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1. 12:11 AM - Re: A dream come true (John Cox)
2. 12:54 AM - Re: A dream come true (Robin Marks)
3. 03:06 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (Michael Wellenzohn)
4. 04:46 AM - Re: A dream come true (MauleDriver)
5. 05:21 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (kearney)
6. 05:34 AM - Re: A dream come true (Kelly McMullen)
7. 06:47 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (Marcus Cooper)
8. 07:10 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (Jesse Saint)
9. 07:23 AM - Re: Perhaps the first or many wiring related questions (johngoodman)
10. 09:30 AM - Re: Feedback wanted (lbgjb10)
11. 09:50 AM - cowling bubble (GenGrumpy@aol.com)
12. 11:08 AM - Re: Throttle quadrant and Stein panel (Jim Berry)
13. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Throttle quadrant and Stein panel (MauleDriver)
14. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing (with huge pictures) (KiloPapa)
15. 04:02 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (KiloPapa)
16. 04:59 PM - Re: A dream come true (richard sipp)
17. 07:34 PM - Re: Feedback wanted (William Curtis)
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| Subject: | A dream come true |
Di ck, in your humility do you have pictures of N110DV we can mutually
enjoy?
John
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of richard sipp
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: RV10-List: A dream come true
For those of you with mature flying airplanes disregard the
following...you already know.
For those still building or in early test flying your efforts will be
rewarded if you stick to your dreams of building and flying
the RV10.
My first attempt at building an experimental airplane was an RV4 that
provided 10 years and 700 hours of great fun and satisfaction.
The logic I used in deciding to build a 10 was to be able to still enjoy
flying a great handling airplane I might be able to build and exchange
the
"Harley Davidson" of the line for an "SUV" that could be shared more
comfortably by the rest of the family and others. Instead of formation
&
aerobatics, I hoped to find enjoyment in regaining the ability to fly in
the IFR system with state of the art avionics.
With the test phase complete and building confidence in the airplane &
Chelton EFIS/FMS system combined with the TruTrak autopilot in the IFR
system I can see that the above goals have been exceeded.
Part of the justification for the airplane was comfortable travel for
the family and the dog. So far all of the passengers have been very
happy.
The dog (wearing her ear protection) sleeps through the whole trip and
my wife says we are going to visit everyone in the address book as long
as the money holds out.
For example, we took a weekend trip from central MI to southern IL in
2:30, normally a 10 hour drive. While there we took a side trip with 4
folks for dinner at
the Land between the Lakes in KY., thirty minutes each way, normally a
2+00 drive.
The next mission was to ferry two normal guys and one big dude plus some
tools and bags from central MI to an airport just south of the DCA ADIZ
to pick up an Acro Sport biplane one of them was purchasing. Flight time
was 3+00 and fuel burn was 38 gallons. We spent several hours on the
ground and still arrived back in MI before 6:00 PM. On the return we
were given a number of re-routes which with the avionics, autopilot, and
a good copilot/radio operator, were easy to handle. We also spent a
little time in some rather rough building convective clouds. The
airplane and autopilot performed well. In spite of 10-25 knot headwinds
we still landed with an hour's fuel remaining.
The airplane is fun to fly and performs well even at max weight and is a
very productive transporter. Take your time, expand your comfort
envelope cautiously, and then accept the compliments of friends and
family with humility.
Dick Sipp
40065 N110DV
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| Subject: | A dream come true |
Dick,
Nice motivating note.
I plan to fly with two, count them two dogs when my -10 is up and
running. We already have the Mutt Muffs for each but while at OSH this
year I saw a clear bag that goes over the dogs head fed by the ships O2
system. Seems like a good idea for X-Country flight at altitude.
Any PIREPS by users would be appreciated.
Robin
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of richard sipp
Sent: Sat 9/20/2008 12:44 AM
Subject: RV10-List: A dream come true
For those of you with mature flying airplanes disregard the
following...you already know.
For those still building or in early test flying your efforts will be
rewarded if you stick to your dreams of building and flying
the RV10.
My first attempt at building an experimental airplane was an RV4 that
provided 10 years and 700 hours of great fun and satisfaction.
