---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/25/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:13 AM - Hangars (Fred Williams, M.D.) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Hangars (David McNeill) 3. 06:59 AM - Re: Hangars (John Lenhardt) 4. 09:30 AM - De-icing Prop (Im7shannon@AOL.COM) 5. 09:49 AM - Re: Hangars (Robin Marks) 6. 10:27 AM - Re: Hangars (Kelly McMullen) 7. 08:43 PM - Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles (truflite) 8. 08:51 PM - Botton Wing Skins (Wayne Hadath) 9. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles (Don McDonald) 10. 10:26 PM - Re: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles (Chris and Susie) 11. 10:45 PM - Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles (truflite) 12. 10:47 PM - Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles (truflite) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:44 AM PST US From: "Fred Williams, M.D." Subject: RV10-List: Hangars Guys; I've only been flying for four years now, but I have never ever heard anyone say that we have too many hangars and we can't rent them all out. I live in a town of 30 thousand and we have a 20 person waiting list. All the EAA newsletters and publications are always concerned about the meager growth of general aviation. Have they ever considered a campaign to work with the local airports to have reasonable rules and make it easy to build more hangars? It seems to me like the demand is there, but who wants to invest in a 100K + airplane, put several years of work in it and then ....... well you can tie it down on the ramp for $75 /month. Seems like a better way to support general aviation would be to make a void of hangars that need to be filled. Everyone would benefit. Anybody on the list have any pull with the EAA? Just my 2 cents. Dr Fred. DAR visit completed and signed off. I now "officially" have an airplane. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:27 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hangars The problems are the local municipalities. A few years ago I offered to build some T hangars at my local airport where the waiting list is 8 years+. The response was OK but after 25 or 35 years the hangars become city property. I had no intention of making an investment only to have the city confiscate it. My residual assets are for my heirs. Bureaucrats get greedy so let the FAA and city fund the hangars. Besides, when the FAA funds are involved, the rates are lower than market for equivalent space. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Williams, M.D. Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: RV10-List: Hangars --> Guys; I've only been flying for four years now, but I have never ever heard anyone say that we have too many hangars and we can't rent them all out. I live in a town of 30 thousand and we have a 20 person waiting list. All the EAA newsletters and publications are always concerned about the meager growth of general aviation. Have they ever considered a campaign to work with the local airports to have reasonable rules and make it easy to build more hangars? It seems to me like the demand is there, but who wants to invest in a 100K + airplane, put several years of work in it and then ....... well you can tie it down on the ramp for $75 /month. Seems like a better way to support general aviation would be to make a void of hangars that need to be filled. Everyone would benefit. Anybody on the list have any pull with the EAA? Just my 2 cents. Dr Fred. DAR visit completed and signed off. I now "officially" have an airplane. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:36 AM PST US From: "John Lenhardt" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hangars And that's if the airport isn't closed to build a mall. If FAA money is involved, the airport is restricted to remaining an airport or the money has to be repaid. I guess the municipalities don't want money that ties their hands. John Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNeill" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hangars > The problems are the local municipalities. A few years ago I offered to > build some T hangars at my local airport where the waiting list is 8 > years+. > The response was OK but after 25 or 35 years the hangars become city > property. I had no intention of making an investment only to have the city > confiscate it. My residual assets are for my heirs. Bureaucrats get greedy > so let the FAA and city fund the hangars. Besides, when the FAA funds are > involved, the rates are lower than market for equivalent space. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:22 AM PST US From: Im7shannon@AOL.COM Subject: RV10-List: De-icing Prop Hello, I have a flywheel and contactors for a hot prop setup from IO540 C4B5, I need a plain flywheel without the contactor rings on it for my plane, so if anyone is planning or think you might want to add a hot prop in the future wanna trade flywheels? Contact me offlist im7shannon@aol.com Thanks Kevin Shannon HRII N450KS 55 hours flying **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:46 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hangars From: "Robin Marks" "If FAA money is involved, the airport is restricted to remaining an airport" Tell that to Megs Field and their hangar owners. I own 3 hangars, 2 NICE T-hangars and a 50x50. The T's originally sold for $6,000, on a 25 year lease. They now sell for $70,000 and have 8 years left on the lease. When the lease is up the city will either take back the hangars or will renegotiate the lease to an estimated $700-1,000/month. What's the new saying..."Thanks But No Thanks..." The expiring lease drove me to purchase the 50x50 which lists for twice the average US home selling price if you can find someone willing to sell. I purchased mine at an estate auction. That is of course pre-financial meltdown dollars. :-) The only upside is 18 years remaining on that lease. In typical city thinking some of the hangars are sliding down an incline. The city has accessed the hangar owners big bucks to stabilize THEIR hillside so further damage does not happen to their hangars. First they build the hangars on unstable ground, then they charge you to fix their mistake then they take the hangars away. That being said I LOVE my hangars.... Robin Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Lenhardt Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:58 