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1. 01:24 AM - Re: 51% Deadline Approaching (AirMike)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: Garmin GPS496 Antenna & XM antenna mounting (orchidman)
3. 08:12 AM - Re: Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? (Vernon Smith)
4. 08:36 AM - Labor Day South Dakota Trip Write-up (Tim Olson)
5. 08:48 AM - Re: 51% Deadline Approaching (bruce breckenridge)
6. 10:05 AM - Sorcerer Mounting Holes (Jesse Saint)
7. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Countersink & Bracket (Don McDonald)
8. 08:19 PM - Re: Shoulder harness bracket (partner14)
9. 08:22 PM - elt locations (Ben Westfall)
10. 08:34 PM - power off glide and descent rate (Ben Westfall)
11. 08:40 PM - Re: Re: Shoulder harness bracket (Rick Sked)
12. 08:46 PM - Re: elt locations (Rick Sked)
13. 08:58 PM - Aluminum Windshield Fairing (dmaib@mac.com)
14. 09:04 PM - Re: Aluminum Windshield Fairing (Kelly McMullen)
15. 09:04 PM - Re: elt locations (Don McDonald)
16. 09:53 PM - Tach Pulse Generator (Albert Gardner)
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| Subject: | Re: 51% Deadline Approaching |
These are part of the comments that I sent to the FAA on the new proposals - what
do you think?
I like the education and recreation language of the current regulation. It seems
that the words "significant personal involvement in the assembly and fabrication
of the aircraft for education and recreation ", makes a lot of sense. A
time log and or progress log (written or electronic) might have to become mandatory.
Special accommodation may have to be made in the case of an Experimental
aircraft that was started and then sold to another home builder.
If I order an experimental aircraft from a professional builder - I should have
ordered a Cessna or a Piper. If I show up at the professional builder's location
for a few cameo assembly pictures, then try to pull the wool over the DAR's
face, I should not expect an Experimental Certificate. Perhaps, for a fee, the
FAA can certify professionally fabricated kit planes, but they would be something
other than Experimental.
Significant personal involvement should not be too difficult to ascertain with
a simple checklist and careful questioning of the builder on the structure, and
systems of the craft. An experimental owner builder MUST have an intimate familiarity
with all of the structure, and systems of the craft. This gets back
to the phrase education and recreation.
An appeal process could also be implemented for those turned down for an Experimental
Certificate.
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GPS496 Antenna & XM antenna mounting |
OK, where are the pictures and plans.
I want details, details, details [Mr. Green]
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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| Subject: | Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired? |
Kent White "The Tinman" is a great source for working with aluminum. He has
a video about removing dents. His website is:
http://www.tinmantech.com/index.php
Vern Smith (#324 finishing=3B from hence forth N44QT)
From: rv@thelefflers.comTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List:
Can an outward dent in the leading edge be repaired?Date: Sun=2C 7 Sep 2008
18:42:32 -0400
I guess I can take the skin with me in the morning to work. Nothing rivete
d=2C just cleco=92d. I hadn=92t thought about that.
Bob
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atronics.com] On Behalf Of Perry=2C PhilSent: Sunday=2C September 07=2C 200
8 5:53 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: Can an outward
dent in the leading edge be repaired?
Hey Bob=2C
Can you still get behind them?? Have you thought of an auto dent removal s
ervice?
Phil
From: Bob Leffler [mailto:rv@thelefflers.com] Sent: Sunday=2C September 07
=2C 2008 4:28 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RV10-List: Can an outwa
rd dent in the leading edge be repaired?
I=92m not sure how it happened. At this point it doesn=92t really matter.
In assembling the wing leading edge assemblies today=2C I noticed that my
left leading edge skins has two outward dents in them. I doubt if it=92s
coincidence=2C but they are both in about the same place with one on the to
p surface and one on the bottom.
