---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/16/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:26 AM - Re: Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical (Wndwlkr1228@AOL.COM) 2. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing (gary) 3. 05:50 AM - Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Steve Stella) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing (James, Peter [SD]) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Paul Ohman) 6. 08:19 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (tomhanaway) 7. 09:06 AM - lights (David McNeill) 8. 09:13 AM - Section 36-3 step 6 Gotcha (pascal) 9. 09:20 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Steve Stella) 10. 09:59 AM - Wingtips (Fred Williams, M.D.) 11. 10:03 AM - Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Lenny Iszak) 12. 11:27 AM - Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (AirMike) 13. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? (Perry, Phil) 14. 12:24 PM - Re: lights (Steven DiNieri) 15. 12:40 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (Fred Williams, M.D.) 16. 12:42 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (pascal) 17. 01:29 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (AirMike) 18. 03:01 PM - Re: Wingtips (Dave Saylor) 19. 06:05 PM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (Ben Westfall) 20. 09:16 PM - Torquing finger strainer (Rob Kochman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:07 AM PST US From: Wndwlkr1228@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical Page 317 of the 2008 catalog. Part number 09-00977 for 1/2 inch but it is even more pricey. George Stanley RV-6A SLOW build-14 years In a message dated 9/15/2008 8:59:54 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, Mikeabel@Pacbell.net writes: --> RV10-List message posted by: "AirMike" Thanks guys. But I only need 1/4" & 1/2" openings. The safe air is $47 - a bit pricey. Also it is only in .90" size opening - too large . I cannot see making a firewall hole any larger than the minimum necessary. Also, I cannot fine the "sleeves" on the spruce site. Anyone have the part numbers, and I do not mean the "eyeball type". Maybe I will just wait for the the EPV guy in Utah to reopen. Any other options? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4507#204507 **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:02 AM PST US From: "gary" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing Absolutely not. It will contaminate the edge and interfere with the bond. IMHO wear gloves so as to not get body oils on the edge and sand with 120 grit paper. Wipe with slight amount of solvent of your choice. (No matter what I mention here someone will take exception) Rubbing Alcohol or Acetone in small amounts are my choice. AS always protect the acrylic everywhere except the working edge. Electrical tape works well as it is impervious to solvent and does not sand away during prep. Gary Specketer 40274 Flying -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:01 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing Excellent post. On the alcohol bit - what do you think of using mild detergent instead of alcohol to clean up the edges just before applying the glue? -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4508#204508 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:54 AM PST US From: "Steve Stella" Subject: RV10-List: Rivethead-Aero Missing? Has anyone ordered or received anything from Rivethead-Aero recently? I ordered 2 Trim Cable Attach Brackets a couple weeks ago and have not heard or seen anything. Voicemail is full and emails aren't answered. Has anyone had luck. Do not archive Steve Stella 40654 Emp. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:05 AM PST US From: "James, Peter [SD]" Subject: RV10-List: re: Re: Clarification - Weld-on 10 & crazing I think a bit of dish soap and clear water rinse would get exactly that sam e result. I was just too lazy to walk into the house. ...that and water w on't be gone in seconds, when alcohol will. I think either will be just fi ne. Pete #40100 - about done customizing! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:53 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? From: "Paul Ohman" Good luck. I waited almost 2 months without hearing anything. I had tried to contact them numerous times through email and voice. I then went through paypal to get my money back and i received the trim brackets a few days later. If it were me I would cancel the order now and order through www.iflyrv10.com. A friend ordered the brackets through them and had them in a week. Just my .02. -------- Paul Ohman 40810 slow build wings Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4569#204569 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:44 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? From: "tomhanaway" My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with Paypal did I get a response. Use Iflyrv10 Tom H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4585#204585 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:23 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: lights I just browsed the Iflyrv10.com website and noticed the replacement HID lights for $475. they look just like the ones (including ballast) I installed from www.planelights.com for $275. I used the elevator trim cable brackets but unable to remember where I purchased. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:31 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: RV10-List: Section 36-3 step 6 Gotcha Tim; Unless I missed something in the plans please add the following as a Gotcha Section 36-3- Step 6 states- "..Screw the cushion clamps to the nutplates using the hardware shown in Figure 1." Figure 1 shows "AN515-8R8, 8 PLACES" If one looks at Figure 1 you might be led to believe there are 2 holes with two K1000-8 nutplates on the firewall since there really isn't any other place to use the 2 screws (6 go along tunnel- 3 on each side) . The Gotcha is there is a (one) K-1000-3 nutplate on the firewall and one needs to double the MS21919DG4 on top of each other and use a (one) AN3-4 to bolt it down. Pascal ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:45 AM PST US From: "Steve Stella" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? I guess thats what I have to do, thanks for the info. Steve 40654 Emp. