---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/07/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:51 AM - Re: Finish Kit (jfg@aol.com) 2. 12:52 AM - Re: Finish Kit (jfg@aol.com) 3. 12:53 AM - Re: Finish Kit (jfg@aol.com) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (Dave Leikam) 5. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (Rene Felker) 6. 09:03 AM - Fuel Lables (gary) 7. 12:00 PM - Elevator pushrod safety wire size (Lenny Iszak) 8. 01:18 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (orchidman) 9. 01:29 PM - Re: Finish Kit (woxofswa) 10. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (Jesse Saint) 11. 02:25 PM - Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? (Bob Leffler) 12. 02:53 PM - Re: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? (Perry, Phil) 13. 02:55 PM - Epoxy on Trailing edges (jfg@aol.com) 14. 03:13 PM - Re: Epoxy on Trailing edges (Rick Sked) 15. 03:40 PM - Re: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? (Bob Leffler) 16. 03:46 PM - Re: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? (Joe McKervey) 17. 04:03 PM - Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (orchidman) 18. 04:48 PM - RV8-List: RV-8 Empennage Kit for sale on E-Bay () 19. 05:01 PM - Re: Elevator pushrod safety wire size (Tim Olson) 20. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Finish Kit From: jfg@aol.com Thanks Gary.... I guess the direct approach is best! Jim Gilmore, =C2-#40317 RV10 Wings/Empennage complete about to start fuse ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:52:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Finish Kit From: jfg@aol.com Actually, I was referring to the finish kit. =C2-I won't need anything fro m a Van's FF FWD kit, as my engine package comes complete. Jim Gilmore, #41317 RV10 - Wings/Empennage complete =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-- about to start fuse ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Finish Kit From: jfg@aol.com I'm using a Vesta Inc. engine/prop package. =C2-I will probably start or a t least contribute to a storm of dialogue on the topic, but I like the idea of a non-air-cooled engine and parts that are readily available at local aut o parts stores at non-aviation part prices. =C2-Also, not giving up anythi ng to power and relying on a company that produces millions of engines rathe r than thousands is very appealing. Jim Gilmore, #40317 RV10 - Wings/empennage complete =C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-- about to start fuse ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:03 AM PST US From: "Dave Leikam" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting Any problem mounting the GPS antennas on the top of the tailcone? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "orchidman" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting > > > mckervey(at)charter.net wrote: >> For mounting between the doors you can use aluminum tube standoffs. drill >> the top skin the diameter of the screw and the inner cabin top for a snug >> fit of the standoff. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Joe >> --- > > I think my next step is to get the coax connector and go from there. > Guess I will be making a call to Stein Monday. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB > (N2GB registered) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2986#202986 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:06 AM PST US From: "Rene Felker" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting That is where I mounted mine. It has worked great. Rene' Felker RV-10 N423CF Flying 801-721-6080 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:39 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting Any problem mounting the GPS antennas on the top of the tailcone? Dave Leikam RV-10 #40496 N89DA (Reserved) Muskego, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "orchidman" Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting > > > mckervey(at)charter.net wrote: >> For mounting between the doors you can use aluminum tube standoffs. drill >> the top skin the diameter of the screw and the inner cabin top for a snug >> fit of the standoff. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Joe >> --- > > I think my next step is to get the coax connector and go from there. > Guess I will be making a call to Stein Monday. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB > (N2GB registered) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2986#202986 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:54 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RV10-List: Fuel Lables Final call for any one still wanting a fuel lable. I ordered a few extras to get the price break and so have 4 more sets if anyone still wants one and missed the cut off date. Gary Specketer 40274 Flying ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:10 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Elevator pushrod safety wire size From: "Lenny Iszak" What size safety wire did you guys use for the F-1089 elevator pushrod? I didn't see any size specified in the plans. I used .041 and it seems to be binding... Should I use a thinner wire or just make a bigger loop at the rod end bearing? Lenny, #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3074#203074 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:18:58 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting From: "orchidman" daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com wrote: > Any problem mounting the GPS antennas on the top of the tailcone? > > Dave Leikam > RV-10 #40496 > N89DA (Reserved) > Muskego, WI > > --- That has been added to the list of possible locations. I dug out the installation manual and the one I have been using for the 430W is REV B. paragraph 3.10.1 It lists a max coax length of 35 feet and you have to calculate the minimum length. It comes out to about 15 feet. However, I have an updated version REV E and checking it, the text has changed. I have a GA35 antenna and the new text places this antenna in a new category only requiring a minimum length of 6.5 feet and the max still at 35 feet. All of this is based on a dB signal loss that is required for the receiver. If I mount it on the first AL skin on top, that would put me right in the middle of the dB loss range based on 2 connectors and the coax length and having a full view of the heavens. The only down side is that it would be within 19" of my magnatomitor. Guess I will need to call Rob tomorrow and see if they have any feeling about the amount of mag distoration the GPS antenna emits. All thoughts are appreciated. Nothing is locked in stone yet. