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1. 03:54 AM - Re: Gretz Heated Pitot tube back in business (andrewleopold)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (Dave Leikam)
3. 06:02 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (gary)
4. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (David McNeill)
5. 06:47 AM - Check out Neil Colliver's Aerial Photo! (Tim Olson)
6. 07:14 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 07:34 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (Tim Olson)
8. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
9. 07:38 AM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (Jesse Saint)
10. 07:57 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (Kelly McMullen)
11. 08:09 AM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (Tim Olson)
12. 08:16 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (Tim Olson)
13. 08:25 AM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (David McNeill)
14. 09:03 AM - AFS Magnometer mounting. (John Gonzalez)
15. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (John Cox)
16. 09:49 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
17. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Gretz Heated Pitot tube back in business (John Cox)
18. 10:09 AM - Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. (orchidman)
19. 11:36 AM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (RobHickman@aol.com)
20. 11:37 AM - Re: ADB-S Navworx (RobHickman@AOL.COM)
21. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (John Gonzalez)
22. 01:32 PM - Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. (RobHickman@aol.com)
23. 01:42 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (RobHickman@aol.com)
24. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (John Gonzalez)
25. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (RobHickman@aol.com)
26. 02:32 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (Steven DiNieri)
27. 02:46 PM - Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. (Fred Williams, M.D.)
28. 03:33 PM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (William Curtis)
29. 11:16 PM - Re: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) (John Cox)
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Heated Pitot tube back in business |
Thanks Mike for spreading the news about the Gretz pitots being available once
more. Its taken a little longer than we would have liked, but finally we have
the product available to ship. I think Warren Gretz's has done a great job on
the design and it's been well worth the wait.
You are right, email is not secure, and it's for this reason we have a PayPal shopping
cart available on our website. PayPal is about as secure as you can get,
with credit card details being transfered on their secure site between the
customer and PayPal only.
Thanks again.
Andrew Leopold
Angus Aviation Pty Ltd
Level 1, 129 Greenhill Road
Unley 5061,
South Australia
Tel 011 61 8 83571842
Fax 011 61 8 83571899
andrew(at)angusaviation.com
www.angusaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
Just a bit of info on the subject of alternatives to Weld-on, I had planned
on using Scotch Weld 2216 which was recommend to me by a 3M rep at OSH. I
bought a small amount and did some experimenting with it recently on a scrap
of window and canopy. After sanding and prepping both parts properly, the
bond did not hold up as I would have hoped. I put one part in a vice and
pulled as to apply peal pressure to the bond. After a week of curing at
around 70 deg, the bond popped apart rather easily. I performed this test
several times and the bond always failed on the lexan side, releasing almost
completely with very little trace of epoxy left on the window scrap. I now
plan to use Weld-on but have concerns about crazing.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
>
> I think the Hysol number was 4360, but I would suggest you search the
> archives. Turned out that Hysol did not work well for at least one
> builder. I think it was Rob Hickman that had the problems. I was going to
> use Hysol, but changed back to Weld-On when I heard about poor adhesion
> issues. No problems with the Weld-On.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9612#209612
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
IMHO Vans has not thought out the design of the window install very well.
Other designs capture the window in between two lips of fiberglass. Then
you don't need to worry about how good the adhesion of the acrylic is.
Acrylic is very susceptible to chemical crazing. Thus you can avoid it by
capturing it between fiberglass and not worrying about the bond. The method
has been described here several times and Glasair, Glastar, Lancair all use
this method. Some have the capture on the inside and some on the outside.
