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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical (Wndwlkr1228@AOL.COM)
2. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing (gary)
3. 05:50 AM - Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Steve Stella)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing (James, Peter [SD])
5. 07:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Paul Ohman)
6. 08:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (tomhanaway)
7. 09:06 AM - lights (David McNeill)
8. 09:13 AM - Section 36-3 step 6 Gotcha (pascal)
9. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Steve Stella)
10. 09:59 AM - Wingtips (Fred Williams, M.D.)
11. 10:03 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Lenny Iszak)
12. 11:27 AM - Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (AirMike)
13. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Perry, Phil)
14. 12:24 PM - Re: lights (Steven DiNieri)
15. 12:40 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (Fred Williams, M.D.)
16. 12:42 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (pascal)
17. 01:29 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (AirMike)
18. 03:01 PM - Re: Wingtips (Dave Saylor)
19. 06:05 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (Ben Westfall)
20. 09:16 PM - Torquing finger strainer (Rob Kochman)
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical |
Page 317 of the 2008 catalog. Part number 09-00977 for 1/2 inch but it is
even more pricey.
George Stanley
RV-6A SLOW build-14 years
In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:59:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
Mikeabel@Pacbell.net writes:
--> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Thanks guys. But I only need 1/4" & 1/2" openings. The safe air is $47 - a
bit pricey. Also it is only in .90" size opening - too large . I cannot see
making a firewall hole any larger than the minimum necessary.
Also, I cannot fine the "sleeves" on the spruce site. Anyone have the part
numbers, and I do not mean the "eyeball type".
Maybe I will just wait for the the EPV guy in Utah to reopen. Any other
options?
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Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing |
Absolutely not. It will contaminate the edge and interfere with the bond.
IMHO wear gloves so as to not get body oils on the edge and sand with 120
grit paper. Wipe with slight amount of solvent of your choice. (No matter
what I mention here someone will take exception) Rubbing Alcohol or Acetone
in small amounts are my choice. AS always protect the acrylic everywhere
except the working edge. Electrical tape works well as it is impervious to
solvent and does not sand away during prep.
Gary Specketer
40274 Flying
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:01 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing
Excellent post. On the alcohol bit - what do you think of using mild
detergent instead of alcohol to clean up the edges just before applying the
glue?
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| Subject: | Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
Has anyone ordered or received anything from Rivethead-Aero recently? I
ordered 2 Trim Cable Attach Brackets a couple weeks ago and have not heard
or seen anything. Voicemail is full and emails aren't answered. Has anyone
had luck.
Do not archive
Steve Stella
40654 Emp.
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| Subject: | Re: re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing |
I think a bit of dish soap and clear water rinse would get exactly that sam
e result. I was just too lazy to walk into the house. ...that and water w
on't be gone in seconds, when alcohol will. I think either will be just fi
ne.
Pete #40100 - about done customizing!
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
Good luck. I waited almost 2 months without hearing anything. I had tried to contact them numerous times through email and voice. I then went through paypal to get my money back and i received the trim brackets a few days later. If it were me I would cancel the order now and order through www.iflyrv10.com. A friend ordered the brackets through them and had them in a week. Just my .02.
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Paul Ohman
40810
slow build wings
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with Paypal did
I get a response.
Use Iflyrv10
Tom H.
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I just browsed the Iflyrv10.com website and noticed the replacement HID
lights for $475. they look just like the ones (including ballast) I
installed from www.planelights.com for $275. I used the elevator trim cable
brackets but unable to remember where I purchased.
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| Subject: | Section 36-3 step 6 Gotcha |
Tim;
Unless I missed something in the plans please add the following as a
Gotcha
Section 36-3- Step 6 states- "..Screw the cushion clamps to the
nutplates using the hardware shown in Figure 1."
Figure 1 shows "AN515-8R8, 8 PLACES" If one looks at Figure 1 you might
be led to believe there are 2 holes with two K1000-8 nutplates on the
firewall since there really isn't any other place to use the 2 screws (6
go along tunnel- 3 on each side) .
