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1. 07:24 AM - scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" (tomhanaway)
2. 07:52 AM - don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts (eagerlee)
3. 12:06 PM - Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (Emond)
4. 01:17 PM - Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (orchidman)
5. 01:19 PM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (Bill DeRouchey)
6. 01:59 PM - Re: ADS-B Navworx (Tim Olson)
7. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (Fred Williams, M.D.)
8. 04:55 PM - Re: Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (Jeff Carpenter)
9. 08:19 PM - Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts (AirMike)
10. 08:42 PM - Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (AirMike)
11. 08:45 PM - Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (AirMike)
12. 08:53 PM - Re: Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts (John Gonzalez)
13. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts (John Gonzalez)
14. 09:11 PM - Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate (bwestfall)
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| Subject: | scat tube flange-reduction from 2" to 1" |
Does anyone have a source or suggestion for a reduction flange so I can reduce
the size of heater hose tubing running in the tunnel?
I'd like to reduce to 1" from standard 2", especially for rear passenger seating.
Thanks,
Tom Hanaway
Boynton Beach, FL
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| Subject: | don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts |
Van's did some study/engineering/testing when they needed a material to
adhere plexi to fiberglass. They found that "Weld-on 10" did the job.
They got the same crazing that many of us are getting and after several
flying hours (1100?) the small cracks have NOT migrated from the edges
of the material into the visible area. I suspect that after the paint is
on and the masking is removed, we won't be able to see any defects on
the edges of our windows.
Paul Hahn
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
I would be interested to hear the pro's and cons for painting or plating of
steps and door hinges in particular on RV 10 builds ?
What are builders choosing to do and why?
Dave Emond
ZU- RVD
160 Hours flying time.
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
d_emond(at)mweb.co.za wrote:
> I would be interested to hear the pro's and cons for painting or plating of
> steps and door hinges in particular on RV 10 builds ?
Also Powder coated?
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Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
Instrument Panel, Fiberglass - SB
(N2GB registered)
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Tim-
After you have had time to digest the ADS-B setup from Navworx could you do
cument some system diagrams for everyones education? There is TIS, TIS-B, A
DS-B, etc. I would be interested in knowing how to implement this capabilit
y with a new panel and best approach to retrofit a GX430/GX330 combination.
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How does Navworx offering differ from Garmin in the system sense. Same data
rates? Interfaces?
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Is Navworx involved with WxWorx (whom produce the xm receivers).
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Thanks,
Bill
--- On Tue, 10/21/08, William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com> wrote:
From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Subject: RE: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
<wcurtis@nerv10.com>
Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20. They took a mediocre
product built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200. A MU
CH
better product with better support.
William
http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
-------- Original Message --------
<dlm46007@cox.net>
>
> Until Gorilla swallows them and triples the price and halves the support.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 AM
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
>
>
> I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the GTX-330, it
won't be a
> stretch to add on support for ADS-B TIS. And, if they offer XM or WSI Wx
,
> it won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx. ADS-B comes with both, so
getting
> them to offer it as an option may take some programming time, but I would
> expect to see it offered on any of the systems that actually invest the
time
> and effort into their products.
> I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an alternative to the
Gorilla,
> because the only thing keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and no
w
> that won't nearly be a problem. Anything over $5000 for a simple
add-on
> though is just inexcuseable, and Garmin just had the market cornered. I
> think that will change.
>
> Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> do not archive
>
>
> Jesse Saint wrote:
> > It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would
> > imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer
> > an input (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to
> > the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's
> > unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working
on
> their too.
> >
> > do not archive
> >
> > Jesse Saint
> > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > Fax: 815-377-3694
> >
> > On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
> >>
> >> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
> >> *
> >>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> >> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> >>
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> >>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> >> /contribution
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| Subject: | Re: ADS-B Navworx |
I can try to do some of that. I get the feeling that there is
a lot of "configurability" available, so it can work with
many systems. I don't know much about the technical specs on
the garmin, so can't give much there. I don't think NavWorx
is associated with WxWorx at all. Not 100% sure, but I haven't
seen anything to lead me to believe it is.
Will just report back after I know more. Hopefully this
poor weather forecast for the weekend doesn't change my plans.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Bill DeRouchey wrote:
> Tim-
> After you have had time to digest the ADS-B setup from Navworx could you
> document some system diagrams for everyones education? There is TIS,
> TIS-B, ADS-B, etc. I would be interested in knowing how to implement
> this capability with a new panel and best approach to retrofit a
> GX430/GX330 combination.
>
> How does Navworx offering differ from Garmin in the system sense. Same
> data rates? Interfaces?
>
> Is Navworx involved with WxWorx (whom produce the xm receivers).
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 10/21/08, William Curtis /<wcurtis@nerv10.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: William Curtis <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
> Subject: RE: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com, rv10-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 3:48 PM
>
> <wcurtis@nerv10.com>
>
> Well, I kind-a like what Gorilla did with the MX-20. They took a mediocre
> product built on MS Windows NT, improved it and called it the MX-200. A
MUCH
> better product with better support.
