---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/17/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (AirMike) 2. 01:05 AM - Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical (AirMike) 3. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (Kelly McMullen) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow (William Curtis) 5. 09:06 AM - Section 37-2 revision 1 (pascal) 6. 12:38 PM - Section 30-3 The Steps (johngoodman) 7. 01:51 PM - Re: Section 30-3 The Steps (pascal) 8. 02:44 PM - Re: Section 30-3 The Steps (William Curtis) 9. 05:23 PM - Airflow Performance troubleshooting (Dave Saylor) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow From: "AirMike" I am putting the AFS3500 flo-scan cube on the sidewall of the tunnel. 1. I fabricated a bracket out of "L" aluminum and a couple of flush rivets 2. Then I decided to route the tube in a U-turn backward going up the side wall. 3. Then another U-turn back to the firewall. (might use an elbow coupling) This way I can remove anything easily -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4732#204732 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:05:07 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Firewall penetrations - electrical From: "AirMike" Thanks a lot guys. I talked to Paul Bowmar at Plane Innovations LLC (formerly of EPM-AV) today. He has excellent and thoroughly tested products, but I cannot see spending the extra $100+ for two firewall penetration kits. I will probably buy the Vans "el cheapo" SS covers ($9.50) and use a lot of Red goop. Again thanks for the advice. PS. I strongly urge you to buy the SS heater valves from Paul. Very good and high quality -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4733#204733 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:07 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow I don't know about the design of that particular unit, but most fuel flow units want some straight fuel line without significant bends for a distance on either side of the sensor. On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 12:54 AM, AirMike wrote: > > I am putting the AFS3500 flo-scan cube on the sidewall of the tunnel. > > 1. I fabricated a bracket out of "L" aluminum and a couple of flush rivets > 2. Then I decided to route the tube in a U-turn backward going up the side wall. > 3. Then another U-turn back to the firewall. (might use an elbow coupling) > > This way I can remove anything easily > > -------- > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4732#204732 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow From: "William Curtis" Replacement of the K1000-3 with K2000-3 one lug anchor nut will allow you to use the existing bracket. http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/fuselage37e.html William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ -------- Original Message -------- > > For those not attaching the floscan under the cowl like AFS recommends (and > I didn't either)... Don't rivet in the attach bracket to the bottom skin > until you actually have the floscan (assuming afs's). The Van's bracket > holes do not line up w/afs's floscan. You'll need nutplates that fit a AN4 > bolt and you'll end up with them pretty close to the bracket edges. The > stock bracket uses AN3's. You'll have to get pretty creative with the > nutplates to get them under the bracket w/o having to a) modify the > nutplates or b) make a larger bracket. > > You'll also want to plan it so that you can easily make the tubing that goes > from the pump to the floscan so be mindful of where you "center" the floscan > on the attach bracket. I think you want to avoid a straight tube here since > technically the pump and floscan qualify as rigidly mounted but when things > are snugged up I'd think a short straight piece of tubing would not ever > become an issue. It's such a PIA to make that short of a tube with such a > small curve and I highly doubt that the curve will absorb any vibrations > and/or allow for flex. > > I used the 5052 tubing (not the soft stuff from Van's as it is much harder > to make minimum radius bends w/o sacrificing tube diameter) wherever > possible which included this piece. What you see in the attached picture is > probably attempt number 3. > > I found it much easier on the back to attach the floscan and pump via the > short tube and torque the fittings then install the whole unit as one. I > also would think one could fabricate a lot of these fuel lines well before > installing the side skins. I think I bent over the damn fuselage for about > a month off and on before I got things wrapped up. If I were to do it again > I'd plan to work on as much fuel line fabrication prior to the completion of > sec 29. > > http://sinkrate.com/rv10/pics/P1000023.JPG > > > -Ben Westfall > #40579 (never going to fly... or at least I feel like it) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pascal > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 12:43 PM > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel > flow > > > where to place the red cube flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced > AFS3500 kit > > I plan to follow the plans (section 37-4 fig 3) and put it in the tunnel. > Pascal > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "AirMike" > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 11:26 AM > To: > Subject: RV10-List: Firewall Fwd stuff - Alternate air / flo-scan fuel flow > > > > > Is everyone putting in the Alternate Air kit that Vans sends. If so where > > are most of you putting the pull knob in the cockpit. I was thinking about > > > putting it to the lower frame next to your (pilot's) ankles. Seems to be > > out of the way yet available in an emergency. > > > > I have gotten many conflicting opinions as to where to place the red cube > > flo-scan device that