The Gotcha is there is a (one) K-1000-3 nutplate on the firewall and one
needs to double the MS21919DG4 on top of each other and use a (one)
AN3-4 to bolt it down.
Pascal
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
I guess thats what I have to do, thanks for the info.
Steve
40654 Emp.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing?
My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with Paypal
did I get a response.
Use Iflyrv10
Tom H.
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To the fiberglass gurus out there:
I'd like to fill in the gap on the inside of the wing tip and smooth it
out. I didn't do a great job of getting the line straight when I
trimmed the gap between the wing tip and the aileron. What's the best
way to do this? On the elevator tips we were able to get to the
back side and use some Styrofoam to build it up. Here we have the
metal from the support to work against. How have others' done this. I
have seen a few show planes with all the elevator and wing tips filled.
Is Styrofoam ok to use to fill the space? Any links to websites?
Thanks in advance.
Fred
40515.
Waiting on paper work and DAR. Taxi test done this weekend. 10 more
knots and she would have been airborne. To all the other builders who
haven't flown yet. Get started on the paperwork 3 months before you
think you might fly. I should be worrying about what Vx and Vy are
for my plane and not trying to fill in cosmetic stuff during the
prettiest days of the whole year!.
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
I got my brackets after a month and a phone call.
It still amazes me how could someone do this in such a close knit community. At
least put a note on the site that all products ship sometime in the next three
months or so ...
Lenny
#40803
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| Subject: | Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow |
Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where are most
of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about putting
it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be out of the way
yet available in an emergency.
I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube flo-scan
device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit.
1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical).
2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side
3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by Lycoming
Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would put
together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be really worth
it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders.
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OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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| Subject: | Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? |
I use iflyrv10 when I can. But there's not quite the full assortment of
RV-10 parts that Rivethead has.
So I ordered what I could from inflyrv10 and the rest from Rivethead. I
decided to get upset only once by ordering everything in one shipment.
Instead of getting upset 5 times and ordering 5 separate shipments.
It took about two months with no communication - but it showed.
I really hope iflyrv10 gets off the ground. We need more folks like
that.
Phil
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From: tomhanaway [mailto:tomhanaway@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing?
My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with
Paypal did I get a response.
Use Iflyrv10
Tom H.
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Dave, the technology used in the ballasts are the big difference in
costs. I am currently waiting for results from tests on the new
generation of hid ballasts. the ones offered now are almost bulletproof.
they have been used in oem auto applications from the high end car
manufacturers for some time now. The newer cheaper style ballast have
some promise but until tested properly to work in adverse conditions,
I'll have to hold off on offering them. The ability to cold start is the
primary concern. Perhaps I can add the lower cost ballast and give the
option.
Steve DiNieri
IFLYRV10.com
From: David McNeill
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: RV10-List: lights
I just browsed the Iflyrv10.com website and noticed the replacement HID
lights for $475. they look just like the ones (including ballast) I
installed from www.planelights.com for $275. I used the elevator trim
cable brackets but unable to remember where I purchased.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow |
Mike
I put mine between the fuel pump and the firewall. Good location.
Don't remember exactly where I read it, but they didn't want it in the
engine compartment for heat reasons.
Also, this list is the best information source for the RV 10. I have
gained a world of experience from reading these posts. Also, Tim O's
site has the most complete information. He has also been good about
trying to pull together other helpful information for the rest of us
into one site.
Are you putting one 3500 or two screens?
Fred.
AirMike wrote:
>
> Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where are
most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about putting
it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be out of the
way yet available in an emergency.
>
> I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube flo-scan
device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit.
> 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical).
> 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side
> 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by Lycoming
>
> Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would put
together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be really worth
it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow |
where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced
AFS3500 kit
I plan to follow the plans (section 37-4 fig 3) and put it in the tunnel.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow
>
> Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where
> are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about
> putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be
> out of the way yet available in an emergency.
>
> I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube
> flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit.
> 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical).