>
>
> William
> http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> <dlm46007@cox.net>
> >
> > Until Gorilla swallows them and triples the price and halves the support.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Olson
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:09 AM
> > To: rv10-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV10-List: ADS-B Navworx
> >
> >
> > I would think that if the unit can offer TIS with the GTX-330, it
> won't be a
> > stretch to add on support for ADS-B TIS. And, if they offer XM or WSI
Wx,
> > it won't be a stretch to add ADS-B Wx. ADS-B comes with both, so
> getting
> > them to offer it as an option may take some programming time, but I would
> > expect to see it offered on any of the systems that actually invest the
> time
> > and effort into their products.
> > I'm just thrilled that NavWorx came along as an alternative to the
> Gorilla,
> > because the only thing keeping me from ADS-B traffic was the cost, and
now
> > that won't nearly be a problem. Anything over $5000 for a simple
> add-on
> > though is just inexcuseable, and Garmin just had the market cornered.
I
> > think that will change.
> >
> > Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > Jesse Saint wrote:
> > > It's about time someone other than Garmin makes a unit. I would
> > > imagine before long most or all of the experimental units will offer
> > > an input (GRT, AFS, etc.). Chelton already has a way to connect to
> > > the Garmin unit, so it probably will be available sooner on Tim's
>
> > > unit, but you can bet that AFS and GRT are hungry to get it working
> on
> > their too.
> > >
> > > do not archive
> > >
> > > Jesse Saint
> > > Saint Aviation, Inc.
> > > jesse@saintaviation.com <mailto:jesse@saintaviation.com>
> > > Cell: 352-427-0285
> > > Fax: 815-377-3694
> > >
> > > On Oct 20, 2008, at 10:23 PM, David McNeill wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anybody heard what EFISes will display this data.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.navworx.com/press-releases.html
> > >> *
> > >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List">http://www.matron
> > >> ics.com/Navigator?RV10-List
> > >>
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> > >>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com
> > >> /contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
Edmond:
I had mine chromed. They look good. Cost a little bit more. Only
thing I would do (next time) is to step up to a AN4 bolt and use a
reamer to do the hole. 35 hrs and my steps are getting loose. I think
Deems was one of the first to suggest putting in a larger bolt. I think
it is part due to the size of the bolt and the difficulty in getting a
round hole with a normal drill bit. I will go back into the floor in the
near future and put in access plates and fix the problem.
Another reason to do the weight loss thing.
Fred Williams
40515.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
... and while you're at it... what are people doing to protect the
inside of the step from corrosion... if anything?
Jeff Carpenter
40304
On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:05 PM, Emond wrote:
>
> I would be interested to hear the pro's and cons for painting or
> plating of steps and door hinges in particular on RV 10 builds ?
>
> What are builders choosing to do and why?
>
>
> Dave Emond
> ZU- RVD
> 160 Hours flying time.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts |
I sure hope that you are correct. I cannot bear the thought or the cost of grinding
the window out and redoing it............
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
I FITTED my steps in a long time ago. I strongly urge builders to:
1. Nut plate the entire rear baggage / back seat area - OR
2. Put an inspection panel in above the steps - to repair or replace the steps
and check for corrosion on an ongoing basis
I put the inspection plate in above the step bolts. This allows you to clean corrosion
in the step area, upsize the step bolt as needed, inspect the area for
corrosion, add an additional bolt, and remove the step (during the build) so
that you do not have sore shins for the next year.
As a 1200 hr pilot my observation is that the RV10 has (to my view) three major
flaws. 1. An un-inspectable rear and front sub-floor area 2. permanently glued
and secured windows and 3. badly molded vertical opening doors. ------ At
least you can cure flaw #1 - do it......
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
Oh yea - while you are at it - run some flex conduit for future wiring and put
a nylon line or tent cord in the conduit
--------
OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts |
One way to approach this is to distribute the force of the spring clamps by first
putting down strips of 3/32 lite ply, the stuff you find in aircraft modelling
stores. Make the strips 18 to 24 inches long and use three clamps over that
area.
JOhn G.
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> Subject: RV10-List: Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:18:41 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> I sure hope that you are correct. I cannot bear the thought or the cost of grinding
the window out and redoing it............
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> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts |
To clearify, I am talking about using the plywood strips on the front windscreen,
not the side windows. On those I used pieces of popsicle sticks and clecoes
and had not crazing issues.
JOhn G.
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> Subject: RV10-List: Re: don't lose sight of these basic window weld-on facts
> From: Mikeabel@Pacbell.net
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:18:41 -0700
> To: rv10-list@matronics.com
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> I sure hope that you are correct. I cannot bear the thought or the cost of grinding
the window out and redoing it............
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> OSH '08 or Bust (busted) be there in "09
> Q/B Kit - wiring and FWF
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| Subject: | Re: RV10-Steel Bits - paint or plate |
I second or third or nth the access cover (keeps you from having to lose weight!)
Mike are you aware that your access cover is going to be under the side panel?
The side panel is supposed to be pop riveted through the floor which will put
a rivet or two right through your access panel.
I attached some pics of my install. I was pretty careful to make it accessible
after the side panel is installed. A side effect of that though is the bolt
cannot be dropped in from the top. You cannot tell from my pictures but I removed
the bolt and redrilled it horizontally. This will allow me to remove/insert
with my access plate slightly askew like it is.
-Ben
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