---------------------------------------------------------- RV10-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/06/08: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:04 AM - IO-540 Roller Tappet Kit Available (Rhonda Bewley) 2. 10:08 AM - upper fwd fuselage rib mods (woxofswa) 3. 10:36 AM - Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods (John Gonzalez) 4. 10:48 AM - Re: Lightspeed Zulu (WMD) 5. 11:00 AM - Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods (orchidman) 6. 12:33 PM - Vans EI60 alternator (David McNeill) 7. 12:46 PM - RV10 : [ Terry McMillan ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! (Email List PhotoShares) 8. 01:17 PM - RV10 : [ Harry DeLoach ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! (Email List PhotoShares) 9. 01:25 PM - RV10 : [ Peter James ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! (Email List PhotoShares) 10. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods (William Curtis) 11. 05:57 PM - Re: cowling bubble (ddnebert) 12. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: cowling bubble (Dj Merrill) 13. 11:05 PM - Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) (AirMike) 14. 11:17 PM - Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) (McGANN, Ron) 15. 11:32 PM - Re: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) (Albert Gardner) 16. 11:39 PM - Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods (Albert Gardner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:48 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: IO-540 Roller Tappet Kit Available From: "Rhonda Bewley" All: Sorry for the blatant commercial plug here folks, but I have a customer who is facing an indefinite delay in his RV-10 build. He has had his engine on order here for some time and the 540 kit is stock, awaiting assembly. He has authorized me to make his kit available to the market for someone who is looking to purchase an engine. I have not had a price increase in kits since this individual ordered his engine. However, I have been told by Lycoming that kits will go up effective 1/1/09. I have also been told that with Champion taking over Unison's magneto lines, we will probably see a 15% price increase in magnetos. If you are close to ordering your engine and want to take delivery prior to the price increases, please let me know and I will honor our 2007 pricing on this kit. If you would like to consider purchasing the engine but are not ready to take delivery until after 1/1/09, I will gladly sell you the kit at '07 pricing with the exception of any increases in accessory pricing. The engine can be built in stock configuration or customized with cold air induction and/or high compression pistons. Please contact me directly for detailed information regarding pricing if you are interested. Thank you. Rhonda Barrett-Bewley Barrett Precision Engines, Inc. 2870-B N. Sheridan Rd. Tulsa, OK 74115 (918) 835-1089 phone (918) 835-1754 fax www.barrettprecisionengines.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:25 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: upper fwd fuselage rib mods From: "woxofswa" I am building my upper fwd fuselage assembly. I know some folks have modified the ribs for more clearance. Van's recommends waiting until I have my avionics picked out and at hand before modifying, but it seems much easier to do now. I am planning a normal EFIS stack either GRT or Dynon. I was thinking of using the angle left over from the skin bending angles to mod the ribs. Should I clear out as much room as I can now or wait until later? -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7559#207559 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:26 AM PST US From: John Gonzalez Subject: RE: RV10-List: upper fwd fuselage rib mods Having just completed this with my panel all wired and together=2C I don't see how you can do anything until you have the instruments mounted in the p anel. Not only do you have to worry about the actual device(s)=2C but also the connectors coming out of the back of the unit(s). If you want to do it twice=2C you can do it now and then again later. I'd wait. John G. 409> Subject: RV10-List: upper fwd fuselage rib mods> From: woxof@a ol.com> Date: Mon=2C 6 Oct 2008 10:07:19 -0700> To: rv10-list@matronics.com lding my upper fwd fuselage assembly. I know some folks have modified the r ibs for more clearance. Van's recommends waiting until I have my avionics p icked out and at hand before modifying=2C but it seems much easier to do no w.> > I am planning a normal EFIS stack either GRT or Dynon.> > I was think ing of using the angle left over from the skin bending angles to mod the ri bs.> > Should I clear out as much room as I can now or wait until later?> > --------> Myron Nelson> Mesa=2C AZ> Emp completed=2C legacy build fuse in progress> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.c ====================> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:34 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: Lightspeed Zulu From: "WMD" Jesse, Sent you and email on this group buy. Thanks, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7563#207563 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:57 AM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods From: "orchidman" woxofswa wrote: > I am building my upper fwd fuselage assembly. I know some folks have modified the ribs for more clearance. Van's recommends waiting until I have my avionics picked out and at hand before modifying, but it seems much easier to do now. > > I am planning a normal EFIS stack either GRT or Dynon. > > I was thinking of using the angle left over from the skin bending angles to mod the ribs. > > Should I clear out as much room as I can now or wait until later? Get your instruments or exact mock up of them, lay out your panel and then figure out how much you will need to trim the ribs. As woxofswa notes, make sure you include the connectors, both electrical and pitot/static that might be required. Also, the top skin is the LAST thing you want to install. Get your wiring complete before you put the top on followed by the wind screen. I am just finishing up the wiring and working on the doors. After I finish them, I will put the gear on, and then the engine. Some where in that stage, I will put the top cover on, windshield and finish the cowling. -------- Gary Blankenbiller RV10 - # 40674 Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB (N2GB registered) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7564#207564 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:07 PM PST US From: "David McNeill" Subject: RV10-List: Vans EI60 alternator Just found the pdf for the EI60. It's at http://www.plane-power.com/installation%20instructions.htm . It contains the info on the replacement belt. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:46:15 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10 : [ Terry McMillan ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! From: Email List PhotoShares (Listers - Sorry for the delay in processing this Photoshare; all of the incoming Photoshares where getting caught by my email client's spam filter. I wondered why nobody had posted a Photoshare in a long while... I've fixed the filter and Photoshares should be processed in a normal period of time now. -Matt) A new Email List PhotoShare is available: Poster: Terry McMillan Lists: AeroElectric-list,RV-List,RV7-List,RV8-List,RV10-List,RV9-List Subject: Dual Battery System http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/terryml5c2p6@sympatico.ca.10.06.2008 ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main PhotoShare Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a PhotoShare If you wish to submit a PhotoShare of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:17:45 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10 : [ Harry DeLoach ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! From: Email List PhotoShares (Listers - Sorry for the delay in processing this Photoshare; all of the incoming Photoshares where getting caught by my email client's spam filter. I wondered why nobody had posted a Photoshare in a long while... I've fixed the filter and Photoshares should be processed in a normal period of time now. -Matt) A new Email List PhotoShare is available: Poster: Harry DeLoach Lists: RV-List,RV10-List Subject: Leaving Pensacola with a load of Schrimp... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/harry.deloach@navy.mil.10.06.2008 ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main PhotoShare Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a PhotoShare If you wish to submit a PhotoShare of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:01 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: RV10 : [ Peter James ] : New Email List PhotoShare Available! From: Email List PhotoShares (Listers - Sorry for the delay in processing this Photoshare; all of the incoming Photoshares where getting caught by my email client's spam filter. I wondered why nobody had posted a Photoshare in a long while... I've fixed the filter and Photoshares should be processed in a normal period of time now. -Matt) A new Email List PhotoShare is available: Poster: Peter James Lists: RV10-List Subject: RV-10 Hartzell Prop Spinner Cut Diagram http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Peter.James@sprint.com.10.06.2008 ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main PhotoShare Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a PhotoShare If you wish to submit a PhotoShare of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:08 PM PST US Subject: re: RV10-List: Re: upper fwd fuselage rib mods From: "William Curtis" I will offer that planes constructed such that wiring and avionics done prior to close-up, without good consideration to maintenance, troubleshooting and upgrades after construction, will be maintenance and upgrade nightmares. One way to reduce the risk of this is to put a basic ground work in place prior to close-up and then perform these functions after closeup. Avionics radio racks are relatively standard and you can find the exact measurements for each possible device in the installation manuals. This is why you can put an avionics device in an aircraft manufactured 40 years ago and not have to "rebuild" the aircraft--in most cases. The secondary benefit is that it allows you to wait until the last possible moment before you purchase your avionics. My top skin and lid is on. All electrical work was done after this and in such a ways that I can re-do at any time without any extraordinary methods. I have standard radio rack rails, front and rear that are 6.375" wide to allow for most radio racks and associated clip-nuts. Also, I see a lot of builders using nyloc nuts to hold their radio racks in place. These are easy enough to install when things are open but will be very difficult to remove and replace when the panel is in place. The standard for holding radio racks in place on certified aircraft is to use floating clip-nuts. This is but one of those minor changes that can make a big difference for maintenance and post construction installations. If you construct your aircraft in such a way that system installations can only be done during construction, you better hope the installation is perfect and you will never want to upgrade. Consider not only the installation, but also post construction maintenance and upgrades. http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/08fuselage/fuselage41m.html William http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ -------- Original Message -------- > > > woxofswa wrote: > > I am building my upper fwd fuselage assembly. I know some folks have modified the ribs for more clearance. Van's recommends waiting until I have my avionics picked out and at hand before modifying, but it seems much easier to do now. > > > > I am planning a normal EFIS stack either GRT or Dynon. > > > > I was thinking of using the angle left over from the skin bending angles to mod the ribs. > > > > Should I clear out as much room as I can now or wait until later? > > Get your instruments or exact mock up of them, lay out your panel and then figure out how much you will need to trim the ribs. > As woxofswa notes, make sure you include the connectors, both electrical and pitot/static that might be required. > Also, the top skin is the LAST thing you want to install. Get your wiring complete before you put the top on followed by the