> 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side
> 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by
> Lycoming
>
> Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would
> put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be
> really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow |
Just one AFS3500 . Send me your email and I will send pics
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Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
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Rigid foam will work, or even a piece of balsa or something similar. The
thing to remember is that you need to glass over the filler or you will
probably end up with a paint crack at the joint line.
Another way to straighten up the line, if you don't care about filling the
interior, is to extend the upper and lower skins by glassing a flat sheet
onto the upper and lower surfaces of the tip. Think of it as replacing the
part that got cut off. You can lay up a coupon of fiberglass on a smooth,
flat surface to make some sheet material. Then put it in place inside the
wingtip and glue it down with flox and resin. Then bodywork the new seam.
Clear as mud? Give me a call if I can explain it better.
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Wingtips
--> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
To the fiberglass gurus out there:
I'd like to fill in the gap on the inside of the wing tip and smooth it out.
I didn't do a great job of getting the line straight when I trimmed the
gap between the wing tip and the aileron. What's the best
way to do this? On the elevator tips we were able to get to the
back side and use some Styrofoam to build it up. Here we have the
metal from the support to work against. How have others' done this. I
have seen a few show planes with all the elevator and wing tips filled.
Is Styrofoam ok to use to fill the space? Any links to websites?
Thanks in advance.
Fred
40515.
Waiting on paper work and DAR. Taxi test done this weekend. 10 more
knots and she would have been airborne. To all the other builders who
haven't flown yet. Get started on the paperwork 3 months before you think
you might fly. I should be worrying about what Vx and Vy are for my plane
and not trying to fill in cosmetic stuff during the
prettiest days of the whole year!.
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| Subject: | Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow |
For those not attaching the floscan under the cowl like AFS recommends (and
I didn't either)... Don't rivet in the attach bracket to the bottom skin
until you actually have the floscan (assuming afs's). The Van's bracket
holes do not line up w/afs's floscan. You'll need nutplates that fit a AN4
bolt and you'll end up with them pretty close to the bracket edges. The
stock bracket uses AN3's. You'll have to get pretty creative with the
nutplates to get them under the bracket w/o having to a) modify the
nutplates or b) make a larger bracket.
You'll also want to plan it so that you can easily make the tubing that goes
from the pump to the floscan so be mindful of where you "center" the floscan
on the attach bracket. I think you want to avoid a straight tube here since
technically the pump and floscan qualify as rigidly mounted but when things
are snugged up I'd think a short straight piece of tubing would not ever
become an issue. It's such a PIA to make that short of a tube with such a
small curve and I highly doubt that the curve will absorb any vibrations
and/or allow for flex.
I used the 5052 tubing (not the soft stuff from Van's as it is much harder
to make minimum radius bends w/o sacrificing tube diameter) wherever
possible which included this piece. What you see in the attached picture is
probably attempt number 3.
I found it much easier on the back to attach the floscan and pump via the
short tube and torque the fittings then install the whole unit as one. I
also would think one could fabricate a lot of these fuel lines well before
installing the side skins. I think I bent over the damn fuselage for about
a month off and on before I got things wrapped up. If I were to do it again
I'd plan to work on as much fuel line fabrication prior to the completion of
sec 29.
http://sinkrate.com/rv10/pics/P1000023.JPG
-Ben Westfall
#40579 (never going to fly... or at least I feel like it)
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel
flow
where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced
AFS3500 kit
I plan to follow the plans (section 37-4 fig 3) and put it in the tunnel.
Pascal
--------------------------------------------------
From: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow
>
> Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where
> are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about
> putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be
> out of the way yet available in an emergency.
>
> I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube
> flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit.
> 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical).
> 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side
> 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by
> Lycoming
>
> Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would
> put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be
> really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders.
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Torquing finger strainer |
When installing the finger strainers in the fuel tanks, what should the
torque be? Not sure where I'm supposed to find this information.
Thanks...
-Rob
--
Rob Kochman
RV-10 Wings
Woodinville, WA (near Seattle)
http://kochman.net/N819K
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