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1. 05:33 AM - Adapting SJ mainwheel pant for RV10 size nosewheel (Ralph E. Capen)
2. 06:49 AM - FW: Spinner cut-out diagram (James, Peter [SD])
3. 08:23 AM - Re: What did you use to mount B&C's LR3C controller (MauleDriver)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
5. 10:11 AM - eMag/pMag issues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
6. 11:55 AM - Re: eMag/pMag issues (Robin Marks)
7. 12:32 PM - Re: eMag/pMag issues (Neal George)
8. 01:21 PM - Re: eMag/pMag issues (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 02:07 PM - Re: eMag/pMag issues (David McNeill)
10. 02:26 PM - Cooling via Ice Chest (Albert Gardner)
11. 02:33 PM - Cooling via Ice Chest (Albert Gardner)
12. 02:37 PM - Parachutes (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
13. 02:39 PM - Re: Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing (Albert Gardner)
14. 02:49 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Fred Williams, M.D.)
15. 02:57 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Rick Sked)
16. 02:58 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (John Cumins)
17. 03:02 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Rene Felker)
18. 03:11 PM - Re: Parachutes (John Gonzalez)
19. 03:16 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Tim Olson)
20. 03:39 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (MauleDriver)
21. 03:57 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Tim Olson)
22. 04:55 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Robin Marks)
23. 04:59 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Albert Gardner)
24. 05:14 PM - Re: Parachutes (Chris)
25. 05:26 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (John Lenhardt)
26. 06:02 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Andy Turner)
27. 06:13 PM - Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (tomhanaway)
28. 06:26 PM - Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (Rene Felker)
29. 06:42 PM - Re: Parachutes (John Gonzalez)
30. 06:42 PM - Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (Tim Olson)
31. 06:56 PM - Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (tomhanaway)
32. 06:59 PM - Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (greghale)
33. 07:02 PM - Re: Parachutes (David McNeill)
34. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Albert Gardner)
35. 07:26 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Lew Gallagher)
36. 07:28 PM - Re: Parachutes (Robin Marks)
37. 07:52 PM - Re: Parachutes (SUSIE MCGOUGH)
38. 08:23 PM - Re: Parachutes (Chris Johnston)
39. 08:36 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Rick Sked)
40. 09:41 PM - Re: Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte (Don McDonald)
41. 09:44 PM - Re: Cooling via Ice Chest (Don McDonald)
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| Subject: | Adapting SJ mainwheel pant for RV10 size nosewheel |
Folks,
Since I operate primarily out of grass strips here on the DelMarVa peninsula, I
have fitted a larger nosewheel (thanks to Bill Knott - he has the fork project)
and put larger tires on my mainwheels.
I took one of my original mainwheel pants (that I bought before I decided to make
the tires larger) and:
Drew the waterline in the wheelpant - this gives me the optimal flight level alignment.
Cut out the bottom tire hole based on maingear fitment.
Put the mudshield in the rear half (per original instructions).
Cut the nosebowl off the front.
Flanged the nosebowl cutout to allow reattachment of the nosebowl.
Match drilled nosebowl to flange.
Nutplated the flange on each side.
Countersunk nosebowl attach holes.
Attach original front part to original rear part permanently.
Drilled the axle hole (per original instructions).
Cut nosegearleg pivot hole in top of pant and nosebowl (hole is too big).
With the aircraft in flight attitude - determine where attach brackets fit to pant.
Using Van's new stock RV6A nosewheel pant brackets - bent the top set of tabs on
each side to a more vertical alignment.
Laid-up six layers of BID tape to each side where the upper brackets would be attached.
Filed out axle hole to reposition axle 1/4" forward and 1/16" higher (to allow
for smaller nosegearleg pivot hole)
With the aircraft in flight attitude - drill pant through to attach bracket tops.
Nutplate the upper bracket attach points
Countersink the pant to bracket attach holes.
I still need to:
Modify the lower bracket attach points (cut off old flange and add new flange that
sticks out further).
Lay up six layers of BID where the lower brackets will attach.
Drill pant to lower flange.
Nutplate lower flange.
Countersink lower flange attach holes.
Close up the oversize nosegearleg pivot hole.