The logic I used in deciding to build a 10 was to be able to still enjoy
flying a great handling airplane I might be able to build and exchange
the
"Harley Davidson" of the line for an "SUV" that could be shared more
comfortably by the rest of the family and others. Instead of formation
&
aerobatics, I hoped to find enjoyment in regaining the ability to fly in
the IFR system with state of the art avionics.
With the test phase complete and building confidence in the airplane &
Chelton EFIS/FMS system combined with the TruTrak autopilot in the IFR
system I can see that the above goals have been exceeded.
Part of the justification for the airplane was comfortable travel for
the family and the dog. So far all of the passengers have been very
happy.
The dog (wearing her ear protection) sleeps through the whole trip and
my wife says we are going to visit everyone in the address book as long
as the money holds out.
For example, we took a weekend trip from central MI to southern IL in
2:30, normally a 10 hour drive. While there we took a side trip with 4
folks for dinner at
the Land between the Lakes in KY., thirty minutes each way, normally a
2+00 drive.
The next mission was to ferry two normal guys and one big dude plus some
tools and bags from central MI to an airport just south of the DCA ADIZ
to pick up an Acro Sport biplane one of them was purchasing. Flight time
was 3+00 and fuel burn was 38 gallons. We spent several hours on the
ground and still arrived back in MI before 6:00 PM. On the return we
were given a number of re-routes which with the avionics, autopilot, and
a good copilot/radio operator, were easy to handle. We also spent a
little time in some rather rough building convective clouds. The
airplane and autopilot performed well. In spite of 10-25 knot headwinds
we still landed with an hour's fuel remaining.
The airplane is fun to fly and performs well even at max weight and is a
very productive transporter. Take your time, expand your comfort
envelope cautiously, and then accept the compliments of friends and
family with humility.
Dick Sipp
40065 N110DV
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
Thank you all your valuable Feedback.
I plan to post two more versions with some of your suggestions baked in.
I will try out to swap the vp-200 and the garmin stack. I will however keep one
AFS-3500 for the copilot. The challenge will be to make it fit within the original
panel size including the lower bar.
What is the required edge distance to the glare shield for the AFS-3500?
Best regards
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: A dream come true |
Oh yeah! I can feel the dream.
I'm driving my "Jeep" around right now. The off road tires are a little
rough and the soft top is a pain sometimes but with the door off it's
fun in the summer. Exhausting on long trips though.
Can't wait for a full size, highway tired "SUV".
Thanks.
richard sipp wrote:
> For those of you with mature flying airplanes disregard the
> following...you already know.
>
> For those still building or in early test flying your efforts will be
> rewarded if you stick to your dreams of building and flying
> the RV10.
>
> My first attempt at building an experimental airplane was an RV4
> that provided 10 years and 700 hours of great fun and satisfaction.
>
> The logic I used in deciding to build a 10 was to be able to still
> enjoy flying a great handling airplane I might be able to build and
> exchange the
> "Harley Davidson" of the line for an "SUV" that could be shared more
> comfortably by the rest of the family and others. Instead of formation &
> aerobatics, I hoped to find enjoyment in regaining the ability to fly
> in the IFR system with state of the art avionics.
>
> With the test phase complete and building confidence in the airplane
> & Chelton EFIS/FMS system combined with the TruTrak autopilot in the
> IFR system I can see that the above goals have been exceeded.
>
> Part of the justification for the airplane was comfortable travel for
> the family and the dog. So far all of the passengers have been
> very happy.
> The dog (wearing her ear protection) sleeps through the whole trip and
> my wife says we are going to visit everyone in the address book as
> long as the money holds out.
>
> For example, we took a weekend trip from central MI to southern IL in
> 2:30, normally a 10 hour drive. While there we took a side trip with 4
> folks for dinner at
> the Land between the Lakes in KY., thirty minutes each way, normally a
> 2+00 drive.
>
> The next mission was to ferry two normal guys and one big dude plus
> some tools and bags from central MI to an airport just south of the
> DCA ADIZ to pick up an Acro Sport biplane one of them was purchasing.
> Flight time was 3+00 and fuel burn was 38 gallons. We spent several
> hours on the ground and still arrived back in MI before 6:00 PM. On
> the return we were given a number of re-routes which with the
> avionics, autopilot, and a good copilot/radio operator, were easy to
> handle. We also spent a little time in some rather rough building
> convective clouds. The airplane and autopilot performed well. In
> spite of 10-25 knot headwinds we still landed with an hour's fuel
> remaining.