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3083#203083 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:29:48 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Finish Kit From: "woxofswa" What is the current price for the Vesta package and what do you get for that price? -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3084#203084 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:15 PM PST US From: Jesse Saint Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting Your magnetometer is not much over 18" from your auto pilot servo. I don't think the GPS antenna emits anything. I think it is just a receiver. 19" should be fine, but it wouldn't hurt to verify that with Rob. Jesse Saint Saint Aviation, Inc. jesse@saintaviation.com Cell: 352-427-0285 Fax: 815-377-3694 On Sep 7, 2008, at 4:18 PM, orchidman wrote: > > > daveleikam(at)wi.rr.com wrote: >> Any problem mounting the GPS antennas on the top of the tailcone? >> >> Dave Leikam >> RV-10 #40496 >> N89DA (Reserved) >> Muskego, WI >> >> --- > > That has been added to the list of possible locations. > I dug out the installation manual and the one I have been using for > the 430W is REV B. paragraph 3.10.1 > It lists a max coax length of 35 feet and you have to calculate the > minimum length. It comes out to about 15 feet. However, I have an > updated version REV E and checking it, the text has changed. I have > a GA35 antenna and the new text places this antenna in a new > category only requiring a minimum length of 6.5 feet and the max > still at 35 feet. > > All of this is based on a dB signal loss that is required for the > receiver. > > If I mount it on the first AL skin on top, that would put me right > in the middle of the dB loss range based on 2 connectors and the > coax length and having a full view of the heavens. The only down > side is that it would be within 19" of my magnatomitor. Guess I > will need to call Rob tomorrow and see if they have any feeling > about the amount of mag distoration the GPS antenna emits. > > All thoughts are appreciated. Nothing is locked in stone yet. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB > (N2GB registered) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3083#203083 > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:27 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? I'm not sure how it happened. At this point it doesn't really matter. In assembling the wing leading edge assemblies today, I noticed that my left leading edge skins has two outward dents in them. I doubt if it's coincidence, but they are both in about the same place with one on the top surface and one on the bottom. If it was in inward dent, then I assume it could be filled. However, I don't have the knowledge or skill to address an outward dent. Is repair possible, or should I just resign myself to getting a new skin from Van's in the morning. Thanks, Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:47 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? From: "Perry, Phil" Hey Bob, Can you still get behind them?? Have you thought of an auto dent removal service? Phil ________________________________ From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? I'm not sure how it happened. At this point it doesn't really matter. In assembling the wing leading edge assemblies today, I noticed that my left leading edge skins has two outward dents in them. I doubt if it's coincidence, but they are both in about the same place with one on the top surface and one on the bottom. If it was in inward dent, then I assume it could be filled. However, I don't have the knowledge or skill to address an outward dent. Is repair possible, or should I just resign myself to getting a new skin from Van's in the morning. Thanks, Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:33 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Epoxy on Trailing edges From: jfg@aol.com Can anyone explain why the epoxy is needed on the trailing edges? =C2-I ha ve just finished the flaps and ailerons, and the clecoed trailing edges (wit h dry center wedge) follow a laser line of straightness. =C2-I'm afraid th at if I pry the skins apart enough (everything is such a nice tight fit now) to get the center wedge in with epoxy, that I'll bend the skins outward, an d I will ruin the nice straight edge that I now have. =C2-Therefore, I'd r ather not use the epoxy and just go ahead with the double-flush riveting... Has anyone done it this way? =C2-I went flying with a friend today in a 17 2, and there was certainly no epoxy used on the trailing edges of those wing s! Jim GIlmore, #40317 Wings, Empennage finished, ready to start fuse ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:52 PM PST US From: Rick Sked Subject: Re: RV10-List: Epoxy on Trailing edges Jim, It's not epoxy, it's Proseal. It's intent is to keep everything aligned unt il the Proseal sets, then you come back and double flush rivet the avex wed ge and the skins. Some use it, some don't, I did because the Proseal fills the gap between the skins and the wedge and makes for a nicer finish...not quite a elegant as the corrugated bent to crap T.E.'s seen on the 172. Rick S. 40185 do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: jfg@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 2:55:01 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles Subject: RV10-List: Epoxy on Trailing edges Can anyone explain why the epoxy is needed on the trailing edges? =C2-I h ave just finished the flaps and ailerons, and the clecoed trailing edges (w ith dry center wedge) follow a laser line of straightness. =C2-I'm afraid that if I pry the