What I would do differently:
Start by repositioning the axle hole from the start instead of figuring it out
later.
Cut the nosebowl further aft so it will go around the brackets easier.
Here's what it looks like
Ralph Capen
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| Subject: | FW: Spinner cut-out diagram |
RV-10'rs:
Attached is a file that will save you a lot of time. It is the cut-out dia
gram for the RV-10 Spinner when using a new Hartzell Prop. I cut mine befo
re receiving an answer to my request. What amazes me is how close we came
by using a cardboard cutout and pretty much guessing on the amount of defle
ction.
Tim and others: this is a great file to add to your web-sites! I am also
sending to the Matronics Picture e-mail site.
Pete #40100
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| Subject: | Re: What did you use to mount B&C's LR3C controller |
I'll probably use a couple of AN3 bolts too.
I called Bill at B&C and he explained that the 6 large holes are there
to facilitate replacement installations in various other aircraft.
I just wanted to see if I was missing something - I wasn't.
and thanks for the pic Don.
Michael Kraus wrote:
>
> I used 4 AN3 bolts with nut plates.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MauleDriver <MauleDriver@nc.rr.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 6:09 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV10-List: What did you use to mount B&C's LR3C controller
>
>
> I'm getting ready to mount 2 of these in an RV10 - There are (6) 9/32"
> holes in them for mounting and I just can't figure out what hardware
> should be used. Or what was intended.
>
> Bill Watson
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing |
Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs. the one
you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice. This will
cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The one you see
in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger and pumps
the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over ice. IIRC
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Albert Gardner
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 12:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing
PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that is
much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
ones sold for airplanes.
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| Subject: | eMag/pMag issues |
If anyone is considering using any of the eMag products, I strongly sugge
st you do your research. I have heard of frequent problems and failures of
them over the years and have had discussions with some of you relaying wha
t I have heard from others. Marc Zeitlin and others have had quite a bit o
f discussion lately on the Cozy builders list and some of that discussion h
as trickled over into the Aeroelectric and other lists and I felt it was pe
rtinent for any of you that are interested in Emagair.
Below are a couple of links to discussions on this subject. Marc has doc
umented his experience and discussions with others on the Cozy builders web
site. If you don't know Marc he has the credentials to backup what he says
having graduated from MIT and working as an ME for upwards of 30 years inc
luding currently working on SS2/WK2 for Scaled.
I have no hunt in this but I know some of you have been very interested i
n the upcoming 6cyl version. Read the following items, do your research, m
ake your decisions accordingly. Be safe!
Michael
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/
http://www.maddyhome.com/cozysrch/ search for "emagair"
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| Subject: | eMag/pMag issues |
Michael,
Using a single eMag or pMag is no problem because if it goes
bad you always have the Slick Mag to rely on in an emergency....Oh...
wait...can anyone recommend a good parachute?
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
If anyone is considering using any of the eMag products, I strongly
suggest you do your research. I have heard of frequent problems and
failures of them over the years and have had discussions with some of
you relaying what I have heard from others. Marc Zeitlin and others
have had quite a bit of discussion lately on the Cozy builders list and
some of that discussion has trickled over into the Aeroelectric and
other lists and I felt it was pertinent for any of you that are
interested in Emagair.
Below are a couple of links to discussions on this subject. Marc has
documented his experience and discussions with others on the Cozy
builders website. If you don't know Marc he has the credentials to
backup what he says having graduated from MIT and working as an ME for
upwards of 30 years including currently working on SS2/WK2 for Scaled.
I have no hunt in this but I know some of you have been very
interested in the upcoming 6cyl version. Read the following items, do
your research, make your decisions accordingly. Be safe!
Michael
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/
http://www.maddyhome.com/cozysrch/ search for "emagair"
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| Subject: | eMag/pMag issues |
Strong Enterprises. <;-P
neal
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
Michael,
Using a single eMag or pMag is no problem because if it goes bad
you always have the Slick Mag to rely on in an emergency..Oh. wait.can
anyone recommend a good parachute?
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
If anyone is considering using any of the eMag products, I strongly
suggest you do your research. I have heard of frequent problems and
failures of them over the years and have had discussions with some of you
relaying what I have heard from others. Marc Zeitlin and others have had
quite a bit of discussion lately on the Cozy builders list and some of that
discussion has trickled over into the Aeroelectric and other lists and I
felt it was pertinent for any of you that are interested in Emagair.