>
> The airplane is fun to fly and performs well even at max weight and is
> a very productive transporter. Take your time, expand your comfort
> envelope cautiously, and then accept the compliments of friends and
> family with humility.
>
> Dick Sipp
> 40065 N110DV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
Michael
Here is a link to the AFS3500 panel cutout: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AF-3000support/AF-3400%20Dimensions.pdf
Here is a link to the AFS4500 panel cutout: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AdvancedDeckSupport/ADVANCED%20deck%20AF-4500%20Install%20R1.pdf
I also suggest you place your switches and other miscellaneous bits and bobs on
your drawing so you get a sense of the overall effect.
Also consider what will go behind the panel and sub panel and where as well as
how you will access things after it is all installed. Installation is one thing,
maintainability is another - that thought is courtesy of John Cox.
Cheers
Les
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| Subject: | Re: A dream come true |
I found Dick's original email with pics sent to the list last month
and forwarded it to John privately. It should be found in the
archives/forum from August 7 for others that wish to go back and look.
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 12:06 AM, John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> wrote:
> Di ck, in your humility do you have pictures of N110DV we can mutually
> enjoy?
>
>
> John
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Michael,
Lots of discussion on some displays, but one thing to consider is the
items you have running on the bottom of the panel. It looks like several
(backup instruments, XPDR, etc) will extend slightly below the main panel
and into the permanent cross bar. Anything is doable, but it might cause
some installation and aesthetic issues. Overall great looking panel though.
I would also mimic the comment about through your switches and CBs (if any)
on the design. It's amazing how many you could end up having and how much
real estate they take up. Having them in a location and order that makes
sense to you will pay huge dividends. I used the colored switch covers to
make it easy to tell what's what without looking too hard (red for electric
stuff (alt, bat), blue for fuel, yellow for pitot heat, green for the stuff
that cost a lot (avionics)).
Marcus
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Wellenzohn
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:44 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Feedback wanted
Hi,
this is my desired panel layout. I would appreciate your feedback.
Best
Michael
--------
RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
#511
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
With the VP there is not much need for switches and no need for CBs.
You'll have a few switches, but not many. Also, you can get a remote
CO monitor with serial output into the AFS.
Where are you putting the VP CU?
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation
jesse@saintaviation.com
352-427-0285
On Sep 20, 2008, at 9:46 AM, "Marcus Cooper" <coop85@cableone.net>
wrote:
>
> Michael,
> Lots of discussion on some displays, but one thing to consider is
> the
> items you have running on the bottom of the panel. It looks like
> several
> (backup instruments, XPDR, etc) will extend slightly below the main
> panel
> and into the permanent cross bar. Anything is doable, but it might
> cause
> some installation and aesthetic issues. Overall great looking panel
> though.
>
> I would also mimic the comment about through your switches and CBs
> (if any)
> on the design. It's amazing how many you could end up having and
> how much
> real estate they take up. Having them in a location and order that
> makes
> sense to you will pay huge dividends. I used the colored switch
> covers to
> make it easy to tell what's what without looking too hard (red for
> electric
> stuff (alt, bat), blue for fuel, yellow for pitot heat, green for
> the stuff
> that cost a lot (avionics)).
>
> Marcus
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
> Wellenzohn
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:44 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: Feedback wanted
>
> >
>
> Hi,
> this is my desired panel layout. I would appreciate your feedback.
>
> Best
> Michael
>
> --------
> RV-10 builder (engine, prop, finishing)
> #511
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5119#205119
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/ynn_v14_165.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Perhaps the first or many wiring related questions |
Les,
I pulled my AoA tubing through individual snap bushings (SB375-4 I think) where
Van has his pitot tubing. Really not that hard to put in a new set of holes and
bushings and the tubes stay rigid by themselves. The snap bushings give just
enough resistance to keep everything in place.
For electrical conduit I drilled out Van's snap bushing run to take his corrugated
nylon tubing. You need the right size uni-bit and a nifty 12" drill bit extension
that fits the uni-bit shank from Home Depot. It's made by Ridgid and the
"chuck" is 3/4". It will follow a 3/4" uni-bit through a hole without a problem.