Gary
40274 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
Just a bit of info on the subject of alternatives to Weld-on, I had planned
on using Scotch Weld 2216 which was recommend to me by a 3M rep at OSH. I
bought a small amount and did some experimenting with it recently on a scrap
of window and canopy. After sanding and prepping both parts properly, the
bond did not hold up as I would have hoped. I put one part in a vice and
pulled as to apply peal pressure to the bond. After a week of curing at
around 70 deg, the bond popped apart rather easily. I performed this test
several times and the bond always failed on the lexan side, releasing almost
completely with very little trace of epoxy left on the window scrap. I now
plan to use Weld-on but have concerns about crazing.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
>
> I think the Hysol number was 4360, but I would suggest you search the
> archives. Turned out that Hysol did not work well for at least one
> builder. I think it was Rob Hickman that had the problems. I was going to
> use Hysol, but changed back to Weld-On when I heard about poor adhesion
> issues. No problems with the Weld-On.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9612#209612
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
That's the method I was referring to Phoenix Composites. After the initial
bond two fiberglass Eglass strips are bonded around the exterior edge. For
clamping use the bent aluminum fingers and clecoes.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:59 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
IMHO Vans has not thought out the design of the window install very well.
Other designs capture the window in between two lips of fiberglass. Then
you don't need to worry about how good the adhesion of the acrylic is.
Acrylic is very susceptible to chemical crazing. Thus you can avoid it by
capturing it between fiberglass and not worrying about the bond. The method
has been described here several times and Glasair, Glastar, Lancair all use
this method. Some have the capture on the inside and some on the outside.
Gary
40274 Flying
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
Just a bit of info on the subject of alternatives to Weld-on, I had planned
on using Scotch Weld 2216 which was recommend to me by a 3M rep at OSH. I
bought a small amount and did some experimenting with it recently on a scrap
of window and canopy. After sanding and prepping both parts properly, the
bond did not hold up as I would have hoped. I put one part in a vice and
pulled as to apply peal pressure to the bond. After a week of curing at
around 70 deg, the bond popped apart rather easily. I performed this test
several times and the bond always failed on the lexan side, releasing almost
completely with very little trace of epoxy left on the window scrap. I now
plan to use Weld-on but have concerns about crazing.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
----- Original Message -----
From: <dmaib@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
>
> I think the Hysol number was 4360, but I would suggest you search the
> archives. Turned out that Hysol did not work well for at least one
> builder. I think it was Rob Hickman that had the problems. I was going to
> use Hysol, but changed back to Weld-On when I heard about poor adhesion
> issues. No problems with the Weld-On.
>
> --------
> David Maib
> RV-10 #40559
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9612#209612
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Check out Neil Colliver's Aerial Photo! |
Beautiful plane in a beautiful country!
http://www.myrv10.com/miscphotos/NeilColliver/ZKRVT.jpg
--
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Let me guess, has something to do with Chelton's. :)
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADB-S Navworx
I may have some news for you on that next week.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
David McNeill wrote:
> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>
> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: ADB-S Navworx |
Well, it's a long time ago that Chelton started supporting ADS-B,
especially since they were basically what, the first ADS-B enabled
system in the world with the capstone project? So anyway,
ADS-B is already supported and is an option enable-able in
software. What isn't known is if there is any trick to getting
something other than the original ADS-B receiver used for the
project to interface with the system.
Luckily, since I live basically in an area of TIS coverage with
Mode-S, and am only maybe 10-20 minutes from reaching the
ADS-B ground station's range at GRB, I am in a great area
to get traffic from either system.
This weekend I'll be doing some interface work with NavWorx
to see if we can get the NavWorx receiver displaying data
on the Chelton's screens. They also have a cool future benefit
in that their plan is to ALSO receive the TIS info from the
GTX330 transponder, and basically pass that traffic through
their box so that no matter which type of coverage you have,
their box can pass the traffic on to the Chelton.
It may be as simple as plugging in the cable, enabling
the software, and seeing the Wx and Traffic. It may take
more work. But, it sounds like NavWorx is dedicated to
making it available to Chelton's users (and probably
many other systems), so I would think it won't be long and
there will be something worth reporting.