Below are a couple of links to discussions on this subject. Marc has
documented his experience and discussions with others on the Cozy builders
website. If you don't know Marc he has the credentials to backup what he
says having graduated from MIT and working as an ME for upwards of 30 years
including currently working on SS2/WK2 for Scaled.
I have no hunt in this but I know some of you have been very interested in
the upcoming 6cyl version. Read the following items, do your research, make
your decisions accordingly. Be safe!
Michael
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/
http://www.maddyhome.com/cozysrch/ search for "emagair"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | eMag/pMag issues |
True, but I believe if it starts firing 180 out, as was the case for a co
uple of these, you won't really have anything left for the slick to burn.
Like I said no dog in this, I already made my ignition decisions. Just wan
ted to pass along the info and it sounds like they are trying to address th
e issues. I do find it interesting that a lot of supporters start out by s
aying that they have had couple of in flight failures but are very happy wi
th them. You Slick mag owners must be ecstatic with yours! :)
Michael.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
Michael,
Using a single eMag or pMag is no problem because if it goes ba
d you always have the Slick Mag to rely on in an emergency....Oh... wait...
can anyone recommend a good parachute?
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
If anyone is considering using any of the eMag products, I strongly sugge
st you do your research. I have heard of frequent problems and failures of
them over the years and have had discussions with some of you relaying wha
t I have heard from others. Marc Zeitlin and others have had quite a bit o
f discussion lately on the Cozy builders list and some of that discussion h
as trickled over into the Aeroelectric and other lists and I felt it was pe
rtinent for any of you that are interested in Emagair.
Below are a couple of links to discussions on this subject. Marc has doc
umented his experience and discussions with others on the Cozy builders web
site. If you don't know Marc he has the credentials to backup what he says
having graduated from MIT and working as an ME for upwards of 30 years inc
luding currently working on SS2/WK2 for Scaled.
I have no hunt in this but I know some of you have been very interested i
n the upcoming 6cyl version. Read the following items, do your research, m
ake your decisions accordingly. Be safe!
Michael
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/
http://www.maddyhome.com/cozysrch/ search for "emagair"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | eMag/pMag issues |
Aircraft Spruce sells parachutes. I used one for the test period on my 10.
It is one of the few aircraft you could actually use a parachute without a
lot of special rigging to get rid of the door.Mine is a National 425. Kind
of pricey but if needed priceless.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Neal George
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
Strong Enterprises. <;-P
neal
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
Michael,
Using a single eMag or pMag is no problem because if it goes bad
you always have the Slick Mag to rely on in an emergency..Oh. wait.can
anyone recommend a good parachute?
Robin
Do Not Archive
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
If anyone is considering using any of the eMag products, I strongly
suggest you do your research. I have heard of frequent problems and
failures of them over the years and have had discussions with some of you
relaying what I have heard from others. Marc Zeitlin and others have had
quite a bit of discussion lately on the Cozy builders list and some of that
discussion has trickled over into the Aeroelectric and other lists and I
felt it was pertinent for any of you that are interested in Emagair.
Below are a couple of links to discussions on this subject. Marc has
documented his experience and discussions with others on the Cozy builders
website. If you don't know Marc he has the credentials to backup what he
says having graduated from MIT and working as an ME for upwards of 30 years
including currently working on SS2/WK2 for Scaled.
I have no hunt in this but I know some of you have been very interested in
the upcoming 6cyl version. Read the following items, do your research, make
your decisions accordingly. Be safe!
Michael
http://www.cozybuilders.org/Emagair_Warning/
http://www.maddyhome.com/cozysrch/ search for "emagair"
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or just
fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be directed
towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could drink
the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs. the
one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice. This
will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The one
you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over ice.
IIRC
Michael
-----Original Message-----
PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that is
much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
ones sold for airplanes.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or just
fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be directed
towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could drink
the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs. the
one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice. This
will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The one
you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over ice.