Van's conduit is corrugated so you need to use a vacuum to pull a string through
to get started. I replaced the string with a length of weed-eater line for future
use.
In the fuselage I used more of Van's tubing but also - as suggested by others on
this thread - thin wall irrigation tubing. The irrigation tubing has the advantage
of smooth insides so you can push a wire through. It's heavier but not
by much.
John
--------
#40572 QB Fuselage, wings finished
N711JG reserved
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
Initially I liked the thought of symmetry--main units centered over 'eyes' of pilot/copilot.
BUT decided (with help!!) on shifting left towards pilot. Dual
3500's set up for 4500s, 530w,sl30,330.trutrak between the 2 screens. By having
the second screen closer it is easily visible and useable. Turns out you
do use the 430/530 and autopilot a LOT and I would want them in my easy sight
and easy use without having to lean at all. It would be nice to have emergency
backup instruments where you have them but they may not fit there, and I would
set up panel for everyday work and use. The RV10 panel is wide and to reach
over to the far right knob on the Right EFIS is a reach on your panel. I would
think that you are going to use the 430/autopilot and the other EFIS more
often in flight than the 'centered' engine monitoring unit you show. Just my
thoughts after using the units in flight. If it's hard to use or you can't see
it easy you won't use it. NOTE--asked my copilot to look at your panel, and
with no prompting, she said that the right EFIS is too far to right, and radios
need to be closer!!!! and she's not even brainwashed!!! happy building/flying.
larry & gayle
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Anyone know of someone making small chin bubbles that would fit on the lower
cowling?
My alternator pulley fits too closely and is starting to chew into the lower
cowl under air loads, so I either have to make a mold, etc, or find someone
who has already solved this one....
grumpy
N184JM
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle quadrant and Stein panel |
Bill,
I have Stein's panel with the set back center section i.e. not canted, but the
center section is 1" aft of the left and right sections. The throttle quadrant
also is 1" aft of standard, and there is plenty of cable length to reach my Airflow
Performance fuel controller. Not sure how it would work with other throttle
bodies.
Jim Berry
40482
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle quadrant and Stein panel |
It looks like I have a Bendix fuel controller.
Right now, I'm working on dropping the quadrant down about 3/4" and
about 1/2" half aft and rotated 10 degrees. It looks like it gives me
just enough clearance from canted front end.
The thing that is still on my mind is someone's comment about having to
extend all the fittings on the cables as far as possible to reach the
various engine controls. But a 1/2" should be okay. We'll see.
Thanks.
Jim Berry wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> I have Stein's panel with the set back center section i.e. not canted, but the
center section is 1" aft of the left and right sections. The throttle quadrant
also is 1" aft of standard, and there is plenty of cable length to reach my
Airflow Performance fuel controller. Not sure how it would work with other throttle
bodies.
>
> Jim Berry
> 40482
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5296#205296
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing (with huge pictures) |
For Microsoft XP users:
I find that it is common to receive pictures that are extremely large for
viewing in email. I use Outlook Express and the Internet Explorer setting
shown below does not affect the size of pictures embedded in my email.
However there is a very simple tool from Microsoft for resizing pictures.
After installation it is available from the right-click menu. The original
file remains untouched and a file with the same name and appended with the
picture size is created. I have found that using the "Medium" setting
usually makes for a good fit in email.
Find it here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Scroll down the right side of the screen and look for ImageResizer.exe
Play around with it and you might find it useful. Simply uninstall it if
you don't like it.
Kevin
40494
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>
> There is a setting on Internet Explorer and Firefox to automatically
> resize images.
>
> For Internet Explorer:
> - Tools
> - Internet Options
> - Advanced
> - Multimedia
> - (Check) Enable Automatic Image Resizing
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
William,
What do you mean by "upgraded" 3400? Also, could not find reference to a
4500. Is this what they call the Advanced Deck?
Kevin
40494
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----- Original Message -----
From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Feedback wanted
>
> I thought about the option of putting in the trays for the 4500 but
> consider this; A 3400 has the same screen size and resolution as 4500 and
> according to AFS, an upgraded 3400 will be functionally equivalent to a
> 4500 with the exception of front mounting. The only thing you will not
> get with an upgraded 3400 is the form factor and front mounting. The 3400
> form factor has certain benefits over the 4500 form factor. With the 3400
> form factor you can place the units closer together than the 4500. With a
> 3400, you have less panel material to remove, this can be important as you
> push the screens further to the edge of the panel in order to make them
> fit. So if front panel mounting is not important to you, get the 3400 and
> then upgrade the same units when you are ready.