wind screen. I am just finishing up the wiring and working on the doors. After I finish them, I will put the gear on, and then the engine. Some where in that stage, I will put the top cover on, windshield and finish the cowling. > > -------- > Gary Blankenbiller > RV10 - # 40674 > Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB > (N2GB registered) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7564#207564 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Re: cowling bubble From: "ddnebert" My hangarmate just completed a Glastar Sportsman and needed to add a bulge on the fiberglass cowling to accommodate some accessory. So they marked the spot, cut a circular hole, made a form using an object of appropriate size (in the hole) and glassed over it. After sanding, the bump-out looks like it belongs there and it provides the clearance they were looking for. I'm not so comfortable with fiberglass myself, and have avoided those parts of the wingtips so far... -------- RV-10 Builder #40546 Tail mostly done, wings complete, middle of SB fuse Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7690#207690 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:03:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: cowling bubble From: Dj Merrill ddnebert wrote: > I'm not so comfortable with fiberglass myself, and have avoided those parts of the wingtips so far... FWIW, I just went to one of the SportAir 2 day workshops on composites last weekend. Prior to the class, I felt as you do. Now, I am completely confident that I could do a cowling bubble or wingtips, and although time consuming, it is actually pretty easy. Spend a weekend at one of the SportAir classes - you won't regret it! :-) -Dj -- Dj Merrill - N1JOV Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ KR-2 Builder N770DJ http://deej.net/sportsman/ http://deej.net/kr-2/ "Many things that are unexplainable happen during the construction of an airplane." --Dave Prizio, 30 Aug 2005 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:34 PM PST US Subject: RV10-List: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) From: "AirMike" The plans in section 50 say to deform the Scat tube where it passes over the fuel selector valve. I am having difficulty deforming my scat tube enough to put the front section of the cover on the tunnel. Also the screws from the fasteners will perforate the scat tube. Has anyone used a splitter or run the tube below the valve between the fuel lines and the valve? I imagine that Vans has a reason for doing it this way (on top) but I cannot for the life of me figure out why. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7726#207726 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) From: "McGANN, Ron" Yes I found this to be a mongrel of a job and my scat now has some strategically placed heatshrink tape and some additional layers of electrical tape where the nutplates punched a nice hole while 'deforming to fit'. Cheers Ron -187 painting -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AirMike Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RV10-List: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) The plans in section 50 say to deform the Scat tube where it passes over the fuel selector valve. I am having difficulty deforming my scat tube enough to put the front section of the cover on the tunnel. Also the screws from the fasteners will perforate the scat tube. Has anyone used a splitter or run the tube below the valve between the fuel lines and the valve? I imagine that Vans has a reason for doing it this way (on top) but I cannot for the life of me figure out why. -------- OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 7726#207726 "Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer." ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:00 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) You can run the tube where ever you want keeping in mind that you will want to be able to inspect/replace the fuel filter and have access to items in the tunnel. If you plan on running it underneath the selector make sure it does not interfere with the fuel lines. Some builders have placed the selector much lower than Van did and used an extension shaft for the selector knob. The fuel line routing from an Andair selector is somewhat different that from Vans fuel selector. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- Subject: RV10-List: Rear Heat Duct (Scat Tube) The plans in section 50 say to deform the Scat tube where it passes over the fuel selector valve. I am having difficulty deforming my scat tube enough to put the front section of the cover on the tunnel. Also the screws from the fasteners will perforate the scat tube. Has anyone used a splitter or run the tube below the valve between the fuel lines and the valve? I imagine that Vans has a reason for doing it this way (on top) but I cannot for the life of me figure out why. OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:07 PM PST US From: "Albert Gardner" Subject: RE: RV10-List: upper fwd fuselage rib mods You are probably aware that Van would prefer that those ribs not be modified although many builders have found it necessary to do so. I would not hasten that step though-after you get your avionics you may find altering the position even slightly can change the amount of modification necessary. And as others have pointed out you need clearance for more than just the tray. Albert Gardner Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- I am building my upper fwd fuselage assembly. I know some folks have modified the ribs for more clearance. Van's recommends waiting until I have my avionics picked out and at hand before modifying, but it seems much easier to do now. I am planning a normal EFIS stack either GRT or Dynon. I was thinking of using the angle left over from the skin bending angles to mod the ribs. Should I clear out as much room as I can now or wait until later? -------- Myron Nelson Mesa, AZ Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv10-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV10-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv10-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv10-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.