IIRC
Michael
-----Original Message-----
PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that is
much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
ones sold for airplanes.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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Go visit your local drop zone and see if you can rent a pilot's chute. A
ll pilots of drop planes where parachutes, usually flat packs which make it
easy to wear in our type of aircraft while flying.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeill
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issues
Aircraft Spruce sells parachutes. I used one for the test period on my 10.
It is one of the few aircraft you could actually use a parachute without a
lot of special rigging to get rid of the door.Mine is a National 425. Kind
of pricey but if needed priceless.
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| Subject: | Nose Gear Intersecting Fairing |
This is the area that an intersection fairing would have to cover and
allow
for gear movement. For what it's worth, in order to get my lower cowl
off
with a 3 blade prop I find it easiest to pull the tail down letting the
nose
gear drop and providing additional clearance for the cowl.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
It all goes back to the question: It's not how many horsepower you
have, not how many gallons your wingtip tanks will hold - it's how big
's your bladder........
Dr Fred
DAR inspection ....... Wednesday
Albert Gardner wrote:
>
> That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
> of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or just
> fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
> begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
> fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be directed
> towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
> feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could drink
> the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs. the
> one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice. This
> will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The one
> you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
> and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over ice.
> IIRC
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
> provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that is
> much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
> rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
> ones sold for airplanes.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
Al,
"The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with"
Wouldn't the ice be something like 32 degrees all the time? :)
Rick Sked
40185
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:25:06 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or just
fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be directed
towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could drink
the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
-----Original Message-----
Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs. the
one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice. This
will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The one
you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over ice.
IIRC
Michael
-----Original Message-----
PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that is
much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
ones sold for airplanes.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
Dr Fed
Your so right!!!!!!
John G. Cumins
President
JC'S Interactive Systems
2499 B1 Martin Rd
Fairfield Ca 94533
707-425-7100
707-425-7576 Fax
Your Total Technology Solution Provider
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
It all goes back to the question: It's not how many horsepower you
have, not how many gallons your wingtip tanks will hold - it's how big
's your bladder........
Dr Fred
DAR inspection ....... Wednesday
Albert Gardner wrote:
>
> That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
> of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or
just
> fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
> begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
> fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be
directed
> towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
> feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could
drink
> the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs.
the
> one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice.
This
> will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The
one
> you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
> and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over
ice.
> IIRC
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
> provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that
is
> much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
> rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
> ones sold for airplanes.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
I agree....Not much more than two hours for me....
Good luck on your inspection.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
M.D.
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
<drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
It all goes back to the question: It's not how many horsepower you
have, not how many gallons your wingtip tanks will hold - it's how big
's your bladder........
Dr Fred
DAR inspection ....... Wednesday
Albert Gardner wrote:
>
> That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
> of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or
just
> fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
> begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
> fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be
directed
> towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
> feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could
drink
> the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs.
the
> one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice.
This
> will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The
one
> you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
> and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over
ice.
> IIRC
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
> provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that
is
> much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
> rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
> ones sold for airplanes.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
>
>
>
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look up mini softie or softy parachute.
From: rvbuilder@sausen.netTo: rv10-list@matronics.comDate: Mon=2C 22 Sep 20
08 16:37:52 -0500Subject: RV10-List: Parachutes
Go visit your local drop zone and see if you can rent a pilot=92s chute.
All pilots of drop planes where parachutes=2C usually flat packs which mak
e it easy to wear in our type of aircraft while flying.
Michael
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of David McNeillSent: Monday=2C September 22=2C 200
8 4:07 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV10-List: eMag/pMag issue
s
Aircraft Spruce sells parachutes. I used one for the test period on my 10.
It is one of the few aircraft you could actually use a parachute without a
lot of special rigging to get rid of the door.Mine is a National 425. Kind
of pricey but if needed priceless.
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
I can't believe that I'm the only one who has the whole family use the
little john and lady-j adapter and fills jugs up on the flight.
We routinely fly 4+ hour non-stops. I find that it can be anywhere
from 1 to 3 hours before the first person pipes up and wants their
turn. I usually try to make sure that my head and bladder are clear
before an approach, too....so there's only one thing on my mind
and that's getting the plane down smoothly. Yeah, I know there
are many who won't want to do that task in the plane, but I just
can't picture going without....I'd need to have Abby sew up some
"Depends Dispensers" for us otherwise. Ain't no way I'm going
9-10 hrs x/c with stops every 1.5 hrs.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Rene Felker wrote:
>
> I agree....Not much more than two hours for me....