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
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| Subject: | Re: A dream come true |
It would be interesting to know how a dog's tolerance of reduced O2 compares
to humans.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 3:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: A dream come true
Dick,
Nice motivating note.
I plan to fly with two, count them two dogs when my -10 is up and running.
We already have the Mutt Muffs for each but while at OSH this year I saw a
clear bag that goes over the dogs head fed by the ships O2 system. Seems
like a good idea for X-Country flight at altitude.
Any PIREPS by users would be appreciated.
Robin
________________________________
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of richard sipp
Sent: Sat 9/20/2008 12:44 AM
Subject: RV10-List: A dream come true
For those of you with mature flying airplanes disregard the following...you
already know.
For those still building or in early test flying your efforts will be
rewarded if you stick to your dreams of building and flying
the RV10.
My first attempt at building an experimental airplane was an RV4 that
provided 10 years and 700 hours of great fun and satisfaction.
The logic I used in deciding to build a 10 was to be able to still enjoy
flying a great handling airplane I might be able to build and exchange the
"Harley Davidson" of the line for an "SUV" that could be shared more
comfortably by the rest of the family and others. Instead of formation &
aerobatics, I hoped to find enjoyment in regaining the ability to fly in the
IFR system with state of the art avionics.
With the test phase complete and building confidence in the airplane &
Chelton EFIS/FMS system combined with the TruTrak autopilot in the IFR
system I can see that the above goals have been exceeded.
Part of the justification for the airplane was comfortable travel for the
family and the dog. So far all of the passengers have been very happy.
The dog (wearing her ear protection) sleeps through the whole trip and my
wife says we are going to visit everyone in the address book as long as the
money holds out.
For example, we took a weekend trip from central MI to southern IL in 2:30,
normally a 10 hour drive. While there we took a side trip with 4 folks for
dinner at
the Land between the Lakes in KY., thirty minutes each way, normally a 2+00
drive.
The next mission was to ferry two normal guys and one big dude plus some
tools and bags from central MI to an airport just south of the DCA ADIZ to
pick up an Acro Sport biplane one of them was purchasing. Flight time was
3+00 and fuel burn was 38 gallons. We spent several hours on the ground and
still arrived back in MI before 6:00 PM. On the return we were given a
number of re-routes which with the avionics, autopilot, and a good
copilot/radio operator, were easy to handle. We also spent a little time in
some rather rough building convective clouds. The airplane and autopilot
performed well. In spite of 10-25 knot headwinds we still landed with an
hour's fuel remaining.
The airplane is fun to fly and performs well even at max weight and is a
very productive transporter. Take your time, expand your comfort envelope
cautiously, and then accept the compliments of friends and family with
humility.
Dick Sipp
40065 N110DV
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| Subject: | Re: Feedback wanted |
That should be "upgraded 3500" as noted previously. AFS has stated that the 3500
will be upgradable to the full capabilities of the Advanced Deck(4500)--that
is faster CPU, additional memory and additional knob/joystick.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> William,
>
> What do you mean by "upgraded" 3400? Also, could not find reference to a
> 4500. Is this what they call the Advanced Deck?
>
> Kevin
> 40494
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Curtis" <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> To: <rv10-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Feedback wanted
>
>
> >
> > I thought about the option of putting in the trays for the 4500 but
> > consider this; A 3400 has the same screen size and resolution as 4500 and
> > according to AFS, an upgraded 3400 will be functionally equivalent to a
> > 4500 with the exception of front mounting. The only thing you will not
> > get with an upgraded 3400 is the form factor and front mounting. The 3400
> > form factor has certain benefits over the 4500 form factor. With the 3400
> > form factor you can place the units closer together than the 4500. With a
> > 3400, you have less panel material to remove, this can be important as you
> > push the screens further to the edge of the panel in order to make them
> > fit. So if front panel mounting is not important to you, get the 3400 and
> > then upgrade the same units when you are ready.
> >
> > William
> > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
>
>
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