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with Paypal did I get a response. Use Iflyrv10 Tom H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4585#204585 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:32 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: Wingtips To the fiberglass gurus out there: I'd like to fill in the gap on the inside of the wing tip and smooth it out. I didn't do a great job of getting the line straight when I trimmed the gap between the wing tip and the aileron. What's the best way to do this? On the elevator tips we were able to get to the back side and use some Styrofoam to build it up. Here we have the metal from the support to work against. How have others' done this. I have seen a few show planes with all the elevator and wing tips filled. Is Styrofoam ok to use to fill the space? Any links to websites? Thanks in advance. Fred 40515. Waiting on paper work and DAR. Taxi test done this weekend. 10 more knots and she would have been airborne. To all the other builders who haven't flown yet. Get started on the paperwork 3 months before you think you might fly. I should be worrying about what Vx and Vy are for my plane and not trying to fill in cosmetic stuff during the prettiest days of the whole year!. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:49 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? From: "Lenny Iszak" I got my brackets after a month and a phone call. It still amazes me how could someone do this in such a close knit community. At least put a note on the site that all products ship sometime in the next three months or so ... Lenny #40803 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4618#204618 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:15 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow From: "AirMike" Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be out of the way yet available in an emergency. I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit. 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical). 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by Lycoming Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? From: "Perry, Phil" I use iflyrv10 when I can. But there's not quite the full assortment of RV-10 parts that Rivethead has. So I ordered what I could from inflyrv10 and the rest from Rivethead. I decided to get upset only once by ordering everything in one shipment. Instead of getting upset 5 times and ordering 5 separate shipments. It took about two months with no communication - but it showed. I really hope iflyrv10 gets off the ground. We need more folks like that. Phil -----Original Message----- From: tomhanaway [mailto:tomhanaway@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:19 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Rivethead-Aero Missing? My experience was the same as Paul's. Only by filing a complaint with Paypal did I get a response. Use Iflyrv10 Tom H. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4585#204585 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:35 PM PST US From: "Steven DiNieri" Subject: Re: RV10-List: lights Dave, the technology used in the ballasts are the big difference in costs. I am currently waiting for results from tests on the new generation of hid ballasts. the ones offered now are almost bulletproof. they have been used in oem auto applications from the high end car manufacturers for some time now. The newer cheaper style ballast have some promise but until tested properly to work in adverse conditions, I'll have to hold off on offering them. The ability to cold start is the primary concern. Perhaps I can add the lower cost ballast and give the option. Steve DiNieri IFLYRV10.com From: David McNeill Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: RV10-List: lights I just browsed the Iflyrv10.com website and noticed the replacement HID lights for $475. they look just like the ones (including ballast) I installed from www.planelights.com for $275. I used the elevator trim cable brackets but unable to remember where I purchased. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:40:46 PM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow Mike I put mine between the fuel pump and the firewall. Good location. Don't remember exactly where I read it, but they didn't want it in the engine compartment for heat reasons. Also, this list is the best information source for the RV 10. I have gained a world of experience from reading these posts. Also, Tim O's site has the most complete information. He has also been good about trying to pull together other helpful information for the rest of us into one site. Are you putting one 3500 or two screens? Fred. AirMike wrote: > > Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be out of the way yet available in an emergency. > > I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit. > 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical). > 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side > 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by Lycoming > > Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631 > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:59 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit I plan to follow the plans (section 37-4 fig 3) and put it in the tunnel. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "AirMike" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow > > Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where > are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about > putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be > out of the way yet available in an emergency. > > I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube > flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit. > 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical). > 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side > 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by > Lycoming > > Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would > put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be > really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:42 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow From: "AirMike" Just one AFS3500 . Send me your email and I will send pics -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4658#204658 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:01:18 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Wingtips Rigid foam will work, or even a piece of balsa or something similar. The thing to remember is that you need to glass over the filler or you will probably end up with a paint crack at the joint line. Another way to straighten up the line, if you don't care about filling the interior, is to extend the upper and lower skins by glassing a flat sheet onto the upper and lower surfaces of the tip. Think of it as replacing the part that got cut off. You can lay up a coupon of fiberglass on a smooth, flat surface to make some sheet material. Then put it in place inside the wingtip and glue it down with flox and resin. Then bodywork the new seam. Clear as mud? Give me a call if I can explain it better. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:58 AM Subject: RV10-List: Wingtips --> To the fiberglass gurus out there: I'd like to fill in the gap on the inside of the wing tip and smooth it out. I didn't do a great job of getting the line straight when I trimmed the gap between the wing tip and the aileron. What's the best way to do this? On the elevator tips we were able to get to the back side and use some Styrofoam to build it up. Here we have the metal from the support to work against. How have others' done this. I have seen a few show planes with all the elevator and wing tips filled. Is Styrofoam ok to use to fill the space? Any links to websites? Thanks in advance. Fred 40515. Waiting on paper work and DAR. Taxi test done this weekend. 10 more knots and she would have been airborne. To all the other builders who haven't flown yet. Get started on the paperwork 3 months before you think you might fly. I should be worrying about what Vx and Vy are for my plane and not trying to fill in cosmetic stuff during the prettiest days of the whole year!. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:09 PM PST US From: "Ben Westfall" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow For those not attaching the floscan under the cowl like AFS recommends (and I didn't either)... Don't rivet in the attach bracket to the bottom skin until you actually have the floscan (assuming afs's). The Van's bracket holes do not line up w/afs's floscan. You'll need nutplates that fit a AN4 bolt and you'll end up with them pretty close to the bracket edges. The stock bracket uses AN3's. You'll have to get pretty creative with the nutplates to get them under the bracket w/o having to a) modify the nutplates or b) make a larger bracket. You'll also want to plan it so that you can easily make the tubing that goes from the pump to the floscan so be mindful of where you "center" the floscan on the attach bracket. I think you want to avoid a straight tube here since technically the pump and floscan qualify as rigidly mounted but when things are snugged up I'd think a short straight piece of tubing would not ever become an issue. It's such a PIA to make that short of a tube with such a small curve and I highly doubt that the curve will absorb any vibrations and/or allow for flex. I used the 5052 tubing (not the soft stuff from Van's as it is much harder to make minimum radius bends w/o sacrificing tube diameter) wherever possible which included this piece. What you see in the attached picture is probably attempt number 3. I found it much easier on the back to attach the floscan and pump via the short tube and torque the fittings then install the whole unit as one. I also would think one could fabricate a lot of these fuel lines well before installing the side skins. I think I bent over the damn fuselage for about a month off and on before I got things wrapped up. If I were to do it again I'd plan to work on as much fuel line fabrication prior to the completion of sec 29. http://sinkrate.com/rv10/pics/P1000023.JPG -Ben Westfall #40579 (never going to fly... or at least I feel like it) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit I plan to follow the plans (section 37-4 fig 3) and put it in the tunnel. Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "AirMike" Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow > > Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where > are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about > putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be > out of the way yet available in an emergency. > > I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube > flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit. > 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical). > 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side > 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by > Lycoming > > Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would > put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be > really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders. > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631 > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:40 PM PST US From: "Rob Kochman" Subject: RV10-List: Torquing finger strainer When installing the finger strainers in the fuel tanks, what should the torque be? Not sure where I'm supposed to find this information. 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