skins apart enough (everything is such a nice tight fit now) to get the center wedge in with epoxy, that I'll bend the skins outwar d, and I will ruin the nice straight edge that I now have. =C2-Therefore, I'd rather not use the epoxy and just go ahead with the double-flush rivet ing... Has anyone done it this way? =C2-I went flying with a friend today in a 172, and there was certainly no epoxy used on the trailing edges of t hose wings! Jim GIlmore, #40317 Wings, Empennage finished, ready to start fuse Looking for spoilers and reviews on the new TV season? Get AOL's ultimate g ================ ==== ======================= === ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:19 PM PST US From: "Bob Leffler" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? I guess I can take the skin with me in the morning to work. Nothing riveted, just cleco'd. I hadn't thought about that. Bob Do not archive From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry, Phil Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? Hey Bob, Can you still get behind them?? Have you thought of an auto dent removal service? Phil _____ From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? I'm not sure how it happened. At this point it doesn't really matter. In assembling the wing leading edge assemblies today, I noticed that my left leading edge skins has two outward dents in them. I doubt if it's coincidence, but they are both in about the same place with one on the top surface and one on the bottom. If it was in inward dent, then I assume it could be filled. However, I don't have the knowledge or skill to address an outward dent. Is repair possible, or should I just resign myself to getting a new skin from Van's in the morning. Thanks, Bob Do not archive href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matronics.com /Navigator?RV10-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:27 PM PST US From: "Joe McKervey" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? Bob, Take a small hammer and punch and lightly tap all over the raised area.(Don't punch a hole in the skin) This will shrink the aluminum and slightly indent the skin. A thin layer of Super-Fil will finish the job. Hope this helps. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Leffler To: rv10-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:27 PM Subject: RV10-List: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? I'm not sure how it happened. At this point it doesn't really matter. In assembling the wing leading edge assemblies today, I noticed that my left leading edge skins has two outward dents in them. I doubt if it's coincidence, but they are both in about the same place with one on the top surface and one on the bottom. If it was in inward dent, then I assume it could be filled. However, I don't have the knowledge or skill to address an outward dent. Is repair possible, or should I just resign myself to getting a new skin from Van's in the morning. Thanks, Bob Do not archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:44 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting From: "orchidman" jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: > Your magnetometer is not much over 18" from your auto pilot servo. I > don't think the GPS antenna emits anything. I think it is just a > receiver. 19" should be fine, but it wouldn't hurt to verify that > with Rob. > > Jesse Saint > The battery + lead (closest part of the battery) and the AP servo are right at 23". The one thing that might be a problem is the strobe power supply which is 28" away. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3103#203103 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:35 PM PST US From: Subject: RV10-List: RV8-List: RV-8 Empennage Kit for sale on E-Bay I have just posted my RV-8 Empennage kit for sale on E-Bay. Kit number 81777. I am currently building a -10. Details for item number: 140265193528 Listing URL: http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=47907171&site=0&ver=LCA080805&item=140265193528&lk=URL ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:46 PM PST US From: Tim Olson Subject: Re: RV10-List: Elevator pushrod safety wire size You might want to just buy a bunch of .032...you'll probably use that for a lot of maintenance items later anyway. .041 is pretty thick. Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying do not archive Lenny Iszak wrote: > > What size safety wire did you guys use for the F-1089 elevator pushrod? > I didn't see any size specified in the plans. I used .041 and it seems to be binding... > > Should I use a thinner wire or just make a bigger loop at the rod end bearing? > > Lenny, > #40803 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3074#203074 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:09 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting Gary, My battery and TruTrak servo are in the stock locations. I have my GPS antenna just aft of the cabin roof on the tail boom, a little to the right side. My AFS magnetometer is mounted high in the tailboom just forward of the first former aft of the battery. I mounted it on a little 7* tray to align it vertically with the panel. The thing I worried about most was a cabin speaker mounted high on the left side of the baggage compartment rear wall. I was prepared to move it if it affected the magnetometer, but everything (mentioned) works perfectly. I think you're on the right track. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of orchidman Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: GPS Antenna Mounting jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: > Your magnetometer is not much over 18" from your auto pilot servo. I > don't think the GPS antenna emits anything. I think it is just a > receiver. 19" should be fine, but it wouldn't hurt to verify that > with Rob. > > Jesse Saint > The battery + lead (closest part of the battery) and the AP servo are right at 23". The one thing that might be a problem is the strobe power supply which is 28" away. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3103#203103 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.