>
> Good luck on your inspection.
>
> Rene' Felker
> RV-10 N423CF Flying
> 801-721-6080
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams,
> M.D.
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:50 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
>
> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>
> It all goes back to the question: It's not how many horsepower you
> have, not how many gallons your wingtip tanks will hold - it's how big
> 's your bladder........
>
> Dr Fred
>
> DAR inspection ....... Wednesday
>
>
>
> Albert Gardner wrote:
>>
>> That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice up out
>> of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or
> just
>> fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
>> begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small enough to
>> fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be
> directed
>> towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
>> feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could
> drink
>> the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
>> Albert Gardner
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas vs.
> the
>> one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice.
> This
>> will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The
> one
>> you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat exchanger
>> and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over
> ice.
>> IIRC
>> Michael
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
>> provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas that
> is
>> much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward, runs on
>> rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper than the
>> ones sold for airplanes.
>> Albert Gardner
>> Yuma, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
You're not alone Tim. Little John and gel pacs do the trick here.
I learned the hard way in glider racing that trying to manage your
hydration for endurance, costs too much in performance. External male
catheters were the trick there.
...and be careful trying to jettison liquid waste without careful
engineering and fore thought. $$$$
Tim Olson wrote:
>
> I can't believe that I'm the only one who has the whole family use the
> little john and lady-j adapter and fills jugs up on the flight.
> We routinely fly 4+ hour non-stops. I find that it can be anywhere
> from 1 to 3 hours before the first person pipes up and wants their
> turn. I usually try to make sure that my head and bladder are clear
> before an approach, too....so there's only one thing on my mind
> and that's getting the plane down smoothly. Yeah, I know there
> are many who won't want to do that task in the plane, but I just
> can't picture going without....I'd need to have Abby sew up some
> "Depends Dispensers" for us otherwise. Ain't no way I'm going
> 9-10 hrs x/c with stops every 1.5 hrs.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Rene Felker wrote:
>>
>> I agree....Not much more than two hours for me....
>>
>> Good luck on your inspection.
>>
>> Rene' Felker
>> RV-10 N423CF Flying
>> 801-721-6080
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
>> Williams,
>> M.D.
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:50 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
>>
>> <drfred@suddenlinkmail.com>
>>
>> It all goes back to the question: It's not how many horsepower you
>> have, not how many gallons your wingtip tanks will hold - it's how
>> big 's your bladder........
>>
>> Dr Fred
>>
>> DAR inspection ....... Wednesday
>>
>>
>>
>> Albert Gardner wrote:
>>> <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
>>>
>>> That is correct although it has an internal tray that holds the ice
>>> up out
>>> of the melt water. You can then select 'icy breeze', 'water mister', or
>> just
>>> fan only. The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice
>>> was to
>>> begin with but it only needs to last until OAT drops. It's small
>>> enough to
>>> fit between the seats and as PIC I require that the 'icy breeze' be
>> directed
>>> towards me. I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by
>>> the
>>> feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could
>> drink
>>> the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
>>> Albert Gardner
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> Al can confirm this but I think the big difference in the Cabellas
>>> vs.
>> the
>>> one you see at OSH is that the Cabellas simply blows air over the ice.
>> This
>>> will cause a lot of humidity and burn through the ice much faster. The
>> one
>>> you see in OSH is actually a closed loop system that uses a heat
>>> exchanger
>>> and pumps the cold water through that rather than just blowing air over
>> ice.
>>> IIRC
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> PS: after seeing the small ice chests sold at Oshkosh and elsewhere to
>>> provide some cooling in the cabin I found a tent cooler at Cabellas
>>> that
>> is
>>> much cheaper. Fits between the rear seats, blows cool air forward,
>>> runs on
>>> rechargeable batteries or a 12v plugin. Only $80 and far cheaper
>>> than the
>>> ones sold for airplanes.
