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1. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: Cab o Sil substitute (gary)
2. 06:37 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (linn Walters)
3. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (David McNeill)
4. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Don McDonald)
5. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Vernon Smith)
6. 01:11 PM - Copperstate RV-10 Nest (woxofswa)
7. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bill DeRouchey)
8. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Tim Olson)
9. 04:08 PM - Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall ()
10. 04:25 PM - Re: Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall (Don McDonald)
11. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (McGANN, Ron)
12. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (McGANN, Ron)
13. 06:19 PM - Re: Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall (nukeflyboy)
14. 07:53 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Dave Leikam)
15. 09:43 PM - Re: Re: Defrost fans (Bob Kaufmann)
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| Subject: | Re: Cab o Sil substitute |
Here is a little primer for those still unsure exactly what product to use
when.
Straight epoxy is used to lay up fiberglass cloth. This should be done
without additives like those listed below.
Cabosil is used to stop slumping and running of the epoxy. It does not
weaken the epoxy like micro Balloons does.
Chopped fibers (chopped fiberglass), Flox (chopped cotton)are used like
re-bar to give additional strength to the mix. The down side is that it
makes the cured resin a bugger to sand and does not usually give a very
smooth surface.
Micro or Micro Balloons are small spheres used to extend the resin to make
it easier to sand and have less weight than pure epoxy. However the
strength of the mix is weaker. The more balloons you add the weaker the mix
is.
The trick is to analyze your need and then mix up the appropriate material
for use.
Hopefully this helps a little for those who are just getting there feet wet
with this medium.
Gary Specketer
Dragonfly, Glasair III, Glastar, RV10, Tech counselor
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Turner
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:58 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Cab o Sil substitute
Another alternative - this cellulose based structural filler is new on the
market, promises to be easier on tools and our lungs.
http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/
350113?&cid=chanintel&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=350113
When we find our glass expert I would like to learn about any tradeoffs
associated with this product.
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Andy Turner
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
AirMike wrote:
>
> I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less than $12 and
it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on the dash about where I thought
that I would need the defrost effect most (center left). They also sell
a cheap black plastic cover that projects about 1/8" above the dash.
> The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two fans. when they
run you can barely hear them on low, but on high they really move the air.
>
> For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get started and take a
template of the dash for later finish work from Abbey????? or should I do it
all before the windshield goes in????? suggestions
>
I find that even black painted glareshields 'reflect' off the inside of
the windshield ...... and covered my glareshield in my Grumman (AA-1B)
with speaker grille cloth. A real improvement. The grille cloth
stretches and the edge was easily glued to the back side ..... used
clothespins to hold the cloth while the glue dried. The easy part was
that the galreshield in the Grumman is removable while the -10 isn't
..... so I'd do everything I could before installing the windshield.
Linn
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
I used flat black epoxy paint that is intended for propeller aft face
painting. It was painted before installation of the windscreen
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[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
--> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
AirMike wrote:
>
> I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less than $12
and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on the dash about
where I thought that I would need the defrost effect most (center left).
They also sell a cheap black plastic cover that projects about 1/8" above
the dash.
> The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two fans.
when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high they really move
the air.
>
> For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get started and
take a template of the dash for later finish work from Abbey????? or should
I do it all before the windshield goes in????? suggestions
>
I find that even black painted glareshields 'reflect' off the inside of the
windshield ...... and covered my glareshield in my Grumman (AA-1B) with
speaker grille cloth. A real improvement. The grille cloth stretches and
the edge was easily glued to the back side ..... used clothespins to hold
the cloth while the glue dried. The easy part was that the galreshield in
the Grumman is removable while the -10 isn't ..... so I'd do everything I
could before installing the windshield.
Linn
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09 Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Hey Mike, where are you located.... you're shopping in my backyard.- I li
ve in Granite Bay, and the build is finishing up in hanger J5 in Lincoln.
-
Got a part number for the fan?- You actually mounted it on top of the das
h?- I bought a really nice piece of material at Joanne's.- Fabric made
for boats and such.- Appears to have very little reflection.- I drilled
out the rivets in the dash holding the doublers for the hand grips, then i
nstalled the dash material, then reinstalled the hand grips.- Also added
an additional doubler underneath for additional strength.- Then the winds
hield went on right over the material.
My cell is 916-801-8402
Don McDonald-
#40636
--- On Wed, 10/15/08, AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> wrote:
From: AirMike <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less than $12
and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on the dash about wh
ere I
thought that I would need the defrost effect most (center left). They also
sell
a cheap black plastic cover that projects about 1/8" above the dash.
The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two fans. when
they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high they really move the
air.
For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get started and take
a
template of the dash for later finish work from Abbey????? or should I do
it
all before the windshield goes in????? suggestions
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Hi Mike=2C
I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making sure the bon
ding area for the window was free of paint. Installed computer fans with bl
ack grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare shield cover http://www.cleav
elandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This cover was rough cut be
fore installing the windshield and will be final installed very soon.
Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net> Date: W
ed=2C 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700> To: rv10-list@matronics.com> > --> RV10-L
ist message posted by: "AirMike" <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>> > I got a really c
ool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less than $12 and it has a very
small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on the dash about where I thought that
I would need the defrost effect most (center left). They also sell a cheap
black plastic cover that projects about 1/8" above the dash.> The fan cove
r is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two fans. when they run yo
u can barely hear them on low=2C but on high they really move the air.> > F
or glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get started and take
a template of the dash for later finish work from Abbey????? or should I do
it all before the windshield goes in????? suggestions> > --------> OSH '08
or Bust (busted) be there in "=3B09> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF> > > > >
Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?
==============> > >
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| Subject: | Copperstate RV-10 Nest |
Interest has been expressed by several RV-10 enthusiasts for a get-together at
the Copperstate fly-in Oct 24,25,26th at Casa Grande AZ.
I have volunteered to take an RV (as in fifth wheel) and canopy for a gathering
place, along with tables, chairs, etc.
I will be set up no later than midday on Friday through Sat night. People are
welcome to hang out all they wish. We are planning to have an outdoor movie Friday
night.
Saturday at 4:30-5 ish, we will have a carne asada buffet with all the fixins.
The cost will be a donation basis to offset the expense.
I will handle the food. I would appreciate a volunteer(s) to handle beverages.
Please email woxof@aol.com if you would like to eat at the gathering so I can get
a rough idea of a head count.
Hope to see you there!
Myron Nelson
602 421 2868
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Myron Nelson
Mesa, AZ
Emp completed, legacy build fuse in progress
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers. I hav
e a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel that was sh
owing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F. Cut the holes an
d added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in similar conditions. My fa
ns are turned on if the avionics are also on.
-
Bill DeRouchey
N939SB, flying
-
--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
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Hi Mike,
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I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making sure the bon
ding area for the window was free of paint. Installed computer fans with bl
ack grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare shield cover http://www.cleav
elandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15.-This cover was rough cut
before installing the windshield and will be final installed very soon.
-
Vern-Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)--
> Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>
>
> I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less than $12
and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on the dash about wh
ere I thought that I would need the defrost effect most (center left). They
also sell a cheap black plastic cover that projects about 1/8" above the d
ash.
> The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two fans. wh
en they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high they really move t
he air.
>
> For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get started and ta
ke a template of the dash for later finish work from Abbey????? or should I
do it all before the windshield goes in????? suggestions
>
> --------
> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Exactly! That's why I recommended them for EVERYONE, even if you don't
want defrost. Bill's data shows it....you really want a way to exhaust
the hot air under the panel.....ESPECIALLY if you use front seat
heat at all. In fact, due to the heat coming up from the front vents,
as far as I'm concerned, adding officially "heated air" ducting for
the windshield probably isn't a very worthwhile way to spend time...
you'll get plenty of heat just by running your front vents and
having the defrost fans on. That's why on mine, the fans come on
with the master switch...it doubles as an audible reminder that you
left the master on...and it ventilates any time you're using the
plane.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers. I
> have a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel that
> was showing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F. Cut the
> holes and added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in similar
> conditions. My fans are turned on if the avionics are also on.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith /<planesmith@hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:20 AM
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making sure
> the bonding area for the window was free of paint. Installed
> computer fans with black grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare
> shield cover
> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This
> cover was rough cut before installing the windshield and will be
> final installed very soon.
>
> Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less
> than $12 and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on
> the dash about where I thought that I would need the defrost effect
> most (center left). They also sell a cheap black plastic cover that
> projects about 1/8" above the dash.
> > The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford two
> fans. when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high
> they really move the air.
> >
> > For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get
> started and take a template of the dash for later finish work from
> Abbey????? or should I do it all before the windshield goes in?????
> suggestions
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall |
I'm installing a Z-14 dual batt/bus in an RV-10 with the battery and contactors
in the rear. I have current limiters on the firewall between the alternators
and the panel busses.
Should there be some protection in place for the fat wires running from the contactors
in the rear and the firewall? Should I consider the ability to manually
turn off the power through the contactors sufficient?
Thanks in advance all.
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| Subject: | Re: Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall |
I ran that cheap thin wall drip system black pipe the entire way.- I kept
my large wires seperate, the antenna wires seperate, and I think I used 2
more, one on each side, for everything else.
Don McDonald
--- On Thu, 10/16/08, mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mauledriver@nc.rr.com> wrote:
From: mauledriver@nc.rr.com <mauledriver@nc.rr.com>
Subject: RV10-List: Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall
I'm installing a Z-14 dual batt/bus in an RV-10 with the battery and
contactors in the rear. I have current limiters on the firewall between the
alternators and the panel busses.