If it was in inward dent=2C then I assume it could be filled. However=2C I
don=92t have the knowledge or skill to address an outward dent. Is repai
r possible=2C or should I just resign myself to getting a new skin from Van
=92s in the morning.
Thanks=2C
Bob
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| Subject: | Labor Day South Dakota Trip Write-up |
For those who like to read trip write-ups, here's one
from heading to Custer SD for labor day weekend.
http://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/flights/20080901/index.html
It wasn't the biggest and best trip in the world but was
still a lot of fun for a short weekend.
Looking forward to getting on more trips now that we're
back in what I consider to be the "flying season".
We tend to do more water sports from mid-june to mid-aug,
so we're back to looking for things to fly to.
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: 51% Deadline Approaching |
Thanks John for the reminder. Mine's going out today.Bruce
PS: Man, that pulled-pork was good. And the deserts! Way too many!
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:49 AM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> The NW RV-10 Builders completed a remarkable dinner on Saturday night at
> the home of Randy & Cheryl DeBauw (First flying RV-10, N610RV). We were
> fortunate enough to have both Dick and Diane Van Grunsven (N410DV) in
> attendance. Dick shared with all of us his personal perspective and
> experience as Co-Chair on the ARC Committee. The deadline for written
> comments is now just three weeks away - September 30th. The FAA would
> truly like to hear from you. Painfully, very few builders have written
> comments on this important policy changes.
>
> One of our members who could not attend asked that I forward to all of you,
> the information from the EAA perspective (the body the FAA chose to run
> with on this) and the contact on how to make your comments known. It is
> not important your politics, or politically correct affiliation. It was
> too easy to forget that not every member of this list is an EAA member and
> may or may not have already heard about the process. Several foreign
> countries are watching the direction the U.S. FAA takes on kit built
> aircraft policy.
>
> Please find attached, two PDFs on the EAA recommended position (for
> reference only 12 pages) and both the email or the US Postal address (two
> pages) for your needed written comments.
>
> Thanks
>
> John Cox
>
> #600
>
> <<analysis-abrules.pdf>> <<EAA News - EAA Encourages Members to Comment
> on Convoluted Proposal for Enfo.pdf>>
>
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| Subject: | Sorcerer Mounting Holes |
Does anybody have a Sorcerer tray on hand that could give me the
dimensions of the mounting holes on the sides of the front? Distance
down from the top of the tray, distance between the holes on center,
and distance to the bottom from the bottom hole (should total equal
1.7")
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Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
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| Subject: | Re: Countersink & Bracket |
Lew, send me your mailing address and I'll send you one of the shoulder har
ness brackets.- Did you see the headset brackets?- Let me know if you w
ould like one of them.
Don
--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net> wrote:
From: Lew Gallagher <lewgall@charter.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Countersink & Bracket
<lewgall@charter.net>
Hey Don,
I've sent Pascal a revised list and mailing labels for the countersink, so
we should be back on track soon.
I like the bracket and will talk to my owner/partner and get back to you.
Later, - Lew
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non-pilot
crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder harness bracket |
Ok, there's good news and bad news. The good news is that for all of you that
requested the shoulder harness bracket only, they went out this morning.... even
to some who I hadn't received ck's from yet.
The bad news,,, which is actually good news, is that I pulled the headset bracket
off my 10 and redesigned it so that it would fit almost all headsets, and also
changed from aluminum to stainless. Also good news,,,, they ran them today
on the cnc, are partially deburred, but now are awaiting the brake and about
6 hours in the tumbler. Best guess is that they will be ready the end of this
week.... to probably ship next week.
It's been great talking to everyone.
Don McDonald
#40636 Finishing the plane and the kitchen remodel
ps. We ran another 45 of the shoulder harness brackets and the first run of the
headset brackets was 32.
[Laughing]
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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I'm considering mounting the ELT antenna inside the airplane on the longeron
behind the passenger side rear window. For people that have done this where
are you mounting the ELT itself? Pictures would be nice.