For me, Traffic has become an invaluable option, and so
has weather. I doubt I'll give up WSI's weather at least
until there is almost 100% weather coverage in the lower
48 states, but I'm pumped to be able to add even more
TIS coverage.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>
> Let me guess, has something to do with Chelton's. :)
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADB-S Navworx
>
>
> I may have some news for you on that next week.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> David McNeill wrote:
>> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>>
>> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>>
>> *
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
Dave,
Be careful throwing around trade names. If you went to the 3M guys and said
you wanted to bond Lexan and fiberglass you would be wrong which could have led
to your problem. Lexan is polycarbonate which is not what we have. We have
acrylic windows which also goes by the trade name Plexiglass. Might not have
made a difference but I have no idea.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
Just a bit of info on the subject of alternatives to Weld-on, I had planned
on using Scotch Weld 2216 which was recommend to me by a 3M rep at OSH. I
bought a small amount and did some experimenting with it recently on a scrap
of window and canopy. After sanding and prepping both parts properly, the
bond did not hold up as I would have hoped. I put one part in a vice and
pulled as to apply peal pressure to the bond. After a week of curing at
around 70 deg, the bond popped apart rather easily. I performed this test
several times and the bond always failed on the lexan side, releasing almost
completely with very little trace of epoxy left on the window scrap. I now
plan to use Weld-on but have concerns about crazing.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Navworx |
It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would
imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer
an input (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to
the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's
unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on
their too.
do not archive
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse@saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>
> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADB-S Navworx |
Last time I flew into EAU in a plane with GTX330 displaying traffic on
GNS430, we lost TIS as soon as beyond MSP airspace and nothing around
EAU.
Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
> Luckily, since I live basically in an area of TIS coverage with
> Mode-S, and am only maybe 10-20 minutes from reaching the
> ADS-B ground station's range at GRB, I am in a great area
> to get traffic from either system.
>
> This weekend I'll be doing some interface work with NavWorx
> to see if we can get the NavWorx receiver displaying data
> on the Chelton's screens. They also have a cool future benefit
> in that their plan is to ALSO receive the TIS info from the
> GTX330 transponder, and basically pass that traffic through
> their box so that no matter which type of coverage you have,
> their box can pass the traffic on to the Chelton.
>
> It may be as simple as plugging in the cable, enabling
> the software, and seeing the Wx and Traffic. It may take
> more work. But, it sounds like NavWorx is dedicated to
> making it available to Chelton's users (and probably
> many other systems), so I would think it won't be long and
> there will be something worth reporting.
>
> For me, Traffic has become an invaluable option, and so
> has weather. I doubt I'll give up WSI's weather at least
> until there is almost 100% weather coverage in the lower
> 48 states, but I'm pumped to be able to add even more
> TIS coverage.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>
>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>
>> Let me guess, has something to do with Chelton's. :)
>>
>> Do not archive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM
>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADB-S Navworx
>>
>>
>> I may have some news for you on that next week.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> David McNeill wrote:
>>>
>>> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>>>
>>> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>>>
>>> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Navworx |
I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the
GTX-330, it won't be a stretch to add on support
for ADS-B TIS. And, if they offer XM or WSI Wx, it
won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx. ADS-B comes
with both, so getting them to offer it as an option
may take some programming time, but I would expect
to see it offered on any of the systems that actually
invest the time and effort into their products.
I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an
alternative to the Gorilla, because the only thing
keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and now
that won't nearly be a problem. Anything over $5000
for a simple add-on though is just inexcuseable,
and Garmin just had the market cornered. I think
that will change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would imagine
> before long most or all of the experimental units will offer an input
> (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to the Garmin
> unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's unit, but you can
> bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on their too.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>>
>> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>> *
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>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: ADB-S Navworx |
Yeah, I can get into TIS coverage at about 4,000', with
ground at 1,000' msl. If you go past KLUM though towards
KEAU, you will lose it not much further than my base
airport. (I'm not based at EAU) When I fly most trips,
if I go west I'm in TIS coverage within 5 minutes of
taking off. I don't often go straight East, but I
get coverage maybe 30-40 minutes into the flight,
and if I go South East towards Chicago, I get TIS
coverage well before KMSN. The Mode S coverage is
actually pretty darn good going from MSP to Florida
or to the East Coast. I had lots and lots of time
within coverage areas on my trip up to New England
a couple weeks ago.
