---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/04/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:50 AM - Re: Door warning switch (greghale) 2. 08:03 AM - Re: Re: Door warning switch (William Curtis) 3. 08:32 AM - Re: Copperstate fly-in (Deems Davis) 4. 08:49 AM - Re: Copperstate fly-in (woxofswa) 5. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (David McNeill) 6. 09:31 AM - Re: Copperstate fly-in (N410RG) 7. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (Deems Davis) 8. 02:20 PM - Re: Copperstate fly-in (Albert Gardner) 9. 05:42 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (Don McDonald) 10. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (Kelly McMullen) 11. 06:28 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (David McNeill) 12. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (William Souza) 13. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Copperstate fly-in (William Souza) 14. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: Door warning switch (KiloPapa) 15. 09:12 PM - Re: Door warning switch (greghale) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:13 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door warning switch From: "greghale" Gary, This is the electrical circuit using the normally closed switches. Greg... -------- Greg Hale rv10 -- N210KH www.nwacaptain.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7343#207343 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/modified_door_warning_165.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:03:08 AM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: Re: Door warning switch From: "William Curtis" When I first received the Door light warning kit and looked over the schematic, I thought "why so complicated?" Vans is usually very conservative and will default to the KISS principle unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. There is a very good reason for the relays and the seemingly more complicated circuit in the original setup. With the Van's circuit, all parts of the circuit MUST be functioning perfectly in order to extinguish the light. The door unlatched or a failure of ANY component in the circuit will keep the light illuminated as long as there is power. If a wire breaks, the light will remain on; if the relay fails, the light will remain on; if any of the switches fail, the light will remain on. The Van's circuit requires power to the relays to keep the light extinguished. Changing the switches to normally closed defeats the original purpose of the Van's design and introduces a failure mode where a break in the switch circuit will give the indication that all is well when in fact it may not. I will not be using the relays but I will be using the normally open switches. The AFS EFIS has inputs for things such as this and wired to normally open, can trigger a master alarm whenever the input line is NOT grounded. This configuration adheres to the Van's principle. If there is a break or failure of any component in the circuit, the light (master alarm) will remain illuminated. William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:32:49 AM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Copperstate fly-in It looks like at least 3 confrimed RV-10's (hopefully more) will be flying in for this years EAA Cooperstate (10/23-10/26) and I estimate they will include an avg of 2 passengers ea. John Cox is likely flying in commercially, and there are 5-8 others of us in the valley that are still 'cobbeling' our planes together and I expect will make our way there via ground transp. So this sounds like an excellent opportunity to pick some brains, is anybody interested in arranging a 'get together' ? Obvious options are: 1. Pick a day, time, and location to meet on the field and gab, visit, oogle (the planes) etc. 2. #1 coupled with a run into Casa Grande later in the day for some grub, (I'm sure we can arrange shuttles/rides for those flying in). 3. Either Fri. Night or Sat night the Davis's host a BBQ at our home. (20 minute drive north from KDVT, 60 minutes from KCGZ) Again we can arrange shuttle service to/from KDVT 4. ????? What say yee????? Deems > * > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:04 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in From: "woxofswa" I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on site. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:11 AM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Friday or Saturday night would be fine with me. For me, CGZ would be easier as I can fly there but must drive to Anthem. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woxofswa Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on site. Myron 602 421 2868 -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:55 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in From: "N410RG" It would be nice to have a small RV-10 gathering. List time and location on the airport. Bill Souza, SoCal RV Group RV-10, N410RG, New owner of Rick Grays 2007 OSH award winner. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7366#207366 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:31 PM PST US From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to refuse. I'm planning on going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an afternoon/lunch gathering? Deems woxofswa wrote: > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on site. > Myron > 602 421 2868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:28 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Copperstate fly-in I'm always happy to meet other RV owners especially to talk about RV-10's. I'm only going to be there until mid-afternoon Friday and will then return to Yuma. So for me a get-together during the day is best-time is not important. I should arrive about 8:30 AM. Cell phone is 928-210-9123 and I'll be glad to meet with any and all interested. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ N991RV ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:41 PM PST US From: Don McDonald Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in It all sounds great.... I screwed up at Osh and didn't get to meet hardly a nybody, so hopefully this time will work out.- I'm flying down with a fri end in his RV6 and would love to get together no matter what the circumstan ce.- My cell is 916-801-8402.- While talking about meeting down there I think everyone whould list their cell numbers,,,,, for obvious reasons. Don McDonald & Dennis Mangan- --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Deems Davis wrote: From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to refuse. I'm planning on going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an afternoon/lunch gathering? Deems woxofswa wrote: > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal o n site. > Myron > 602 421 2868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:47:49 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Any folks here planning on going to Land Of Enchantment Flyin next weekend? I'm thinking of flying down for one day. Don McDonald wrote: > It all sounds great.... I screwed up at Osh and didn't get to meet > hardly anybody, so hopefully this time will work out. I'm flying down > with a friend in his RV6 and would love to get together no matter what > the circumstance. My cell is 916-801-8402. While talking about > meeting down there I think everyone whould list their cell > numbers,,,,, for obvious reasons. > Don McDonald & Dennis Mangan > > --- On *Sat, 10/4/08, Deems