Should there be some protection in place for the fat wires running from the
contactors in the rear and the firewall? Should I consider the ability to
manually turn off the power through the contactors sufficient?
Thanks in advance all.
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Back in the good old days, DC fans were pretty noisy devices (electrical
noise that is). What are the fans like these days? Is there any issue
with electrical interference (particularly into the audio system) from
these devices?
Just askin'.
Ron -187
painting
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
Exactly! That's why I recommended them for EVERYONE, even if you don't
want defrost. Bill's data shows it....you really want a way to exhaust
the hot air under the panel.....ESPECIALLY if you use front seat heat at
all. In fact, due to the heat coming up from the front vents, as far as
I'm concerned, adding officially "heated air" ducting for the windshield
probably isn't a very worthwhile way to spend time...
you'll get plenty of heat just by running your front vents and having
the defrost fans on. That's why on mine, the fans come on with the
master switch...it doubles as an audible reminder that you left the
master on...and it ventilates any time you're using the plane.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers.
> I have a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel
> that was showing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F.
> Cut the holes and added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in
> similar conditions. My fans are turned on if the avionics are also on.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith /<planesmith@hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:20 AM
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making
sure
> the bonding area for the window was free of paint. Installed
> computer fans with black grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare
> shield cover
> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This
> cover was rough cut before installing the windshield and will be
> final installed very soon.
>
> Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> >
> > I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less
> than $12 and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on
> the dash about where I thought that I would need the defrost
effect
> most (center left). They also sell a cheap black plastic cover
that
> projects about 1/8" above the dash.
> > The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford
two
> fans. when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high
> they really move the air.
> >
> > For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get
> started and take a template of the dash for later finish work from
> Abbey????? or should I do it all before the windshield goes
in?????
> suggestions
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
Replace 'fans' with 'motors' in the query below.
cheers,
Ron
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
--> <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Back in the good old days, DC fans were pretty noisy devices (electrical
noise that is). What are the fans like these days? Is there any issue
with electrical interference (particularly into the audio system) from
these devices?
Just askin'.
Ron -187
painting
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
Exactly! That's why I recommended them for EVERYONE, even if you don't
want defrost. Bill's data shows it....you really want a way to exhaust
the hot air under the panel.....ESPECIALLY if you use front seat heat at
all. In fact, due to the heat coming up from the front vents, as far as
I'm concerned, adding officially "heated air" ducting for the windshield
probably isn't a very worthwhile way to spend time...
you'll get plenty of heat just by running your front vents and having
the defrost fans on. That's why on mine, the fans come on with the
master switch...it doubles as an audible reminder that you left the
master on...and it ventilates any time you're using the plane.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers.
> I have a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel
> that was showing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F.
> Cut the holes and added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in
> similar conditions. My fans are turned on if the avionics are also on.
>
> Bill DeRouchey
> N939SB, flying
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith /<planesmith@hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:20 AM
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making
sure
> the bonding area for the window was free of paint. Installed
> computer fans with black grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare
> shield cover
> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This
> cover was rough cut before installing the windshield and will be
> final installed very soon.
>
> Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> >
<Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
> >
> > I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less
> than $12 and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on
> the dash about where I thought that I would need the defrost
effect
> most (center left). They also sell a cheap black plastic cover
that
> projects about 1/8" above the dash.
> > The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford
two
> fans. when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high
> they really move the air.
> >
> > For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get
> started and take a template of the dash for later finish work from
> Abbey????? or should I do it all before the windshield goes
in?????
> suggestions
> >
> > --------
> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Protecting fat wires from rear battery to firewall |
Because of the large starting currents (in excess of 200 amps) this is difficult
to do effectively. These big wires are generally not fused. Use good quality
terminations, torque them properly, make sure they are protected with bushings
through each bulkhead, inspect them at the annual, then forget about it.
The wires that do not support the starter should be protected with a fuse or circuit
breaker. But then, they are generally not big and fat.
Bob K talks about this in his book.
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How have builders determined exactly where to place the fans? Will this be
determined by the avioncs choice, or can they be installed ahead of avionics
selection and installation?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
> Replace 'fans' with 'motors' in the query below.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 10:11 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
> --> <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
>
> Back in the good old days, DC fans were pretty noisy devices (electrical
> noise that is). What are the fans like these days? Is there any issue
> with electrical interference (particularly into the audio system) from
> these devices?
>
> Just askin'.
>
> Ron -187
> painting
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 8:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
>
> Exactly! That's why I recommended them for EVERYONE, even if you don't
> want defrost. Bill's data shows it....you really want a way to exhaust
> the hot air under the panel.....ESPECIALLY if you use front seat heat at
> all. In fact, due to the heat coming up from the front vents, as far as
> I'm concerned, adding officially "heated air" ducting for the windshield
> probably isn't a very worthwhile way to spend time...