The cool thing about ADS-B is that over time, as
all planes equip, it won't matter if you're even
in range of a GBT to get TIS, as long as the other
plane has ADS-B also. So while Mode S is fairly
widely available and awesome today, but scheduled
for phazing out over the next many years, in that
same timeframe ADS-B will be phasing in and growing,
so having both will really keep someone fully
set up for some great traffic coverage. I don't
regret for a second my GTX330...that thing has
been fantastic.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> Last time I flew into EAU in a plane with GTX330 displaying traffic on
> GNS430, we lost TIS as soon as beyond MSP airspace and nothing around
> EAU.
> Kelly
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
>> Luckily, since I live basically in an area of TIS coverage with
>> Mode-S, and am only maybe 10-20 minutes from reaching the
>> ADS-B ground station's range at GRB, I am in a great area
>> to get traffic from either system.
>>
>> This weekend I'll be doing some interface work with NavWorx
>> to see if we can get the NavWorx receiver displaying data
>> on the Chelton's screens. They also have a cool future benefit
>> in that their plan is to ALSO receive the TIS info from the
>> GTX330 transponder, and basically pass that traffic through
>> their box so that no matter which type of coverage you have,
>> their box can pass the traffic on to the Chelton.
>>
>> It may be as simple as plugging in the cable, enabling
>> the software, and seeing the Wx and Traffic. It may take
>> more work. But, it sounds like NavWorx is dedicated to
>> making it available to Chelton's users (and probably
>> many other systems), so I would think it won't be long and
>> there will be something worth reporting.
>>
>> For me, Traffic has become an invaluable option, and so
>> has weather. I doubt I'll give up WSI's weather at least
>> until there is almost 100% weather coverage in the lower
>> 48 states, but I'm pumped to be able to add even more
>> TIS coverage.
>>
>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
>>> <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>>>
>>> Let me guess, has something to do with Chelton's. :)
>>>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:47 PM
>>> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADB-S Navworx
>>>
>>>
>>> I may have some news for you on that next week.
>>>
>>> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
>>> do not archive
>>>
>>>
>>> David McNeill wrote:
>>>> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>>>>
>>>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Until Gorilla swallows them and triples the price and halves the support.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the GTX-330, it won't be a
stretch to add on support for ADS-B TIS. And, if they offer XM or WSI Wx,
it won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx. ADS-B comes with both, so getting
them to offer it as an option may take some programming time, but I would
expect to see it offered on any of the systems that actually invest the time
and effort into their products.
I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an alternative to the Gorilla,
because the only thing keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and now
that won't nearly be a problem. Anything over $5000 for a simple add-on
though is just inexcuseable, and Garmin just had the market cornered. I
think that will change.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Jesse Saint wrote:
> It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would
> imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer
> an input (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to
> the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's
> unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on
their too.
>
> do not archive
>
> Jesse Saint
> Saint Aviation, Inc.
> jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> Cell: 352-427-0285
> Fax: 815-377-3694
>
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
>
>> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
>>
>> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
>> *
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
>> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | AFS Magnometer mounting. |
I made a bracket like the one someone posted a picture of in a prior email
so that it mounts on the top portion of the bulhead aft of the battery comp
artment.
After looking at the mounting directions in the manual=2C I am perplexed th
at AFS does not make a bracket which the magnometer it mounted on to allow
fine tuning the direction of mounting the unit. A leveller to accounts for
pitch=2C role and yaw. Guess I will have to fabricate a mounting plate that
does this with fine tuning aluminum screws. Now using a laser leveller ins
ide the plane from the EFIs screen to the magnometer=2C how will I manage t
hat?
Am I making this more complicated than it really is????????????????????????
?????????????/
JOhn G.
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
Depending on Trade name, it is important to specific the correct
substrates. It is also great practice to take a sample of each and use
the properly glued product to judge the result before committing a
several hundred dollar plexi windscreen to the canopy. Lexan(tm) brings
a whole new set of problems into the final equation.
Dave's effort at a sample coupon sacrificed for the cause, is a great
step. I would bet he actually used plexi cut from the original screen.
Proper preparation of the surfaces can make all the difference in the
adhesion. Crazing is a chemistry and stress matter. Those coupons can
be used to show the effects of various window cleaner chemicals as well.
LP Plastics - George and
AP Plastics - Jeff can both give you a great baseline of data. LP has
offered to provide thicker and tinted versions of the RV-10 product
line. That is another story.