THX
-Ben
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| Subject: | power off glide and descent rate |
What sort of numbers are people seeing for best glide speed and rates of
descent? I'm curious if there is an appreciable difference between the
2-blade descent rate and the 3-blade descent rate in a power off glide? Rob
have you done any testing in this arena with the hartzell? If so do you
know what your descent rate is? All this talk about cruise performance
between the 2 and 3 bladed guys but so far we haven't discussed the "oh
s**t" performance.
-Ben Westfall
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| Subject: | Re: Shoulder harness bracket |
OH WELL THATS IT!!!! FORGET IT DON!!!! SEND BACK MY MONEY!!!!!
LOL...just kidding, I forget some don't speak "chatroom" lingo. Stainless sounds
great!!
Looking forward to seeing the finshed product.
Rick Sked
40185
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now everyone chime in to bombard the list with our responses!!! Sorry Mike S....I
owe ya a beer next week for making fun of ya!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "partner14" <building_partner@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 8:18:08 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Shoulder harness bracket
Ok, there's good news and bad news. The good news is that for all of you that
requested the shoulder harness bracket only, they went out this morning.... even
to some who I hadn't received ck's from yet.
The bad news,,, which is actually good news, is that I pulled the headset bracket
off my 10 and redesigned it so that it would fit almost all headsets, and also
changed from aluminum to stainless. Also good news,,,, they ran them today
on the cnc, are partially deburred, but now are awaiting the brake and about
6 hours in the tumbler. Best guess is that they will be ready the end of this
week.... to probably ship next week.
It's been great talking to everyone.
Don McDonald
#40636 Finishing the plane and the kitchen remodel
ps. We ran another 45 of the shoulder harness brackets and the first run of the
headset brackets was 32.
[Laughing]
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Don A. McDonald
40636
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| Subject: | Re: elt locations |
Mine is on the floor of the tailcone right of the bellcrank assembly in the
tailcone...used some angle stock atached to the J-stringers=C2-and made
a floor for the bracket to be attached too...pretty basic..There is an adva
ntage to making it accessible in the event of an unlikely water landing as
you suggest behind the passenger...you could actually remove it, install th
e external antenna=C2-and=C2-plug your headset into it easily if needed
.
Rick S.
40185
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Westfall" <rv10@sinkrate.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 8:21:29 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: elt locations
I=99m considering mounting the ELT antenna inside the airplane on the
longeron behind the passenger side rear window. =C2-For people that have
done this where are you mounting the ELT itself? =C2-Pictures would be n
ice.
THX
-Ben
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| Subject: | Aluminum Windshield Fairing |
Has anyone tried fabricating an aluminum windshield front fairing instead of the
fiberglass? I seem to remember seeing one, but cannot find anything in the archives.
I have access to some pretty sophisticated metal forming equipment, so
the thought crossed my mind..............
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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Windshield Fairing |
http://www.mlskunkworks.embarqspace.com/#/windscreenfairings/4528454960
dmaib@mac.com wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried fabricating an aluminum windshield front fairing instead of
the fiberglass? I seem to remember seeing one, but cannot find anything in the
archives. I have access to some pretty sophisticated metal forming equipment,
so the thought crossed my mind..............
>
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> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
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| Subject: | Re: elt locations |
I hope the pics are self explainatory.- Any questions, just email.
Don McDonald
#40636
--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com> wrote:
From: Ben Westfall <rv10@sinkrate.com>
Subject: RV10-List: elt locations
I=A2m considering mounting the ELT antenna inside the airplane on the longe
ron behind the passenger side rear window. -For people that have done thi
s where are you mounting the ELT itself? -Pictures would be nice.
-
THX
-
-Ben
-
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| Subject: | Tach Pulse Generator |
There was some mention of a tach pulse generator that fit on the vacuum pump
pad. Does anyone remember the source of that device?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
N991RV
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