comes with the Advanced AFS3500 kit. > > 1. In the tunnel near the fuel pump (seems cool and logical). > > 2. Just in front of the outlet on the firewall engine side > > 3. Just before the fuel injection distribution manifold. Advised by > > Lycoming > > > > Boy , as a first time builder it would be great if a veteran builder would > > > put together a complete - "completion guide" for the RV10. It would be > > really worth it to a lot of us novice 1st time builders. > > > > -------- > > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 > > Q/B Kit - exited cabin top/door purgatory > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4631#204631 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:08 AM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: RV10-List: Section 37-2 revision 1 FYI for anyone with a newer Fusellage kit. Fuel System Page 37-2 Revision 1 Figure 1 Figure 1 calls for a AN4-6A. the bolts are not in the (MY) inventory If one looks at Revision 0 the figure there calls for a AN4-5A, those two bolts are in the inventory. difference between two revisions is that two extra 960-416 washer are added. If you get to this point and don't see AN4-6A in the inventory you'll know why. I told Van's to update their inventory to reflect the hardware update. Pascal Reid #40720 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:35 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Section 30-3 The Steps From: "johngoodman" Helped a friend do his steps last night and I'm doing mine today. In both cases, the pre drilled hole in the WD-1007 steps are not in the correct position. In my case the new hole I will have to drill will actually join with the pre drilled hole creating a "figure eight." I'd be better off if Van had not put any hole in the steps at all. Because of these two experiences, I'm guessing others have run into this as well. Sizing up to an AN4 worked for my friend but is a poor option for me. A search of the forums didn't yield any results and no one has commented on it in their personal web sites. Perhaps these steps are generic for all of Van's tricycle gear airplanes and the hole was for the RV-6A? John -------- #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished N711JG reserved Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4820#204820 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:02 PM PST US From: "pascal" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Section 30-3 The Steps Thanks for the reference in question of 30-3 makes for easier reviewing. I 'm not sure I understand the pre-drilled piece.. mine had no hole in the step, I needed to match drill it (step 3) . Pascal -------------------------------------------------- From: "johngoodman" Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:38 PM Subject: RV10-List: Section 30-3 The Steps > > Helped a friend do his steps last night and I'm doing mine today. In both > cases, the pre drilled hole in the WD-1007 steps are not in the correct > position. In my case the new hole I will have to drill will actually join > with the pre drilled hole creating a "figure eight." > I'd be better off if Van had not put any hole in the steps at all. Because > of these two experiences, I'm guessing others have run into this as well. > Sizing up to an AN4 worked for my friend but is a poor option for me. A > search of the forums didn't yield any results and no one has commented on > it in their personal web sites. > Perhaps these steps are generic for all of Van's tricycle gear airplanes > and the hole was for the RV-6A? > John > > -------- > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > N711JG reserved > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4820#204820 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Section 30-3 The Steps From: "William Curtis" Same here; my WD-1007 steps had no hole in them however the WD-1008 Step Mounting bracket had pilot holes. http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/fuselage30a.html William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ -------- Original Message -------- > > Thanks for the reference in question of 30-3 makes for easier reviewing. > I 'm not sure I understand the pre-drilled piece.. mine had no hole in the > step, I needed to match drill it (step 3) . > Pascal > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "johngoodman" > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:38 PM > To: > Subject: RV10-List: Section 30-3 The Steps > > > > > Helped a friend do his steps last night and I'm doing mine today. In both > > cases, the pre drilled hole in the WD-1007 steps are not in the correct > > position. In my case the new hole I will have to drill will actually join > > with the pre drilled hole creating a "figure eight." > > I'd be better off if Van had not put any hole in the steps at all. Because > > of these two experiences, I'm guessing others have run into this as well. > > Sizing up to an AN4 worked for my friend but is a poor option for me. A > > search of the forums didn't yield any results and no one has commented on > > it in their personal web sites. > > Perhaps these steps are generic for all of Van's tricycle gear airplanes > > and the hole was for the RV-6A? > > John > > > > -------- > > #40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished > > N711JG reserved > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 4820#204820 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:55 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RV10-List: Airflow Performance troubleshooting If someone is flying an RV-10 with an Airflow Performance fuel system, could you please give me a call? We're troubleshooting a problem with a customer's plane and I need to talk to someone who has an Airflow system working correctly in a 10. 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