It sounds like Dave was sold by the 3M rep, which is the salesman's job.
John Cox
Do not Archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
<rvbuilder@sausen.net>
Dave,
Be careful throwing around trade names. If you went to the 3M guys
and said you wanted to bond Lexan and fiberglass you would be wrong
which could have led to your problem. Lexan is polycarbonate which is
not what we have. We have acrylic windows which also goes by the trade
name Plexiglass. Might not have made a difference but I have no idea.
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Leikam
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
Just a bit of info on the subject of alternatives to Weld-on, I had
planned
on using Scotch Weld 2216 which was recommend to me by a 3M rep at OSH.
I
bought a small amount and did some experimenting with it recently on a
scrap
of window and canopy. After sanding and prepping both parts properly,
the
bond did not hold up as I would have hoped. I put one part in a vice
and
pulled as to apply peal pressure to the bond. After a week of curing at
around 70 deg, the bond popped apart rather easily. I performed this
test
several times and the bond always failed on the lexan side, releasing
almost
completely with very little trace of epoxy left on the window scrap. I
now
plan to use Weld-on but have concerns about crazing.
Dave Leikam
RV-10 #40496
N89DA (Reserved)
Muskego, WI
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So here's a question. If you are feeding it TIS info from your 330, would it
then rebroadcast that via ADS-B?
Hey Rob, is this in your pipeline to support in the AFS EFIS products?
Michael
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From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADB-S Navworx
Yeah, I can get into TIS coverage at about 4,000', with
ground at 1,000' msl. If you go past KLUM though towards
KEAU, you will lose it not much further than my base
airport. (I'm not based at EAU) When I fly most trips,
if I go west I'm in TIS coverage within 5 minutes of
taking off. I don't often go straight East, but I
get coverage maybe 30-40 minutes into the flight,
and if I go South East towards Chicago, I get TIS
coverage well before KMSN. The Mode S coverage is
actually pretty darn good going from MSP to Florida
or to the East Coast. I had lots and lots of time
within coverage areas on my trip up to New England
a couple weeks ago.
The cool thing about ADS-B is that over time, as
all planes equip, it won't matter if you're even
in range of a GBT to get TIS, as long as the other
plane has ADS-B also. So while Mode S is fairly
widely available and awesome today, but scheduled
for phazing out over the next many years, in that
same timeframe ADS-B will be phasing in and growing,
so having both will really keep someone fully
set up for some great traffic coverage. I don't
regret for a second my GTX330...that thing has
been fantastic.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Gretz Heated Pitot tube back in business |
Thank You from across the pond.
John Cox
RV-10
Aurora, OR USA
Be sure and archive the website!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrewleopold
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:53 AM
Subject: RV10-List: Re: Gretz Heated Pitot tube back in business
<andrewleopold@robran.com.au>
Thanks Mike for spreading the news about the Gretz pitots being
available once more. Its taken a little longer than we would have liked,
but finally we have the product available to ship. I think Warren
Gretz's has done a great job on the design and it's been well worth the
wait.
You are right, email is not secure, and it's for this reason we have a
PayPal shopping cart available on our website. PayPal is about as secure
as you can get, with credit card details being transfered on their
secure site between the customer and PayPal only.
Thanks again.
Andrew Leopold
Angus Aviation Pty Ltd
Level 1, 129 Greenhill Road
Unley 5061,
South Australia
Tel 011 61 8 83571842
Fax 011 61 8 83571899
andrew(at)angusaviation.com
www.angusaviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. |
indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com wrote:
> Am I making this more complicated than it really is
When you build and mount the bracket, that is when you start with the level. Shims
should work to fine tune it. This is not unique to AFS.
--------
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
I tried the following from Lancair:
9360 Hysol is a two-component toughened paste adhesive, which combines high
peel strength at room temperature with tensile lap shear strength at 225
=B0F to
250=B0F (107=B0C to 121=B0C).