AM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hangars And that's if the airport isn't closed to build a mall. If FAA money is involved, the airport is restricted to remaining an airport or the money has to be repaid. I guess the municipalities don't want money that ties their hands. John Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNeill" Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:32 AM Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hangars > The problems are the local municipalities. A few years ago I offered to > build some T hangars at my local airport where the waiting list is 8 > years+. > The response was OK but after 25 or 35 years the hangars become city > property. I had no intention of making an investment only to have the city > confiscate it. My residual assets are for my heirs. Bureaucrats get greedy > so let the FAA and city fund the hangars. Besides, when the FAA funds are > involved, the rates are lower than market for equivalent space. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:43 AM PST US From: "Kelly McMullen" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Hangars FAA will not fund hangars or shade spaces, only ramp space. Chandler did a deal for 40 year leases, then they get the structures, which is still a rotten deal. On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:58 AM, John Lenhardt wrote: > > And that's if the airport isn't closed to build a mall. > > If FAA money is involved, the airport is restricted to remaining an airport > or the money has to be repaid. I guess the municipalities don't want money > that ties their hands. > > John > > Do Not Archive > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David McNeill" > Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:32 AM > Subject: RE: RV10-List: Hangars > >> The problems are the local municipalities. A few years ago I offered to >> build some T hangars at my local airport where the waiting list is 8 >> years+. >> The response was OK but after 25 or 35 years the hangars become city >> property. I had no intention of making an investment only to have the city >> confiscate it. My residual assets are for my heirs. Bureaucrats get greedy >> so let the FAA and city fund the hangars. Besides, when the FAA funds are >> involved, the rates are lower than market for equivalent space. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:52 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles From: "truflite" I did some shopping today and as a result, I can lower the price to $175.00 for the pair, mated to your lock mechanism. Dave -------- David Nellis 7A Slider Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6239#206239 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:43 PM PST US From: "Wayne Hadath" Subject: RV10-List: Botton Wing Skins I anybody who has installed the bottom wing skin will agree it is not one of the more pleasant or easiest job in the construction of an aluminum aircraft. The RV 10 is no exception and the task is fraught with opportunity to make the unsightly blemishes. At least for me the stiffener was the area of greatest difficulty when I did the right wing. On the left wing I back riveted the stiffener. This made the job of riveting the bottom skin much easier and quicker. For those of you who have not reached this step yet you might want to consider this method. Also remember that the spar line will have to be trimmed about 1/16 because it is too wide or you will get pillowing or oil canning. At least it was on my kit. Wayne F1 Rocket (280 hours) Checked by AVG. 6:29 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:42:48 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles Ok, I'm game.- Can you spell out for us exactly what we need to send to y ou, and where to send it. Also what the turnaround time might be???- Do y ou market other products?- Have you seen the shoulder harness bracket and headset bracket I have offered for the RV10? Thanks, Don McDonald --- On Thu, 9/25/08, truflite wrote: From: truflite Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles I did some shopping today and as a result, I can lower the price to $175.00 for the pair, mated to your lock mechanism. Dave -------- David Nellis 7A Slider Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6239#206239 =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:34 PM PST US From: "Chris and Susie" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles David I looked at the pics and was trying to work out the advantage of your lock? Is it a visual thing only? regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "truflite" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles > > I did some shopping today and as a result, I can lower the price to > $175.00 for the pair, mated to your lock mechanism. > > Dave > > -------- > David Nellis > 7A Slider > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6239#206239 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:03 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles From: "truflite" Pictures are available at: http://davidnellis.myphotoalbum.com/ Click on door handles. There are two pics of the prototype. The third pic shows what I need to have from you, minus the racks. I will need the pinion gear. Basically, I need the entire lock mechanism for both doors, either in parts or built up. You will receive the locks back built up and ready to install. Send the locks and $175.00 plus $10.00 shipping to David Nellis 46293 Jasmine Court Chesterfield Township, MI 48047 (586)329-3931 I need to have at least 10 sets ordered to get this price. Turnaround time should be about 1 month or slightly less. If I get less orders than 10, I will return your check, no questions or fees. I have not seen your brackets, but I would be interested in seeing them. -------- David Nellis 7A Slider Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6255#206255 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:28 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Aftermarket Aluminum Inside Door Handles From: "truflite" Chris, This is in response to few builders that do not like the simplistic look of the door handles. My handles are made for aesthetic or cosmetic reasons. They will function with the lock the same as the factory setup. -------- David Nellis 7A Slider Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 6257#206257 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.