engine
were too short for the MT governor, which is included in the FWF kit.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Aug 24, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Andy Turner wrote:
>
> I'm hoping those of you more expert than I in the issues involved
> with using lycomings closely related to the recommended models can
> enlighten me here. I'm looking at a O-540 A2B. From what I can dig
> up, this model has short propeller governor studs, which I think is
> a good thing, but it lacks counterweights, which I understand to
> make it incompatible with Van's recommended compact hub props. Can
> one simply use a steel hub prop certified for use with this engine?
> Are there any other issues I should think about?
>
> Thanks in advance, -Andy
>
> --------
> Andy Turner
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0333#200333
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade |
Rob;
Are you using a MT governor or the Hartzell governor with the 3 blade
prop?
Any speed test done yet? max speed, climb speeds etc??
Thanks!
Pascal
From: RobHickman@aol.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
This is partly my fault as I have not finished testing either prop for
them; it was just too hot to fly it against Dan's RV-10 over the weekend
here in Oregon.
Hartzell will not sell a prop until it is approved by the aircraft
manufacturer and Van's will not approve the prop until they get test
data from it. To get a reasonable price on the Harzell prop you are
going to have to get it with an OEM agreement, and that means from
Van's. Getting performance data to Hartzell and Van=99s is at the
top of my list for the RV-4 and RV-10. Hopefully, I=99ll have
data to them this week.
I currently have over 70 hours on the prop in my RV-10 and I would not
trade it for anything. Jennifer and I flew it to Van=99s home
coming on Saturday and as soon as I shut it down we had a number of
people telling me how quiet it was when we taxied in. We flew our
neighbor (who has built aircraft engines for years) home with us in the
RV-10, and he was amazed at how smooth and quiet the plane was with this
prop.
In my opinion, Hartzell is being very responsible for taking this
stand and we should give them the credit that they deserve.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10 IO-540 with three blade Hartzell Composite Prop
N401RH RV-4 IO-360 with two blade Hartzell Composite Prop
In a message dated 8/18/2008 3:23:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Glad MT and AeroComposite don't take that stance. Hartzell's loss is
others gain.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
rv@thelefflers.com
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:05 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RE: RV10-List: Re: Hartzell Composite Three blade
Unfortunately, Hartzell won't say anything until they get the thumbs
up from Van's. Our chapter just did a factory tour and they spent
quite a bit of time on the approval process on what they sell. If you
mention RV and it's not on the Van's approved list, they will ignore
you. :^(
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| Subject: | QB Wing Questions |
Hi
This wekend I started fininihsing off my QB wings. When installing the botton skins,
the plans reference step 5 on pag 16-2 that describe how to improve the
"aesthetics" of the wing overlaps.
While the plans suggest removing material from the overlapped skins, they neglect
to say how to do this. The range of possibilities go from a chain saw to a
jeweler's file. I think a sanding block with a fine grit sandpaper might work
but was wondering what others have used.
As well, I have a couple of tie down rings for the wings. Looking at the ring attachment
points, it looks like the there is not enough material to allow tapping
holes for the rings. Am I missing something ?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Les Kearney
#40643 - some assembly required
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| Subject: | Re: QB Wing Questions |
Hi Les,
There should be plenty of material for tapping the tie downs. I had no
problem here. Just go slow, use plenty of oil, and reverse out the tap
often to clear the threads. I then used a small angled pick to remove
chips from the holes. I used a small Vixen file to put a bevel on the
skin edges for overlapping. Again, go slow and steady and keep a
constant angle. Be sure to remove some material from the aft edge of
the skins so they do not buckle and cause oil canning. You'll see what
I mean after you cleco the skins on the first time.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: LES KEARNEY
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2008 10:35 PM
Subject: RV10-List: QB Wing Questions
Hi
This wekend I started fininihsing off my QB wings. When installing the
botton skins, the plans reference step 5 on pag 16-2 that describe how
to improve the "aesthetics" of the wing overlaps.
While the plans suggest removing material from the overlapped skins,
they neglect to say how to do this. The range of possibilities go from a
chain saw to a jeweler's file. I think a sanding block with a fine grit
sandpaper might work but was wondering what others have used.
As well, I have a couple of tie down rings for the wings. Looking at
the ring attachment points, it looks like the there is not enough
material to allow tapping holes for the rings. Am I missing something ?
Inquiring minds need to know.
Les Kearney
#40643 - some assembly required
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