My front windshield is still in with this along with two layers of
fiberglass over the top. I installed the side windows with WeldOn 10 and h
ad
absolutely no problems with it. In all the testing I did after the wind
ows fell
out the first time showed that the Hysol does not make a very strong bond a
nd
the WeldOn does.
Before you do anything you should test your procedures and the product on a
test piece.
Rob Hickman
RV-10 N402RH (Stuck in Cylinder recall Hell)
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| Subject: | Re: ADB-S Navworx |
In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:50:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rvbuilder@sausen.net writes:
Hey Rob, is this in your pipeline to support in the AFS EFIS products?
We believe that the traffic will already work from it with our system. We
should have it verified in the next couple of weeks.
Rob Hickman
Advanced Flight Systems
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
What bonding agent failed on the windows the first time? Which windows fail
ed?
I will be putting fiberglass over the edges of all windows=2C but the front
windscreen will need more than two layers to hold it in place if the under
lying bond fails.
John G.
From: RobHickman@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 21 Oct 2008 14:28:19 -0400Subject: Re:
RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)To: rv10-list@matronics.
com
I tried the following from Lancair:
9360 Hysol is a two-component toughened paste adhesive=2C which combines hi
gh peel strength at room temperature with tensile lap shear strength at 225
=B0F to 250=B0F (107=B0C to 121=B0C).
My front windshield is still in with this along with two layers of fibergla
ss over the top. I installed the side windows with WeldOn 10 and had absol
utely no problems with it. In all the testing I did after the windows fe
ll out the first time showed that the Hysol does not make a very strong bon
d and the WeldOn does.
Before you do anything you should test your procedures and the product on a
test piece.
Rob Hickman
RV-10 N402RH (Stuck in Cylinder recall Hell)
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. |
In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:05:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
indigoonlatigo@msn.com writes:
Am I making this more complicated than it really
is?????????????????????????????????????/
Yes,
Take a look at the following picture from my RV-10
_http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetometermountingrv1ij8.jpg_
(http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magnetometermountingrv1ij8.jpg)
It took less than an hour to make and install and it works perfectly.
I used brass screws and nuts.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
Match:
#6 Message: #17373 From: RobHickman(at)aol.com Date: Jun 30, 2008
Subject: _Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install_
(http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=33682832?KEYS=hysol_&_rob_hickman?LISTNAME=RV10
?HITNUMBER=6?SERIAL=1333066866?SHOWBUTTONS=NO)
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#10 Message: #17334 From: RobHickman(at)aol.com Date: Jun 27, 2008
Subject: _Hysol 9360 Window install update_
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HITNUMBER=10?SERIAL=1333066866?SHOWBUTTONS=NO)
Read these in the archives.
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N402RH RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
It appears that the issue here is about clamping force/compression distribu
tion and both products have their drawbacks but that Hysol is not being use
d in the same way on the 10 as on the Lancairs.
Better distribute the force with the Weld on. Again=2C I had no problems on
the rear windows=2C but they didn't need to bend to get them to fit.
John G.
From: RobHickman@aol.comDate: Tue=2C 21 Oct 2008 16:41:55 -0400Subject: Re:
RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)To: rv10-list@matronics.
com
Match:
#6
Message:
#17373
From:
RobHickman(at)aol.com
Jun 30=2C 2008
Subject:
Hysol 9360 Test and Window Install
Match:
#10
Message:
#17334
From:
RobHickman(at)aol.com
Jun 27=2C 2008
Subject:
Hysol 9360 Window install update
Read these in the archives.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
The Lancair window flange is also about 2" wide and the windows are
installed from the inside of the plane.
Rob Hickman
N402RH RV-10
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
After the last post about the relatively light clamping pressure and the
appearance of cracks, leads me to believe that perhaps the weld on
product may create some exothermic heat during cure. Isn't it possible
that the clamps may not be cracking the plexi from pressure but from the
concentration of heat. or the lack of even temps during cure? Now I
don't have any experience with weld on adhesive, but I'd be curious to
here if anyone thinks this is possible.
Steve DiNieri
iflyrv10.com
40208
From: John Gonzalez
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
It appears that the issue here is about clamping force/compression
distribution and both products have their drawbacks but that Hysol is
not being used in the same way on the 10 as on the Lancairs.