>>> Albert Gardner
>>> Yuma, AZ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
I was thinking of a trailing 1/4" tygon tube, coming out of the area of
the rear tiedown ring...extending back 3' past the rudder. I could
even make contrails (more like ice pellets) on the winter flights. ;)
Or maybe redesign my cats whiskers Nav antennas to be hollow tubing.
That would be a great mod!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> You're not alone Tim. Little John and gel pacs do the trick here.
>
> I learned the hard way in glider racing that trying to manage your
> hydration for endurance, costs too much in performance. External male
> catheters were the trick there.
>
> ...and be careful trying to jettison liquid waste without careful
> engineering and fore thought. $$$$
>
>
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
No need for off loading there is a perfectly good ice chest sitting
between the two of you. Just don't confuse it with lemon aid...
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
I was thinking of a trailing 1/4" tygon tube, coming out of the area of
the rear tiedown ring...extending back 3' past the rudder. I could
even make contrails (more like ice pellets) on the winter flights. ;)
Or maybe redesign my cats whiskers Nav antennas to be hollow tubing.
That would be a great mod!
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
MauleDriver wrote:
>
> You're not alone Tim. Little John and gel pacs do the trick here.
>
> I learned the hard way in glider racing that trying to manage your
> hydration for endurance, costs too much in performance. External
male
> catheters were the trick there.
>
> ...and be careful trying to jettison liquid waste without careful
> engineering and fore thought. $$$$
>
>
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| Subject: | Cooling via Ice Chest |
I slept in a Holiday Inn within the past year so feel competent to answer
this question. Ice can get cold as h... but not warmer than 32. So if you
stoke the ice chest with ice out of the freezer (around 10 degrees I think
for home units) as opposed to ice that's just getting ready to turn into
water you get more cooling. I keep a bag in the freezer side of my fridge at
the hangar just for this-and no other-purpose.
Albert
-----Original Message-----
Al,
"The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with"
Wouldn't the ice be something like 32 degrees all the time? :)
Rick Sked
40185
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If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
-CHris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
Zero ice weight for dry ice...... :)
I haven't weighed it with a full ice load but I think by the
feel it's going to be well under 18lbs. After the ice melts you could drink
the melt water and then the weight wouldn't count, would it?
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
Well Albert, you got me to thinking - it is true that chilling your ice below 0
C will give you a little more cooling, but just a little more, because it takes
to much more heat to melt a given quantity of ice than it does to merely raise
the temperature. The specific heat of ice is about 0.5 cal/g, the latent heat
of fusion is 80 cal/g. So, if you cool your ice in the freezer to -20 C (which
is a very cold household freezer), it requires just 10 cal to warm each gram
of ice to the melting point, but another 80 cal to actually melt it. So, in
round figures, you gain only about 10% by chilling the ice. The things I find
interesting...... [Wink]
--------
Andy Turner
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| Subject: | Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
I've heard, but can't find documentation that the word "experimental" is required
on the interior of our planes.
I'm not talking about the panel placard but on either interior of door, baggage
bulkhead or similar location.
If this is true, is there any specific size or style of lettering required? Source
of requirement?
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
It is true, I put mine on my doors, upside down so it is readable when the
person enters the plane.....
Plug for Abbey.......she did a great job of sewing it on my door
upholstery...she knew what size to make it, so you guessed it, I don't. You
always learn from doing.....no so much from paying to have it done.
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomhanaway
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte
I've heard, but can't find documentation that the word "experimental" is
required on the interior of our planes.
I'm not talking about the panel placard but on either interior of door,
baggage bulkhead or similar location.
If this is true, is there any specific size or style of lettering required?
Source of requirement?
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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Better chance of clearing the tail than the ground.
________________________________
> From: toaster73@embarqmail.com
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parachutes
> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:13:44 -0400
>
> If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
> -CHris Lucas
> #40072
> do not archive
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
As with anything in the FAR's, it's there and worded very specifically.
The placard you're asking about is in section (b). I do believe
that although many people get away with putting it on the rear
passenger armrest area, or on the bulkhead wall in the baggage
area, those are actually not in conformance and not meeting the
intention, which is to inform people as they board.
See below: "Near the entrance"
FAR Sec. 45.23
Display of marks; general.