> you'll get plenty of heat just by running your front vents and having
> the defrost fans on. That's why on mine, the fans come on with the
> master switch...it doubles as an audible reminder that you left the
> master on...and it ventilates any time you're using the plane.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>> In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers.
>> I have a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel
>> that was showing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F.
>> Cut the holes and added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in
>> similar conditions. My fans are turned on if the avionics are also on.
>>
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> N939SB, flying
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith /<planesmith@hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>>
>> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:20 AM
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making
> sure
>> the bonding area for the window was free of paint. Installed
>> computer fans with black grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare
>> shield cover
>> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This
>> cover was rough cut before installing the windshield and will be
>> final installed very soon.
>>
>> Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
>> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >
> <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>> >
>> > I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less
>> than $12 and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on
>> the dash about where I thought that I would need the defrost
> effect
>> most (center left). They also sell a cheap black plastic cover
> that
>> projects about 1/8" above the dash.
>> > The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford
> two
>> fans. when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high
>> they really move the air.
>> >
>> > For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get
>> started and take a template of the dash for later finish work from
>> Abbey????? or should I do it all before the windshield goes
> in?????
>> suggestions
>> >
>> > --------
>> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Defrost fans |
I think that if the aircraft is pointed to the south, then the
defroster/avionics cooling fans should be to the north of the windscreen,
and south of the panel in the exact apex of the curve of the larger radius
of the arc on each side of the center post.
Bob K
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PS You will only change your mind 127 times.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
How have builders determined exactly where to place the fans? Will this be
determined by the avioncs choice, or can they be installed ahead of avionics
selection and installation?
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: "McGANN, Ron" <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
> Replace 'fans' with 'motors' in the query below.
>
> cheers,
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McGANN, Ron
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 10:11 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
> --> <ron.mcgann@baesystems.com>
>
> Back in the good old days, DC fans were pretty noisy devices (electrical
> noise that is). What are the fans like these days? Is there any issue
> with electrical interference (particularly into the audio system) from
> these devices?
>
> Just askin'.
>
> Ron -187
> painting
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 8:40 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>
>
> Exactly! That's why I recommended them for EVERYONE, even if you don't
> want defrost. Bill's data shows it....you really want a way to exhaust
> the hot air under the panel.....ESPECIALLY if you use front seat heat at
> all. In fact, due to the heat coming up from the front vents, as far as
> I'm concerned, adding officially "heated air" ducting for the windshield
> probably isn't a very worthwhile way to spend time...
> you'll get plenty of heat just by running your front vents and having
> the defrost fans on. That's why on mine, the fans come on with the
> master switch...it doubles as an audible reminder that you left the
> master on...and it ventilates any time you're using the plane.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Bill DeRouchey wrote:
>> In my aircraft the defroster fans have been renamed to panel coolers.
>> I have a Grand Rapids EIS6000 located at the top-center of the panel
>> that was showing 145F internal temp with the outside temp approx 70F.
>> Cut the holes and added 80mm fans and the temp dropped to 104F in
>> similar conditions. My fans are turned on if the avionics are also on.
>>
>> Bill DeRouchey
>> N939SB, flying
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 10/16/08, Vernon Smith /<planesmith@hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>>
>> From: Vernon Smith <planesmith@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 9:20 AM
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I primed the dash area before installing the windshield making
> sure
>> the bonding area for the window was free of paint. Installed
>> computer fans with black grills and am using Cleveland Tools glare
>> shield cover
>> http://www.cleavelandtoolstore.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GSF15. This
>> cover was rough cut before installing the windshield and will be
>> final installed very soon.
>>
>> Vern Smith (#324 main gear on & still finishing fiberglass:)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>>
>> > Subject: RV10-List: Re: Defrost fans
>> > From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
>> > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:40:42 -0700
>> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> >
> <Mikeabel@Pacbell.net>
>> >
>> > I got a really cool (no pun) fan at Fry's in Roseville CA. Less
>> than $12 and it has a very small 3 speed switch on it. I put it on
>> the dash about where I thought that I would need the defrost
> effect
>> most (center left). They also sell a cheap black plastic cover
> that
>> projects about 1/8" above the dash.
>> > The fan cover is about $2.99. At these prices you can afford
> two
>> fans. when they run you can barely hear them on low, but on high
>> they really move the air.
>> >
>> > For glare - should I just paint the dash flat black to get
>> started and take a template of the dash for later finish work from
>> Abbey????? or should I do it all before the windshield goes
> in?????
>> suggestions
>> >
>> > --------
>> > OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
>> > Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Read this topic online here:
>> >
>> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 8988#208988
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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