Better distribute the force with the Weld on. Again, I had no problems
on the rear windows, but they didn't need to bend to get them to fit.
John G.
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| Subject: | Re: AFS Magnometer mounting. |
Maybe a little more complicated than necessary. I have a AFS 3500
unit. I went to the local airplane supply store ( home Depot) got two
3/4 x 1/8 aluminum angles. I then bolted them to the longerons in the
bay aft of the battery compartment. Spaced them apart enough to hold
the AFS unit. I then screwed the unit onto the rails with brass screws
and locknuts. You now are automatically aligned side to side and for
and aft. I have had no problems with the calibration or readings on the
AFS. Also, I did put some clear vinyl hose on the rear seat belts to
keep them from rubbing on the aluminum angles. Used some heat shrink to
keep the tubes from creeping.
I made up a shelf to put on the bulkhead, but took it off when I
realized how hard it will be to adjust the shelf with the top skin on
and crawling around in the back. I was also a little concerned about
the autopilot motor and the Whelen strobes. I have had not seen any
problems with the magnetometer readings or alignment or stability with
my set up.
Shoot me an email if I can be of further help.
Dr. Fred.
40515
35 1/2 hrs. (why am I sitting here? I should be flying!)
John Gonzalez wrote:
> I made a bracket like the one someone posted a picture of in a prior
> email so that it mounts on the top portion of the bulhead aft of the
> battery compartment.
>
> After looking at the mounting directions in the manual, I am perplexed
> that AFS does not make a bracket which the magnometer it mounted on to
> allow fine tuning the direction of mounting the unit. A leveller to
> accounts for pitch, role and yaw. Guess I will have to fabricate a
> mounting plate that does this with fine tuning aluminum screws. Now
> using a laser leveller inside the plane from the EFIs screen to the
> magnometer, how will I manage that?
>
> Am I making this more complicated than it really
> is?????????????????????????????????????/
>
> JOhn G.
> *
>
>
> *
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Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20. They took a mediocre product
built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200. A MUCH better
product with better support.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
>
> Until Gorilla swallows them and triples the price and halves the support.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
>
>
> I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the GTX-330, it won't be a
> stretch to add on support for ADS-B TIS. And, if they offer XM or WSI Wx,
> it won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx. ADS-B comes with both, so getting
> them to offer it as an option may take some programming time, but I would
> expect to see it offered on any of the systems that actually invest the time
> and effort into their products.
> I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an alternative to the Gorilla,
> because the only thing keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and now
> that won't nearly be a problem. Anything over $5000 for a simple add-on
> though is just inexcuseable, and Garmin just had the market cornered. I
> think that will change.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
> > It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would
> > imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer
> > an input (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to
> > the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's
> > unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working on
> their too.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
> >>
> >> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
> >> *
> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> >> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> >> /contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing) |
To measure exothermic, just mix a batch in a cup and then use an IR
pistol thermometer from Harbor Freight to measure any temperature rise
over the pot life. Temperatures beyond the product range can create
adverse results.
The IR gun will be invaluable at tracking sparkplug fowling, hot axle
bearings and when not to insert your arm into the lower cowl near the
exhaust stacks which have not cooled enough.
John C.
From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven
DiNieri
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
After the last post about the relatively light clamping pressure and the
appearance of cracks, leads me to believe that perhaps the weld on
product may create some exothermic heat during cure. Isn't it possible
that the clamps may not be cracking the plexi from pressure but from the
concentration of heat. or the lack of even temps during cure? Now I
don't have any experience with weld on adhesive, but I'd be curious to
here if anyone thinks this is possible.
Steve DiNieri
iflyrv10.com
40208
From: John Gonzalez <mailto:indigoonlatigo@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: RV10-List: Re: Windows and Weld-on angst (Crazing)
It appears that the issue here is about clamping force/compression
distribution and both products have their drawbacks but that Hysol is
not being used in the same way on the 10 as on the Lancairs.
Better distribute the force with the Weld on. Again, I had no problems
on the rear windows, but they didn't need to bend to get them to fit.
John G.
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