(a) Each operator of an aircraft shall display on that aircraft marks
consisting of the Roman capital letter "N" (denoting United States
registration) followed by the registration number of the aircraft. Each
suffix letter used in the marks displayed must also be a Roman capital
letter.
[(b) When marks include only the Roman capital letter "N" and the
registration number is displayed on limited, restricted or light-sport
category aircraft or experimental or provisionally certificated
aircraft, the operator must also display on that aircraft near each
entrance to the cabin, cockpit, or pilot station, in letters not less
than 2 inches nor more than 6 inches high, the words "limited,"
"restricted," "light-sport," "experimental," or "provisional," as
applicable.]
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
tomhanaway wrote:
> <tomhanaway@comcast.net>
>
> I've heard, but can't find documentation that the word "experimental"
> is required on the interior of our planes.
>
> I'm not talking about the panel placard but on either interior of
> door, baggage bulkhead or similar location.
>
> If this is true, is there any specific size or style of lettering
> required? Source of requirement?
>
> Thanks, Tom Hanaway Boynton Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
That was quick,
Thanks.
Since Abby at Flightline is doing my interior, I'll go with the doors.
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
Since I was doing a custom interior, I didn't really want to use the standard "Experimental"
sticker or the size of the letters. I checked with EAA about the
FAR and what is really required. They told me the wording has to be at all
passenger entrances into the aircraft. The great thing I found out was that the
only size requirement for the EXERIMENTAL is it has to be at least 2" tall
and not taller than 6". This was perfect. I used my computer and condensed the
wording down to a 6" length but still had the 2" height. A wood placard was
made with the lettering engraved in it and will be inset into the upper interior
door panel. I attached some pictures on what I did.
Greg Hale
N210KH
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Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH
www.nwacaptain.com
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Certainly there is a chance to hit it but remember that your velocity is
that of the aircraft; I would forcibly launch myself about perpendicular to
the longitudinal axis. The plan may not be perfect but the door. when they
exit the aircraft, don't always hit the horizontal stab. Of the four door
episodes only one hit the stab.What ever the result it would seem better to
land by parachute rather than in the aluminum ball one just exited.
_____
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parachutes
If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
-CHris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
Well, I only actually spent one night in a Holiday Inn...
I was thinking of dry ice but it is kind of expensive.
Albert
PS: flew up to Sedona Sat. for their plane and car show and the spring bias
rudder trim system worked very well. If I climb a little aggressively on
take off I do have to add a little right rudder but otherwise the trim
system handles climb, cruise, and descent.
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Well Albert, you got me to thinking - it is true that chilling your ice
below 0 C will give you a little more cooling, but just a little more,
because it takes to much more heat to melt a given quantity of ice than it
does to merely raise the temperature. The specific heat of ice is about 0.5
cal/g, the latent heat of fusion is 80 cal/g. So, if you cool your ice in
the freezer to -20 C (which is a very cold household freezer), it requires
just 10 cal to warm each gram of ice to the melting point, but another 80
cal to actually melt it. So, in round figures, you gain only about 10% by
chilling the ice. The things I find interesting...... [Wink]
Andy Turner
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Hey Albert,
Sometimes I can't tell yet when you guys are spoofing, but just in case I'll pass
this along. Just this last week I heard of two guys that died because they
kept dry ice in their tent and the CO2 got them. Probably lots of ventilation
in the plane, CO2 sensors, etc. but I don't think I'd use dry ice.
Later, - Lew
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crazy about building
NOW OFICIALLY BUILDER #40549
Engine and FF here, now cowl and baffels,waiting on prop.
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The parachute comment was a joke as I was lamenting the recent spate of
ignition systems issues. The thought of placing two different ignition
systems in your plane for redundancy and they both have problems. That
being said... I expect opening the door should take care of the tail.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parachutes
If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
-CHris Lucas
#40072
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Thats funny! Talking of doors the after market door guides have been
great with the doors rock solid in place.