Davis //* wrote: > > From: Deems Davis > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to refuse. I'm planning on > going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an afternoon/lunch gathering? > > Deems > > woxofswa wrote: > > > > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I > would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on > site. > > Myron > > 602 421 2868 > > > > -------- > > Myron Nelson > > Mesa, AZ > > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:47 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in The boss suggested a family outing in CA that weekend. _____ From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Any folks here planning on going to Land Of Enchantment Flyin next weekend? I'm thinking of flying down for one day. Don McDonald wrote: It all sounds great.... I screwed up at Osh and didn't get to meet hardly anybody, so hopefully this time will work out. I'm flying down with a friend in his RV6 and would love to get together no matter what the circumstance. My cell is 916-801-8402. While talking about meeting down there I think everyone whould list their cell numbers,,,,, for obvious reasons. Don McDonald & Dennis Mangan --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Deems Davis wrote: From: Deems Davis Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to refuse. I'm planning on going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an afternoon/lunch gathering? Deems woxofswa wrote: > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I can take out there. I would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on site. > Myron > 602 421 2868 > > -------- > Myron Nelson > Mesa, AZ > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > > > > > > > > > > > href="3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List%22">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?RV10-List href="3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com href="3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.co m/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:40 PM PST US From: William Souza Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Will be there Friday afternoon around 11am till Sunday leaving about 9am. Anytime to get together and talk about RV-10's will be ok. Bill Souza, Cell Phone # 661-547-6568 RV-10, N410RG SoCal RV group --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Don McDonald wrote: > From: Don McDonald > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 5:41 PM > It all sounds great.... I screwed up at Osh and didn't > get to meet hardly anybody, so hopefully this time will work > out. I'm flying down with a friend in his RV6 and > would love to get together no matter what the > circumstance. My cell is 916-801-8402. While talking > about meeting down there I think everyone whould list their > cell numbers,,,,, for obvious reasons. > Don McDonald & Dennis Mangan > > --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Deems Davis > wrote: > > From: Deems Davis > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > > Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to refuse. > I'm planning on > going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an > afternoon/lunch gathering? > > Deems > > woxofswa wrote: > "woxofswa" > > > > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy that I > can take out there. I > would be happy to set it up as a base kitchen/gathering > site to do a meal on > site. > > Myron > > 602 421 2868 > > > > -------- > > Myron Nelson > > Mesa, AZ > > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:41 PM PST US From: William Souza Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in Flying to LOE following Rosie and Tupperware gal Friday morning 7am, should arrive about 3 o'clock at LOE and leave Sunday morning 9am. Bill Souza, SoCal RV group RV-10 Cell# 661-547-6568 --- On Sat, 10/4/08, Kelly McMullen wrote: > From: Kelly McMullen > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 5:47 PM > Any folks here planning on going to Land Of Enchantment > Flyin next weekend? > I'm thinking of flying down for one day. > > Don McDonald wrote: > > It all sounds great.... I screwed up at Osh and > didn't get to meet > > hardly anybody, so hopefully this time will work out. > I'm flying down > > with a friend in his RV6 and would love to get > together no matter what > > the circumstance. My cell is 916-801-8402. While > talking about > > meeting down there I think everyone whould list their > cell > > numbers,,,,, for obvious reasons. > > Don McDonald & Dennis Mangan > > > > --- On *Sat, 10/4/08, Deems Davis > //* wrote: > > > > From: Deems Davis > > Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Copperstate fly-in > > To: rv10-list@matronics.com > > Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 2:08 PM > > > > > > > Myron, that sounds like an offer too good to > refuse. I'm planning on > > going out (driving) Saturday, How about we do an > afternoon/lunch gathering? > > > > Deems > > > > woxofswa wrote: > "woxofswa" > > > > > > > > I have a fifth wheel and a big dining canopy > that I can take out there. I > > would be happy to set it up as a base > kitchen/gathering site to do a meal on > > site. > > > Myron > > > 602 421 2868 > > > > > > -------- > > > Myron Nelson > > > Mesa, AZ > > > Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7359#207359 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > * ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:40 PM PST US From: "KiloPapa" Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Door warning switch Good observation/explanation. Kevin 40494 do not archive Subject: re: RV10-List: Re: Door warning switch > > When I first received the Door light warning kit and looked over the > schematic, I thought "why so complicated?" > > Vans is usually very conservative and will default to the KISS principle > unless there is a good reason to do otherwise. There is a very good > reason for the relays and the seemingly more complicated circuit in the > original setup. With the Van's circuit, all parts of the circuit MUST be > functioning perfectly in order to extinguish the light. The door > unlatched or a failure of ANY component in the circuit will keep the light > illuminated as long as there is power. If a wire breaks, the light will > remain on; if the relay fails, the light will remain on; if any of the > switches fail, the light will remain on. The Van's circuit requires power > to the relays to keep the light extinguished. > > Changing the switches to normally closed defeats the original purpose of > the Van's design and introduces a failure mode where a break in the switch > circuit will give the indication that all is well when in fact it may not. > > I will not be using the relays but I will be using the normally open > switches. The AFS EFIS has inputs for things such as this and wired to > normally open, can trigger a master alarm whenever the input line is NOT > grounded. This configuration adheres to the Van's principle. If there is > a break or failure of any component in the circuit, the light (master > alarm) will remain illuminated. > > William > http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:22 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Door warning switch From: "greghale" Interesting explanation. This is why I uploaded the diagram and idea. I needed some thoughts into this change before I wired it in. Thanks for the replies. 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