regards Chris VH-ICY
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From: Robin Marks
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Parachutes
The parachute comment was a joke as I was lamenting the recent spate
of ignition systems issues. The thought of placing two different
ignition systems in your plane for redundancy and they both have
problems. That being said. I expect opening the door should take care of
the tail.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:14 PM
To: rv10-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parachutes
If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
-CHris Lucas
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I won't soapbox here too much, but I'll just say that if you plan to use
a parachute as a form of egress in an emergency, it'd be prudent to get
some actual training. Round parachutes, square parachutes, it all makes
a difference, so definitely get some input from someone with experience
before you buy. Just as a point of reference, 32% of all the skydiving
fatalities in the last 5 years worldwide happened during landing with a
fully functioning parachute. I've lost a few friends this way, and I'd
like to remind people that a functioning parachute does not equal
safety. Especially with no training and no experience. Just so you
know who's giving advice, I've been skydiving for a few years, have a
little over 2000 skydives, and around 100 base jumps. Heck, I blew off
working on the airplane yesterday and went jumpin - made 11 jumps.
Skydiving's fun! everyone should try it. especially if you expect it
to maybe save your life sometime!
I don't mean to be a bummer, and I think parachutes are neato, and
extremely useful. It's certainly better to have a parachute and no
training rather than no parachute if you really need it. I'm just an
advocate for training.
cj
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robin Marks
Sent: Mon 9/22/2008 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Parachutes
The parachute comment was a joke as I was lamenting the recent spate of
ignition systems issues. The thought of placing two different ignition
systems in your plane for redundancy and they both have problems. That
being said... I expect opening the door should take care of the tail.
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Parachutes
If you were to get out, how do you know you can clear the tail?
-CHris Lucas
#40072
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| Subject: | Re: Cooling via Ice Chest |
lol...funny stuff...
Rick S.
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From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:59:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
I slept in a Holiday Inn within the past year so feel competent to answer
this question. Ice can get cold as h... but not warmer than 32. So if you
stoke the ice chest with ice out of the freezer (around 10 degrees I think
for home units) as opposed to ice that's just getting ready to turn into
water you get more cooling. I keep a bag in the freezer side of my fridge at
the hangar just for this-and no other-purpose.
Albert
-----Original Message-----
Al,
"The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with"
Wouldn't the ice be something like 32 degrees all the time? :)
Rick Sked
40185
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| Subject: | Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte |
Thanks for the great idea.- I have a friend who does engraving.- Was no
t looking forward to sticking that god awful looking sticker on each door.
- I'll have him make up some nice looking aluminum pacards about the same
size you made.- He can do them in most colors.- Anyone else interested
, let me know.- I attached one of my HUGE pics, sorry, haven't had time t
o do the conversion.... it's one he made for my cabin heat, emerg brake and
alt air.
Don
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, greghale <ghale5224@aol.com> wrote:
From: greghale <ghale5224@aol.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Standards for word "Experimental" required on inte
<ghale5224@aol.com>
Since I was doing a custom interior, I didn't really want to use the
standard "Experimental" sticker or the size of the letters. I checked
with EAA about the FAR and what is really required. They told me the wordi
ng
has to be at all passenger entrances into the aircraft. The great thing I
found
out was that the only size requirement for the EXERIMENTAL is it has to be
at
least 2" tall and not taller than 6". This was perfect. I used my
computer and condensed the wording down to a 6" length but still had the
2" height. A wood placard was made with the lettering engraved in it and
will be inset into the upper interior door panel. I attached some pictures
on
what I did.
Greg Hale
N210KH
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www.nwacaptain.com
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I think I know the problem,,, wasn't it a Holiday Inn Express that you needed to
stay in!
Don
--- On Mon, 9/22/08, Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Rick Sked <ricksked@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
lol...funny stuff...
Rick S.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Gardner" <ibspud@roadrunner.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:59:02 PM (GMT-0800) America/Los_Angeles
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Cooling via Ice Chest
<ibspud@roadrunner.com>
I slept in a Holiday Inn within the past year so feel competent to answer
this question. Ice can get cold as h... but not warmer than 32. So if you
stoke the ice chest with ice out of the freezer (around 10 degrees I think
for home units) as opposed to ice that's just getting ready to turn into
water you get more cooling. I keep a bag in the freezer side of my fridge at
the hangar just for this-and no other-purpose.
Albert
-----Original Message-----
Al,
"The ice doesn't last long depending on how cold the ice was to
begin with"
Wouldn't the ice be something like 32 degrees all the time? :)
Rick Sked
40185
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